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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 00:44 GMT
#3
/in
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 01:21 GMT
#10
On November 12 2010 10:16 Nemesis wrote:
Hahaha, I would join this if I actually have time

what is the 55 other players that have no actual effect on the game?

Noobs to feed THE DONG!!!
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 02:36 GMT
#21
I want the dong!
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 03:03 GMT
#26
In an attempt to start off on the right foot and make amends for my boring preformances for town i will try to contribute as much as possible AND increase my spamming a lot. PLEASE if you notice me posting alot attribute it to me trying to be a more contributing but having fun town player and not being a spammer. honestly i tried this last game and i got killed night 1 and i was very confused about what kind of townie the mafia wants so i don't get killed immediately again
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 03:11 GMT
#32
On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
My personal player analysis from past games.
3. Artanis[Xp]
Gave me a retarted role in insane mafia.

Remember! Artanis Randomed the stuff!
##VOTE: Artanis
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 03:14 GMT
#36
All right guys, the scumbag blackmailers are going to make life difficult

We can't really rely on some sort of mass claim plan, as the blackmailers would just shed their skin and convert people.

Question.
Deconduo, did you balance this game with Qatol/anyone?
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 03:18 GMT
#38
Deconduo, are you sure this game is balanced?
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 03:22 GMT
#40
Ah kk, was just scared for a while.

All right to start. We should try taking down a scum straight at the start before they shed their skin. It's advantageous for the mafia to shed their skin fast.
For example, take this night. Say we mess up day 1 lynch. And then night kill goes through somehow. And both mafia shed their skin.

Bam 2v3 lylo.

We got to stop them fast.
And I propose we all roleclaim. Of course discuss the roleclaim before we actually do it.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 03:42 GMT
#48
Does mafia get a night 0 hit?
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 03:43 GMT
#49
Actually. Here's a rough outline of a plan.

Everyone roleclaims. This way we know what should happen.

Then the tracker claims, and the shrink protects the tracker.
The tracker then looks at conflicts see which roles are doubled up on, and then see if one of the people wasn't honest and visited someone else.

What do you think?
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 03:50 GMT
#52
On November 12 2010 12:48 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2010 12:43 LSB wrote:
Actually. Here's a rough outline of a plan.

Everyone roleclaims. This way we know what should happen.

Then the tracker claims, and the shrink protects the tracker.
The tracker then looks at conflicts see which roles are doubled up on, and then see if one of the people wasn't honest and visited someone else.

What do you think?

1.Eveeryone claims. Mafia will convert dt's/maybe even doctor.
2.What if they convert the tracker? We can't even know if its' the tracker they converted.
3.If its vanilla townie, o snap. We revealed everything for nothing.

Mass roleclaims are almost never good.

Mafia can't convert the tracker since the shrink will protect the traker.
Mafia converts shrink, its a waste basically
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 03:53 GMT
#54
Hmm... What if only the tracker claims, and the doctor and shrink protect the tracker. And the tracker goes around looking for mafia?
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 04:04 GMT
#56
We make up great plan.

What do you think of tracker claiming?
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 04:22 GMT
#64
Doctor, protect yourself night 1 if possible. Same thing as what deconduo said, but chance to prevent a hit

(or if we get a plan going, the tracker)
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 04:35 GMT
#68
All right, the biggist issue that people will have with the tracker is fear of a mafia fakeclaim. I'll take care of that shortly

One big issue is if the tracker gets converted, the mafia could easily claim tracker and waste a lynch. I've looked over the town, and I'm confident of their scumhunting abilities

I'm basically scared of mafia taking control of my role and I'd rather deny the mafia a role than allow them to use it.

So I'm going to claim tracker right now.
I am doing this because I want shrink protection, I'll track people that I'll pin down as possible scum.

But what if I'm mafia. Well doctor, you don't have to protect me. In fact, I'd discourage it since I'm claming to deny the mafia an easy lynch.

But what if there is a counterclaim? Well thats an easy way to expose a mafia. Great way to shut down a generating role.

TLDR: I am tracker. Shrink plz protect me
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 04:46 GMT
#71
Shrink and doctor claim, mafia can mindcontrol the shrink. No one is comfirmed except for the doctor.

It is a good idea on how to deal with counterclaims. It could be useful if mafia trys to counterclaim me
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 04:49 GMT
#76
Doctor doesn't protect against mafia mc.

Btw I claimed tracker
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 04:54 GMT
#78
I feel ignored
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 06:25 GMT
#85
Force the mafia to show their hand or let me have an easy time.

I don't expect the mafia to try to gambit and fake claim. If we did lots of planning, yeah the mafia is going to slip in and fake claim.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 14:42 GMT
#89
On November 12 2010 15:29 Pandain wrote:
Is there only one of each role?

Pandain, are you trying to see if you can gamebait tracker?
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 20:37 GMT
#97
Night action ideas then

Me: I'll track someone.
Doctor: Protect someone that you are absolutely sure is town. Otherwise you probably should hold back your action
Shrink: Protect me
Mafia: Roleclaim in thread.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 12 2010 21:02 GMT
#105
On November 13 2010 06:01 Glasse wrote:
i would of been amazing if i had known about the 3rd party stuff before i screw up my role

Blame Divinek for that then XD
Lunardestiny and Divinek had warning that something was going to happen at least
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 13 2010 01:13 GMT
#108
STORK WILL OVERCOME ALL!!!!
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 13 2010 13:31 GMT
#111
You guys convinced that I'm really the stork now?

No one has counterclaimed. It would be nice if the doctor could protect me. I wana be able to reveal my results the next day.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 00:20 GMT
#131
All right, I've confirmed someone, I won't be revealing who I confirmed unless the person comes under suspicion from the town. (I will breadcrumb the person later if needed).

Assuming artanis is right. That means that we have 3 confirmed townies. When then have 6 people not confirmed so far.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 03:36 GMT
#142
The problem is that lynching Coag is wayyyy to easy to pull off now. I'd rather not lynch him unless he gives us a good reason to.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 03:38 GMT
#143
On November 12 2010 14:06 Kenpachi wrote:
Sorry guys for being inactive for.. 2 hours
I really dont have much to input atm because the shrink doctor tracker is rather confusing ~_~..
Also, how would clues point towards the scum?

Show nested quote +
On November 12 2010 13:57 deconduo wrote:
On November 12 2010 13:54 LSB wrote:
I feel ignored

I forgot to mention that you have a secret role that makes your posts invisible to everyone else.

lol

Uhh what are you talking about when you mentioned "clues point towards the scum?"
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 03:54 GMT
#145
On November 14 2010 12:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2010 12:36 LSB wrote:
The problem is that lynching Coag is wayyyy to easy to pull off now. I'd rather not lynch him unless he gives us a good reason to.

The problem with waiting with suspects in this game is that if they're mafia and we let them live for a night, they can MC someone at night. If we get a good suspect, we HAVE to kill them the same day. Furthermore, I mostly just want coag to post.

I mean, is it such a good idea to be putting pressure on Coag? We just did it in Kingmaker, and he didn't respond well.
I am neutral on Coag's alignment
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 15:54 GMT
#152
All right, Kenpachi you have been completely absent.

Could you start being a bit more active? Maybe talk about a few things?

Thanks
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 16:19 GMT
#154
Glasse has play TWO WHOLE GAMES
He must be mad good at manipulating people

See look! He manipulated the town and mafia not to kill him

##VOTE: Glasse
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 16:19 GMT
#155
##Unvote: Glasse Because Pandain probably will think that I'm formally accusing him.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 16:20 GMT
#157
Come to think about it
Artanis[Xp] was probably hit because 1) He didn't have any relations to anyone. 2) He's probably regarded as a vet.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 16:33 GMT
#159
On November 15 2010 01:26 Glasse wrote:
thats what i thought as well. But then he could say that because he thinks we will think that way. I think that he thinks that we think think think think think........... *meow*


:3

WIFOM
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 18:54 GMT
#173
On November 15 2010 03:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 01:20 LSB wrote:
Come to think about it
Artanis[Xp] was probably hit because 1) He didn't have any relations to anyone. 2) He's probably regarded as a vet.


i would think i'd be the day 1 target

maybe mafia predicted i would be protected by a doctor or they're doing the same strategy I did in Micro Mafia Redemption where we intentionally avoided hitting vets so I wouldn't fall under suspicion for being the "last vet alive"

The difference between this game and Micro Mafia Redemption, was that you were basically the only vet who actively plays. This game there is plenty of vets.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 18:55 GMT
#175
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?


As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 18:55 GMT
#177
No BP do not claim
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 18:55 GMT
#178
BP DO NOT CLAIM I'll explain shortly
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 18:57 GMT
#180
On November 15 2010 03:45 KtheZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 03:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 15 2010 02:39 KtheZ wrote:
I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town.

he didn't say he was neither calm nor clam he said he was either calm or clam, he just doesn't know which one

big difference.

we can't just accept artanis as 100% town. vet is one of the best fakeclaims for a mafia, but something about his play doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me as mafia. he's at the bottom of my suspects list

really wish he refused to answer that question about his role pm. would have been such a good trap if he said he was calm and then some mafia said "well im clam"


You know DrH, I was thinking the same thing. It would have been so much more convenient if a mafia claimed clam or something.

But getting back on track:
Artanis stated that in his role pm calm/clam were interchangeable, since he did not know which one he was.
It is probably safe to assume the other vet also got the same PM.
Since there is another vet, if they remain silent, it is most likely a confirmation that what artanis said is correct, and that he really is vet.
If Artanis IS lying about his role, I would urge the other vet to tell us. However, while saying this, I also want to note that roleclaiming as the second vet may not be a good idea at this point. You would paint yourself as a prime target for MC.
Anyway, if artanis is correct about his role PM, vet stay silent.
If he is lying, sorry for the WIFOM, then real vet, you get to make a decision.

Cut the role PM stuff. Anyone who payed attention to the thread could figure that out


On November 12 2010 12:11 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2010 12:06 Pandain wrote:
1.Do mafia have to sacrifice during the night
2.Do they have a normal kp thing?
3.Does bodyguard still get converted?


Mafia can choose to not use their bribery skill. Its entirely optional. They have a normal 1KP between them, no matter how many mafia are alive. Being Calm or Clam does not make you immune to bribery.

In other random news, it appears that Calm and Clam can no longer even tell each other apart. They don't even know which one of them is which.
+ Show Spoiler +
The bullet proof role is not name dependant. This is to help mafia if they wish to claim bulletproof, they don't have to pick which of Clam/Calm they are.

Calm and Clam were informed that they do not know which one of them is which.


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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 18:58 GMT
#182
Gaahhh this game is too meta.

Sorry doctorh
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 19:02 GMT
#188
On November 15 2010 04:00 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 01:50 Pandain wrote:
In addition, LSB who is confirmed. Why should you tell? Obviously in case I'm missing something mull this over, but here's my thoughts:

If it's a townie, then you know he's confirmed because he didn't do anything.

If it's a doctor, then you would know he's confirmed because he didn't hit Artanis(assuming artanis is town, which shall be found out via the above.)

So there's no way to know who is.


LSB what about this.

In addition, I think you should track Dr. H tonight, and doctor and shrink both protect you.

The information I have is not useful now. Don't worry, I'll breadcrumb it before I die.

As for tracking, I have an idea of who to track.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 19:09 GMT
#196
On November 15 2010 04:08 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 04:06 Pandain wrote:
On November 15 2010 04:05 Kenpachi wrote:
On November 15 2010 04:05 Pandain wrote:
On November 15 2010 04:04 Kenpachi wrote:
On November 15 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:
On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:
On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?


As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later.



To Pandain:We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were.


We? We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim?

We being town.. assuming Artanis to be town..


So town fakes a possible roleclaim....why?

to bait a Mafia to take the fake roleclaim


But what if the vet's claim because they think they then found scum? Which was very likely.

wait what? im not understand this :S

Artainis Claims Clam.

Lets say LSB is a vet, I know that's bs because the Role PM doesn't tell who's who.
I'll claim that Artanis is full of BS. Although DoctorH knows that Artanis is probably telling the truth, this shows the mafia our other bulletproff.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 19:13 GMT
#199
DoctorH tries to bait mafia.
KtheZ helps.
LSB gets confused and yells at them that obviously Artanis is telling the truth.

Pandain then says the plan to bait mafia is dumb.
Kenpachi explains it
LSB says plan was dumb.

Or am I still confused.

Anyways, back on the topic of doctor H. I'm getting a neutral read, I want to hear what other people think.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 19:37 GMT
#205
Today, I see that the lynch is going to be either voting for DoctorH or No one.

I believe that the night actions can be as advantageous for the town as it is for the mafia. Of course I'm a bit biased.
However, I'm interested in why the mafia hasn't converted yet. I believe their going to try to save their conversions for the very end, and especially if they are able to take out the shrink.

Lets say there are 2 mafia left, and there is 4 town.
The mafia can hit someone (it might miss), but then if the mafia both convert at the same night, and there is no shrink. It's insta victory.

So we have to recognize that Lylo is at 6 people. We don't want to lynch until we are absolutely sure. Anything to slow down the killing is good.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 15 2010 00:32 GMT
#216
On November 15 2010 09:16 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 08:14 Hesmyrr wrote:
Lurker's comment:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 15 2010 04:57 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 04:51 KtheZ wrote:
On November 15 2010 04:23 deconduo wrote:
Just fyi, mafia have a copy of all role PMs.


Wait wtf, seriously?


Yep, to stop any 'my role PM says this so I'm legit' sort of thing.

Honestly I thought it was standard on all the semi-open setups like this =/


i dont get it are you calling kthez a lurker??

Hint, Hesmyrr isn't playing.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 15 2010 00:32 GMT
#217
##VOTE: No one
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 15 2010 01:24 GMT
#223
On November 12 2010 09:43 deconduo wrote:
Voting rules:
6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. You can however choose to ##Vote: No One. If 'No One' is the majority lynch, then there will be no lynch for that day phase and it will go to night time.

Read the rules!
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 15 2010 01:54 GMT
#226
In order for No-Lynch, does No-One have to gain the most votes, or a majority of votes?
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November 15 2010 02:06 GMT
#229
Okay, say we lynch coag. What information will we get?

Say we lynch Dr. H. What information will we get?
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November 15 2010 02:33 GMT
#234
On November 15 2010 11:12 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 11:06 LSB wrote:
Okay, say we lynch coag. What information will we get?

Say we lynch Dr. H. What information will we get?

1.One less person that could be mafia(if town)
2.Information on Dr. H
3.Information from his posts.
4.If he's mafia/town

Dr. H:
1.Information on Coag
2.Information on ARtanis
3.Information from whether he's scum/town
4.Possibly one less mafia.

So forth.

All right, can you elaborate on these posts and information? What's the ties between coag and Doctor H? What information is in Coag's posts?

I don't lynch for information. That's bad policy. Lynch because their scum.
If your going to do a formal accusation. Go ahead.
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November 15 2010 03:28 GMT
#244
On November 15 2010 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote:

I knew I would regret it.
Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy
But again, who else do you think is a good lynch?

well

you look like scum to me
coagulation is our worst player
i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember

I don't think Pandain is scum. He isn't doing the stupid "I'm going to take out Doctor H through lynching!". He did back off, so it's his strange idea of 'pressuring'. I don't think it's much different from his normal play.

Coag, we're all counting on better play from you this game. Can you put a bit more thought into your posts. Like understanding whether something is actually town favored or mafia favored? I don't want to resort to lynching you because you "the worst player"
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November 15 2010 03:47 GMT
#249
Regarding the lynch.

I believe that Pandain, Coagulation, Glasse, and Kenpachi are all playing like normal. The issue is whether or not we should peruse a policy lynch. Whether or not we should lynch people because they are acting like scum.

Things to consider. I can track one of the four people mentioned. That could verify a player, one way for us to doge using a policy lynch.

Normally I'd suggest against a policy lynch. However, there have been no major 'slipups' day 1. Except for Pandain, but that's normal for him.
If we are going to actually go for a policy lynch, I am against policy lynching Pandain and Coagulation
Pandain actually tries to do stuff, and he has moments.
I know/think that Coag actually tries, so I'd rather not lynch him. Addressed to Coag: if you want to get better, maybe you can bounce ideas off of someone else who isn't playing the game?
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November 15 2010 03:51 GMT
#252
On November 15 2010 12:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Playing like "normal" doesn't mean you can't be scum

I feel Pandain is playing like scum. I feel that Glasse isn't playing like normal. There is no "normal" for Glasse because there is no meta read on him whatsoever

Yes, I know that playing like 'normal' doesn't mean that they are town.
What I'm saying is that normal analysis isn't going to apply to people who don't play normally.
I could never read people like Divinek/Bill Murray, because they both seemed scummy to me all the time.

As for Glasse, I'd be willing to lynch him, because to him, playing like normal means to make cat sounds and not much else.
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November 15 2010 03:54 GMT
#253
Oh yeah.

Don't you think if Coagulation was mafia, his partner would have forced him to convert someone else day one?
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November 15 2010 21:07 GMT
#294
I'd rather not lynch Kenpachi without a chance for him to roleclaim. It would really suck if we lost an important role.
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November 15 2010 21:11 GMT
#296
Na, I went through his posts, he sounds normal. Not any dumb mafia bandwagon that he easily could pull off on DoctorH.
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November 15 2010 21:23 GMT
#298
WTF. Lynching for information?
Didn't I already tell you that was a stupid idea?
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November 15 2010 21:48 GMT
#305
All right, I went through Youngminii's post, and his main point was "No Lynch is good"

##vote Youngminii
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November 15 2010 21:48 GMT
#306
Whoops I read that wrong

##unvote Youngminii
##vote: No one

I'll go back and take a closer look then
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November 15 2010 21:54 GMT
#309
All right. Youngminii's attack on DoctorH seems oftly... forced. He goes and falls back on Mafiascum stuff rather than actually trying to come up with actual analysis (Most of the time)

Unvote
Vote Youngminii
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November 15 2010 22:27 GMT
#325
Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive.
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November 15 2010 23:28 GMT
#334
I'd rather not have my brain rearragned thankyouverymuch
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November 16 2010 01:13 GMT
#338
On November 16 2010 10:10 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam.


Yea, because obviously me trying to get him lynched hes my teamate

Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 07:27 LSB wrote:
Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive.


i can start spamming instead of posting constructive comments every once in a while if you want, i thought people were mad at my super cat powers in insane mafia...

i just don't feel like letting everyone know my thoughts on EVERYTHING all the time...

if it bothers you so much i'll do it

ummm. Just saying. Theres a difference in saying "I'm going to only talk about the important things." and "I'm not going to talk about anything at all"
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November 16 2010 01:22 GMT
#340
What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument?
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November 17 2010 14:33 GMT
#365
Last night Kenpachi visited Artanis and Pandain.

Sorry man, but you gotta go

##Vote: Pandain
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November 17 2010 19:32 GMT
#381
Okay this is going to be extremely tricky.

Night one I tracked Pandain to myself. That means that he was either doctor or shrink

There are 5 people left
1. Tracker
2. Doctor/shrink
3. Bulletproof
4. Mafia
5. Pandain (Mafia)

So if we take out Pandain this leaves one of two options

Option 1
1. Tracker
2. Doctor
3. Bulletproof
4. Mafia
Mafia will probably convert someone and hit someone. We just have to hope the mafia doesn't hit the doctor.

Option 2
1. Tracker
2. Shrink
3. Bulletproof
4. Mafia
The Mafia will probably kill me. That will leave three people left, and then everyone should role claim, leaving us a 50% chance of winning.

If someone can figure out a way to get the other mafia, that would be better, and then we save Pandain for tomorrow
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November 17 2010 20:39 GMT
#383
On November 18 2010 04:34 Glasse wrote:
we cant leave pandain alive, he could just sacrifice himself then we lose track of everything.

Na, he can't sacrifice himself again.

The thing I'm concerned about is that even if we kill Pandain, there is a very high chance the second mafia can win tonight.

What if we all roleclaim? This gives us a 50% chance of finding the second mafia and winning today.
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November 17 2010 21:04 GMT
#385
##Unvote

We got to find the 2nd mafia now, or else our chance of winning tanks.
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November 17 2010 21:17 GMT
#389
Atanis claimed bulletproof but died, that means that there is one more bulletproof left.

Can everyone please claim?
We need to take out the second mafia before he can use the mind control.
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November 17 2010 21:20 GMT
#392
Can the shrink protect himself??
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November 17 2010 21:22 GMT
#398
All right, KtheZ and Coag. Can you please claim?
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November 17 2010 21:23 GMT
#401
On November 18 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote:
On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote:
ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.

kthez or coag are mafia

And we caught the second mafia.



yea, kthez or coag

maybe even lsb... his claim could be fake :3 crap

No one counter claimed... So you know I'm tracker

You shrink protected me night 2, that means I'm not converted.

Lets get this all sorted out after KtheZ and Coagulation claims.
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November 17 2010 21:27 GMT
#404
Dude, your night 1 play was smart. As mafia would obviosly not try to convert me.

And Don't play attention to Pandain.

Coagulation and KtheZ can you please claim?
Please glasse, pandain, don't post untill they reply. Lets get all the cards down before we commit to an All In
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November 17 2010 21:30 GMT
#406
-maintains radio silence-
Keep a clean thread for the final day please
(I tracked Pandain)
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November 17 2010 21:43 GMT
#410
Pandain please let it be, I have a way of figuring this out

All I need is Coag and KtheZ to claim
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November 17 2010 22:09 GMT
#413
Okay good
KtheZ please Claim.
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November 18 2010 01:09 GMT
#416
Things I know.

LSB night two: Pandain visited me night 1
LSB night two: Kenpachi visited Artanis and Pandain

Mafia action night 1: Hit Artanis
Mafia action Night 2: Kill Artanis. Kenpachi converts Pandain.

Things that were claimed
Coagulation: Save LSB night 2
Pandain: Shrink, save self night 2
Glasse: Shrink, save LSB night 2
KtheZ: Bulletproof.

Case 1: Both Mafia used conversion last night.
Since game isn’t over, we know that there is only two mafia alive. (If there were 3 mafia, the game would be 3-3)
Since only 1 mafia died. That means the doctor saved one of the mafia.
Since only 1 person was converted. That means that the shrink stopped the conversion

This means that Pandain is telling the truth. So Glasse must be mafia.
This means that Coagulation must have saved Glasse. But then he would be lying, so Coagulation must be mafia.

Solution: Lynch Coagulation Day 2, Lynch Glasse Day 3.

Case 2: Only Kenpachi used conversion. Pandain is lying
However, Pandain visited me night one. That means that he is doctor.
Then Coag would be lying

Solution: Lynch Coagulation Day 2, Lynch Pandain Day 3.

Case 3: Only Kenpachi used conversion. Glasse is lying
If Pandain is telling the truth, Glasse is the only mafia left.
Solution 1: Lynch Glasse

However, take note, if we lynch someone else, there is still a chance that we can win. If we lynch Coagulation, we will enter the night with Pandain, LSB, KtheZ, and Glasse.
Pandain must then correctly guess who Glasse attempts to mind control.
Solution 2: Lynch Coagulation Day 2, Lynch Glasse Day 3. 33% of success

Case 4: Both Pandain and Glasse are lying
FML.
Too risky for mafia anyways

Conclusion
Lynching Coagulation is the safest course of path.
##Vote: Coagulation
(Coag, if your town, sorry man... but this is the safest course of action)
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November 18 2010 01:09 GMT
#417
(I wrote this up in lecture. If you guys want, I can scan the original doc =D)
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November 18 2010 01:30 GMT
#420
After Coag gets lynched. What happens?

Coag is Maifa: This mean that Pandain is also mafia. Lynch him day 3
Coag is Mafia Doctor: This mean that Glasse is also mafia. Lynch him day 3
Coag is Town Doctor: This mean that Glasse is mafia. Lynch him day 3. However, you probably won't get the chance to go into day 3. So Pandain has to be very lucky.
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November 18 2010 01:31 GMT
#422
FFF
UNVOTE KTHEZ
DECONDUO WILL END THE VOTE NOW
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November 18 2010 01:32 GMT
#424
READ MY STUFF.
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November 18 2010 01:32 GMT
#426
UNVOTE PANDAIN. YOUR GOING TO END THE DAY
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November 18 2010 01:32 GMT
#427
Ty
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November 18 2010 01:34 GMT
#429
Remember. There is a very good chance that today is Lylo. (Unless Pandain is telling the truth).

Therefore we HAVE to vote for a mafia.

I'll address your issues soon.
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November 18 2010 01:41 GMT
#435
Okay lets check out the possible cases.
Me and Glasse are Mafia-
This is not feasible at all. We would have sat on our votes for Pandain. You guys would have lost as we would have three votes for Pandain. Look, you voted for Pandain, and also Coagulation voted for Pandain.

Pandain and Coagulation are Mafia-
Well Coagulation bandwagoned Pandain pretty fast. If they were mafia, Coagulation would have let Pandain have his chance to try to squirm out of it

Glasse and Coagulation are Mafia-
I have yet to go through their posts, but they've both been anti-pandian

Glasse is sole mafia-
This is pretty likely. But if we're going to hang our hats on this, we better be 100% sure.

Remeber. This is lylo. You have to hang your hat on something. It's a balls to the walls momement. I'm asking you to trust me.
Think through your actions.

Remember. As town, we have to be united. We cannot afford a split vote. Split vote = Game over.

+ Show Spoiler +
Still not convinced I'm town?
If I was mafia I wouldn't have yelled at you for voting. The voted would be tied 2-2-1, and no lynch would have happened.
Town looses
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November 18 2010 01:44 GMT
#439
On November 18 2010 10:34 Pandain wrote:
Actually case 2 is impossible. Since Coag already claimed to have protected you, and not glasse, therefore both mafia couldn't have used conversion.

For case 2, I'm not lying, and I've basically shown that Glasse is lying(He hasn't even responded to that.).
For case 3, there is a 33% chance of winning if we lynch Coag. You're saying I have to accurately guess who he will mind control. Leaving it up to that should not be done. Lynching Glasse is safer in that Point.

So Really, it comes down to me vs. Glasse again. And I've already basically shown why Glasse is lying, and how he has already screwed up.

So your right, either me and coag are mafia, or glasse is the sole mafia remaining. And I agree with the dead Dr. H that its glasse/kenpachi.

Lynching Glasse is Actually better.

(I believe you mean Case 1). Remember, in case 1, coag is lying. So he could be lying about who he protected. He could have protected Glasse
Case 2: Glasse is telling me the same thing. I can't believe either of you. Put it flatly, you both have scummy town play
Case 3: (See case 2).


Remember, Case 1 is still there. Vote for Coagulation, its the best for the town
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November 18 2010 01:46 GMT
#441
Okay to clear things up:

Glasse: Thank you for voting Coagulation
KtheZ: If you doub me, see this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168344&currentpage=22#435
Coagulation: Sorry for lynching you, but as you can see, it's the best action for the town. If you would vote for yourself, that would be great.
Pandain: Remember case 1. Don't discount that.
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November 18 2010 01:49 GMT
#445
Okay, to explain Case 1 a bit more to you.

Case one
Night two:
Coagulation saves Glasse
Glasse converts Coagulation
Kenpachi converts Pandain
Mafia hits Artanis[Xp]

What happens:
Coagulation is converted. Glasse is still alive.

See?
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November 18 2010 01:52 GMT
#448
Pandain. If you want analysis. This is why.

Yesterday I defended two people. You and Coagulation. The only reason why Doctor H backed off from attacking you two was because I hinted that I tracked them.

The mafia knows this two. But for some reason, out of you and coagulation, they choose to try to convert you.
This is because Coagulation was mafia. The Mafia knew that I didn't immediately come to the town and say I found a mafia. So they knew that I tracked you. That's why they tried to convert you.
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November 18 2010 01:53 GMT
#450
On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote:
pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would
this is making me angry

ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash.
all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia...




rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more

You've faked claimed poorly.
1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is.
2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.)
3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.)

2. Actually there is every reason why not to protect me night 1.
The town plan was to protect me. So the mafia wouldn't hit me.
Therefore if glasse choose to protect someone else, he could basically be protecting two people.
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November 18 2010 01:54 GMT
#454
On November 18 2010 10:52 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 10:49 LSB wrote:
Okay, to explain Case 1 a bit more to you.

Case one
Night two:
Coagulation saves Glasse
Glasse converts Coagulation
Kenpachi converts Pandain
Mafia hits Artanis[Xp]

What happens:
Coagulation is converted. Glasse is still alive.

See?


Exactly. This assumes Glasse is mafia.
Case 3, assumes glasse is mafia.
The Subsection of case 3 (with a 33% win rate) is lynching coag first, when lynching glasse first is the better choice.

Subsection 2 is a 100% of loosing if we lynch coag first.

I'm not accepting that. Especially with your scummy analysis. I've even defended glasse a bit after facepalming at your accusations of him.
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November 18 2010 01:54 GMT
#455
On November 18 2010 10:54 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 10:52 Pandain wrote:
On November 18 2010 10:49 LSB wrote:
Okay, to explain Case 1 a bit more to you.

Case one
Night two:
Coagulation saves Glasse
Glasse converts Coagulation
Kenpachi converts Pandain
Mafia hits Artanis[Xp]

What happens:
Coagulation is converted. Glasse is still alive.

See?


Exactly. This assumes Glasse is mafia.
Case 3, assumes glasse is mafia.
The Subsection of case 3 (with a 33% win rate) is lynching coag first, when lynching glasse first is the better choice.

Subsection 2 is a 100% of loosing if we lynch coag first.

I'm not accepting that. Especially with your scummy analysis. I've even defended glasse a bit after facepalming at your accusations of him.

EDIT
Subsection 2 is a 100% of loosing if we lynch glasse first.

I'm not accepting that. Especially with your scummy analysis. I've even defended glasse a bit after facepalming at your accusations of him.
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November 18 2010 01:59 GMT
#461
On November 18 2010 10:53 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 10:52 LSB wrote:
Pandain. If you want analysis. This is why.

Yesterday I defended two people. You and Coagulation. The only reason why Doctor H backed off from attacking you two was because I hinted that I tracked them.

The mafia knows this two. But for some reason, out of you and coagulation, they choose to try to convert you.
This is because Coagulation was mafia. The Mafia knew that I didn't immediately come to the town and say I found a mafia. So they knew that I tracked you. That's why they tried to convert you.

Wait what. explain this more. I'm confused.

Okay. Remember, I said that I wasn't going to reveal who I tracked, unless they were going to be lynched by the town.

Doctor H, and Artanis caught on (We were playing pretty meta games over there, fishing for information).

You made some big mistakes day 1 trying to attack Doctor H. I defended you a bit, and Doctor H backed off. This was because I was hinting that you were tracked
Same reason why Doctor H and Artanis backed off of lynching Coagulation. I hinted that I tracked Coagulation.

Obviously I only tracked you. But I needed to make it look like I tracked Coagulation. After all, this was the most obvious of actions that could have happened. I should have tracked Coagulation since he "plays so badly" (Coag your a decent player, just everyone else thinks you suck for some reason. Just think a bit more)

So the mafia should have tried to convert Coag instead of you.

There are two reasons why you could have gotten converted.
1) They used both conversions in one day. Converting both you and Coag.
2) Coag was mafia. So they knew that I couldn't have tracked him (or else I would have supported and killed Coag by lynch). So they only converted you.

That's why I'm pretty sure that Coag is mafia.

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November 18 2010 02:01 GMT
#462
On November 18 2010 10:54 KtheZ wrote:
Holy shit my mind is exploding from reading this. Just wondering, when does this day end?

Basically, if you still think I'm mafia... well I'll try still convincing you

If you believe me. Vote for Coagulation.
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November 18 2010 02:05 GMT
#467
On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote:
I didn't catch you hinting you tracked me. Who says mafia did?

Playiing some mega mind games over there haha

Pandain, you have much to learn .

Check out DoctorH's recent game if you want to figure out meta and other stuff.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 18 2010 02:06 GMT
#470
##unvote
This vote will change to Coagulation. I want to hammer him, just to make sure no wierd jazz goes down.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 18 2010 02:08 GMT
#472
On November 18 2010 11:07 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 11:05 LSB wrote:
On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote:
I didn't catch you hinting you tracked me. Who says mafia did?

Playiing some mega mind games over there haha

Pandain, you have much to learn .

Check out DoctorH's recent game if you want to figure out meta and other stuff.


Do you really think Glasse/kenpachi would have thought of that?
Or even coag/kenpachi?

Glasse's play in Insane was perfect.
Town wouldn't lynch him
Mafia wouldn't waste a kill on him
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 18 2010 02:17 GMT
#479
This is Lylo
Divided town = death. We need to agree on one person to vote for.
If we don't agree. We lose due to a split vote.

There are three cases.
The common ground for all three cases is that if we don't vote Coagulation. There is a chance we instantly loose.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 18 2010 02:22 GMT
#483
On November 18 2010 11:19 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 11:17 LSB wrote:
This is Lylo
Divided town = death. We need to agree on one person to vote for.
If we don't agree. We lose due to a split vote.

There are three cases.
The common ground for all three cases is that if we don't vote Coagulation. There is a chance we instantly loose.

Well we need a vote count, first of all


Can we have a vote count?

Deconduo's afk. But I'll do it.

Pandain (1)
Coagulation

Glasse (1)
Pandain

Coagulation (1)
Glasse

Note Voting: LSB, KtheZ
Ties = No lynch
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 18 2010 02:27 GMT
#486
On November 18 2010 11:23 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 11:18 Pandain wrote:
I'll respond to this LSB. And sure, I'm even thinking about lynching coag.
Would you rather have a chance at instant victory and instant loss?
Or leave it to pure chance?

That's why I'm favoring just settling it between me and Glasse, and using analysis to decide between them, rather than the wifom I would have to use if we lynch Coag.


I've learned from TMMM2 that there are times to play safe, and times to play ballsy and risky.
And it's not yet a time to play riskly.

As for settling it between you and Glasse with analysis -.-, I don't trust your analysis. Neither do I trust Glasse's analysis if he does any of you.

The thing is, I'm setting up a situation where the mafia will have to play along. Any stragglers are to be looked at suspiciously.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 18 2010 02:33 GMT
#490
On November 18 2010 11:31 Pandain wrote:
Technically isn't it 50% chance(me and glasse) vs. 33% chance(chance I'll correctly guess who he'll mc)
:p

Given that each action is equally likely.

It's a 2/3+1/3*1/3= 7/9 = 78% chance if we lynch Coag
It's a 2/3= 66% chance if we lynch Glasse
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 18 2010 02:39 GMT
#492
Thank you
##Vote Coagulation

KtheZ, please vote for Coagulation. This way there will be no way for mafia to ninja vote someone.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 18 2010 03:47 GMT
#509
##unovte
I wana read coagulation for a moment, I'll decide later.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 18 2010 03:51 GMT
#513
On November 18 2010 12:46 KtheZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 12:42 Glasse wrote:
no, we are lynching him because pandain did an action on night 1. and only me(flash) pandain(medic) lsb(tracker) could leave. pandain was the medic and coag is just lying, now that pandain can't counter claim since its his teamate


Pandain fucking claimed flash. why the fuck are we lynching the only person who claimed medic.

All right. Lets assume Case 2. Pandain is converted, Coagulation is mafia.

Say we kill Pandain. However, Coagulation is the important one, he can convert someone. This gives us a 33% chance of winning the game.

It's a bit tricky what we have to do.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 18 2010 03:53 GMT
#514
On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well

Interesting.


On November 14 2010 03:05 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote:
i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3
doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well


No. Shrink has to protect LSB. Or at the very least, RNG between him and another player.
Here's why I'm a bit upset: LSB you shouldn't have claimed. Here's the scenario:
You check someone. You're also confirmed.

right now, there's a 1/3 chance you will find someone. Actualy, 2/9 chance it will actually lead to a mafia.
Right now I'm debating whether you should check someone in particular or do it randomly.

I'l lay out what we should do once this question is answered;

1.Is it like mafia has one person to send in kills? Aka, if LSB checked a mafia, there's only a 50% chance he would be able to be tracked? Or is it if LSB tracks a mafia, he automatically finds that it leads to the victim, regardless of who sent the kill?

Consistent
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 18 2010 04:03 GMT
#516
ik. That's what I'm pointing out. Just going through some stuff.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 18 2010 04:26 GMT
#520
On November 18 2010 13:12 Coagulation wrote:
LSB just curious but how does town even know what you claimed you tracked tonight is true.
what if kenpachi converted you and you yourself have given false tracking information?
i know thats what i would do if i was confirmed tracker and MC'd.
just trying to figure out how the fuck mafia is managing to hit me with this bullshit.

www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168344&currentpage=22#435

Anyways I'm going to vote for you as
1) Its the safest path
2) My analysis on why mafia targeted Pandain
3) Glasse's post on what the shrink should do. I also find it unlikely that Pandain would protect himself

##Vote: Coagulation
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 18 2010 13:59 GMT
#548
Deconduo you started the day too fast -.-
I didn't get a chance to say anything. last night I would have pointed to this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168344&currentpage=21#416
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168344&currentpage=21#420
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-18 17:06:47
November 18 2010 17:06 GMT
#552
I like this game, so I'll write a short death post. Haven't done this for a while.

I gave my all
My life, my blood, all for this game
And in one last call
Hope for everlasting fame.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-18 22:29:37
November 18 2010 22:22 GMT
#576
On November 19 2010 07:09 Pandain wrote:
LSB was wrong, and iirc later on we talked about the fact you could've converted coag and coag save you.


-snip-
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 18 2010 22:29 GMT
#579
Ignore me thing. sry.

(Seriously, that acronom sucks)
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 20 2010 05:38 GMT
#820
Dude usually lylo I just vote and AFK for a reason
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 20 2010 13:42 GMT
#827
glad that it worked out like that

Thanks for the game Deconduo!
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 20 2010 18:09 GMT
#830
On November 21 2010 00:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Glad I managed to soak up two hits. GJ LSB, Glasse and KtheZ!

Why couldn't you soak up three hits?
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 21 2010 03:26 GMT
#836
On November 21 2010 09:58 Glasse wrote:
800 posts for a 9 player game, thats a lot right?

You three made literally half of the posts in the game.

Don't look at me!
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 21 2010 17:51 GMT
#839
On November 22 2010 00:54 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2010 10:01 kitaman27 wrote:
Congrats Glasse and Kthez! You guys finally broke the 7+ game mafia win streak :o

im on a 3 game losing streak -_-.. IM A FAILURE D:
well i should partake in the games more so i blame myself even more

Hey! This ended my 4 game losing streak!

If your following in my footsteps, you have 1 more lose to go. Then you can win!
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-21 17:57:34
November 21 2010 17:54 GMT
#840
-double post-
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 21 2010 17:57 GMT
#841
Oh, and I would like to thank Coag for committing suicide in face of KtheZ's epic fail vote.
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