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On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later. To Pandain: We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were.
We? We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim?
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On November 15 2010 04:04 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later. To Pandain: We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were. We? We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim? We being town.. assuming Artanis to be town..
So town fakes a possible roleclaim....why?
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On November 15 2010 04:05 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:05 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 04:04 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later. To Pandain: We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were. We? We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim? We being town.. assuming Artanis to be town.. So town fakes a possible roleclaim....why? to bait a Mafia to take the fake roleclaim
But what if the vet's claim because they think they then found scum? Which was very likely.
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But I guess I reread your post. And I guess the "we" might fit. However, it is slightly open for interpetation, but I guess I'll let it slide. Gosh I'll look silly if you are mafia.
Going forward though, the flaw in the plan might still be important.
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Alright, Artanis claims clam. Then "we" claim calm. Now, the real Calm's/clam's think they might have just found a couple scum(stupid at least.) So they would reveal that they were lying.
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On November 15 2010 03:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm surprised I didn't get converted, moreso than shot. But I provided two reasons why they might not have targeted to me. Why wouldn't the mafia think medics would protect me? Who else would the doctor protect lol and I already said, it is possible mafia don't target vets. particularly if one of the 2 mafia is a vet, not targeting the other vet in the game will keep suspicion off of him and then mafia can bandwagon me, naw sayin? that's how I tried to get brownbear or whatever in micro mafia. i have no idea why you think its unlikely a doctor would protect me lol
One of your reasons was they might be doing the thing where they don't target vets so, like your example game, you don't get under suscipioiini. The other one was that it could lead to wifom about "why are you alive." I think the more logical option is just to take you out and be safe.
Why wouldn't the doctors protect LSB, lol. Would be pointless for him to track someone and then die.
But it's mainly besides the point if a doctor protect you, the point is you didn't get shot/converted, yet Artanis did.
i believed artanis claim, i was hoping mafia would bandwagon the shit out of him trying to make his claim look fake, that's what i meant when i was talking to kthez
Why would they be so rash?
anyway about pressure being a bad thing. coagulation is bad at this game. if he is town pressuring him will just make him look bad, if he is mafia pressuring him will make him look equally bad. the best bet with him if he's mafia is that he'll be really transparent and defend some mafia buddy in a super obvious way
So we should never pressure coagulation? And again, if he's mafia, I'm pretty sure he's being coached from his previous mistakes.
I was just going to say how pressuring inactive players with votes can be good as long as it doesn't become a deathwagon
Your not doing anything though
as far as me not scumhunting sure I am. i'm reading everyones post and thinking. i'm not gonna spam the thread with FoS's on everyone who says something mildly dumb or suspicious otherwise I'd be FoS'ing all the time lol. i decided my biggest mistake as town in insane mafia was posting too much and thinking too little.
Well you are spamming the thread "tru", "he was good at both games imo" and so forth. So your just not going to spam when its actually relevant? The point is your spamming, but not with real info.
and i wasn't analysing artanis really. you said "i don't like how you're saying he isn't confirmed" but he fucking isn't lol. the other bulletproof shouldn't claim, this narrows mafia targets down way too much, the whole purpose of a bulletproof role is you goad the mafia into shooting you. sure if the other one claims the same thing it "confirms" artanis but then we just lose the whole point of the role, don't do it
Well now you say he should claim. And in all liklihood he is confirmed. I would say your right, he's not because he doesn't know whether he's clam, calm, but since you never brought it up I will stand by this point.
now as far as not saying "i think this person is 100% townie" here's why. if I say and convince everyone, say, Kenpachi is definiiiiitely town. Mafia just won't even bandwagon them. If I hold my tongue and wait to see if mafia pressure him with bullshit then I can come out and hopefully cut through their bullshit and catch a mafia. we all know who we think is town, it doesn't limit discussion, it's a pointless discussion in the first place imo
Good, they will have to find other people. And we'll have more general info. For example, if a more expierenced player is like "Hey, this guy is obviously town!" then that's useful to share with less skilled players. And it's definitely not pointless since you've already said you don't think artanis is red.
you can feel free to disagree but I want to a play a game where the mafia makes mistakes, the more we tell them the less room for that there is. artanis claiming was a mistake, let's not do additional damage by having the other BP roleclaim even if its to do something like confirm
artanis
and aren't you saying now we should have him claim.
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Again, right now the thing you could do the most to help is start contributing via analysis or somethign else. Cause right now it's not one main thing, its the fact that you just don't seem to really care like you do when your town(Insane mafia.)
Right now though I still think LSB should check you.
So Dr. H, what are your thoughts right now?
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On November 15 2010 10:54 LSB wrote:
In order for No-Lynch, does No-One have to gain the most votes, or a majority of votes?
It says majority.
Also right now I am against not lynching.
Why?
Right now lynching will provide us information. Not lynching is like basically just allowing mafia to snipe one of us of, without us getting anything in return. Therefore, by not lynching, it's like we basically tell mafia "Hey! Have a free turn!" I think lynching unsure is better than not lynching. This may be controversial, but this is what I'm thinking right now.
I'm either for lynching Dr. H or one of the other inactive-like people (kenpachi, coag, i'll have to see more.)
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On November 15 2010 11:06 LSB wrote:
Okay, say we lynch coag. What information will we get?
Say we lynch Dr. H. What information will we get?
1.One less person that could be mafia(if town)
2.Information on Dr. H
3.Information from his posts.
4.If he's mafia/town
Dr. H:
1.Information on Coag
2.Information on ARtanis
3.Information from whether he's scum/town
4.Possibly one less mafia.
So forth.
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On November 15 2010 11:33 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 11:12 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 11:06 LSB wrote:
Okay, say we lynch coag. What information will we get?
Say we lynch Dr. H. What information will we get? 1.One less person that could be mafia(if town) 2.Information on Dr. H 3.Information from his posts. 4.If he's mafia/town Dr. H: 1.Information on Coag 2.Information on ARtanis 3.Information from whether he's scum/town 4.Possibly one less mafia. So forth. All right, can you elaborate on these posts and information? What's the ties between coag and Doctor H? What information is in Coag's posts? I don't lynch for information. That's bad policy. Lynch because their scum. If your going to do a formal accusation. Go ahead.
Coag-Dr. H: Dr. H came out of the blue with his first real post about how we shouldn't go into pressuring coag because nothing will come out of it. In addition, it is here where he contradicted himself with the whole "pressure" thing. Information on coag's posts, I admit there are not much except what can be gleamed from Dr. H.
Which is why I think Dr. H would be the better lynch.
I'm saying lynching, even if for information, is usually better than not lynching at all. Obviously we shouldn't prize someone as a lynch because of the information offered, but it is proof that it is better to lynch than to not.
Why do you want to not lynch? Again, all it will do is give mafia a free turn.
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Again, lynching for information applies almost soley to the debate as to whether to lynch or not to lynch. In no way does it apply to you. I said that because people suddenly decided to do "no vote" which I felt was stupid because lynches do offer information, and are better than not lynching BECAUSE they offer information as well as the fact it's basically just giving mafia a free turn if we don't lynch.
I agree you offer more information on coag than artanis, but again, that's besides the point.
I'm not saying to lynch you because of information. I'm saying to lynch you because you have not been contributing like you usually do(albeit there is a slight chance you are just trying to stay in shadows until BAM), you came out of the blue to support coag(thereby contradicting your earlier "don't be afraid to pressure someone.). Yet even that has a reason.
I'm honestly not sure whether to lynch you, but you strike out to me. Unless someone brings someone else up I'll probably stick with you. But again, you don't strike me as "OMG THIS GUY IS 100% SCUM" but rather "Well...this is my best bet."
Albeit I do agree I need to go through mafia boot camp :p
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I knew I would regret it.
Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy
But again, who else do you think is a good lynch?
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##Unvote Dr. H
I just hope you really aren't mafia haha.
Hmm.... I'll wait for more people talking before voting again.
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Alright, I'm going to go with Kenpachi.
An analysis of Kenpachi(Hopefully this will be up to dr. h's standards :p)
Summary:
Kenpachi seems to me to be playing the "lurking" mafia. He lurks, and then tries to make excuses for this when really it just seems like he's trying to explain away an inherent guilt(mafia.) He supported the no lynch, which is very anti town since it gives mafia a free turn. And his posts have been devoid of content save a soft defense/not defense of youngminii. Many of his posts have been questions, some have been clarifications, but nearly none have been real contributions. Therefore I am for lynching Kenpachi, since at the very least he's not really contributing, and also dr. h seems to me to have have a good enough defense.
His posts:
On November 12 2010 14:06 Kenpachi wrote:Sorry guys for being inactive for.. 2 hours I really dont have much to input atm because the shrink doctor tracker is rather confusing ~_~.. Also, how would clues point towards the scum? Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 13:57 deconduo wrote:On November 12 2010 13:54 LSB wrote:I feel ignored I forgot to mention that you have a secret role that makes your posts invisible to everyone else. lol
First post, apologizes for not talking for two hours(why? Perhaps this is sarcasm?)
Apologizes for not contributing, yet doesn't try to understand, instead asking other irrelevant questions. Why is this? It just doesn't make sense to me to say your not going to contribute because you don't understand something, then ask unrelated questions.
On November 14 2010 08:01 Kenpachi wrote:
lol wow ~_~ i really dont wanna lurk but there isnt much to say at this point because nothing happened overnight..
I remember reading over Ver's guide an important tell from mafia, and perhaps this is relevant. Ver said scum usually feel inherently guilty, and therefore they have to prove something. Now, what is this post doing? All it's doing is saying "sorry I'm lurking." Why would he have to explain himself unless he was suscipcious of being called mafia, and this post is just really contentless.
On November 15 2010 02:56 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2010 19:01 Coagulation wrote:I think right now im most suspicious of youngminii On November 14 2010 11:00 youngminii wrote:
Not much to post about.. Perhaps we should just do random votes and get the ball rolling, instead of trying to figure out a complicated plan. This post just seems anti town. who would want town to lynch randomly and not plan? also worth noticing that glass appears to be trying to fly under the radar I somewhat agree but hes just suggesting it. Hes not giving much support to it so it was probably to generate ideas. Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 02:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 15 2010 01:47 Pandain wrote:
So here: Artanis, since it doesn't matter, are you calm or clam. then if someone counter claims, we caught ya'. We aren't told in the role PM if we're calm or clam. It says you don't remember which one you are. I presume this is done to give mafia a chance to roleclaim. How would we resolve if mafia counterclaims as the third clam?
Doesn't really offer anything, just soft reasons. In my opinion it is usually common for scum just to go semi lurkish, while giving soft-reasoning paragraphs devoid of hard opinions in order to appear active. This is why I'm really starting to doubt whether both YM and DR. H are scum, and think they might be both town. This guy is just saying "I somewhat agree...but then again I don't(give reasons that sound like even he isn't sure.)
On November 15 2010 02:57 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 02:39 KtheZ wrote:
I think it is probably safe to say artanis really is a vet; He seems to have a legit role pm.
He said that he is neither calm nor clam, but nowhere in the rules said that the vet role would be both calm/clam.
Unless another vet comes and refutes artanis's role pm claim (because it is safe to assume the other vet got the same pm), then we can say artanis really is town. oh i missed this post
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On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later. DrH has been putting less feedback in this game but i think his clam calm plan was brilliant. To Pandain:We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were.
Again, maybe this is just me, but the way this is worded just sounds suscipcious to me. I mean, "WE could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim?" For one, how can town fake a possible roleclaim. Maybe Kenpachi didn't use the right words or something but this is striking out to me.
Furthormore, I've already shown how this theoretical plan was bad anyway, as it could lead to a real clam/calm claiming.
On November 15 2010 04:04 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2010 04:01 Kenpachi wrote:On November 15 2010 03:55 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi what do you think of DoctorH? Can you address Pandain's accusation against him?
As for my analysis, I feel dumb for missing out on a post, so I'll do my analysis later. To Pandain: We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim if Artanis claimed Clam, Mafia could have tried to cause confusion and claim Calm and fall for the clam claim. the clam bros know that the role didnt specify which clam they were. We? We could have possibly faked a possible roleclaim? We being town.. assuming Artanis to be town..
spoilering this because it is getting a bit out there, only slightly possible
+ Show Spoiler +again, along with the previous "we" it just sounds like kenpachi, dr. h, and possiblye artanis all knew what was going on, that this was a mega scheme to hurt mafia. Which just makes me suscipcious because there are no pms. But again, this is a weak reason.
On November 15 2010 09:17 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 09:16 Coagulation wrote:On November 15 2010 08:14 Hesmyrr wrote:Lurker's comment:+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2010 04:57 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 04:51 KtheZ wrote:On November 15 2010 04:23 deconduo wrote:
Just fyi, mafia have a copy of all role PMs. Wait wtf, seriously? Yep, to stop any 'my role PM says this so I'm legit' sort of thing. Honestly I thought it was standard on all the semi-open setups like this =/ i dont get it are you calling kthez a lurker?? no hes saying that everyone should know the role pms before the game in games like this
blah.
On November 15 2010 09:46 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote: no one
Its too hard to tell if someones mafia or not atm
Weak, I've already shown that no lynching is worse than not lynching at all. And yet he doesn't respond to that at all.
On November 15 2010 11:24 Kenpachi wrote:
im curious to know how lynching DocH can give info on Coag and Artanis?
question.
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LSB CHANGE TO KENPACHI.
You know no lynch only hurts town.
better to take a chance at the very least.
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On November 16 2010 06:07 LSB wrote:
I'd rather not lynch Kenpachi without a chance for him to roleclaim. It would really suck if we lost an important role.
thats a horrible reason.
Okay, there's a 1/9 chance he's a doctor. There's an 8/9 chance he's not, and I think he's scum.
You know its better to lynch than to not, screw this "he could be important!" crud.
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Why you should lynch Kenpachi:
First of all, the question of whether we should lynch at all is brought up. This answer is a resounding yes, and you voting "No lynch" is very bad for town. All it is doing is giving the mafia a free turn without any benefits towards town. Even if kenpachi turns innocent it will be better than not lynching since we will have information. And a good chance, in my eyes, of lynching scum.
If you read my analysis, Kenpachi has at the very least not pro town. He has hardly contributed, asked more questions than gave statements, and his only real thing is a soft defense of youngminii, which wasn't even really a defense. Right now Kenpachi is a typical mafia lurker, even giving excuses for him lurking when he didn't have to. What kind of townie says "sorry for lurking."?
Lynch Kenpachi
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