Don't lose yo village! - Page 11

On November 20 2010 12:29 KtheZ wrote:
Rather than relying on your epic debate skills, I instead decided to search the topic and look around at your behaviors.
I don't trust your debate too much, although I do put it into consideration.
The reason I don't really enjoy the debate you guys had is that it was far, FAR too hard to follow. As much as I enjoy reading these forums, reading your debate and then having to search for a huge amount of posts really takes away from the analysis that I can produce.
That was where I proved everything...
These are several pro town posts glasse has had that you ignored.


In this quote, he is asking for deconduo for the town to have the role pm list also, instead of just mafia. This is a pro-town action.
Again, not that pro town since it was already in the op

Warns town against no-lynch daytimes, in concurrence with Dr.H (who was town) and other people. Seems pro-town, but mafia also advocated this, so this i'll call neutral.
Neutral indeed.

Another thing I have to note:

Glasse voted kenpachi when there were 3 people voting No-vote, ans 0 votes weres on youngminii.
However, youngminii actually was lynched.
Glasse voted for kenpachi when there was no definitive evidence pointing at anyone, but then a bandwagon formed out of nowhere and hit youngminii. Glasse's vote DID matter, in fact. Him voting a mafia that early was a pro-town indication, since no mafia would vote for themselves when NOBODY HAD VOTED FOR ANYONE ELSE YET. I dont understand how you can call his vote irrelevant, when it could have made a HUGE difference, because he was right.
Disagree entirely. not only could he not have foreseen that(nor anybody), but kenpachi was never ever tied for the lead. In addition, glasse was afk for that whole portion. going further, I already explained that him voting for kenpachi does not mean anything since he was not in danger. I however, said coag was certainly mafia before he was even killed!
In fact, this then happened

And kenpachi was one of the leading figures for lynch, yet once again somehow youngminii was lynched with 1 vote. What I'm trying to say is that Glasse voting for kenpachi actually IS indicative of his pro-town status, and it actually DID matter in the lynch process. Had glasse voted kenpachi at the last second, then I would have considered it a bus, but since he voted him in the very beginning, it is not.
See above, its not

End result:



And this is what bugs me the most. You said that from this



He was obviously pro-mafia, but if you would read maybe 1 or 2 posts after:

He DID contribute.
Exactly! Isn't it obvious. He says he doesn't have anything important to say, and then lays suspicion on doctor h, and later says kenpachi should've been shot(yet never said anything about him during that critical time! Very anti town. Note I DID account for both of these posts, they were talked about during the debate -.-.
I really urge you to read those, please.

This MAY be continued.

On November 20 2010 12:47 Glasse wrote:
a copy of role pms were not in the op

i voted kenpachi and then said voting for no one was bad, expecting the people that voted for it to change. there was a considerable chance they would vote for him because he's a lurker, and people like to do that

i said i didnt have anything important to say, then i said something because i was asked what i thought about drh by someone(forgot who), not because i had to say it.

kenpachi is dead btw, i doubt he'd go through about 200 posts of arguments

On November 20 2010 12:55 Coagulation wrote:



kenpachi is dead

On November 20 2010 13:00 Glasse wrote:



i didnt say i forsaw everything, i just hoped people would at least vote something else than no lynch, which could have been dangerous since i put kenpachi on the map with 1 vote

i fail to see how i'm plainly scum. Honestly i just don't see it. I can see how your pressure play is though.

On November 20 2010 13:14 Glasse wrote:
do you even realize what you are saying right now?

On November 20 2010 13:23 Pandain wrote:
If KtheZ realizes your mafia, then even if he unvotes it'll be 1v1.
Dude, its not about winning or losing the game. It's about setting yourself in the future. It's called busing, it happens all the time.
you denying that just makes it all the more obvious.

KtheZ, I have one request of you. For now, unvote me, so I can vote glasse safely. Than I plead you, I beg of you, to actually read everything,and I know, I know somehow deep in my heart that you'll see my side. I don't care if it seems hopeless, I have faith, because I know I'm right. But right now, even if you do see, then you can't change the outcome. That's why I want you to unvote me, and finally, after thinking it through well, vote. But now it seems it'll just be impossible, so that's why I'm pleading you.