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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 08 2010 11:16 GMT
#11
/in
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 09 2010 02:31 GMT
#24
What does relic do?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 09 2010 02:32 GMT
#25
oh is relic just like an action?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 09 2010 02:50 GMT
#29
Alright, here's some of my thoughts right now.

Standards for a King:
1.King should not lynch anyone before 24 hours. Don't be impulsive, don't be stupid. Obviously you should in fact wait until last moment possible(but don't forget :p.) There's nothing worse I can imagine than having a king execute someone at the first second. :/
2.Calling/executing. Also should not be used,especially right now. I'm thinking we could save this towards late game. For example, if there's 2 town and one scum left, king can easily just execute both of them and win the game. With only 9 people, this isn't too impossible either.

Don't be too rash. Follow the majority, at least as a guideline. We should probably decide as a group when to use call/execute. Which reminds me:

Ace, does using execute AND Use: Excalibur mean you can get two kills in one day?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 09 2010 02:53 GMT
#32
On November 09 2010 11:51 LSB wrote:
Now as for the day 1 lynch.

A big problem in every mafia game is inactivity. I don't want another drag_ being able to squeak by with barely any posts. We should immediately show it is not okay to be inactive.

Inactive players hurt the town as they waste lynches down the road as the town will need to try to separate the mafia from the inactives.

We should therefore lynch an inactive day one. This will force the assassins to discuss and not be able to turtle, increasing the chance they will slip up.

The other options are to
A) Lynch a scummy person. Take a look at Team Micro Mafia II, they found both scums day 1
B) Use Merlin. This would be like an abstain. If there are no inactives and no one is scummy, it's a good idea to use Merlin
C) Use Excalibur. This is just random. I feel this is a waste of an action. We should focus on building a good town environment.

Right now we should be pressuring the inactives via voting. I agree, we should encourage EVERYONE to do take part in valuable discussion.

As soon as day starts, I'll vote someone, then once they talk enough, I'll vote someone else. We can talk about who REALLY to lynch later. Which is why I'm thinking for day1 to definitely wait out the whole 48 hours before lynching.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 09 2010 02:55 GMT
#35
On November 09 2010 11:53 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 11:50 Pandain wrote:
Alright, here's some of my thoughts right now.

Standards for a King:
1.King should not lynch anyone before 24 hours. Don't be impulsive, don't be stupid. Obviously you should in fact wait until last moment possible(but don't forget :p.) There's nothing worse I can imagine than having a king execute someone at the first second. :/
2.Calling/executing. Also should not be used,especially right now. I'm thinking we could save this towards late game. For example, if there's 2 town and one scum left, king can easily just execute both of them and win the game. With only 9 people, this isn't too impossible either.

Don't be too rash. Follow the majority, at least as a guideline. We should probably decide as a group when to use call/execute. Which reminds me:

Ace, does using execute AND Use: Excalibur mean you can get two kills in one day?

Firstly, the king should not have any autonomy at all. The town should decide what the king does.

Secondly, I don't think you understand what the king does. The king can only kill one person each round. He basically decides the lynch (like the mayor)

Thirdly, follow the majority as a rule. This way we can tell if the assassin is the king and just using his role to get an extra KP


I disagree, actually. I totally agree that he should follow the town, but sometimes you have to follow your gut. For the early days I highly agree that he should do what the town says, but just leaving that up to the town increases the possibility for scum to manipulate the whole thing. Now, if a king just does whatever he wants, is that suscipcious? Of course! However, leaving him a bit of room is a good thing imo.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 09 2010 03:00 GMT
#38
On November 09 2010 12:00 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2010 11:55 Pandain wrote:
On November 09 2010 11:53 LSB wrote:
On November 09 2010 11:50 Pandain wrote:
Alright, here's some of my thoughts right now.

Standards for a King:
1.King should not lynch anyone before 24 hours. Don't be impulsive, don't be stupid. Obviously you should in fact wait until last moment possible(but don't forget :p.) There's nothing worse I can imagine than having a king execute someone at the first second. :/
2.Calling/executing. Also should not be used,especially right now. I'm thinking we could save this towards late game. For example, if there's 2 town and one scum left, king can easily just execute both of them and win the game. With only 9 people, this isn't too impossible either.

Don't be too rash. Follow the majority, at least as a guideline. We should probably decide as a group when to use call/execute. Which reminds me:

Ace, does using execute AND Use: Excalibur mean you can get two kills in one day?

Firstly, the king should not have any autonomy at all. The town should decide what the king does.

Secondly, I don't think you understand what the king does. The king can only kill one person each round. He basically decides the lynch (like the mayor)

Thirdly, follow the majority as a rule. This way we can tell if the assassin is the king and just using his role to get an extra KP


I disagree, actually. I totally agree that he should follow the town, but sometimes you have to follow your gut. For the early days I highly agree that he should do what the town says, but just leaving that up to the town increases the possibility for scum to manipulate the whole thing. Now, if a king just does whatever he wants, is that suscipcious? Of course! However, leaving him a bit of room is a good thing imo.

Following your gut is an easy way for the Assassin to gain KP. It's easy for an assassin to go against the town and execute a townie because it 'went against his gut'. We would have no read on the king.

Think of it this way.
Your way:
Townie is king and goes against his gut: High chance of killing town
Assassin is king: Easy extra KP

There is no benefit besides an easier job for the Assassin

Your afraid of the scum manipulating the results. This is public, so therefore if they start messing around, we'll be able to tell. However, if the scum is the king and manipulates the results, it's private, we won't be able to tell.

Lastly, remember. we only have 2 mislynches until lylo. We cannot let the scum to gain a hold of any of our lynchs


What do you mean, if the king manipulates the results?
From what I understand, he does every single one of his actions in thread.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 09 2010 03:04 GMT
#42
On November 09 2010 12:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Merlin should be used Day 1 if there are no good choices.


I actually agree. Even if Merline is going to be unverifiable at best, if we have no good choices might as well go with the merlin.

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 09 2010 03:10 GMT
#46
##Vote Brownbear
let's get talking
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 09 2010 03:43 GMT
#57
On November 09 2010 12:41 orgolove wrote:
Oh, I still agree that having the king be dependent on the town's decisions is the best course of action.


Yeah, it's not totally riskless for the reds to be chosen as a king. But the hero lynch also works against townie kings as well. Even if the reds don't get chosen as a king during the first two nights, they have two night kills to hit the hero. Plus, there's 2 days where they can try to manipulate the town into lynching a blue, who has a 1/7 and 1/5 chance, respectively of being a hero. Given this, I think there's better than 1/2 odds that the hero will be revealed at the end of 2nd night.


And I don't get it. Pandain, wtf? You just start off right away by randomly voting against a player with no basis? At best, you're bringing suspicion onto yourself as a red who doesn't care who dies as it's not one of your faction. At worst it's going to bite you in the ass if you indeed are red given the many common tells between voting and posting patterns.


Did you not read my statement? I'm voting someone until they talk enough, then I'll change it.
I'm doing this to get everyone talking, as anyone actually voting someone is either 1.mafia or 2. stupid.
This is called pressure, not lynching.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 09 2010 03:44 GMT
#60
Speaking of, brownbear you've spoken enough.
Next!
##unvote
##vote Coag.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 09 2010 03:46 GMT
#63
On November 09 2010 12:45 LSB wrote:
Pandain. Can you shape up this game? Since this is micro mafia, I'd rather not want to waste a lynch killing a spammer for the sake of them confusing us.

Just a thought. Remember, the hero can claim if needed. This is crucial as the hero could be a good counter to an assassin king, and could make sure a townie king does not hit him. (The actual situation is going to be a bit more complex, but we should talk about that when it actually happens)


Pressuring, not lynching.
Everyone calm down :p
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 09 2010 03:49 GMT
#65
On November 09 2010 12:47 BrownBear wrote:
I think he wants you to start doing more than just pressure lynching - propose ideas, debate strategy, that kind of thing. Basically, do what others are doing.

I have earlier, but now I'm just watching day9 then going to bed. So I might as well stop posting :/
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 09 2010 20:11 GMT
#108
Are we not going to use merlin then? I mean, if we're not sure at all, doesn't 'merlin give us the best chance?

Of course, at the very least, wait for him to respond.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 09 2010 20:58 GMT
#113
On November 10 2010 05:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2010 05:47 BrownBear wrote:
Let's hear Coag defend himself before we go ahead and execute.

how can you defend being inactive and bad


1.You could wait for him to talk for one...
2.It's not just that about coag, by waiting longer we can have more time, having more people talk. More information=good.

@Lsb: How does merlin affect the # of mislynches?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 12 2010 06:32 GMT
#167
I feel like If I didn't bump this, no one would remember it and it would go down in oblivion. And I would know that, but just laugh to myself and bump it in a year for future laughs.

But we've got a game, so let's play
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 12 2010 13:43 GMT
#173
Mmm I just realized I might be actually into this game now that my evil deeds are done in Insane Liquidonia. So contribution time!

Some notes: I doubt orgolove is red, since why would he make himself linked to Dr. H when the night actions I would've assumed would already have been sent(past original time.) This could just be a whole wifom thing, but I doubt it.

We need to talk more. I need to talk more :p
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 12 2010 23:40 GMT
#179
Ya so day ends in 3 hours.
Perhaps we should discuss? I'm also starting to think it might be a scum king this round :/
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 13 2010 01:16 GMT
#183
I don't think Amber Light is neccesarily wrong. I mean, Dr. H supported Amber Light's idea and he was blue. And even I do somewhat. I agree it should be a guideline, and the king should outline his reasons why in thread he's going to do something, but just because he's saying the king doesn't have to follow the town's majority isn't bad.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 13 2010 21:28 GMT
#190
On November 14 2010 06:24 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2010 23:35 LSB wrote:
FOS: Brownbear
GRRR MAFIA BLAH BLAH GRRR



*cries*
One day, I shall be as persuasive as you one day.
One day....
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 14 2010 00:00 GMT
#199
On November 13 2010 10:16 Pandain wrote:
I don't think Amber Light is neccesarily wrong. I mean, Dr. H supported Amber Light's idea and he was blue. And even I do somewhat. I agree it should be a guideline, and the king should outline his reasons why in thread he's going to do something, but just because he's saying the king doesn't have to follow the town's majority isn't bad.


Basically this. Because he supported this isn't nearly a good enough reason to lynch someone.

##Vote Brownbear
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 14 2010 01:52 GMT
#202
Are you kidding me? Pressure voting is always good. Would you rather have people not talk at all? I always do this.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 14 2010 01:53 GMT
#203
As for merlin, I wasn't aware it counts as an action. I thought we could use it as well as an execution.
That's why I asked how merlin affect mislynches, because I was confused.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 14 2010 02:11 GMT
#206
Did you see my explanations?
I want to make sure I don't die
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 14 2010 17:38 GMT
#223
I definitely don't think we should lynch Hesmyrr. I mean, if we lynch Brownbear and he turns red, then definitely. Right now though Hesymrr did do his reasons for why he voted Amber, and did a whole bunch of analysis. I'll do an examination of BB later, as well as LSB.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 14 2010 18:54 GMT
#225
On November 15 2010 03:44 LSB wrote:
It's lylo tomorrow, and kingmaker, make me king if you want to kill Brownbear.


Shouldn't we discuss it first rather than just blindly lynching Brownbear? Just because Amber is innocent doesn't make Brownbear scum :/
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 15 2010 11:41 GMT
#236
##Execute Brownbear

diaeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 15 2010 23:24 GMT
#241
ace its not suspenseful if we already know what happens :p
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 15 2010 23:27 GMT
#243
On November 16 2010 08:26 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 08:24 Pandain wrote:
ace its not suspenseful if we already know what happens :p

Wait... So are you mafia???


That's such a harsh label...

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 15 2010 23:33 GMT
#248
Cubedin played well n.n
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 15 2010 23:40 GMT
#252
then easy to kill brownbear.

Although tbh it was over when i was selected king.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 15 2010 23:48 GMT
#253
awww I feel horrible now.
Brownbear was kingmaker, probably picked me because I said we should think it out first.

sorry brownbear
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