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BrownBear
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So for right now, we are just waiting for someone to be all "yo sup, I'm the king for today"? | ||
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I'm just saying, king should be using his judgement here. If town wants to kill a dude "for being inactive" but the dude has posted, should king go ahead and kill the dude? Not unless the king thinks he's actually an assassin, or the king himself is an assassin. Part of the awesome part of having a King is that the king reveals a lot about HIS role by how he acts. If we force him to be our puppet, that doesn't tell us much at all. Giving the kings a bit more leeway might actually make an Assassin-King work in our favor - we thrust him into the spotlight, make him more likely to screw up, and thus stand a better chance of catching him. I'm in favor of ADVISING the king, but not forcing him to follow our orders. Gives us more to work with. Also, whoever is the king should be held to a VERY HIGH standard of activity, for the same reason: we know they're king, but we want to know as much more about them as we can. | ||
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BrownBear
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So the Kingmaker knows who he chose as King. Obviously, we all want the king to claim in thread. Thus, stands to reason that a king who doesn't claim until he executes is basically scum. I'm trying to think if there's any merit to the Kingmaker claiming and posting who he chose as king in order to force the king out... obviously though, an Assassin King can delay with Excalibur/Merlin. Actually, question - does a king using Merlin/Excalibur mean he remains king next cycle, or is a new king chosen? | ||
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BrownBear
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On November 09 2010 16:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I agree. The king should not roleclaim. This way the mafia can not manipulate the king directly and he can participate in the town discussion without being pushed in a direction intentionally. Read my earlier post about why the king should roleclaim. | ||
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On November 10 2010 05:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: how can you defend being inactive and bad Because we don't want to lynch based off of JUST being inactive and bad? ----- Player 1: "Hey, Player 2 is inactive and terrible. I'm king. I'm going to kill him before the end of the day because of this." Players 3-9: "Well, Player 2 is inactive and bad. I guess I don't have any problems with killing him..." Player 1: "Awesome! EXECUTE PLAYER 2!!!" Player 2 flips green Player 1: "Well, shit. At least he was inactive and bad. Now, lets look at the posts today and analyze... wait... fuck." ----- That shit ain't gonna fly here. If no better option exists at or near the end of the day, go ahead and lynch Coag, but under no circumstances should you be executing people until the last possible minute. If anyone turns this into Bang Bang Mafia I will make it my personal goal to get them executed as soon as possible. | ||
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On November 09 2010 13:30 Coagulation wrote: so whos king? oh and bite me pandain. Coag's first post (of 2) this game. The "bite me Pandain" is in reference to Pandain trying to pressure-vote him. On November 09 2010 16:34 Coagulation wrote: the only ones that really "need to find out what the king is thinking" are the assassins. Coag's second post (of 2). This is kind of just blatantly wrong. Town absolutely needs to figure out what the king's thinking and logic is. Kingmaker is not infallible, an Assassin-King could absolutely be chosen, and it's town's duty to not only advise the king on a scummy player to lynch, but also attempt to figure out the King's role. If the king is acting scummy/not agreeing with town/being evasive/executing without fully discussing why or explaining himself... chances are he's got something to hide. The thing I can't tell here is whether this is Coag deliberately trying to mislead town, or whether it's just Coag being an idiot. Analysis is hard when the player doesn't give you anything to analyze. | ||
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BrownBear
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Jesus. I have to admit, though, LSB has been kinda making me wonder all game... he's not playing the way I've come to expect out of him. Not enough to make me say "YO LETS KILL DIS MOTHAFUCKA" but enough to worry about him. A lot. | ||
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BrownBear
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On November 10 2010 07:47 Coagulation wrote: if scum is king then there is nothing we can do about making his decision help town anyway regardless. we will see who he is after the lynch right? at that point he would probably be in alot of trouble if he didnt use his head and play pro town. its a double edged sword but i think the benefits outweigh the cons. Are you kidding? If we scumhunt properly, we can get a scum king to work for us, or out himself as scum as well. It's a win-win situation. | ||
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BrownBear
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Honestly, I'd go with Hesmyrr or LSB over Coag. | ||
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Either way, I'll look at his posts later. Tired now. | ||
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On November 13 2010 22:30 LSB wrote: All right. Orgolove, do you have anything else against Amber[LighT] besides that he voted for the voting system? Because in a nutshell that's all you said. Speaking of while. Don't let Brownbear be unnoticed. He have been dodging all day and hasn't be responding or contributing at all ##VOTE: Brownbear Apologies, I've been busy as fuck. I'll be writing up a defense post later. | ||
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On November 12 2010 23:35 LSB wrote: FOS: Brownbear GRRR MAFIA BLAH BLAH GRRR | ||
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BrownBear
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So far, I don't see a logical reason to kill Amber. However, there's some fun little gems... On November 12 2010 22:55 Amber[LighT] wrote: BLAH BLAH ORGOLOVE BLAH BLAH I'd like to hear more from BrownBear & Hesmyrr since they're playing on the fairly quiet side. And then 2 posts later... On November 12 2010 23:35 LSB wrote: FOS: Brownbear GRRR MAFIA BLAH BLAH GRRR And currently, LSB has completely ignored, to the point where he hasn't even acknowledged, the bandwagon forming on Amber so that he can continue to dump suspicion on me. There are connections, they're actually pretty obvious. Note, LSB, I never actually said you were red. I said you have given me a bad vibe all game. It's hard to throw up hard analysis based on gut feelings, because falling into that trap is a bad way to play the game. A couple of your posts... On November 09 2010 12:13 LSB wrote: That's why you look to my idea about the king following the town's decision. That way even if an assassin is chosen as king, nothing will happen. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167304¤tpage=2#27 The biggest problem with no detective is that there is no easy way to check the alignment of inactives. This is why on the first day we should lynch an inactive. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167304¤tpage=2#30 This is not a very good argument for lynching an inactive. This is a game of 9 people, where we really cannot afford to slip up much at all, so under no circumstances should we be just "lynching an inactive because we have nothing better to do" we should be finding something better to do. Let's be honest, it's a pretty poor argument, but you say it in such certain terms. Generally, the people I've seen going "This is what we should do" about stupid shit are more likely than not to be mafia trying to mislead town. So, I never FoS'd you or said "HEY GUYS LSB IS RED" I just said you were giving me a bad feeling. And now you're connected (kinda tenuously, but still) to Amber, who's been coming under some hard suspicion. It doesn't really add up to me. | ||
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