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If I was the assassin, wouldn't I be fishing for information ^^?
I'll agree that Coag is unlikely to be assassin, based on this:
On November 06 2010 09:24 Coagulation wrote:
i only got 1 pm
when Meapak was fishing with his 2 PMs nonsense.
On November 07 2010 12:51 orgolove wrote:
DarthThienAn is another suspect. The only relevant post in this game was his vote. -_- I think this guy has the highest chance of being the assassin.
##Vote DarthThienAn
So what's the basis of your vote? That I've been too quiet? Again, if I was the assassin, the best strategy would be to a) post "pro-town" and convince people that I'm a bodyguard, or b) fish for information and make the quickest kill possible, as opposed to focusing on survival.
Anyway,
On November 07 2010 16:26 bumatlarge wrote:
I feel the assassin is among Bereft, youngminii, and darth. But can't say anything for certain. Maybe if everyone does a dance and we will crown the best dancer as successor. I actually missed meapak's actual code, but I don't really care. If he was very clever he could have led it to someone different. But Dr.H makes it seem otherwise.
Darth seems like a solid vote I like your reasoning with everything else. And there is not much detail we should be going into as we only give more information, but more people need to just give their thought, because I'm not having an assasin sit back this game with his arms crossed. And there are no inactives. HOHOHO
I wouldn't throw out bum and Node necessarily from this list. But.
##Vote: Bereft
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Well played guys. Good luck with this, I liked that you didn't even bother reading my posts.
Also, in a game of 9 people, it must be pretty convenient to be able to start shit and bandwagon on the guy who defends himself.
GL assassin, I hope you pay more attention than the rest.
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Were there any variations between your PMs across the roles other than their specific role names and purpose? i.e. Coagulation mentioned that he only received one PM from you, but Meapak mentioned he received two PMs. If both are bodyguards, then it means you sent these two different role PMs despite being in the same role. Did you send different PMs?
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On November 07 2010 17:40 DarthThienAn wrote:
If I was the assassin, wouldn't I be fishing for information ^^?
Not necessarily. Just sit back, occasionally defend yourself, throw in a vote here and there (the less justification, the better), say a lot without saying anything. Watch as the number of bodyguards dwindles, and then when people finally figure out you aren't who you say you are, throw a knife at the person who has miraculously escaped suspicion.
I'm not buying it.
##Vote DarthThienAn
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On November 07 2010 16:26 bumatlarge wrote:
I feel the assassin is among Bereft, youngminii, and darth. But can't say anything for certain. Maybe if everyone does a dance and we will crown the best dancer as successor. I actually missed meapak's actual code, but I don't really care. If he was very clever he could have led it to someone different. But Dr.H makes it seem otherwise.
Darth seems like a solid vote I like your reasoning with everything else. And there is not much detail we should be going into as we only give more information, but more people need to just give their thought, because I'm not having an assasin sit back this game with his arms crossed. And there are no inactives. HOHOHO
I agree with bum here. If Darth flips blue, it's probably gonna be between Bereft and youngminii.
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United States2734 Posts
On November 08 2010 05:37 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 16:26 bumatlarge wrote:
I feel the assassin is among Bereft, youngminii, and darth. But can't say anything for certain. Maybe if everyone does a dance and we will crown the best dancer as successor. I actually missed meapak's actual code, but I don't really care. If he was very clever he could have led it to someone different. But Dr.H makes it seem otherwise.
Darth seems like a solid vote I like your reasoning with everything else. And there is not much detail we should be going into as we only give more information, but more people need to just give their thought, because I'm not having an assasin sit back this game with his arms crossed. And there are no inactives. HOHOHO I agree with bum here. If Darth flips blue, it's probably gonna be between Bereft and youngminii.
By blue you mean green? I'd only be blue if I was the king, which I clearly am not, since you all want to kill me ^^. It's nice to know that orgolove's really good at starting bandwagons though.
On November 08 2010 05:16 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 17:40 DarthThienAn wrote:
If I was the assassin, wouldn't I be fishing for information ^^? Not necessarily. Just sit back, occasionally defend yourself, throw in a vote here and there (the less justification, the better), say a lot without saying anything. Watch as the number of bodyguards dwindles, and then when people finally figure out you aren't who you say you are, throw a knife at the person who has miraculously escaped suspicion. I'm not buying it. ##Vote DarthThienAn
Again, there's no point in not saying anything if I'm the assassin. I'm not a noob, and saying nothing obviously attracts attention. Saying "pro-town" things and pretending like I'm part of the town is the easiest way to dodge attention. "Say a lot without saying anything," basically. Have I been doing that? Have I been trying to paint myself as a goody-goody bodyguard? No.
bum and YM should know that this is not how I play the bad guy, especially when there's only one. YM especially -_-. I may have been gone for awhile, but I don't think your memory is THAT bad. Have I ever sat back as a mafia member?
Again, I wouldn't necessarily clear anyone quite yet, other than Coag, for reasons I stated earlier. Meapak leans clear because of his code shenanigans, I guess, as well.
I guess there's no way to make it more obvious that I'm a bodyguard though. zzz.
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Hopefully I can point out something obvious here:
On November 07 2010 11:41 Coagulation wrote:
vote orgolove
On November 07 2010 12:51 orgolove wrote:
Ah fuck. my CubedIn vote was based on his irrational aggression against Meapak. It was the first day - not much we can do.
Screw you coagulation. god damn you are a terrible mafia player. I don't think you're the assassin, but man, you are terrible and might as well be one. It's almost like we're playing against two assassins here - coagulation and the real one.
From DrHelvetica's reaction after Meapak tried to use his code, I think it's safe to say Meapak isn't the assassin - if I as a host saw the assassin fishing for information via a fake code, I probably would've let him go thinking it an ingenious plan.
And Node seems quite pro-town, considering he's against busing someone without reason. An assassin would want lynches ASAP.
I doubt bumatlarge is an assassin either, based on his reactions to the code revelation and coagulation's shit against meapak. (These two are really experienced - I may well be fooled by their silver tongue, but there's not much else to go at this point).
And youngminii also doesn't look like the assassin because he's also trying to slow down the lynches.
Bereft... I don't know. On the one hand, he was quite reasonable in pointing out the 0/7 chance of getting the assassin when voting against Meapak vs 1/7 chance when voting vs anyone else. But On the other hand, he was really persistent on killing off CubedIn. - And the faster the bodyguards are killed off, the easier it is for the assassin.
DarthThienAn is another suspect. The only relevant post in this game was his vote. -_- I think this guy has the highest chance of being the assassin.
##Vote DarthThienAn
orgolove gets voted for, and immediately votes someone else, saying I have the highest chance of assassin because all I've done so far is vote. Seriously? This isn't a game where we can afford to just "lynch all inactives," or "lynch people we think aren't talking enough."
1. Meapak_Ziphh
2. Node
3. orgolove
4. coagulation
5. DarkThienAn
6. bumatlarge
7.CubEdIn (Bodyguard)
8. youngminii
9. bereft
8 players right now, and every bodyguard we lose, the assassin gets another 5% (on average) closer to hitting the king just based on chance. So seriously, don't waste our time and kill me.
On November 07 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Well that was a quick bandwagon. Is it fair to say orgolove is a semi-confirmed bodyguard/king? I mean, an assassin would be very wary of starting a lynch bandwagon because if he accidentally votes for the king, everyone would know (well, at least be suspicious) that the person that targeted the king would be the assassin, since the assassin doesn't know who the king is.
Might be a bit of wifom but orgolove's safe in my books.
I guess the difference between me and you is our opinion of orgolove. It's a nice position (for an assassin) to be the one controlling the bandwagons, no?
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I honestly haven't played enough with any of you to really tell how you play in which role. bumatlarge, as a blue while in Insane Mafia, was plenty pro-town early in the game, just as he is now active in this game. Youngminii was a real ass as a vampire in Haunted, but he's been reasonable this game. I haven't seen you before, Darth.
Youngminii hasn't contributed much this game, but he's still been more pro-town than you. All you contributed to our first loss was :"I have nothing, here's my bandwagon vote." Nice....
Your responses after you are accused do smell more like a bodyguard than an assassin. But it may well be you throwing up a smokescreen to delay your kill until the last possible moment.
But so far, my assessment is that either you, Bereft, or youngminii is the assassin. we'll see after the lynch goes through.
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United States2734 Posts
On November 08 2010 09:24 orgolove wrote:
I honestly haven't played enough with any of you to really tell how you play in which role. bumatlarge, as a blue while in Insane Mafia, was plenty pro-town early in the game, just as he is now active in this game. Youngminii was a real ass as a vampire in Haunted, but he's been reasonable this game. I haven't seen you before, Darth.
Youngminii hasn't contributed much this game, but he's still been more pro-town than you. All you contributed to our first loss was :"I have nothing, here's my bandwagon vote." Nice....
Your responses after you are accused do smell more like a bodyguard than an assassin. But it may well be you throwing up a smokescreen to delay your kill until the last possible moment.
But so far, my assessment is that either you, Bereft, or youngminii is the assassin. we'll see after the lynch goes through.
Clearly you missed the point of my last couple posts, if you're going to be content with lynching me. But oh well. That either makes you the assassin, or incredibly stupid. Lynch orgolove tomorrow plz, maybe bereft/YM after that.
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What is this "point" you are talking about, other than you saying your posting pattern is indicative of a bodyguard? -_- I understand far more than you that the assassin gets closer to hitting the king with every bodyguard kill. But we're doing far more than just killing an inactive - you clearly revealed you "have nothing right now" i.e. no information. Only an assassin has NO information in this game - the rest all know the king's name.
On November 08 2010 09:51 DarthThienAn wrote:
That either makes you the assassin, or incredibly stupid. Lynch orgolove tomorrow plz, maybe bereft/YM after that.
lol.....
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On November 08 2010 09:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
bum and YM should know that this is not how I play the bad guy, especially when there's only one. YM especially -_-. I may have been gone for awhile, but I don't think your memory is THAT bad. Have I ever sat back as a mafia member?
When did I accuse you? When did I vote for you? I was going to defend you lol
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On November 08 2010 10:11 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 09:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
bum and YM should know that this is not how I play the bad guy, especially when there's only one. YM especially -_-. I may have been gone for awhile, but I don't think your memory is THAT bad. Have I ever sat back as a mafia member? When did I accuse you? When did I vote for you? I was going to defend you lol
Yeah, you weren't defending me ;;. Neither is bum >=[.
On November 08 2010 09:57 orgolove wrote:What is this "point" you are talking about, other than you saying your posting pattern is indicative of a bodyguard? -_- I understand far more than you that the assassin gets closer to hitting the king with every bodyguard kill. But we're doing far more than just killing an inactive - you clearly revealed you "have nothing right now" i.e. no information. Only an assassin has NO information in this game - the rest all know the king's name. Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 09:51 DarthThienAn wrote:
That either makes you the assassin, or incredibly stupid. Lynch orgolove tomorrow plz, maybe bereft/YM after that. lol.....
1. If I'm the assassin, am I really going to admit something like that?
2. If I'm the assassin, am I really going to sit back and do nothing like I did day 1?
zzz.
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Well, I'm waiting for others to post their own analyses. So far I'm the only one really looking at people, and I've been wrong in the first day... so I won't mind if others also jump in as well.
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At this point I'm back on the fence with Darth. His posting has been fairly level headed since being accused and I don't blame him too much for his first post regarding the cube lynch. I almost feel as if it would be better to lynch Bereft, his post didn't add anything incredible and it could easily be a scum post who is just trying to hide while seeming like they're doing something.
Orgolove I suck at post analysis >_> just look at insane mafia...
For lack of a better vote atm I'm going to change from Darth to Bereft, at the start of this day I felt like they had equal chance of being the assasin but with Darth's subsequent posts I'm less convinced about him. I'd really like to see Bereft post so I can hear his story.
##unvote DarthThienAn
##vote Bereft
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Guys im voting Orgolove cause he made a slip that if i point out will compromise the kings secret identity.
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On November 08 2010 11:55 Coagulation wrote:
Guys im voting Orgolove cause he made a slip that if i point out will compromise the kings secret identity.
Your lack of... sophistication boggles my mind (That's not a personal insult amirite DrH?)
Darth has been quite pro-town for his past couple of posts. I'm just not so sure about changing my vote when his posts have only surfaced after the first death.
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as unsophisticated as Coag might be, I'm pretty sure he just confirmed himself as a bodyguard.
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Mm, I'm not sure how to defend myself other than to state that CubEdIn seemed to give us plenty of reason to think that he's scum, with how quickly he jumped on Meapak when it seemed fairly obvious at that time that Meapak was a BG.
With the posts we have thus far, the quote that I quoted above by bumatlarge stands out to me:
For instance, assasin knows this meapak will not be the king. There is no PM coordination and 3 people have already voted him. Of course we will kill him now, but we do need to watch who is voting what. The BGs have to be a little bit more discreet. I respect meapak's willingness to die, but he has to know that every time a BG dies, the assasin increases his chances. where he says "of course we will kill him now", despite being pretty sure that Meapak's not an assassin. If anything he should be trying to talk people out of voting Meapak versus respecting his "willingness to die".
You guys sure do like to do whatever the fuck you want and disregard what everyone says about anything. Did you not read fishball's post? Are you daft? Fine do the opposite, you guys are going to give the killer one hell of a shot if you just assume things and start ignoring people when we are only 4 pages in.
I also find it interesting that bumatlarge advocates that we follow Fishball's strategy, which is for everyone to say nothing, and then kill whoever tries to fish. Obviously the assassin is not going to be so desperate as to out himself within the first night; if everyone is silent he could easily sit back while BG after BG is picked off, until it comes down to him having to choose between say, 3 people over having to choose between 8. I think that in the beginning of the game, the assassin may try to hop on a bandwagon to avoid accidentally mentioning for or voting for the king. But subsequently we may see him take more of a decisive stance once he has a more concrete idea of who's king, or through the power of elimination he thinks he knows who is NOT king. Once other players have been FoS'd or voted for, he could claim to also think them guilty just because other players have already done so previously. Then again, BG's could vote for the king so as to throw off the assassin. But there is a fine line between misleading the assassin and actually mistakenly convincing the rest of the town that oneself is the assassin.
Note that he also votes for CubEdIn without giving any reasoning whatsoever, and also votes for Darth immediately following orgolove, giving this reasoning: Darth seems like a solid vote I like your reasoning with everything else. And there is not much detail we should be going into as we only give more information, but more people need to just give their thought, because I'm not having an assasin sit back this game with his arms crossed. And there are no inactives. HOHOHO He seems to say pro-town posts without actually saying anything of substance. Of course I'm not sure, but for now my vote will go to him.
##vote bumatlarge
Also, this confuses me:
On November 08 2010 03:37 orgolove wrote:
Were there any variations between your PMs across the roles other than their specific role names and purpose? i.e. Coagulation mentioned that he only received one PM from you, but Meapak mentioned he received two PMs. If both are bodyguards, then it means you sent these two different role PMs despite being in the same role. Did you send different PMs?
What are you talking about? The fact that you seem to be fishing about role PM information seems slightly odd.
Finally, could we get a KST time and date of when each day is going to begin and end? I've been travelling lately, so my time zones and conception of time is a bit skewed.
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Bereft disregard anything having to do with PMs, I tried to fish for bodyguards using my pm as a template but nothing ever came of it.
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On November 08 2010 12:30 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 11:55 Coagulation wrote:
Guys im voting Orgolove cause he made a slip that if i point out will compromise the kings secret identity. Your lack of... sophistication boggles my mind (That's not a personal insult amirite DrH?) Darth has been quite pro-town for his past couple of posts. I'm just not so sure about changing my vote when his posts have only surfaced after the first death.
I don't think anyone has called coagulation bad more than me so it would be hypocritical to modkill you for that.
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