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On December 02 2010 02:22 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 14:46 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Are you missing Ace's blatant hiding of EVERYTHING? Atleast LSB is openly putting out new information. Seriously, you are all trusting the one person who is afraid to say anything in the thread?
Trusting Ace is ridiculous. What has he posted substantially arguing he isn't KoW, or a viable suspect for him.
Ace isn't scum hunting either. I'm really sick of Ace commanding sheep. Stop panicking. Have you seen LSB or any SIFZ member post their locations in the thread? I didn't think so. Use your head.
I've atleast been privately informed. I have LSB down to about three places.
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And I'm not SIFZ either. I'm in contact with all my neighbors though. He has been very forthcoming with SIFZ's intentions to me also, and night actions shown it, and day posts showed it, and what he has done today has shown in. The provinces near KoW is mafia, and Cubedin and Veldril could both be mafia.
Cubedin losing his original province night one is in no way proof that he is not mafia either. He attacked trying to landgrab night one.
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What night actions performed in SIFZ makes them innocent?
Likewise what night actions performed by the provinces around KOW makes them mafia?
Explain please.
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On December 02 2010 02:46 Ace wrote:
What night actions performed in SIFZ makes them innocent?
Likewise what night actions performed by the provinces around KOW makes them mafia?
Explain please.
I wasn't attacked, the moves to the south of me were planned, but don't make them innocent.
I said I trust them moreso because of this, I didn't say it makes them innocent. I asked for information earlier, no body gave it, except LSB and Chezinu. You've been rather cryptic and less willing to discuss about certain people. Why would I think Loanshark was mafia? he is a lurker that is clearly here a lot. He made moves to get near kingdom of whoring, and set a deal with Annul so annul wouldn't push for his lynch. Hiding under the table, I feel.
Actually I should be pushing for Loanshark.
Anyway, someone had to help KoW defend. And with how aggressive KoW has been, he has to be receiving constant aid. I find that frightening.
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On December 02 2010 02:46 Ace wrote:
What night actions performed in SIFZ makes them innocent?
Likewise what night actions performed by the provinces around KOW makes them mafia?
Explain please.
LSB has explained that, on Night 1, since province 17 told LSB he attacked KoW, and the attack didn't go through, that KoW MUST be mafia because he had defense while also attacking. LSB has then narrowed down that NLP sent aid to KoW on Night 1. I don't understand, though, why NLP would send aid on Night 1...
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On December 02 2010 02:51 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 02:46 Ace wrote:
What night actions performed in SIFZ makes them innocent?
Likewise what night actions performed by the provinces around KOW makes them mafia?
Explain please. I wasn't attacked, the moves to the south of me were planned, but don't make them innocent. I said I trust them moreso because of this, I didn't say it makes them innocent. I asked for information earlier, no body gave it, except LSB and Chezinu. You've been rather cryptic and less willing to discuss about certain people. Why would I think Loanshark was mafia? he is a lurker that is clearly here a lot. He made moves to get near kingdom of whoring, and set a deal with Annul so annul wouldn't push for his lynch. Hiding under the table, I feel. Actually I should be pushing for Loanshark. Anyway, someone had to help KoW defend. And with how aggressive KoW has been, he has to be receiving constant aid. I find that frightening.
If Loanshark is a lurker, then so is ghrur, Lexpar, Nemesis, Coagulation and pretty much all the provinces on that side of the map.
AFAIK Loanshark has only made deals with annul that has proven them both to be town. Annul would be kind of silly to push for Loanshark's lynch after LS just gave him back his land wouldn't he? :/
On December 02 2010 02:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 02:46 Ace wrote:
What night actions performed in SIFZ makes them innocent?
Likewise what night actions performed by the provinces around KOW makes them mafia?
Explain please. LSB has explained that, on Night 1, since province 17 told LSB he attacked KoW, and the attack didn't go through, that KoW MUST be mafia because he had defense while also attacking. LSB has then narrowed down that NLP sent aid to KoW on Night 1. I don't understand, though, why NLP would send aid on Night 1...
Ditto. Which is the major snag in linking the 2 countries together. I could understand if say...Night 2 after KoW has already been attacked he got aid from NPL because then he'd know he was a target.
It's Night 1 - neither of them know they'll be attacked. Both are surrounded by countries, and even better NPL had access to multiple neutral lands iirc. So if NPL was an Elite Soldier why would he use an action to send aid to KoW and not try and grab 2 territories? Add in the fact that we didn't have the rule about losing all provinces means death and this scenario falls flat on it's face.
If my information about recent attacks on KoW also add up then explain how NPL was able to gain a territory the same night that KoW was attacked and didn't lose land.
If an ES only has 1 use and NPL got land then he can't send aid to KoW. KoW would have lost land in that attack.
See ~OpZ~ - you blame me for not scumhunting. I blame you people for not thinking logically and putting the pieces together.
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On December 02 2010 03:00 Ace wrote:
It's Night 1 - neither of them know they'll be attacked. Both are surrounded by countries, and even better NPL had access to multiple neutral lands iirc. So if NPL was an Elite Soldier why would he use an action to send aid to KoW and not try and grab 2 territories? Add in the fact that we didn't have the rule about losing all provinces means death and this scenario falls flat on it's face.
What kind of logic is this?
What we know is that KoW was attacked. That means someone had to assist them.
It's not 'magic' as you state. Something had to happen. Mafia probably was using NPL to ensure constant protection on KoW.
Remember "If you can eliminate all the other choices, the remaining choice, no matter how improbable, is the answer." - Sherlock Holmes
If my information about recent attacks on KoW also add up then explain how NPL was able to gain a territory the same night that KoW was attacked and didn't lose land.
If an ES only has 1 use and NPL got land then he can't send aid to KoW. KoW would have lost land in that attack.
What night is this? I'll look into it once you tell me what it is.
See ~OpZ~ - you blame me for not scumhunting. I blame you people for not thinking logically and putting the pieces together.
I find your accusations about us not using logic quite ironic.
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All right. I'm pushing the Vedril lynch for two reasons
1) Assuming that CubEdIn is telling the truth, he is NoPlanLand
2) He has done absolutely nothing for the past few days.
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Didn't you PM me telling me Pandain attacked KoW? That's the information I'm talking about. If that's true and NPL is sending aid to KOW then how is it possible they can both gain territory in the same night? They can't.
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On December 02 2010 04:31 Ace wrote:
Didn't you PM me telling me Pandain attacked KoW? That's the information I'm talking about. If that's true and NPL is sending aid to KOW then how is it possible they can both gain territory in the same night? They can't.
Nope, that was something else. I'll check up to see if anyone attacked KoW last night. I'm pretty sure they did, but just to check...
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Look at Kj's maps here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165431¤tpage=78#1551
Day 1:
KoW: 1 province
NPL: 1 province
Day 2:
KoW: +1 province (17 attacks Kow and fails)
NPL: +1 province, -1 province (loses 12, gains 7)
This is where the case that NPL must be an Elite Soldier sending aid to KoW comes from
Ok let's ignore any other reasons for why this can't be true and just assume it is true. We are operating under the assumption that NPL is an Elite Soldier
Day 3:
KoW (+1 province, now at 3 total)
NPL : 0 actions taken.
If NPL is an ES then he can't have 2 actions anymore. It is entirely possible that NPL could have aided KoW the night before and KoW safely attacks.
Day 4:
No change for either country.
Day 5:
KoW: (+1 province, total of 4)
NPL: (+1 province, total of 2)
If Pandain hit's KoW on this night, then there's no way NPL could have aided KoW. NPL gained a territory and with only 1 Night Action available since we are operating under the assumption NPL is an Elite Soldier that used it already - how can he aid KoW tonight? He can't. Notice KoW also gained a territory. So BOTH of them attacked that night and neither one have multiple night actions. Hence Pandain's attack failed but it's not because NPL aided KoW.
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On December 02 2010 04:52 Ace wrote:Look at Kj's maps here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165431¤tpage=78#1551Day 1: KoW: 1 province NPL: 1 province Day 2: KoW: +1 province (17 attacks Kow and fails) NPL: +1 province, -1 province (loses 12, gains 7) This is where the case that NPL must be an Elite Soldier sending aid to KoW comes from Ok let's ignore any other reasons for why this can't be true and just assume it is true. We are operating under the assumption that NPL is an Elite SoldierDay 3: KoW (+1 province, now at 3 total) NPL : 0 actions taken. If NPL is an ES then he can't have 2 actions anymore. It is entirely possible that NPL could have aided KoW the night before and KoW safely attacks.Day 4: No change for either country. Day 5: KoW: (+1 province, total of 4) NPL: (+1 province, total of 2) If Pandain hit's KoW on this night, then there's no way NPL could have aided KoW. NPL gained a territory and with only 1 Night Action available since we are operating under the assumption NPL is an Elite Soldier that used it already - how can he aid KoW tonight? He can't. Notice KoW also gained a territory. So BOTH of them attacked that night and neither one have multiple night actions. Hence Pandain's attack failed but it's not because NPL aided KoW.
So, we're operating under the assumption that NLP is an elite soldier and sent aid to KoW on Night 1. Fine. But then you say Pandain attacked KoW on Night 4, but failed. So are you saying someone else sent KoW aid instead? In that case, who do you propose sent him aid last night?
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I don't know, maybe you should ask him.
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On December 02 2010 05:05 Ace wrote:
I don't know, maybe you should ask him.
xD I thought LSB posted that.
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On December 02 2010 05:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:xD I thought LSB posted that.
Haha regardless, my question is directed at LSB.
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On December 02 2010 05:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 04:52 Ace wrote:Look at Kj's maps here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165431¤tpage=78#1551Day 1: KoW: 1 province NPL: 1 province Day 2: KoW: +1 province (17 attacks Kow and fails) NPL: +1 province, -1 province (loses 12, gains 7) This is where the case that NPL must be an Elite Soldier sending aid to KoW comes from Ok let's ignore any other reasons for why this can't be true and just assume it is true. We are operating under the assumption that NPL is an Elite SoldierDay 3: KoW (+1 province, now at 3 total) NPL : 0 actions taken. If NPL is an ES then he can't have 2 actions anymore. It is entirely possible that NPL could have aided KoW the night before and KoW safely attacks.Day 4: No change for either country. Day 5: KoW: (+1 province, total of 4) NPL: (+1 province, total of 2) If Pandain hit's KoW on this night, then there's no way NPL could have aided KoW. NPL gained a territory and with only 1 Night Action available since we are operating under the assumption NPL is an Elite Soldier that used it already - how can he aid KoW tonight? He can't. Notice KoW also gained a territory. So BOTH of them attacked that night and neither one have multiple night actions. Hence Pandain's attack failed but it's not because NPL aided KoW. So, we're operating under the assumption that NLP is an elite soldier and sent aid to KoW on Night 1. Fine. But then you say Pandain attacked KoW on Night 4, but failed. So are you saying someone else sent KoW aid instead? In that case, who do you propose sent him aid last night?
All right, found out the info.
Last night, Kingjames01 attacked KingdomofWhoring.
Notice that KoW is surrounded by Sharkpark, Annul, Nation in Dispair, Pandain, Republic of Texas.
Getting rid of everyone that took an action we are left with, Pandain, Republic of Texas, or Nation in Dispair.
Any one of those three could have aided you.
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On December 02 2010 05:13 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 02 2010 04:52 Ace wrote:Look at Kj's maps here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165431¤tpage=78#1551Day 1: KoW: 1 province NPL: 1 province Day 2: KoW: +1 province (17 attacks Kow and fails) NPL: +1 province, -1 province (loses 12, gains 7) This is where the case that NPL must be an Elite Soldier sending aid to KoW comes from Ok let's ignore any other reasons for why this can't be true and just assume it is true. We are operating under the assumption that NPL is an Elite SoldierDay 3: KoW (+1 province, now at 3 total) NPL : 0 actions taken. If NPL is an ES then he can't have 2 actions anymore. It is entirely possible that NPL could have aided KoW the night before and KoW safely attacks.Day 4: No change for either country. Day 5: KoW: (+1 province, total of 4) NPL: (+1 province, total of 2) If Pandain hit's KoW on this night, then there's no way NPL could have aided KoW. NPL gained a territory and with only 1 Night Action available since we are operating under the assumption NPL is an Elite Soldier that used it already - how can he aid KoW tonight? He can't. Notice KoW also gained a territory. So BOTH of them attacked that night and neither one have multiple night actions. Hence Pandain's attack failed but it's not because NPL aided KoW. So, we're operating under the assumption that NLP is an elite soldier and sent aid to KoW on Night 1. Fine. But then you say Pandain attacked KoW on Night 4, but failed. So are you saying someone else sent KoW aid instead? In that case, who do you propose sent him aid last night? All right, found out the info. Last night, Kingjames01 attacked KingdomofWhoring. Notice that KoW is surrounded by Sharkpark, Annul, Nation in Dispair, Pandain, Republic of Texas. Getting rid of everyone that took an action we are left with, Pandain, Republic of Texas, or Nation in Dispair. Any one of those three could have aided you.
Republic of Texas isn't anywhere near KoW, do you mean Rainbow Rumpus Room?
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Oh yeah sorry, I never learned my colors properly x.x
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Considering KoW attacked Nation in Despair that kills that explanation.
Sharkpark wasn't near Kow Night 1. Neither was the Republic of Texas. So they are out.
Likewise, if Pandain attacked KoW then why send aid?
Looks like you're out of cards, chum.
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On December 02 2010 05:19 Ace wrote:
Considering KoW attacked Nation in Despair that kills that explanation.
Sharkpark wasn't near Kow Night 1. Neither was the Republic of Texas. So they are out.
Likewise, if Pandain attacked KoW then why send aid?
Looks like you're out of cards, chum.
Anyways, the list actually is Pandain, Nation in Dispair, or Rainbow Rumpus Room.
I don't know where you got the idea that Pandain attacked you, that's not true. Kingjames01 attacked you.
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oh my bad, must have read that PM wrong
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