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Also, no one votes my SFA member. ##Vote Dr. H | ||
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Town mislynches townie, then mafia shoots townie. 7v2 Next day and night 5v2 Next day and night 3v2 SO EVEN IF WE MISLYNCH THREE TIMES WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE, albeit we have a greater chance of mafia manipulation with each chance. So we don't really have to do a random lynch, like Dr. H says. That's part of the reason I'm voting for him, and am suscipcious that he wants to destroy a (semi, at least) vet player so easily. | ||
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a) Medic can protect a townie b) cop can detect a mafia and of course the dreaded occurence c) mafia can destroy a blue(which doesn't effect the fact we have 4 chances of to get a lynch right before we lose. | ||
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On October 21 2010 10:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: way to misunderstand what i'm saying on day 1 town does not have enough information to pin down a mafia. people don't really have much to argue about, voting records are sparse, and there is just not enough content for real scumhunting to take place. it's a crapshoot. day 1 votes are always a crapshoot. do you really honestly think town has a great chance of catching mafia on day 1? if so that is the dumbest thing anyone has said to me in a mafia game. random voting, in the beginning, creates a discussion and increases the chance of successful scumhunting as people feel the need to defend themselves if they are voted for. also i have no intention of destroying brownbear lol wtf. i'm voting for him to force him to talk. i picked his name at random. hence RNG vote. alright, I misunderstood. I'm not very expierenced with RNG(don't think I've played a game where we did it first day.) Thought you were saying "oh, we can't have enough info, let's just all random lynch some guy," but clearly i misunderstood. And since it seems there's no majority lynch, I'll be happy with voting him(for now.) ##Unvote Dr. H ##Vote Brownbear | ||
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On October 21 2010 13:21 jodogohoo wrote: I don't want to do it either =( but your sacrifice is necessary for the good of the town =( sacrifice? ##Unvote Brownbear Do you understand what we're doing here btw, with voting Brownbear? | ||
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pressure gogogogogogo | ||
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On October 22 2010 05:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Pandas dont have the right to vote in this country  ##Unvote | ||
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On October 22 2010 13:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol i'd love to hear your logic on how neither you or pandain could possibly be mafia it cause the role was vampire, not mafia. :p. | ||
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Lol1221 was killed. He was a self proclaimed new player, constantly announced that in thread. He really didn't make any strong posts yet was killed. Why is this? Lol1221, was really a smurf. All of his posts in teamliquid so far have been mafia related(man, even Proctat sometimes posts in non related stuff.) But who joins teamliquid just to play mafia? Who even knows they play mafia? So there are 3 possible reasons why Lol1221 was killed: 1.They thought he was blue. Not really indicated by any of his posts. I haven't played mafia yet, so perhaps I'm not that good at blue analysis so maybe he just seemed to be one. But this is a doubtful reason, a possible, just maybe blue, rather than a more expierenced player? 2. He was catching on to them. Still doubtful, as without #3 being true they wouldn't really have to worry. Let's see his posts: On October 21 2010 09:56 lol1221 wrote: [Vote]##Pandain interesting... On October 22 2010 09:48 lol1221 wrote: hmm i probably would be wrong since i am new but at this point it seems like jodogohoo is not mafia?? this is like what, 7 people voted on him? no one seemed to have attacked anyone who started or joined the jodogohoo bandwagon, meaning the mafias probably knew that he's a townie so it would be for their benefit to kill jodogohoo...this logic could be turned over if the the mafia is trying to hold back the frustration of losing a teammate but the chance is that seems pretty low since there was hardly ANY objection in the vote (don't get me wrong, i am not the mafia trying to convince people to change votes, it's like last minute already) just explaining how i viewed this bandwagon and stuff, noob @_@ He later unvoted me, but keeping that in here. The last post is fairly good, and I was worried about that too(most likely mafia just changed to bandwagon him for fear of another person being voted off.) But really he hasn't accused anyone, just defended people. So this point isn't a real viable reason why mafia shot him. 3. They knew he was a smurf, so shot him. This makes the most sense. Why shoot a new player, who doesn't really show any signs he's blue, and really didn't accuse anyone? why would they do this? The only possible reason is that they thought(read: knew) he was a smurf. Now, what does this entail? Most likely, an expierenced player is on the mafia team. For instance, if two of the newcomers(only playing in the last game), were on a team, then how would they know he was a smurf? Sure, they could look through his posts, but why do that when he hasn't contributed anything either? This is why I believe either Brownbear or Dr. H is mafia(most likely Dr. H, albeit Brownbear has been around for a while and even posted a sentence where he said he knew he was a smurf.) I'm leaning towards Dr. H, I'll post later about that. | ||
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On October 23 2010 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: her last post was garbage. there is no such real thing as a day 1 bandwagon. day 1 votes/lynches are for the most part utterly meaningless unless scum really fucks up as far as an experienced player being on mafia I agree it's likely. that would put me, you, and brownbear under suspicion. I don't agree that lol1221 was a smurf. I can't think of any experienced players that post that badly or misunderstand the game enough to start talking about mafia voting habits/bandwagons on day 1 Lol1221 was almost certainly a smurf. Again, every single one of his posts have been in the mafia forums. Who joins a sc2 website to play mafia? And imo he was just playing new, as do all of smurfs. You have to look not only at his words(which are quite suscipcious in themselves because he CONSTANTLY points out the "fact" that he's new.) but at his actions as well(only has posted in mafia forum.) Also, you should be happy to note that I do not think you are "most likely" mafia. I do find some of your actions suscipcious, such as voting jodo for being a bad player, then despite your constant pointing out coag is playing "poorly" don't vote him, and even thinks he's townie. I'm sure you have a good reason(intuition for example,) but care to explain? As of right now I'll be analyzing people. | ||
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On October 20 2010 23:10 BrownBear wrote: Hrm. Day 1 randomness doesn't look so fun when it's cast on you. I'm not voting OMGUS, indeed I'm not voting at all yet. Give it some time, let some posting happen, and maybe something will pop out at us. On October 21 2010 13:51 BrownBear wrote: Well, color me skeptical, but I don't trust your motives. In fact, I get the feeling you want me dead for some reason. On October 21 2010 13:19 BrownBear wrote: But seriously, really? This is retarded. If you all are dead set on lynching randomly, at least do it to someone who isn't me. On October 22 2010 08:28 BrownBear wrote: Sigh... looks like I'm going to be lynched. In the future, remember that RNG votes are rarely followed through with for a reason. You have a 2 in 9 chance of catching a mafia in this game (usually it's 1 in 5 or thereabouts in larger games), and it's rare that you get lucky. On October 22 2010 09:06 BrownBear wrote: ... I'm pushing for this guy for day 1 lynch for 2 reasons: 1) He's banned for trolling and shit 2) obviously, he's in second, and I don't want to get lynched 3) This is the biggest contribution he's given to this game all fucking cycle. This post. On October 23 2010 01:40 BrownBear wrote: so the smurf got targeted early. Kind of predictable, actually. jodogohoo was town, which was unfortunate, but at the very least, we didn't kill off a more capable townie, I'm ok with that, kind of. Still don't like pointless deaths. We aren't anywhere near LYLO yet, so we have some time to kill. The "vote drag_ to see how he responds" is ok, but we need more than that. The coag vs NB thing - could be useful to lynch one? Of course, they could be two townies yelling at each other and letting mafia sit in the background. Hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's jo--- I mean Brownbear! Hmm... the first thing that strikes me out is a lack of contribution to this game thus far. I'd like to see more from him, but that in itself isn't neccesarily scum like. So I'm giving you the "Panda Warning", where we eat those who don't give enough bamboo(contributions) to da pandas(forum). He gave his reasons for voting jodo, but he was later town anyway. So, contribute more. | ||
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sorry for inconvienance.. mod, can I edit that? Or no? | ||
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Summary: Annul is very suscipcious this game. He hasn't given any real contributions(and I mean none at all, not just a one line contribution. He has voted and changed his vote 3 times without any reasons. Very suscipcious. I would be alright with a lynch of this guy. His posts: + Show Spoiler + On October 20 2010 13:39 annul wrote: hello. ;D let us begin. NB is mafia, kill him! yum yum spam spam On October 20 2010 14:53 annul wrote: apologize for playing that role yum yum idra reference On October 20 2010 15:53 annul wrote: arent you supposed to vote by PMing LSD yum yum game question On October 21 2010 11:00 annul wrote: im gonna vote NB just because. yum yum...wait what? I'm assuming this is still a part of the previous joke "NB IS MAFIA!" at the start. But still it's a bit suscipcious so late in the game. On October 21 2010 14:51 annul wrote: i agree unvote, vote coagulation But Dr. H himself has said he doubts Coag is mafia.... and annul doesn't contribute at all just says "I agree." On October 22 2010 09:34 annul wrote: unvote vote jodogohoo wow what the fadoodle? Doesn't even give a reason, just continues the bandwagon. Definitely suscipcious. NB Summary: This guy is suscipcious to me. Now, he's new, so he gets a bit of leniancy, and I've explained some stuff to him, but some things stick out to me. For example, that whole "coag and Dr. H are scum buddies" He later admits there is no such obvious correlation, but how he came up with that in the first place I want to know. Also, he does the old "Lynch me, you'll find out I'm town." Which I never like, because it's just like your asking them to lynch you, but why would you do that if your town. Of course, townies do it alot, so I can't really judge this the best. His posts:+ Show Spoiler + On October 20 2010 15:37 NB wrote: lololol voting on veteran players? LOLOLOL i see what you did there  [Vote]##DoctorHelveticaI can see this as a joke, with all the winky faces. But Dr. H is right, it could be an example of chainsaw defense(protecting brownbear by attacking Dr. H.) On October 20 2010 17:40 NB wrote: no, the good lesson is DO NOT PROTECT ANYONE =))... the fact that veldril should be lynched was created by me while i was the god-father xD (after masq died).... Alright, either this is an example that he's new, or this is an incrediably scummy post. In case he's new, I'll go over why medics should always protect someone. Basically, even if there is a 2/9 chance you'll protect someone who's mafia, that really doesn't matter. It's not like your helping mafia(no vigi) in any way besides protecting them, but thats the same thing as not protecting at all. With a possible two blues in this game, medics must always be protecting every night. On October 20 2010 20:18 NB wrote: cmon man, you all see what happened to veldril -.-... i mean u obviously should defends yourself but otherwise you would be consider as having a "teammate" and got lynch with him.... also how is it anti town? So stand out and protect a mafia is supporting town? Already discussed. I still find this scummy, but that view is tempered by the fact he's new. On October 21 2010 16:23 NB wrote: jodogohoo got mafia ban?.... need an explanation on DrH latest post ~_~... how does that make him scum @_@... excuse me for being noob T_T asking for clarification. Nothing wrong I suppose, I need clarification all the time. On October 22 2010 07:49 NB wrote: i dun know.... the player who didnt vote yet should be a towny since he didn't communicated with anyone (aka. teammate) yet.... ~_~ it could be an afk mafia but most likely towny ~_~.... unvote##DR.H Vote## jodogohoo good point I think, albeit it could just be an inactive mafia n.n On October 22 2010 09:41 NB wrote: "ohhhhh shiiittttt! "(day9's voice) jodogohoo bandwagon is formed xD Which you started, no? On October 22 2010 13:25 NB wrote: [VOTE[##Coagulation do i need a reason~_~? Yes, yes you do. Why would you vote without giving a reason, especially when it's pretty surprising On October 22 2010 15:07 NB wrote: sr guys but Coag and Dr.H are kissing each other ass... and what is the reason to lynch an afk player again? we are allowed to "miss lynch" 3 times or so but that doesnt mean we should random lynching people like that ~_~ Yeah, cause as Dr. H kindly pointed out, disagreeing with each on almost every issue is a sign of a stable bond. I do find the drag lynch somewhat surprising, as it is a little bit early, but we can also pressure him to post more. On October 22 2010 16:56 NB wrote: here is the thing: i suggest u guys should all vote for me on day3 so that i could prove myself being a towny. after you all found out the im the towny, please lynch Dr.H and Coag since they are really kissing... I don't like this post because if he was townie: 1. Why would he want to be lynched at all 2. How would he know Dr. H and Coag are mafia. On October 23 2010 04:59 NB wrote: lolol, you described what i did in the haunted mafia xD.... but i admit what you pointed out is true and i had a flaw in my logic  ... life go on ^^ Alright, so you addmited that that was a horrible breach in logic and there is no such alliance. I have no idea how you came up with this in the first place. drag_ Summary: This may be somewhat controversial, but I don't think drag is mafia. I think he needs to definitely contribute more, but I don't think he's mafia. Mafia, to me, are usually the suscipcious inactives. They're the inactives who post every now and then, tipping a bandwagon here or there, giving a single post about why a townie is mafia. Drag to me seems more a bored townie than a mafia. Still, must contribute more! His posts:+ Show Spoiler + On October 20 2010 19:57 drag_ wrote: Day 1 usually is pretty random, but I don't see the point in voting now as you never know when some info might come up. First post, one sentence. Doesn't really give alot of content, but he's pretty new so it's alright I suppose. Brings up a good point: We should wait until day ends before making a final decision. At the same time however, you have to remember we were voting people to get them to talk more. On October 22 2010 08:44 drag_ wrote: ##Vote jodogohoo Votes without reasoning. | ||
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On October 23 2010 06:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: -_- 1. day 1 vote doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter 2. coag is bad but that doesn't mean he's mafia. i already explained it but since you are incapable of reading and understanding my posts I'll say it again. mafia don't post like coag does. it's not WIFOM, it's pretty simple. if coagulation had a scumbuddy (which would most likely be an experienced player) his scumbuddy would be instructing him not to post like he is. if he is scum, you're his partner and he is REALLY dumb for defending you out of the blue. even you are good enough at this game to tell him not to do that. but that is probably not the case. he's probably a DT who checked you out as town and is being dumb by begging for medic protection (already 1 soft blue claim there) and defending you for no reason. I don't want to lynch the person I most suspect of being blue. why would I vote for him? 3. i doubt lol1221 is a smurf. unless she is a smurf trying to pretend that she is an awful player or something. it usually doesn't worth that way. a few people signed up or started posting to play in haunted mafia so it's possible she did the same. if she is a smurf, she's the smurf of a really bad player. It's hard to guess why mafia would hit her. they either thought, like you, that she was the smurf of a good player, or they're trying to do the opposite of what is expected (which would be to hit experienced players and blues) 4. never said you thought I was most likely mafia. you said an experienced player is most likely mafia and AFAIK the only "experienced" players here are me you and BB. 5. knock yourself out analysing worthless day 1 votes 1. Every vote matters. Some days are harder than others, but every one matters. 2.Thanks, I'm a very poor reader and I needed something like this. I understand now. 3.How do you know she's female? And I really think she's a smurf. Joins just in time for the Insane mafia, and even Brownbear thinks shes a smurf(albeit I don't know how he would know this, or even if he's sure.) I think she was more just trying to stay alive until next night, when she can really go KABOOM. 4. Oops, I sometimes keep my thoughts to myself and then speak as though I've already said them. I was heavily suscipcious of you based on a gut feeling, but am less so now. 5. I will On October 23 2010 06:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol there is basically nothing to contribute day 1 except advice to blues maybe that we may or may not even have in this game you didn't contribute jack either and neither did I and neither did anyone Hmm.. valid point. I was thinking contributing as in paragraph long or more. But there really hasn't been much of that in this game, and he has made valid points in each one. But remember, I don't find not contributing heavily suscipcious, I'm just prodding him to do more cause I know he's alot better than me and can really help. | ||
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So, here's the dillema. We have a new player, Annul, who admits to having played mafia on irc before(albeit i do not know extent.) And he hasn't contributed at all to the town. He's voted three different times in the day, which would be ok except he hasn't been giving real reasons why. And then there's NB, who's made several arguments that town should do anti town things(medic not protect anyone for example.) Then he accused Dr. H and coag of being possibly related when its obvious they are not(well, they could be, but the evidence doesn't really support that right now.) Very suscipcious as well. I'm stuck over which should be lynched, but I'm fine with either. + Show Spoiler + Also, I have a horrifying feeling I'm being led by Dr. H over coagulations alignment and they're actually scum buddies who just soft claimed blue so that they can draw away medic protection. But that's just because I'm scared of Dr. H. Hehe, the only reason I post this so that if it turns out its true, I can be like "AHA! I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!" despite the fact I'm doing actions otherwise :p | ||
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