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I will run for it, as I believe I am not mentally handicapped (arguable) and my role can help in a way, but I'll get to that if there is a likelihood of myself being the actual mayor. I will rule with an iron fist, that occasionally sprouts moss, so my hard hands do not feel so violent on my small kittens. I am fantastic in these RNG situations, because I am extremely lucky. And I am most definetly not a mafia. And I can prove it! I think. | ||
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On October 29 2010 07:47 Hyperbola wrote: Citizens of Insania, I would like to announce my candidacy for mayor. In light of recent events, most importantly the town's development of many new powers, a new system of government must emerge to quell the chaos that is this town. It has come to our attention that the local mafia has begun to exploit their new abilities and are now aiming for total control of this fine community. In order to successfully repel them, a properly organized inner circle of supertownies must be established. This new circle needs leadership and commitment, and I believe I am the man for the job. Vote for Order! Vote Hyperbola! On October 29 2010 07:49 CubEdIn wrote: *heads to the voting thread to vote for Hyperbola* *giggles* See, this is bad, we can't have this. Look how much nonsense he spouted. No of that means anything. IT MEANS NOTHING. Then this dude just votes for him? Sorry charlie not having it. You need to be voting for me. If I am not voed in, I will be  Then I will become a Pandain/BM (without the getting modkilled part) and just bug everyone. But if I am! I will be :D Everything will go under my scrutinizer eye and no one will get any biased treatment. Except for maybe Ace, who I owe some respect for that penalty mafia game. He's allowed to do his own thing and not vote for me. | ||
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On October 29 2010 09:14 annul wrote: "This is an open setup. Roles will not be disclosed. There may or may not be a third party active in the game. The basic setup however will be 19 town-aligned players against 6 mafia players." theres more than 25 players now do you want to update this "basic setup" count? ps where was it announced that there are to be no PMs in this game? In the OP! Because Artanis says they are OP! Which is fair enough. I also have a plan of action that would require some protection regarding what I can do. If someone has a better plan and could use bodyguard protection, please step forward. | ||
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I suggest sifting through that and if you are not sure how to make use of yours, search about what you can do. No role is useless! Fairly safe to say we have doctor(s), vet(s), DT(s) and vigi(s). And I think it's roughly 15%(?) of players are mafia in a standard game. Mafia should have a bunch of complimentary roles considering every towny has some special ability. | ||
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On October 29 2010 09:50 NB wrote: im confused... so bodyguard(s) is a role? T_T (a mafia should read this post and assume that im not a bodyguard and they wont kill me :3) It's like a secondary role, such as the person voted mayor will still have there same role regardless. Bodyguards are a secret, but I think the mayor can see who they are. I'm also throwing a guess that because there is no public pardoner, someone has a secret role pertaining to lynch avoiding or something. 39 people is alot of roles to dish out, so Im eager to see what we are dealing with in the future. | ||
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On October 29 2010 09:45 Hyperbola wrote: An interesting strategy. You call me out on my magnificent speech and then proceed to say almost nothing yourself. Then you direct attention away from yourself and give the illusion of trying to help town by saying random things about the game. I don't think Cube was being serious when he posted that, but I however, was. I am very adept at organization and strategic play. Although I may have not been in as many mafia games and tend to stay quiet, I can still manage a team and have done so in games I was mafia in. The same skills can apply to town if we are able to sort out who's who and create a legitimate town circle. Furthermore, I am very adept at sorting out what's what's legitimate and what's bullshit. Unless there are some specific roles which may overcome my keen eye, I can guarantee you that there will be NO leaks in the town circle if I am voted mayor. As for the issue of whether I am mafia or not... you can be damn well sure that the first person to announce their candidacy for mayor as I did had better be really fucking good at defending themselves from clues if they're mafia. Other than that fact, I cannot guarantee anything. But that is what most elections are: a leap of faith. I'm curious how you would go about forming a town circle. Considering the PM rules. And there are no clues in this game, unless you mean something else like slip-ups. It seems for someone claiming they have such a keen-eye, you don't read the OP very well. I don't think this makes you scummy, you just don't stand out as an experienced player if we put aside how smart you will be as mayor. | ||
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On October 29 2010 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The Mafia only has 2 conventional KP. I can say no more. I think this clarifies that mafia will have some wiggity whack roles to compensate some things. Which isn't a surprise. Be careful about what you think is certain in this game. | ||
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On October 29 2010 10:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: thanks for the useless no info post my guess is that the mafia has a role that can infect someone with murrayitis. if this is the case that role is our #1 target as town and is the role that mafia would probably want to have as mayor, since mayor is generally immune to rolechecks and special roles can not usually be godfather True. I hope they cant just go out right and infect the mayor like that I'm guessing people who can visit contract it as well. It said no one has it yet, so unless they can use it on day1... who knows? | ||
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On October 29 2010 10:10 NB wrote: please explain more on this, im REALLY confused... i wana be mayor but i cant be a role without understanding it first >.< Well you have to be elected. Mayor cannot die to mafia unless all of his bodyguards are dead (as far as we know), who are chosen at random after mayor is picked. He CAN be lynched and often is is there is a lot of suspicion on him. He gets additional voting power also. It's a strong position but it's far from game winning. A good townie mayor can be worked around by mafia, especially without PMs. A mafia mayor can be worked around by town also  | ||
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On October 29 2010 10:15 Hyperbola wrote: Psha. It appears it is you who did not read the first post very well. Did you forget about the existence of irc or other forums? Town circles are not limited to the teamliquid forum and can be carried out elsewhere. >.< I think it's assumed that there is no form of communication allowed regarding the game unless it's in this thread or you are told otherwise... Plus how would you go about telling people of your IRC and forums without PMing them...? | ||
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On October 29 2010 10:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sorry guys, I botched up the definition of Murrayitis completely. This is the 100% correct definition. Murrayitis Mechanics. The amount of people infected with Murrayitis is posted at the start of the day. Murrayitis is transferred if a carrier is visited, or visits someone during the night. Doctors can cure someone from Murrayitis. While Plague Doctors can cure and transfer immunity to someone with Murrayitis. If over half of the Game has Murrayitis, every carrier of Murrayitis dies. Damn, with so many roles, this is gonna hurt. But it does hit mafia too Im sure. Sounds like Plague doctor is pro-town, so if they pick out solid townies as his visits, they can put it in our favor if this event happens. I'm assuming half also does not include dead people also, so this has a high chance of happening. But assuming mafia is the source, it will be harder for it to infect them if they pick and choose the initial infected. Very interesting. | ||
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On October 29 2010 11:02 Misder wrote: Now that I think about it, I'm more unsure about the mass roleclaiming thing I suggested. My main concern is that there isn't a concrete way to confirm anyone. And, as Fishball stated, nothing is preventing the mafia from making roles up that have passive abilities, or claim vigi. Yeah, don't mass roleclaim, unless you're me, and you roleclaim and don't afraid of anything. I think I've claimed in the past 5 game I've played by day 2. But I'm insane so it's appropriate. We also have to lynch someone hopefully no one falls prey to OMGUS. I've already seen blatant WIFOM against Dr.H and myself I guess. Remember to avoid WineInFrontOfMe, think "Hm, am I eliminating any option with this thought process." Listing that we can both be mafia, both town, 1mafia/1 town does not really take out any options. That is WIFOM!It's also been discussed to death in previous games that voting someone based on what role they have been in the past is ILLOGICAL and SILLY. If you can prove "He's acting like he did when he was mafia" well then that's all good in the hood. I want reasons. And usually you can fin something you dont mean in the wiki, or right here! Terms that people use | ||
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On October 29 2010 12:14 Ace wrote: Maybe I should run for Mayor? LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU. We also need to decide the first person to kill, which is often hard with little information. I say we kill a mayor candidate, as it might increase our chances, based on when and how they claimed to run. Of course they might not run at all, but with such ambiguity in what roles are present, you could really fake some nasty stuff. I wouldn't pass up that opportunity. | ||
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On October 29 2010 12:19 Pandain wrote: Mayor determines first day kill. oh the irony  + Show Spoiler + <3 Typical Pandain viewing mayor as a tyrannical role. Mayor needs to mesh townie togetha foreva. Gotta keep da love our house. REVERSE IRONY. SUPER EFFECTIVE. + Show Spoiler + </3+ Show Spoiler + ...+ Show Spoiler + <3 | ||
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Bandwagoning usually narrows it down. If someone wins by a landslide, mafia either doesnt care about mayor, or there is a mafia mayor. This puts enormous amounts of suspicion on them which is very bad for scum-mayors. Doesn't happen often or when mafia is very laid-back. Anti-bandwagoning is generally pro-town, as there are certain to be townies who ran for the position. It leads to more options for everyone and alot more analysis for town to do. If we are talking about lynching, bandwagoning usually means lynchee isn't scum, unless mafia are busing properly. You need to pay attention to who votes what and when. In this format, I'd imagine there is some role that can check some vote-list for mafia and such. Very strong role that is helped by split votes. I think it's safe to say that I'm generally anti-bandwagon unless there is good reasons. | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:04 Pandain wrote: As for this, what the fadoodle? Bandwagoning is NEVER good, townies should make logical decisions. Either this was a horrible attempt at fishing or your just a clueless scum :/. Hopefully the latter. I think that's a bit narrow-minded. Sometimes what you can draw from an outcome can be more enlightening as the outcome itself. Bandwagoning without reason is always bad, as if I just said "We will kill pandain today, that is all" But if I say "We should kill pandain because so-and-so said such-and-such meaning we can clarify this-and-that and our odds of winning are better." I don't think bandwagoning means without reason, I think it means everyone getting behind a vote for a reason, and sometimes that reason is perfectly justifiable, while most of the time it isn't. | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:27 LunarDestiny wrote: One way that dts can create circle is to post their finding in a encrypted message and post on this very thread and use their mod pm as the encryption code. That way, only dts (or any blue role) can communication with each others (assuming that all dt (or any blue role) role pms are the same). While this would be neat, it's dangerous and might lead to some confusion. I think one game people tried to accuse each other based on the nature of the role PM it got. Turns out both mods sent out the PMs and they varied a bit, and they dropped the whole conversation. But if someone wants to hint at how their PM was made it could be clever way to figure out who is the same role as you, but without PMs, you can't really deduce more then that unless you invent your own secret codes in the middle of a mafia game. Masons or something along those lines could use it I suppose. I just don't want you banking on this, and I don't want mafia being able to blue-snipe better because some fellow is talking in riddles. | ||
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but thats for the future, eager to see how this progresses.VERY SUSPICIOUS FISHBALL. | ||
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On October 29 2010 14:31 orgolove wrote: At this point, I haven't seen Pandein or bumatlarge bring anything more to the table. Especially considering: 1. bumatlarge voted for himself within a minute after the game started -_- without providing anything he could bring to the table 2. Pandein, who kinda sorta lied in Haunted mafia: I haven't seen any better candidate yet. I've stated that I have a plan, but Fishball's does it much faster. And now that he's already stated it, I'll back out. I don't think it makes him any more town then me, and I don't think it puts me in any real danger, because mafia can glean from what I've stated that I'm not a strong-blue. Everyone has a role | ||
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Just gonna trow some stuff out here. Plague doctor makes one player immune to M-rus per night. If he can use it on Fishball, that would be pretty nice, even if he can't be rolechecked (unless he cant be M-rused...) Otherwise popular players are good targets too. Essentially you will act like a medic, protecting the innocent! Sounds like you will be incredibly important. I wonder if PDs are already immune to the M-rus, appears reasonable. | ||
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...I'm deliberating whether we should all claim whether or not we are in this circle or not to at least root out that... though 6 is an easy number to check, wouldn't see it relevant number to choose unless he would handpick from his scumbuddies if he secured himself. Wondering if I should just stick with my thing. | ||
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On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mason so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambit somehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more Well gee, that's curious. I wonder if we go back to bumatlarge's posts and why he said Fishball's method, if true, was faster, what we can put together. Well, I suppose his reasons are still unknown then? Do not vote pandain. Vote anyone but pandain. I say it should be me or fishball. FOR OBVIOUS REASONS STATED ABOVE. I never really retracted my run :/ misinformation! And when I get back from work I'm gonna really go through what people are spreading around. | ||
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I don't have any other role, but I can easily access any circle already made if they are pro town. I don't have anything to hide now, and I guarantee everything I do will have crystal clear reasons as to why. The only thing I will not tell you is who. I believe my method will work slower then fishball, but it will be more effective later on. It's not all that dangerous if I am not mayor, but it can be really strong if I am mayor. I dont think anyone aside from fishball has hinted that they can do this. It should be between me and him. | ||
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On October 29 2010 18:08 bumatlarge wrote: The fact that fishball came out a little late on this is weird, what was he waiting for? Maybe he was talking with his posse? ...I'm deliberating whether we should all claim whether or not we are in this circle or not to at least root out that... though 6 is an easy number to check, wouldn't see it relevant number to choose unless he would handpick from his scumbuddies if he secured himself. Wondering if I should just stick with my thing. | ||
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1) I know Im town, and will work in every way possible to make everything clear to everyone on what is happening. 2) I can make bodyguards in my circle! 100% confirmed townies, so if im poisoned or lynched, I can pass on all my info to them. How you will verify them though, might be a tad confusing. I hope to figure that out, and Im open to ideas. 3) I WONT FUCK IT UP. (Fairly sure fishball wont either if he isnt red) Again, Im fairly certain it should be between fishball and I, because we can make circles happen, and he has stated that he has the power to flesh out the weeds of his. I'd like for him to address connecting circles through me, that would be cool. I need to catch up now, I was working. Also, if a person is contaminated with M-rus in the night, and they are visited that same night, do the visitors contract it? This is very important, because if medics protect him, we need to know how the M-rus functions. | ||
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On October 30 2010 06:10 Pandain wrote: Alright this is pretty bad for town. Alot of people would be alot safer if everyone didn't decide to run for mayor because they need "protection." because honestly, the best protection is secrecy. Now only one of us will win the election, and the rest of us will be sniped off. Also, Bum, whats with anyone but me? I'd like to hear your reasons instead of just words. Merely because you havent hinted at what you could do besides be a mayor. I think every candidate has stated what he is capable of. You, not really... On October 30 2010 10:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: top medic targets should be: ace bumatlarge fishball Dangerous to be suggesting these things with M-rus around, but I will get to that. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable. So why is it important that you're mayor? I can't coordinate blues and plague doctors if I'm dead. It's also very beneficial to the town to have a mayor that can confirm himself as blue, doubly so if he can be inducted into a town circle. After I am confirmed to be not mafia and am immune to night kills, by being inducted into the circle I can do two things: 1. coordinate blues in the circle further and use myself as a mouthpiece for their communication in the thread. 2. keep an eye on suspicious activity within the circle and relay this information to the town. If I'm not inducted into the circle, I can still easily coordinate doctor action within the thread itself. How can I be sure you are town? + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2010 11:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I can understand why people maybe don't want me to be mayor over fishball but trying to paint me as scum is ludicrous. Let's say I am mafia. I am faking a role in which I confirm my role to another player each night. To fake this I must get another mafia to pretend that I did this each day, who would probably be DT checked immediately throwing me under suspicion. I don't want to say exactly how my second ability works but I can reliably show my powers in helping to stop the spread of the plague. Faking this would be much quicker. It would be incredibly easy to catch me in this lie and since the results of my actions are reflected in the murrayitis numbers and the success of plague doctors, it isn't really something I can pull off. I am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill. An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote. In a normal mafia game, the mayor has 3 extra votes, complete immunity from night actions. A DT can check the mayor for godssake. So for me to pull this off all of the following are true: I am mafia I am godfather I can get the mafia to pretend I am confirming to them without ever being caught I can fake a role that involves stopping the spread of murrayitis which isn't a possibility. Consider all of that for the benefit a mafia player would be going for: extra vote immunity to vigs and also weight the con a mafia has from being mayor: guaranteed DT visit immense pressure/scrutiny from town it really is nonsensical, added to the fact that I can prove my role is what I say it is after the night, there is really nothing here to paint me as scum. If it's made up bullshit, and thats what you believe, then I'm handing you my life and the lives of my scumbuddies on a plate. I'm not a good neighbor. I can not be confirmed by Artanis to be town aligned. However it's as simple as this: 1. I can show my power to the town that is consistent with the role I claimed 2. The nature of the role itself is one that is expressly anti-mafia which can also be demonstrated. Ok. What do you offer aside from your role? I don't like the idea of someone campaigning on their role alone. Independence. A lot of mayors talk about how they're "with the town" and "they'll act for the town" and things like this. This is the opposite of what the mayor should do. With a mayor who is confirmed to be town aligned, acting independently is important to avoid the prevalence of mafia bandwagons. Mafia have the full voting power of their membership. If they are able to manipulate the mayor as well, they can add an additional 2 votes to their poor bandwagon. Having a mayor who doesn't take things at face value and get manipulated by mafia bandwagons is very important. 2 people have already criticized my scumhunting as being bad (even though I've never been townie before so they can't really base it on anything) but I can tell you it isn't. I've been mafia every single game I've been in and I know how the play. I've been a scum mayor before and I know how they play and what they do. I know what gets under the mafias skin. I have a plan for going about scumhunting and it isn't always obvious. But it's something I'm doing constantly and when I feel I'm ready to lay down the hammer of justice, I will. And I will always provide the utmost amount of reason and logic to everything I do. None of my actions will go unexplained, at the end of the day. So that's why I'm running and that's why I feel you should vote for me. Choose wisely town :3 I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die. Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. | ||
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On October 30 2010 13:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I am not plague doctor. I can not cure murrayitis, I can determine 100% who has it. Thus I can direct plague doctors to act reliably. I might as well say how my power works. Once during the night I can poke someone. They will be informed that they were poked by me. Artanis sends this PM. If the poke is successful, I am told and this means they do not have M-rus. A person with M-rus cannot be poked and I will be told by Artanis that they have murrayitis. This is why earlier in the thread (much earlier) i said there was a 1/39 chance my confirmation would fail. Also I am completely immune to M-Rus, I can not be infected with it under any circumstance. Plague doctors should not protect me. This will free up more doctors to protect more people. By giving me immunity from night kills, medics won't have to waste their time on me, even though I'm a big target to mafia, and they can play more effectively. Alright I appreciate your honesty. You would be useful in checking and guiding townie plague doctors, and it doesn't sound like a misleading mafia role unless your lying. I'd rather have a plague doctor as mayor to try my plan, but I can't go around saying SOMEONE CLAIM PLAGUE DOCTOR LOL. I think you've already gotten alot of cred for roleclaiming, so I wouldn't mind you as mayor. Having you immune to M-rus is a huge plus as mayor. I dont find you to be a likely scum, but as people have been linking you and I together for some reason, I won't tell people they should vote for you. I'd like to be mayor because I can manage circles behind my bodyguards. Id rely on a lot of town help, what with being able to be poisoned and such, but I don't mind being a night hit, and I dont mind being investigated, as it's not a useless check, giving some credit to the circles I can form. It's your move town. | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:44 infinitestory wrote: Full agreeal The fact that nobody provided a non-WIFOM solution to the scenario I proposed, coupled with the relative worthlessness of DrH's ability (in terms of needing bodyguards), has made me change my vote back to myself. You can't really create a non-wifom arguement on the first day without anything happening. Everything is speculation, words or lies. Policies that a mayor will carry out are often why someone is voted in. I can make a circle. I have access to a number of confirmed townies who I can keep information with I am poisoned or lynched for whatever reason. I will relate everything that happens in the circle excluding names. Dr. H stated his policy and plans in a lovely format and fishball did as well I think. | ||
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well better not get into that, at least he proved fishball's circle wish is a big plus for him, doubt any purposeful modkilling happened here, just seems like coincidence. And it seems there mght be alot of 'tidbits' to everyone's role that's not revealed in the PM. I've got a bad feeling about mine hopefully it's something good lol.I need to look through this thread some more. | ||
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My power lets me have a permanent mason relationship with someone the rest of the game. They dont know who else I add each day, and they cannot PM anyone but me. So if im red, i can distort everything to hell. But if I start spreading misinformation, I'd like to think that the people I choose would be smart enough to catch it. And even if M-rus works that it immediately contracts to the person who visits, and then contracts to the person who visits them, I cannot contract it, because I can do it at the start of each day, so people who protect and investigate me are under no danger unless I am plagued. If I am immune, I cannot contract it when I add people, so I feel like a worthy candidate of having a PD vaccinate me. | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: SiNiquity is my first choice at the moment. Similar post to youngminii but I feel more confident that his actual vote was scummy than youngs. I feel that Pandain or BumAtLarge have the highest chances of being scum mayor so I'm looking at their supporters and posting atm. There is some truth to this, I've been looking through the thread and I've noticed a little something relevant. I think a few of us have suggested lynching a candidate. If there was no mafia candidate, I'd imagine a few scum would say that would seem like a good idea. But it was basically you, fishball and myself who have hinted at doing this. No one commented on it. I think it's likely one of the candidates are scum. Though we only really mentioned it when we were looking like we were gaining soe ground in the race. Kill Pandain I say :D | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:46 NB wrote: check this out.... it seems like 1 mafia has been spotted :D wait... so would this person not have to vote, would their vote not count, or if it came own to it, would it not influence the winner? | ||
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On November 01 2010 10:06 Ace wrote: Lexpar said if he dies Dr.H is scum. So I'm guessing he has something that lets him know if he survives the Mayor is legit. I'm not worried about what the Mafia might do because honestly all this WIFOM bullshit is stalling the scumhunt. Let's just keep everything simple shall we? Early Day 1 bumatlarge and Pandain are the main two Mayor candidates. Later on Fishball throws his hat in the ring and gets some votes. Dr.H who first supported Fishball, eventually also runs for Mayor garnering enough votes to win While all of this was going on Fishball, bumatlarge and Dr.H revealed information about their roles. We don't know what the Mafia knows about the game, but from my POV Dr.H saying he could confirm himself is probably a hindrance to the Scum more than Fishball's circle, especially since Fishball hasn't claimed an investigative ability. Night 1 - Dr. H attempts an action and he isn't sure if it worked or not. Now before this action happens ask yourself how strongly you believed in Dr.H being pro-town. If you believed so then there's a damn good chance he indeed was roleblocked. No need to keep wondering about what if's or who's playing a trick on you. A confirmed townie is dangerous and if Dr.H is telling the truth then Scum would indeed want to roleblock him. I think it's important to note how much shit Dr. H is getting. If I know Dr. H, hes familiar with mafia. Often times in games when you are roleblocked, you receive a PM informing you of such. If Dr. H was lying, I'd imagine he'd say he got a PM saying so. So here is what we can deduce. 1. Dr. H is town, is poke was stopped by a silent RB. 2. Dr. H is mafia, and we can assume this silent RB exists. 3. There was some other interference involving the recipient, jcarl. Either he is lying, some other ability came into play from the interaction, or someone else was poked by another ability. So if you were poked, it very important, and reletively safe, for you to claim you were. | ||
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I was going over node's posts, and his role, and was getting really suspicious until I read this. On November 01 2010 08:05 Node wrote: At the beginning of the day, I am informed of a person who will die during the night. This is why I believe the "+1" of the mafia's 2+1 KP is not murrayitis related. If I had to guess, I would say that it's a randomly chosen townie, as I can't see the mafia having a predetermined hit at the beginning of the day, especially on the first day. I must have missed it the first time. It explains alot, and it's a dangerous thing to claim. We should keep him safe. If there is a bomber, he will be reluctant to be used early on, and it will give us alot of info, plus id imagine the insane variant of a SB will be pretty.... insane. You should tell us who will die regardless, we might not even want to protect them as their death would confirm you and that person as 100% townies in my eyes. They could say some last words, and we wouldnt have to be suspicious of them. | ||
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The only thing holding me back is how very thin a ruse this would be as mafia. What would it even do... | ||
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Fairly ceretain that is a message mafia is allowed to convey. It has been done in other games. To debate on what the words mean just leads to WIFOM, but observing the way they are delivered on the other hand... | ||
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Come now glasse use that vibrant imagination of yours. You can be the official GM whisperer. Look at things and tell us what they really mean. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 1. DoctorHelvetica - Mayor. Claims role checks for virus, used on jcarl night1, no results. 2. Hyperbola - 3. Bumatlarge - Claims he can add a person to be a personal mason each day. Ran for mayor 4. Veldril 5. Pandain - Ran for mayor. At odds with Dr. H? 6. Aeres - Claimed BG and captain role that lets hi leave at night with restrictions. Says the BG claim was a lie. 7. deconduo 8. Coagulation 9. annul Bullet Bill / Bodyguard - Mayor candidate, real BG, if there is only 1. 10. infundibulum 11. Amber[LighT] 12. Kenpachi 13. lol1221 RebirthOfLegend 14. Nemesis 15. ghrur 16. KtheZ 17. QuickStriker Angsty Pardoner - Result of +1 kp of mafia? (node oracle) 18. CubEdIn 19. Meapak_Ziphh 20. SiNiquity Self-Conscious Vigilante 21. DCLXVI 22. Divinek 23. Lexpar 24. ShmotZ Mafia Do-Gooder - never used vote, part of fishball circle 25. Orgolove ADD Doctor - modkilled, fishball circle 26. Node - Claims oracle, can see where +1 mafia kp will strike 27. youngminii 28. jcarlsoniv - claims he was never poked by Dr. H 29. BrownBear Vote Rigger 30. Infinitestory 31. Masq L 32. NB 33. Meeple Glasse 34. Misder 35. kingjames01 Self-Conscious Lazy Vigilante 36. Ace 37. Fishball - Is in confirmed (orgolove) circle of 6. Only 3 remain. Claims he can determine alignment of his circle. 38. kitaman27 39. LunarDestiny 24 of 30 Town-aligned roles remaining 8 of 9 Mafia-aligned roles remaining 1 BG Murraytis spreads to visitors and visitees. 3 People infected. Radio Loony lets a message be sent by some player. | ||
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On November 02 2010 06:17 bumatlarge wrote: I'm going to make a brief player summary list. Nothing fancy, please quote to add FACTS not opinions. I'm doing this from memory just to help myself remember exactly what concrete things have happened. + Show Spoiler + 1. DoctorHelvetica - Mayor. Claims role checks for virus, used on jcarl night1, no results. 2. Hyperbola - 3. Bumatlarge - Claims he can add a person to be a personal mason each day. Ran for mayor 4. Veldril 5. Pandain - Ran for mayor. At odds with Dr. H? 6. Aeres - Claimed BG and captain role that lets hi leave at night with restrictions. Says the BG claim was a lie. 7. deconduo 8. Coagulation 9. (DEAD)annul - Bullet Bill / Bodyguard - Mayor candidate, real BG, if there is only 1. 10. infundibulum 11. Amber[LighT] 12. Kenpachi 13. RebirthOfLegend 14. Nemesis 15. Beneather 16. KtheZ 17. (DEAD)QuickStriker - Angsty Pardoner - Result of +1 kp of mafia? (node oracle) fishball circle 18. CubEdIn - Neo medic, picked blue pill, mafia know who he is? can prot hiself 19. Meapak_Ziphh 20. (DEAD)SiNiquity - Self-Conscious Vigilante 21. DCLXVI 22. Divinek 23. Lexpar 24. (DEAD)ShmotZ - Mafia Do-Gooder - never used vote, part of fishball circle 25. (DEAD)Orgolove - ADD Doctor - modkilled, fishball circle 26. Node - Claims oracle, can see where +1 mafia kp will strike 27. youngminii 28. jcarlsoniv - claims he was never poked by Dr. H 29. (DEAD)BrownBear - Vote Rigger 30. Infinitestory 31. L 32. NB 33. Glasse - claims radio loony poster 34. Misder 35. (DEAD)kingjames01 - Self-Conscious Lazy Vigilante 36. Ace 37. Fishball - Is in confirmed (orgolove) circle of 6. Only 3 remain. Claims he can determine alignment of his circle. 38. kitaman27 39. LunarDestiny 24 of 30 Town-aligned roles remaining 8 of 9 Mafia-aligned roles remaining 1 BG Murraytis spreads to visitors and visitees. 3 People infected. | ||
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updated my list Day 3 is usually a good day for information to start coming forward, so I expect to see lots of things. I think everyone who has claimed a role has done so for decent reasons (except Aeres). If you are keeping your role to yourself and it has long term benefits like DT, you need to try to figure out a way to get your info out. I have PM powers, fishball has some too, and I dont think we are the only ones. I think if you are similar to a plague doc, keep adding on those vaccination to players you think will make alot of night traffic, because with perfect vaccinations, that m-rus might never hit. Unlikely though, only 16 need to be infected, and we'll be lucky if we have 3 immune roles. Remember your role is never pointless (GLASSE) there is always some reason the mod put your role in the game that you might not be aware of. | ||
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On November 03 2010 08:02 Glasse wrote: I thought about it and didnt see anything useful about it without access to pm. i would not have thought about anything else anyway so it would have been as useless as it is now Well it might be useless now, but hmmmm who in this game has claimed they can PM people.... sorry, deja vu, i recall saying this exact statement to someone else. | ||
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I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day. | ||
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On November 03 2010 11:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Once this game is over I'm gonna find someone to teach me how to do analysis posts because I don't know how to quote everything I want to but I said I'd take a closer look at bumatlarge and I feel like I found some good stuff. This is before and after the night post. I know divine outside of TL mafia. I don't think he remembered that he was playing. Maybe he hasn't been paying attention but Doc is definetly not a clearer townie Maybe you haven't been paying attention, so explain to me why DocH isn't a clearer townie day by day not confirmed. He is by no means confirmed. Role Fishing maybe? rofl for a plague doctor to use his power on me? Are you even playing this game or reading how things happen in this game He makes a list of players and their actions but it's not really anything new, it feels like he's scum trying to act like town. He posts a lot of small, rather irelevent posts that make him look active but are actually pretty substanceless. Is this his power? Why haven't we heard more about it? It's been long enough for him to use it. Yes, I am the one not paying attention this game. He makes a couple apologies for being inactive Here's his reason for voting for our dear mayor. I can't even believe how much misinformation you are spreading around. Do I really need to explain this stuff? I said if he was claiming plague doctor, we could check him to see, and it would be a much more valuable mayor then the 'sticky' version. Someone help me out, what does he mean by this post? He can make body guards? ROFL? I'm sorry, I think you need to read the thread again, or at least look who was running for mayor. Here's where he first talks about his role, a role easily faked by scum (like fishballs but fishball was proved innocent and I think that makes it even more likely the bum is lying). SHIT I have to go but I'm gonna post this anyway... I'll be back. It seems you are a bit confused as to the reasons why I would be scummy at all. And Dr. H is in my circle. So is one other that I wont disclose. Everything you have said derives from your inconsistent understanding of what is happening. Someone else post a better analysis if you are really going to be suspicious of me, which I find on the other hand to be completely reasonable since I am the only candidate with one mafia to have voted for me and no confirmed townies. And if anyone wants to link Dr. H and I, go ahead. | ||
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On November 03 2010 13:14 kitaman27 wrote: If the mafia indeed only has one plague doctor, then DrH could consider using his sticky ability to identify someone who has a strong chance of already having m-rus and then that person can attempt to use their role to infect other mafia suspects, as a sort of weapon. Wow get out of my head kitaman SHHHH | ||
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On November 03 2010 16:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: yeah i was mad about it but i can pm | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Iidprtmttt,tattIofIc1sewttkfsIab.IhtsItyst,bItys.ntidlepcoi.paihbptfambdtcmiilo otwbiwts/watpbtsiihut3papsoatmauteaaadmat.toillsicciatpaieiasahhasiihhhpiawhuw igoonhahapgamfmipahitpmgpianvgacbvembasmiipvdthdwhwp-tihlmgiwhwvianre/mhawsatwhiptgmmthigha/ofeaiasasihismtwhishwptetawaetnobolbb hpcbem(aiwbm)absahraptas/apitg.yisosbsahtammthim.iawbhagtfadcatlkaeohhcbdbt si.MZadamt2stapaalaitwpotab,1o2otapm.mem.aiattcrdpaprdocbatpwcdoiapilvipattsb ttinrfamtcoaimknotwyattdwilpttaalosrfdblipfas/idodattth YEAH THATS RIGHT, WATCH ME FUCK WITH THIS ONE. I CANT EVEN TYPE WORDS RIGHT ANYMORE. | ||
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L and Ace havent really been speaking with each other much unless I missed a bit. That open for alot of interpretation and alot of WIFOM. Maybe they are both afraid to open a can of worms on each other, meaning that one might be town or both, or both wary mafia or one wary mafia. Oh look wifom already. Maybe they are both satisfied that mafia havent targeted them yet. or they wont be targeted..... You two just have an aura of wifom, dont you? I hope mafia hits dr. h and I hope a medic chances a protect. Cube, dont say for sure what you are going to do, say you are "leaning against it" or something. Or maybe thats your plan. Oh look town favored wifom. JUST HELPIN YOU BRO. For actual content here is what you say and do cube. RNG. 50% you 25% him 25% her whambam you get to do what you want. Thats what I followed in the PYP game, did i rng? FUCK NO LOL I JUST PICKED BATMAN. And got it while being on the bottom of the list. I think Ace enjoyoed hosting that game. Im tryign to think of more to say but im mentally exhausted from working and physically drunk. But it looks like its not enough. | ||
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On November 04 2010 07:12 KtheZ wrote: Just wondering, whats a stick/oracle/masonmaker? To add to your points: I agree that it is highly unlikely for there to be 3+ medics, mainly for the reasons you stated. Since we have lost 2 plague doctors ( Mafia and townie ones), it would probably to be safe to assume theres a HARD MAXIMUM OF 3 left, and a likely minimum of one that is town aligned. So now since M-itis has become a HUGE kill factor in this game, I'd like to point out this observation: All townies should consider if they really NEED to perform their role; Weigh out the risks and benefits of performing your role. Right now, 3 people out of 28 are infected, so there is a ~11% chance of infection (3/27) if you decide to act. Of course, people like PD, medic, VITAL power roles should act, but what im trying to throw out is to: ATTEMPT TO CONTAIN THE SPREAD OF M-ITIS RATHER THAN SPREADING IT. This post is intended to deter people from performing their roles without WEIGHING OUT THE RISKS. If m-rus was randomly distributed, it would favor town with deaths and information. Fantastic for town. It just matters how clever mafia is with the disease, and how retarded town is with their visits. | ||
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On November 04 2010 07:20 KtheZ wrote: Wait how would it favor town in deaths and information? The only information we get is who died, their role, and how much the disease has spread. The information gleaned is relatively useless if the people are dead, isnt it? Scum infect important people, important people are hopefully smart about who they visit. Other blues are smart about who they visit. First night kills obviously indicate where reds are spreading their virus. The infected are all smart townies, so maybe they in turn visit who they feel is scum. I said "IF RANDOM" it just matters how smart mafia is with their picks. It could POTENTIALLY lead to a good outcome for us. I feel hope for this, because I would have killed silent good players while infecting the outspoken less-experienced. I think mafia did the opposite. | ||
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On November 04 2010 07:30 L wrote: Its probably not randomly distributed, because the vast majority of roles that visit other during the night that have flipped thusfar are protection roles, meaning that the most important players in the game are going to be rapidly M-rused. I don't think we have 3 Pds left. 1 would be the likely maximum. With 5 total, the game would be largely immunized and M-rus wouldn't kill anyone. This is true. I do assume townie omnipotence with my optimism. On November 04 2010 07:34 L wrote: It wasn't you that missed a bit. It was me. I missed an entire day because I was subbed in. Dunno what arguing with Ace would do. I tried my best to not have Day 2 focus on something other than the Aeres cause that DrH/Miini/Ace pushed, so take that for what you will. Dinner time. Later brosefs. Also true, hope you plan on interacting later. There is a good chance the entire mafia team doesnt have alot of experience between them. | ||
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http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Backup But since artanis revealed a hidden mechanic about the role, I doubt it. I will continue my endeavors, but for now, I must finish playing Braid. | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:37 LunarDestiny wrote: Wait... my statement of Coagulation flicking Booger at a random mafia member which I say is Pandain is not wrong. Coagulation say he is a retard and can fling booger (we will know after the lynch). The mod post in the voting thread say booger is flung to a random mafia member. The mafia member "ran out". Pandain is hit with "green substance" who also "ran out". So the question is booger can be green right... I don't really pick my booger so I don't know. I apologize for posting but having vast experience on this subject matter, I found myself incapable of not answering this question. Boogers are composed of dried nasal mucus, and are often a dark yellow color, and occasionally carry a greenish hue, but only the most veteran nosepickers are informed of this. Fun fact, a little less then half of adults have eaten their snot and have enjoyed it. Snot is meant to be consumed regardless, as mucus normally gets swallowed after cilia sends it down the hatch. Feasting on others' boogers is generally shunned upon as the mucus may carry foriegn bacteria harmful to different bodies. | ||
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