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On November 01 2010 12:45 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:36 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 12:31 youngminii wrote:
His 'lies' are more like promises that turned out to be untrue due to unforeseen circumstances.
Do you not see what's happening?
Someone: So DrH I think you might be lying because of x
DrH: Well I wasn't lying but y happened so it looks like I was lying about x but there might also be the possibility of z (ie. he's covering all bases)
Pandain: So you expect us to believe you about y AND z? How convenient that you came up with them (then he goes back to the original arguments that DrH already covered)
Just stop it. I'm sorry, but I refuse to simply ignore the alignment of our mayor. I am in no way convinced he is a townie, even if you are. Knowing our mayor has an extra vote still, even if he doesn't have night protection anymore, he is still a power player that deserves additional attention. That's not the point. There's no way of finding out whether or not our Mayor is a blue or a red as of now. The arguments that Pandain is putting up are ridiculous and stretched way too far, if you honestly keep up with your persistent following of this idiocy (I'm talking about his arguments, not Pandain himself) then I'm going to have to label you as scum following a blind argument aimed at taking down a blue mayor.
The first bolded part is an affirmation of all of our worries. We only elected DrH on the premise that we could be sure he is a blue.
The rest of it is evidence-less, just like may of your other posts.
FoS. Youngminii.
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On November 01 2010 12:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Well, now a vote on you has been nullified twice.
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On November 01 2010 12:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:47 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 12:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:38 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:it didn't highlight any lies because at the time I had said it I did not take into account the possibility of my role being insane. when this was brought out i immediately stopped saying it, as would be the reasonable thing to do Nope, for example this post was made after posts about insanity.Bad point. I said my power is to confirm itself to another player. This is still the case and I never retracted that statement. That is my role. To poke another player and confirm my role/name to them. Note I didn't use the term "100%" here.On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
And againAgain I'm not referring to my ability to 100% confirm but your assertion that you can confirm yourself as a townie through your role. which you said you could do without being mayor. Which you ALSO haven't done by the way.On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town.
He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town?
The also implies you can confirm yourself as 100% town, and then says it again.
Here you admit your role is important in its ability to confirm yourself. Yet you continue to run.Not running from it at all. I am openly admitting constaantly that my role has a power that can confirm itself to another player. It seems pretty clear I was roleblocked, it's very simple. I'm not saying "Oh no my role actually can't do that" just that it was prevented from doing so last night.i explained my role and how it worked and how it confirmed to people good for you cute addition ;o you're so snarkyanyone who didn't think of the possibility that that could be roleblocked/affected by busdrivers/affected by the lie of whoever it confirms to needs to take responsibility for that since I explained why I never brought it up in the first place I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke. What Artanis has said recently has made me more confident then ever that my role is not insane and that it does exactly as it says which means I was roleblocked, some other role stopped me from poking, or that jcarls lied alright, so when can we confirm if that's the truth?I suppose when I am not roleblocked and my poke goes through? Or that my poke goes through and the person I poked is honest about it? Perhaps I should poke you and see if you tell the truth about it or not.how is that a lie? if the poke goes through it is a 100% confirmation, that is the power and that is still the power I have. Just stop replying to him, no one except infinitestory (and his scum buddies if he's scum) will listen to him. You'll drag it on too. Why? The more desperate he gets the better everyone can see how scummy he's playing. And how easy it would be for the mafia to turn it against me if I just say nothing at all. Regardless I feel like this a lot of noise designed to distract from the Aeres situation. Pandain is playing pretty scummy, I do agree. However, what scares me is that this is exactly how he played in Haunted against Bill Murray, and he flipped town. So I'm not sure what to think. He might just be a really overzealous Devil's Advocate -_- But I think the argument needs to be dropped. Pandain, we do need to worry about Dr.H's alignment, but you two are saying the same things over and over again, and it is getting us no where. We know both of your stances. If we can move on with discussion, the town will benefit. The longer the town is stalled out on decision making for lynch targets, the more the Mafia benefits.
This is fine. TBH what I'm afraid of is the topic completely dropping after all those promises from DrH that he would confirm his role immediately. Youngminii certainly seemed to be putting it down entirely, which is still worrisome to me.
As for Aeres, his fake roleclaim was a bad move, no doubt. However, I'm not as sure as others that it paints him red. I find that his "slip," in which he insisted on the existence of 2 bodyguards, doesn't make as much sense if he's a red making a fake roleclaim to confuse the town (in which case he might have decided to just put down DC's softclaim and act as the only bodyguard). On the other hand, if he was a town making a fake roleclaim to confuse the mafia, the fact that he was certain of 2 bodyguards makes slightly more sense (because in that case, he has to act as if there are in fact 2 bodyguards).
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On November 01 2010 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:55 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 12:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Well, now a vote on you has been nullified twice. True but one was a vote to make me mayor and the other is a vote to make me dead ;o. Very differnet things don't you think?
To be fair, the Do-Gooder was required to use his vote on a mafia, whether it be during the mayor election or a regular lynch election.
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On November 01 2010 13:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:06 Misder wrote:
I'm going to bring this up again, why do you think mafia chose to kill annul? Do you think they found about him being the bodygaurd? Cause I don't see another reason why mafia would kill him. He didn't make any amazingly good post that would screw mafia over did he? he's an extremely good player and his play in haunted mafia singlehandedly brought the vampires to victory pretty much I'd consider him the best newer player aside from kingjames01. WIFOM but if mafia anticipated medics would protect experienced players he's a sensible hit.
So, the mafia are lynching strong newer players? O_o (kingjames and annul)
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On November 01 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote:
Well then we should kill Aeres and find out, no? ^_^
You're an eager one. Killing someone for the sake of getting information sounds a bit hasty.
I want to see a condensed argument that Aeres is scum rather than just "more scum than town."
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On November 01 2010 14:26 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 14:17 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote:
Well then we should kill Aeres and find out, no? ^_^ You're an eager one. Killing someone for the sake of getting information sounds a bit hasty. I want to see a condensed argument that Aeres is scum rather than just "more scum than town." 1 bodyguard announced. Aeres claims bodyguard after DC's alleged soft claim. Annul dies at night, revealed to be bodyguard. DC says he never role claimed BG. I point out in 3 ways that Aeres screwed up and had to be lying about the claim. He then comes out and says he lied. If you don't think he's Scum then show us someone even Scummier than he.
I have a nagging hunch Aeres made a terrible, terrible play, but I'll agree the case against him is definitely more concrete than anything I have.
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Nemesis, why vote for bum? (did I miss the post in which he provided the reasoning for it?)
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On November 01 2010 14:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
as a placeholder he said
ok, that's fine then
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On November 01 2010 15:04 Fishball wrote:
Speaking of lies, we need to look back whoever started this. All this could just be a ploy.
I honestly never thought the mods would deliberately lie, as that would just be flat out stupid and no one would ever want to play such a game. It was a good thing that Artanis came out and clarified this.
TBH I think I might have started it, based on the fact that orgolove's role PM said he had a 10% chance to kill his target but it was actually 0%. However, I've also stated multiple times that Artanis wouldn't like about something that consequential, like the number of bodyguards. That would make the game far too hard.
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On November 01 2010 15:12 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 15:07 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 15:04 Fishball wrote:
Speaking of lies, we need to look back whoever started this. All this could just be a ploy.
I honestly never thought the mods would deliberately lie, as that would just be flat out stupid and no one would ever want to play such a game. It was a good thing that Artanis came out and clarified this. TBH I think I might have started it, based on the fact that orgolove's role PM said he had a 10% chance to kill his target but it was actually 0%. However, I've also stated multiple times that Artanis wouldn't like about something that consequential, like the number of bodyguards. That would make the game far too hard. I should clarify this. You obviously knew better, and explained with reason after wards like you said. But it is very possible that other players would use this opportunity, and add the "mods might be lying" element into the mix of debate and arguments. This would definitely complicate things a lot and cause a lot of confusion. These are the people we want to look at.
I did a backtrace, and it seems nobody really considered that the mods would lie blatantly until Aeres made his roleclaim. At that point, several people start saying that the mods threw orgolove a curveball, now Aeres claims the mods are lying, what next? Since Aeres has said his claim is fake, we should now put aside the assumption that the mods lie in a manner that would significantly affect gameplay, and perhaps along with it the assumption that there is more than one bodyguard.
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Glasse, just vote for whoever you think is the reddest.
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I voted youngminii because, upon review of his posts, there were several gems in which he hyperadvocated lynching Aeres, basically a very obvious attempt to start a bandwagon with insufficient reasoning. It looked even more scummy than Aeres' lie.
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On November 01 2010 12:43 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:40 Nemesis wrote:
Damn this has turned into a shitfest.
Can we please stop with all these "what ifs" bullshit?
I guess important thing right now is who I am going to lynch, then I'm sleeping. Aeres, kgo.
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On November 01 2010 12:13 youngminii wrote:
LAL
that was his first post in a day or so, iirc
On November 01 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote:
Well then we should kill Aeres and find out, no? ^_^ which is in response to
On November 01 2010 14:02 kitaman27 wrote:
At this point I think we should be more concerned about the lurkers. If DrH and Aeres are both blue, then mafia has no problem sitting back and letting the analysis of the two take up 95% of the thread.
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On November 02 2010 04:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
This sudden swing to a youngminii bandwagon screams "mafia defense of Aeres" to me. So we're gonna bandwagon youngminii because he bandwagoned Aeres?
Let's think about this please.
We're not bandwagoning youngminii because he bandwagoned Aeres.
It's the manner in which he bandwagoned Aeres.
Without reasoning, hasty, trying to get Aeres lynched for whatever-reason-it-doesn't-matter. Read the posts I quoted above.
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On the contrary, I think we definitely need to get some more input from lurkers, especially the ones that more or less bandwagoned Day 1 (youngminii, Veldril, and Kenpachi if memory serves right).
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On November 02 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
More input absolutely. But they shouldn't be our lynch targets by any means.
oh, ok
when you said "sticking onto" i assumed you meant "pressuring"
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On November 02 2010 05:53 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +cant really say. im not one to decide on inactivity.. right now, i only read posts with my name in it and so far im a suspect again..
Would it be possible to provide evidential clues >_> It looks like we have a contradiction there. Kenpachi claims to love reading mafia, yet only reads the couple of posts he is mentioned? I know kenpachi played a really scummy style of town from Haunted mafia, but he isn't making a great case for himself again.
that is an awesome catch
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On November 02 2010 06:07 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 05:59 Aeres wrote:
-.- If Mafia is so fun to read for Kenpachi, why not just shadow the game and let someone else take his spot and actually do something with it? cause then no one would talk about him. apparently he loves it when we talk about him??
well, we're doing it now
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On November 02 2010 06:44 Kenpachi wrote:
##Vote youngminii
Ill justify my vote after reading
Please read, and THEN vote. The last thing we want is bandwagoners who make premature decisions.
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