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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 01:50 GMT
#1582
On November 01 2010 10:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:
On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 01 2010 10:40 infinitestory wrote:
On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK.


I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case.

that's not really 100% at all
if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0%


re read the sentence

I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed.

On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.

I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position.


No. If my night action succeeds, it 100% confirms itself to the player that is poked. If I am roleblock my night action doesn't succeed. I'm talking about if it succeeds it's a for sure confirmation, roleblocking is irrelevant to what I'm saying infinitestory.

I'm a man of my word. If the town thinks I made up my role and that I am scum then obviously I'm the best choice for a lynch.

That's fair. You've done some fine analysis and given a lot of information, but on the flip side your campaign was ... dubiously based and there are some circumstantial things that point to you as red. I'm neutral on your townieness at the moment.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 01:53 GMT
#1583
Also, with regards to NB, I think his posts definitely seem like a naive townie who will voice his entire opinion, whether it makes any sense or not. Perhaps too much so, though. I think these posts that you highlighted are especially telling:

On October 29 2010 09:50 NB wrote:
im confused... so bodyguard(s) is a role? T_T


(a mafia should read this post and assume that im not a bodyguard and they wont kill me :3)


On October 30 2010 12:13 NB wrote:
so we have 3 main candidates: Panda, dish, doctor... Who of you will promise to protect me from scums? :3


On October 31 2010 10:23 NB wrote:
ok, lets discuss our night action, who will most likely being killed by mafia?

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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 02:00 GMT
#1587
On November 01 2010 10:54 DCLXVI wrote:
I can't catch up on the thread quite yet, but as I am reading through it (60-65) people seem to think that I claimed bodyguard. Who first said that I did, and did he even read my posts? Someone (i need to reread it) said that I claimed, and then everyone just took it to be true. Please reread my posts before continuing with that line of discussion. Take a look at the lazy vigilante role, my addition to artanis's ruling was that the bodyguards do more than protect the mayor at night. therefore I have information about how the mayor can/can't be killed (especially at lynching time). Heavy FOS on the first people to say I claimed bodyguard - that was outright distorting my posts. Ill be back in a few hours at the most to respond to the next 15 pages...

What you said is that you knew Artanis didn't give the full definition of bodyguarding. That's a softclaim, as it implies you know something else about being a bodyguard. In fact, your wording was that Artanis' initial post about bodyguarding was not what he TOLD you. You then went on to claim that Artanis confirmed your role with his post on bodyguarding. If that's not a soft roleclaim, I don't know what is. And if you didn't mean to softclaim bodyguard, you should have said so.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 02:05 GMT
#1591
TBH even if DrH's poke goes through, that doesn't even 100% confirm he's blue. It only confirms his role does what he says it does.

On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:
Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role:

Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected.

This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.

I've been thinking about it, and I'm not so sure anymore that DrH's roleclaim is a sign of townieness. If he's mafia, then the only way to even use his role and get any effect out of it without raising suspicion is to claim his role this way. Roleclaim implying Townie relies on the assumption that a mafia with the role would not claim it. ugh paranoia
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 02:09 GMT
#1595
On November 01 2010 11:08 Glasse wrote:
can i get a super duper post analysis on myself? i'm curious to know if im blue or red

Well, judging from the srs color of your srs cat fur, you're white with brown stripes.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 02:15 GMT
#1605
On November 01 2010 11:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On November 01 2010 11:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:
On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 01 2010 10:40 infinitestory wrote:
On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK.


I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case.

that's not really 100% at all
if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0%


re read the sentence

I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed.

On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.

I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position.


Yes, it does seem that Dr.H deceived us, but honestly, do you think all of the Mayoral candidates were going to tell the whole truth? I'm not sure we should want to kill him until he legitimately has a chance to prove himself. He is offering a lot of good analyses.


I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did?

I'm sorry, but are you using a chainsaw defense on the player you poked because you thought him most likely to be town? That doesn't add up.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 02:23 GMT
#1612
Uh oh, I think Glasse's role is that he wins if he gets a certain number of people to quote him
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 02:35 GMT
#1621
On November 01 2010 11:26 Ace wrote:
@bumatlarge: I think it's better to just say that whatever happened last night, it should strengthen your convictions on whether or not Dr.H is scum or innocent. There isn't enough information to convincingly say if his statements about last night are true. Furthermore we've got 2 people in a situation right now that need to be dealt with. We can deal with Dr.H later.

PEOPLE LOOK AT THE AERES AND DC SITUATION!

Alright, let's deal with this.

With the death of annul, I find it even MORE likely that at least one of Aeres and DC is NOT bodyguard. DC says he never claimed bodyguard, but Aeres did hard claim bodyguard and had that odd slip. Aeres is certainly suspicious, but not conclusive until we can check one of them. I will note that I don't think the mod lied about there being a single bodyguard, and that certainly puts Aeres on my suspect list.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 02:42 GMT
#1626
On November 01 2010 11:38 Misder wrote:
My analysis on Coagulation
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On October 22 2010 18:27 Coagulation wrote:
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On October 21 2010 16:14 orgolove wrote:
One thing. How the heck will you know if we PM or not? Aren't even mods not allowed to see people's PM's?



mods can see pms btw

Info that doesn’t pertain to the actual game.

On October 29 2010 11:21 Coagulation wrote:
Hi guys.

im torn between voting for Bumatlarge or Pandain for mayor!



No info on why he thinks both are equal. And I think this was when there was only two major candidates anyways.

On October 29 2010 12:44 Coagulation wrote:
bumatlarge. as a campaigning candidate for mayor what is your political stance on bandwagoning
are you pro Bandwagon
or Anti bandwagon

plz explain

Question that I don’t think actually matters for a mayor. It’s not like the mayor can start a bandwagon. And he doesn’t explain why this is crucial to his decision. And he doesn’t even ask Pandain the question, his other candidate that he’s considering to vote.

On October 29 2010 18:52 Coagulation wrote:
maybe im missing something but if fishball is in a town circle like he claims he is and this town circle has no security from reds at the moment why would we want him elected mayor. doesnt his town circle just greatly increase the chances of scum influence on the town.

like we vote for Bum or pandain there is a 1 in 39 chance of mafia influenced mayor
we vote for fishball there is a 7 in 39 chance of mafia influenced mayor


This post may have some substance, as he now has a stance against fishball. However, as kingjames pointed out right after this post, his math is wrong (as in hes assuming that everything is random).

On October 29 2010 20:42 Coagulation wrote:
ok i understand what your saying but there is still a higher chance of mafia gaining influence through fishball being elected as mayor

isnt his "circle" about as relevant as the general town circle at this point? considering he has no idea what the alignment of his circle members are. also we have no idea if he even has a circle.
is there even a way we can verify this before the vote??

It just seems to me like an unnecessary security breach for mayor.
why risk voting up to 7 scum into power when we can play the odds and take a much safer route of voting 1.

Continuing the same thing as the post above. Again, he tries to make a point. Flawed, as jcarls points out the post after, but its something at least.

On October 29 2010 23:52 Coagulation wrote:
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On October 29 2010 23:04 Fishball wrote:
On October 29 2010 20:42 Coagulation wrote:
ok i understand what your saying but there is still a higher chance of mafia gaining influence through fishball being elected as mayor

isnt his "circle" about as relevant as the general town circle at this point? considering he has no idea what the alignment of his circle members are. also we have no idea if he even has a circle.
is there even a way we can verify this before the vote??

It just seems to me like an unnecessary security breach for mayor.
why risk voting up to 7 scum into power when we can play the odds and take a much safer route of voting 1.


I DO NOT HAVE A TOWN CIRCLE.

Where the hell does this come from? Since after Ace starting using this term.
I repeat, we have a pre-made CIRCLE. People in this circle DOES NOT KNOW each other's role or alignment.



re-read my post. I referred to your circle ONLY as "circle" I am well aware that you dont have a town circle that was the whole basis of my post.

Defends himself. And he is correct that Fishball was overreacting.

On October 30 2010 00:07 Coagulation wrote:
How about instead of blowing up about imaginary references to your CIRCLE in my post you answer the question that you completely avoided.

why would we want to risk a chance of 7 people possibly being scum manipulating town with mayor when we can go with the much safer odds of only 1 person possibly being scum.


Same question as before. jcarls answered this as stated before.

On October 30 2010 00:12 Coagulation wrote:
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On October 30 2010 00:06 annul wrote:
(dark background, wispy white smoke, dramatic thunderclaps and epic scary voiceovers)


pandain? (*bad picture of pandain roaring like a panda bear*) whaddanub! i hear lying as town is pro.

bumatlarge? (*bad picture of bumatlarge flashing fangs and raging against chains on a wall*) whaddanub! i hear dying night 1 as the suicide bomber is a pro move.

fishball? (*bad picture of a fish out of water*) whaddanub! who the hell names themself fishball?

is this who you want to lead your town?

(shift to a light background, with sunlight and sun rays, blue sky. dramatic music suddenly shifting to great happy tunes (think of the polyphonic spree) and the voiceover changes to that hot asian girl who did map voiceovers for MLG)

annul? (*good picture of annul flexing and the light shining off of his body, halo-style*) whaddapro! he knows how to lead towns! also, this time he is actually town and actually wants mayor for good reasons! annul wouldn't be so bold as to try the same strategy twice in a row, especially starting on day 1, unless he had a great plan, with bold leadership, to deliver the town to massive victory! annul's active, reading every post and playing the game as it should be played. a vote for annul is a vote for victory!


(imagery shifts one last time to a side-view shot of annul at his keyboard, head-turned and smiling, legs crossed, in full dress wizard robes (think: "business suit" of the wizarding world))

im annul v. and i support this message


i know i shouldnt base previous exploits from previous games on a fresh game but i honestly feel you have a snowballs chance in hell of being elected after Halloween mafia..

Starts basing things off of a previous mafia game. This was before the mod warning, but still…

On October 30 2010 00:26 Coagulation wrote:
We need someone who is good at mafia but terrible at manipulation.

pandain is probably the best candidate under these parameters. he is an extremely organized and tactical scum hunter his analyses skills are good and he has a good level head about what needs to be done.

i have also noticed that he is a terrible lier and his posting style makes his motives extremely transparent. this would make it much easier for us to spot a slip up if he is mafia. and greatly increases the chances that he would fail at getting away with scum moves if it turns out he is a red.


Makes a stance on his choice of mayor. Yay.

On October 30 2010 00:32 Coagulation wrote:
I think it would be in towns best interest to avoid placing an extremely skilled manipulator such as annul in the mayor seat when he could potentially be a red.

Consistent from what I’m assuming. I don’t know what happened in the previous mafia game, but I assume that annul did some crazy manipulation. Although annul is one of the newer players of mafia, he may be good at mafia in the eyes of Coagulation.

On October 30 2010 00:34 Coagulation wrote:
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On October 30 2010 00:30 CubEdIn wrote:
Do we HAVE to vote for a mayor? I don't like all these arguments.


Can we worry about the more pressing issue? Meaning, who dies in the day1 lynching?


yeah i honestly feel like i dont trust ANYONE that wants to be mayor..

No reasoning behind this statement. Why not trust Pandain who you defended, or buma, who you also were considering?

On October 30 2010 00:40 Coagulation wrote:
doesn't the mayor choose day 1 lynch??

Question that was answered before. That’s ok once in a while.

On October 30 2010 01:35 Coagulation wrote:
wait whos jerkin off smurfs?

An irrelevant post.

On October 30 2010 01:55 Coagulation wrote:
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On October 30 2010 01:44 Fishball wrote:
On October 30 2010 00:07 Coagulation wrote:
How about instead of blowing up about imaginary references to your CIRCLE in my post you answer the question that you completely avoided.

why would we want to risk a chance of 7 people possibly being scum manipulating town with mayor when we can go with the much safer odds of only 1 person possibly being scum.



I'm at work. I answer what I can given the time that I have, but I have always come back and address the rest. This is not dodging. People who have played with me in previous games will know.

I think you meant 6 people, as I said there are only 6 people in this group. Now why would Mafia include 6 of their 9 buddies in this circle? Why 6? Not 3, not 4, but 6?
Assume what you say is true, all 6 of us are Mafia, how exactly would we "manipulate" town? What stops the other solo Mayor and his "non-circle" buddies to manipulate town? Different scenario, but the outcome can very well be the same.

Everyone can debate about the "truth", but no one can argue about that fact that I did offer information, and I want/need protection. With me being Mayor, doesn't make me a dictator. I still need the help of the town to provide valuable input.



im not saying there are 6 mafia in your circle as opposed to any other number im just saying there are 6 ''chances'' that mafia are in your circle as opposed to there only being 1 chance of a mafia getting voted in as mayor if we elect someone outside your circle.

there are alot of scenarios obviously that can play out but i just want everyone to understand that there is an added risk to you being mayor. as for whether your ability as mayor + your plan with your circle outweigh those risk's is up for debate.

my problem is this. If we elect you as mayor.. you will have communications with people outside of this thread(pm) that will influence the game and could be extremely vital to scum hunting.

I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him.



More on the circle. Surprisingly, I think it’s good input, and consistent.

On October 30 2010 02:44 Coagulation wrote:
may, may not, in fact, almost certainly

well you got the politician thing down perfectly.


Unimportant post.

On October 30 2010 06:15 Coagulation wrote:
Doc you are all over the place with votes man
I will think about voting for you because i think you are very experienced however
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On October 30 2010 00:26 Coagulation wrote:
We need someone who is good at mafia but terrible at manipulation.

pandain is probably the best candidate under these parameters. he is an extremely organized and tactical scum hunter his analyses skills are good and he has a good level head about what needs to be done.

i have also noticed that he is a terrible lier and his posting style makes his motives extremely transparent. this would make it much easier for us to spot a slip up if he is mafia. and greatly increases the chances that he would fail at getting away with scum moves if it turns out he is a red.


I feel like if DocH Is a red we would never know.

Inconsistency here. DH is the one of the better manipulators in mafia… This basically contradicts his post. Neither does he say why being experience outweighs being manipulative, esp. since he totally put down Fishball, an even more experienced player.

On October 30 2010 07:08 Coagulation wrote:
How do we know the person who is "verifying" your confirmation of your role isnt just a Scumbuddy of yours?

Good question, assuming this is directed towards DH.

On October 30 2010 07:10 Coagulation wrote:
Maybe Godfather Will verify so no one can DT check him properly
thats possible right?

Again, good question.

On October 30 2010 07:27 Coagulation wrote:
DocH You basically said YOU WILL PROVE your town and then basically said "MAYBE DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS I WILL PROVE IT IM NOT SURE"

I dont think pandain would be the greatest mayor
However
i would rather pandain then Annul and his manipulation if he is RED
and i would rather pandain then fishbowl and his "EXTREMELY SHY?? circle"
I would really really like for you to make me feel comfortable voting for you for mayor. but your doing a bad job so far.

Makes a good point on DH’s campaign. Completely didn’t compare Pandain with buma though (don’t know if this was before buma said hes going to retract his candidacy)

On October 30 2010 07:29 Coagulation wrote:
FISHBOWL =FISHBALL Sorry. Wheres This guys circle at?? wouldnt they claim by now??

Poses a question, and not a bad one.

On October 30 2010 08:07 Coagulation wrote:
Because hes not trying really really super hard to be mayor i figure hes just a good honest townie offering to take the spot and do his best.

you guys are gonna start tearing each other to shreds over the role makes me think you got something else going on.


On October 30 2010 08:09 Coagulation wrote:
actually to be honest i would rather we nominate ACE OR ANYONE that isnt TRYING to be mayor

Kinda consistent to what hes saying before. Although I feel that Ace would be as manipulative as annul…

On October 30 2010 09:42 Coagulation wrote:


DocH
Anyone that doesn't fucking vote for you must be scum?
Are you fucking serious ?

i voted for Pandain because it was a choice between Him And Fishball at the time (bum withdrew his candidacy before i voted or I would have voted him for my placeholder instead of pandain)
I posted many reasons why i chose pandain over fishball MANY Logical reasons.
i will repost them for you ****This was before you had decided to run for mayor

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On October 30 2010 01:55 Coagulation wrote:
On October 30 2010 01:44 Fishball wrote:
On October 30 2010 00:07 Coagulation wrote:
How about instead of blowing up about imaginary references to your CIRCLE in my post you answer the question that you completely avoided.

why would we want to risk a chance of 7 people possibly being scum manipulating town with mayor when we can go with the much safer odds of only 1 person possibly being scum.



I'm at work. I answer what I can given the time that I have, but I have always come back and address the rest. This is not dodging. People who have played with me in previous games will know.

I think you meant 6 people, as I said there are only 6 people in this group. Now why would Mafia include 6 of their 9 buddies in this circle? Why 6? Not 3, not 4, but 6?
Assume what you say is true, all 6 of us are Mafia, how exactly would we "manipulate" town? What stops the other solo Mayor and his "non-circle" buddies to manipulate town? Different scenario, but the outcome can very well be the same.

Everyone can debate about the "truth", but no one can argue about that fact that I did offer information, and I want/need protection. With me being Mayor, doesn't make me a dictator. I still need the help of the town to provide valuable input.




I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him.




Is that not a reasonable reason considering the two choices?? maybe not the greatest reason but I FEEL CONFIDENT we are not getting FUCKED BEHIND OUR BACKS.

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On October 30 2010 00:26 Coagulation wrote:
We need someone who is good at mafia but terrible at manipulation.

pandain is probably the best candidate under these parameters. he is an extremely organized and tactical scum hunter his analyses skills are good and he has a good level head about what needs to be done.

i have also noticed that he is a terrible lier and his posting style makes his motives extremely transparent. this would make it much easier for us to spot a slip up if he is mafia. and greatly increases the chances that he would fail at getting away with scum moves if it turns out he is a red.



Is that not a reasonable reason?? YOU SAID THE SAME THING EARLIER.

Now i am sticking with pandain because he is most likely not a red trying to gain control of town based on the fact that he is not campaigning relentlessly.


Pandain is more then capable of using what tools he has at his disposal to help coordinate a good town strategy and i doubt he would run for mayor if he thought his role wasnt capable of contributing greatly as mayor.. and I FEEL HE is the most TRUSTWORTHY candidate so far BASED ON HIS ACTIONS IN THIS GAME. I Dont get the same feeling from you when your Threatening "FOS" On anyone that doesnt vote you..


IM NOT VOTING on WHOS PROMISING SOME BULLSHIT IF THEY GET MAYOR (town circle?? where??)
IM VOTING ON WHO I TRUST THE MOST IN MY GUT

IS THAT REASON ENOUGH?




Gets a bit mad in this post. However, I don’t think this is a bad thing. He’s strong and on the offensive.

On October 30 2010 10:43 Coagulation wrote:
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On October 30 2010 10:38 ghrur wrote:
On October 30 2010 10:33 Pandain wrote:
*sigh*
Pandain:
1. I can prove I'm legit if elected.
2.I'm apparently very transparent
3.Relies on open discussion and debate.
Dr. H:
1.Can prove he's legit if elected
2.Is not transparent, is a master mafioso and a mayer Dr. H I would fear above all
3. Relies on secret pm circles which can easily be infiltrated. Same problem goes with Fishball, they would spend days trying to find mafia which might not even exist.

DTS should check mayoral canidates, most likely to find a mafia(at least one mafia must've run, else they're just handing us the game on a platter.)

Since so many people claimed valuable roles while running for election, those people must be at the top of the priority list for medic protection. And as of now, Fishball's "circle" hasn't said anything, so I'm beginning to become highly suscipcious of Fishball.

Again, if you are in Fishball's circle, say so now. You don't have to say your role or anything, just say if you are. If no one does, I am going to lynch Fishball day 1.


You can prove you're legit if you're elected?
How?


i think mayor can be dt checked.
dont quote me tho

Puts his input, but not sure about it. He could have just asked the question to the mod. But made an extra post saying basically nothing.

On October 30 2010 11:28 Coagulation wrote:
dr h and pandain it would be nice if you guys could talk about something relevent to the town and disregard this little pissing contest you guys have going on right now.

Wants to clean up the thread. Kinda funny since he has made some irrelevant posts himself.

On October 30 2010 11:40 Coagulation wrote:
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On October 30 2010 11:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Also, it'd be great if we could get a few more people on the replacement list. If you're following the game and want to be on it, please PM me.


I dont know why anyone in their right fucking mind following this shit storm would want to join in.

Irrelevant to the game.

On October 30 2010 12:24 Coagulation wrote:
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On October 30 2010 12:20 Glasse wrote:
On October 30 2010 12:18 infinitestory wrote:
On October 30 2010 12:16 Glasse wrote:
On October 30 2010 12:13 NB wrote:
so we have 3 main candidates: Panda, dish, doctor... Who of you will promise to protect me from scums? :3


I will protect you as i can't be killed during the game!. I will always be there for you! Vote for me!


wait, WHAT?


You heard it, even god would not be able to kill me!


this sounds legit.

Post that isn’t needed.

On October 30 2010 13:18 Coagulation wrote:
why are you responding to it?
just wondering.. obviously hes just fucking around.

Inconsistent again. He himself responded to Glasse.

On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:
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On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:
Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role:

Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected.

This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.


DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified.


You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game

pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta.


I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme:

- Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis
- Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky
- There is an actual role called "Sticky"
- Sticky's ability involves poking people

On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1

Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet.


If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you.

the plot thickens.

however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?)
then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky.
but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that.

I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red.



Good. Tells his stance on DH after DH told the town his role. A little inconsistent to what he said earlier though, about manipulation.

On October 30 2010 14:30 Coagulation wrote:
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On October 30 2010 14:22 Fishball wrote:
Even if I don't get the Mayor at the end, I still might reveal my role at that point, but this requires more consideration.



I think you are much better off not being mayor

If a red slips into power as mayor and you are truly pro town as you say you are we are gonna need someone who can organize as a backup plan.

I think you would be best suited as our ace up the sleeve in case mayor gets compromised.

Sure, makes a good point.

On October 30 2010 14:39 Coagulation wrote:
Hosting a game has nothing to do with playing in this game. all bitching about something like that is gonna do is create drama that town doesnt need to deal with.

Not useful post.

On October 30 2010 14:43 Coagulation wrote:
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On October 30 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game

and then they want to vote for pandain lololol


I told you why I voted for pandain.
and frankly from last game you pretty much showed me you have no problem being mafia and cramming town talk down my fucking throat without thinking twice. so im still skeptical.

He did say why he voted for Pandain, so, hes consistent here.

On October 30 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote:
rofl

Irrelevant.

On October 31 2010 08:53 Coagulation wrote:
LOL THE BOOGER THROWER

Irrelevant.

On October 31 2010 13:39 Coagulation wrote:
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On October 31 2010 12:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
SUP ALL!

Going to start reading now O_O!



PUT YOUR FLAME RESISTANT PANTS ON.

Irrelevant.

On October 31 2010 14:10 Coagulation wrote:
Dodging a lynch sounds alot like a scum role.. anyone else think so?

Makes a point, and poses a question. Don’t think its bad.

On October 31 2010 19:08 Coagulation wrote:
OK i have caught up on reading

1. DOCH naturally I still cant trust you 100% until I can see some of your claims of verifying yourself come to light. I really hope your not a red otherwise we may as well just bend over and let you get to fucking.

2. you have a moron for a bodyguard

3. Node is asking for invites to the circle? i would think twice before letting people who request in. looks like 1 red was already in the circle. he dies and now Node starts asking to get in?(could be mafia trying to get a man back inside)
looks bad but not gonna dwell on it too much yet..

4. pandain I dunno what the hell you are talking about. Im not gonna keep my mouth shut if someone looks scummy just because they are not around to defend themselves.


Makes good points. Well, except for 2 as DXC technically didn’t say he was bodyguard.

On November 01 2010 06:02 Coagulation wrote:
concerning bodyguards
1. there are 2 bodyguards and mods lied to us (mods lie to us then thats bullshit)
2. there is 1 bodyguard and one of them lied. i dont think that would necessarily be scummy considering it can take heat off the real bodyguard and confuse mafia and keep the real bodyguard safe.

lets not do anymore roleclaims guys. we are handing so much info to the reds its not good at all.
if you got a role that needs to be revealed think on it for a day or two first.






Good point, and I agree.

On November 01 2010 06:32 Coagulation wrote:
dt needs to investigate pandain for sure considering he was running for mayor.

also the other people who wanted elected mayor
bumatlarge
fishball
annul
ghrur
glasse
node

also worth keeping an eye on node who is asking for people to invite him into circle.


Talks about how need to check mayor candidates. Not bad.

On November 01 2010 06:57 Coagulation wrote:
well regardless we need to get to the bottom of the youngminii thing somehow i think thats the point hes trying to make. i still feel like there is a good possibility that his ability is either a red ability or he was saved by a red allie. i dont want this to just blow under the radar

Sure, a valid point.

On November 01 2010 07:12 Coagulation wrote:
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On November 01 2010 07:01 Lexpar wrote:
If I die tonight Doc H is almost definitely scum.


just the fact that you posted this comment nullifies itself

Technically not useful, but kinda makes a point.

On November 01 2010 07:15 Coagulation wrote:
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On November 01 2010 07:14 Glasse wrote:
Hey guys if i die tonight Glasse is almost definitely blue.


why on earth did we not make you mayor.

Not helpful.

On November 01 2010 07:32 Coagulation wrote:
ya hes in a circle that is allowed to pm he however isnt give the role/alignment of the people with him.

Answers a question.

On November 01 2010 09:53 Coagulation wrote:
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On November 01 2010 09:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 01 2010 09:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 01 2010 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 01 2010 09:20 Misder wrote:
@DH
Earlier, you said you were going to poke the person you thought is most likely town. So why do you think that jcarls is town?


Agreeable posts, good analysis, cool headed and logical. He didn't make a big roleclaim or bring a lot of attention onto himself and seemed for that reason to be a good target for me.


Awwww that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me! ... on the internet...

I didn't realize I was actually an important player in this game.

On November 01 2010 08:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I would like to announce that last night I poked jcarlsoniv. I did not receive a PM from Artanis or LSB meaning the poke was successful and jcarlsoniv does not have murrayitis.


I cannot confirm this Dr.H, I did not receive a PM from the mods saying I was poked.


Did you receive any other night actions?

Something stopped my poke from going through to jcarlsoniv.



how fucking convenient.







Yay for being pissed off and not putting analysis. Although this is consistent to how he was acting before DH was elected.

On November 01 2010 10:17 Coagulation wrote:
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On October 30 2010 07:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you'll see very soon that the information I'm providing will be beneficial to the town and we'll see real results in numbers. I can back this up.


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On October 30 2010 07:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
there are other things to my power that will prove beyond any doubt that I am a pro-town player. they may not take affect immediately but everything will be quite clear when I am elected and roleclaim


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On October 30 2010 06:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
did you even read the thread? i am going to prove that I am my blue role as soon as I am elected.


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On October 30 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I can demonstrate my role is exactly what it is one I am able to use it. If this is not the case then feel free to lynch me.


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On October 30 2010 09:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why does that make you nervous? I can prove to the entire town that I am town aligned. If I don't do that, simply lynch me.


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On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.


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On October 30 2010 06:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i'm the only candidate aside from node who is claiming to offer 100% proof that I am not mafia when I'm elected, just saying




Imo, makes a good point.

On November 01 2010 10:20 Coagulation wrote:
im not saying doch is red
im not saying that mafia wouldnt have anything to gain by discrediting him if he is a townie

im saying he had a campaign of bullshit.

Sure, agreed.

On November 01 2010 10:23 Coagulation wrote:
he claims he had thought about being roleblocked. yet he still claims 100% proof the whole time hes campaigning ITS CONVENIENT he happens to leave that out of his campaign

Same as above.

On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK.

Same as above.

On November 01 2010 10:34 Coagulation wrote:
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On November 01 2010 10:31 Glasse wrote:
On November 01 2010 10:20 Coagulation wrote:
im not saying doch is red
im not saying that mafia wouldnt have anything to gain by discrediting him if he is a townie

im saying he had a campaign of bullshit.


i'd like to point out that there is always less than 10% truth in any elections.


so wait.. your not a god???

Unhelpful.


Conclusion: After going through his posts, he doesn’t really seem scummy to me anymore. Aside from multiple irrelevant, unhelpful, and sarcastic posts, he does bring up good points. I think there are times where he makes a statement, but doesn’t back it up, which he should do. Other than that, I feel that Coagulation is actually blue.

I’m probably doing Pandain next, unless someone else wants to do it.
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When I’m doing analysis like this, do I have to go through all of the posts, and put my thoughts on them? It’s really time consuming esp when its someone that posts a lot…
[/b][/blue][/u]
Not all the posts. Try to go through the most controversial posts, the best posts, and the worst posts IMO

Nice work on the Coagulation analysis.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 02:54 GMT
#1637
On November 01 2010 11:52 bumatlarge wrote:
I must have missed it the first time. It explains alot, and it's a dangerous thing to claim. We should keep him safe. If there is a bomber, he will be reluctant to be used early on, and it will give us alot of info, plus id imagine the insane variant of a SB will be pretty.... insane. You should tell us who will die regardless, we might not even want to protect them as their death would confirm you and that person as 100% townies in my eyes. They could say some last words, and we wouldnt have to be suspicious of them.

As a matter of fact, Node has already stated that DC is slated to die tonight.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 02:56 GMT
#1640
On November 01 2010 11:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On November 01 2010 11:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 01 2010 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 01 2010 11:45 Aeres wrote:
On November 01 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So you claimed bodyguard to soak up a hit by using your ability to leave for the night? Is my understanding correct?

In essence, yes.

That makes sense but it isn't a very smart play. Of course it not being a smart play doesn't mean it isn't something you did.

Mafia does benefit from fake claiming bodyguard but there is also a huge risk. They can't be sure that I don't know who my bodyguards are. It does seem like a really strange claim to make, from the perspective of mafia, if they knew there was only one bodyguard. If the other "real" bodyguard roleclaims it would blow up in the face of that mafia.

However, since you assumed 666 was the real bodyguard at the time then I suppose you weren't looking forward to a future claim from a bodyguard.

By pretending to be bodyguard as mafia, you can draw medics onto you on days "you can't leave town". You could also claim "I'm all out of boat trips I need protection 24/7" and draw medics to you that way. As far as I see it the mafia fake has more to gain from this play than the town fake. That's why I'm voting for you.


Oh that is something I wanted to ask you. Did you know the identity of Annul (your bodyguard) before he was killed?


Nope.

And I can confirm that.

On October 31 2010 10:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On October 31 2010 10:28 infinitestory wrote:
Will the bodyguard be PM'd and informed that he is the bodyguard? Is that going to be added to his role, or will bodyguarding replace his original role?

He will be informed of being a Bodyguard. This will not replace his original role. The mayor is not informed of who he is.

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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 03:00 GMT
#1647
On November 01 2010 11:58 Misder wrote:
Anyone know who pointed out the link between Sticky and the stick of Bill Murray?

That was Kingjames01, many many pages ago

On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:
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On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:
Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role:

Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected.

This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.


DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified.

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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 03:02 GMT
#1650
On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia.

What about Radio LOONY?
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 03:13 GMT
#1667
On November 01 2010 12:13 youngminii wrote:
LAL

......
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 03:15 GMT
#1671
On November 01 2010 12:14 youngminii wrote:
Pandain, slow down. Stop posting. Stop spamming the thread with long but useless information.

DrH, stop replying to his 'arguments'. You'll just detract from other, more important issues.

I think the alignment of our mayor is a pretty important issue. I don't know about you, though.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 03:23 GMT
#1679
On November 01 2010 12:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On November 01 2010 12:15 infinitestory wrote:
On November 01 2010 12:14 youngminii wrote:
Pandain, slow down. Stop posting. Stop spamming the thread with long but useless information.

DrH, stop replying to his 'arguments'. You'll just detract from other, more important issues.

I think the alignment of our mayor is a pretty important issue. I don't know about you, though.


I really don't even feel that mafia have any huge incentive to take the position of mayor TBH

Except that your whole campaign platform was based around you being able to confirm your alignment and none of the other mayor candidates being able to do so.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 03:25 GMT
#1680
On November 01 2010 12:22 youngminii wrote:
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On November 01 2010 12:21 Pandain wrote:
Alright, I think just a series of reasonable questions will help express my point. Actually, sometimes I can't express an argument in question form so :/

On November 01 2010 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Doesn't really mean anything. If the insanity thing was such a big deal people could have switched bandwagons. The problem is the insanity thing applies to everyone and it isn't a point against me, it's just a part of this game that must be considered.
1.There were only two hours left
2. A major factor is that no one can even say if you actually used your role. The person who you claimed to have poked says he received no such thing. Now you defend yourself by saying you could've been roleblocked, or he could've been bussed. The first point is okay, but negated for reasons later expressed below. The second point is just illogical. It is more logical to assume you are mafia than that jcarl just happened to get bussed.


Everything adds up Pandain.

How could that kind of a role even have an insane aspect? Well we could start with the intial concern from infinitestory that my poke transfers murrayitis to a person. Perhaps the poke doesn't confirm itself to the other player but does tell me if they have murrayitis. Perhaps my poke only has a certain chance of going through. There are many possibilities here Pandain, am I really supposed to believe you couldn't think of 1?

Point is it didn't even happen
Yeah, it is. That is the importance of my role as I understand it and as it is described in my role PM. What else do I have to go off of? Would you like me to tell you the importance of my role in an insane variation which I have no way of predicting or knowing?

Exactly! So why are you running if your role has a high chance of being unimportant. You claim its to soak up POTENTIAL roleblockers, but any townie could run and do just that.
You're attacking me for defending him. Let me call it a chainsaw defense, which is even worse. What theory doesn't make sense? It doesn't make sense that jcarls could have lied? You're not even considering that? In order to bring up the possibility that he might not be telling the truth I have to also accuse him of being mafia? Wow dude I never thought you would make such awful points.
Yes, it doesn't make sense for jcarl to lie. You yourself think he hasn't, and yet you critizice me for defending just that. I have considered it, but consider it highly more likely you are just scum.

My poke didn't go through to him and you all want to know why. So I'm telling you all the ways this could be possible and jcarls telling a lie is one of these things. It's a possibility among many that I have offered and it is the one I am pursuing the least and even calling the least likely. Just drop it. I never accused jcarls and your clown-ass arguments aren't coming anywhere close to making it look like I did.'
Why did you lie to us if you knew this could happen.
Why did you continue to claim you could be 100% confirmed
Why would wasting a potential roleblocker's use on one night outweigh having an unconfirmed mayor who's lied.


I didn't lie to get elected. I had no reason to distrust the mods and never truly considered the possibility that my role was insane when I was talking about 100% confirmation. I intentionally withheld information because I didn't want the mafia to consider the possiblity that I would be soaking up roleblocks they might have. This is a "lie" designed to benefit town.

You start with "I didn't lie to get elected" and end with "this is a lie designed to benefit town."
You claimed you would be 100% confirmed, now you claim you knew this would not happen.

I did ditch the 100% thing. I consistently recognized the possibility that I would be insane and offered checks against it to the town.
see the quote


STOP

Youngminii, I think you're reading selectively. Even if Pandain himself isn't right, his arguments have foundations, including in a very revealing post by Coagulation a couple pages ago, namely one which highlights the lies in DrH's campaign. In that sense, your usage of LAL is suspiciously focused as well.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 03:33 GMT
#1684
On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke

Like I said, the poke going through only confirms your role does what you say it does. Can I trust you that what you say your role does = 100% of your role? I don't know, especially in light of a recent revelation of a fake roleclaim.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 03:36 GMT
#1686
On November 01 2010 12:31 youngminii wrote:
His 'lies' are more like promises that turned out to be untrue due to unforeseen circumstances.

Do you not see what's happening?

Someone: So DrH I think you might be lying because of x
DrH: Well I wasn't lying but y happened so it looks like I was lying about x but there might also be the possibility of z (ie. he's covering all bases)
Pandain: So you expect us to believe you about y AND z? How convenient that you came up with them (then he goes back to the original arguments that DrH already covered)

Just stop it.

I'm sorry, but I refuse to simply ignore the alignment of our mayor. I am in no way convinced he is a townie, even if you are. Knowing our mayor has an extra vote still, even if he doesn't have night protection anymore, he is still a power player that deserves additional attention.
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 01 2010 03:44 GMT
#1694
On November 01 2010 12:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Question: In a traditional game with role-blockers, can they role-block the same player twice in a row? Or are there restrictions on that?

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roleblocker
doesn't say anything about restrictions on the usage
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