On October 31 2010 07:16 kitaman27 wrote: I'm open to hearing why I am the 4th scummiest person on your list if you would like to provide a reason DrH.
It's a bit meta, admittedly. Your insistence on pushing a scenario that is pretty far out and meta in an extremely subjective sense struck me as strange considering your mostly logical play in Haunted Mafia.
I am more interested in seeing how you play the rest of the game rather than lynching you.
mmk, not to pursue a dead issue or anything, but what far out scenario was I pushing? I'm not sure I recall.
I'm sorry and I feel dumb about this but I'll fess up. I meant to write kingjames01 on my little notepad list, but I did it later and since your names both begin with k and were both on the same scumteam I got you two confused.
I was pretty intoxicated last night so hopefully town won't tear me apart for this.
On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote: Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching?
I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation
that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum.
Lol, bring it. I just love how your entire decision making regarding possible lynch targets have been guided by your personal grudge, irregardless of the actual facts at hand. You'll eat your words.
Not at all. There are players that have grilled me just as much and to much better effect than you. The difference is I don't think they are scum. You don't threaten me, you just reek of scum.
If you want to talk about the nastiness of personal grudges how about the one that leads you to insult me twice in a row even though Artanis told you to stop once? Hypocrite.
See here people. As early as a day ago, DrH proclaimed that if chosen as a mayor, he'll be lynching youngminii based on his posting actions. But now he has immediately switched to the most persistent critic that "dare question a TL veteran."
Worst argument ever. So I shouldn't ever change my mind in light of new information? In light of the game continuing on and better candidates presenting themselves? Don't be absurd. This "point" is trash.
Are you seriously going to elect a guy who so openly flaunts his lack of judgment? Who's to say he won't target the next critic of his reign, all the way until there's no town left?
Because I can only decide the day 1 lynch and I have no killing power :D
And are you seriously going to elect a "Mr Sticky," just sticky, not mr sticky whose role has no direct applications to scumhunting? Even the best scenario he himself brings forth involves 1. multiple people being truthful and trustworthy Not really, just myself and it would be very easy to catch me in a lie. 2. the same group of people remaining coordinated OVER TWO DAYS What do you mean by this? Plague doctors?
And all that to confirm what? that ONE guy had the disease, which still won't do any harm unless the mafia's practically won the game.
So lets just let the plague happen no big deal right?
There has to be a better role to be suitable as position of a mayor.
That is very well possible, but it looks like I'm being elected. Blame the voters not me.
I also like that you didn't respond to my post a few pages back where I completely obliterated your terrible "criticism".
Here I'll go ahead and do it again.
"Terrible criticism"? Lol, I can count at least several of the players here that appreciated the points I raised. And yet you try to rile me up with your own insults! "this point is trash" AHAHA how childish can you be?
On October 31 2010 07:27 Nemesis wrote: Orgolove sounds like veldril last game
Either orgolove is a bad townie or scum, at this point I really can't tell.
In the last game that orgolove was pro-town he was very nice and played an extremely objective game. He dealt only in facts, he messed some up (Not hard to do in such a large game) but pretty much played the role of "numbers guy"
These erratic attacks, intense focus on me, and antagonistic behavior just strikes me as a total 360 spin from how he played before.
Interesting. So questioning a mayoral candidate counts as being a "bad townie"? "Antagonistic behavior"? I'm more suspicious of Nemesis and your connection to DrH, given how you immediately come to defense via trying to paint me as a scum.
If criticizing the reasons behind your list counts as an insult to you, then this is just hopeless. As I said, please do lynch me if I am your top suspect. If you are so petty as to lynch someone based on your personal grudges, then I rest my case - the town will see the light eventually.
Chill with the namecalling man.
There is a big difference between "questioning a mayoral candidate" and attacking him. When Dr.H announced his campaign, I started questioning him quite a lot, and I still have been, trying to find what's up. You have stepped way over the line that separates questioning from assaulting. And ever since, you keep trying to make it seem harmless.
On October 31 2010 07:48 Infundibulum wrote: I still think Dr H should choose to lynch Pandain, Fishball, or bumatlarge. I feel that we're more likely to hit a mafia from the group of candidates than the group of inactives.
I think that's very high-risk, high-reward. The front runner candidates, if not scum, might be blues with very valuable roles (except DrH, who seems to be winning because his claim gave up a lot of information). It makes sense that those of us who consider their roles very powerful would run for mayor as well.
"High-risk, high-reward" is exactly how I would put it. I do think you're right, there is a good chance one of them is mafia. However, I'm not sure we should take such a big risk on Day1.
On October 31 2010 07:56 orgolove wrote: Anyways, perhaps you guys have noticed, I was supportive of Fishball from the start. I was hoping to reveal this once EVERYONE was here.
But as Fishball mentioned, the deadline is coming up, and yet half the circle has not responded, we have to go forward with what we have and adapt.
So here, I reveal this: I am a part of Fishball's circle. The following are some of our PM exchanges. Please read starting from the bottom. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Fishball: That's actually not my first roles power. All I've said is that my role is crucial to the circle.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From orgolove: You might want to mention your statement about "first job" being weeding out the mafia in the circle as a response to DrH's latest statement.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From Fishball: not yet.
if possible, please wait for my green light.
things might be different now when the mayor can be role/alignment checked.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From orgolove: Should I reveal myself as a part of the circle? I want to wait for everyone but what's your thoughts?
So there you have it. The circle exists exactly as Fishball described. We 6 do not know each other's roles or alignments, but we definitely know who each other are, and can PM each other. If Fishball is elected, his original plan is very viable.
Ok, a step in the right direction.
I believe that his original plan is probably still very viable, even without being Mayor.
Question though: Why is Fishball calling the shots in the circle?
On October 31 2010 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: A lightning bolt comes from the sky. After several warnings from the gods, Orgolove in an ADD attack insulted them yet again.
You are the ADD Doctor! Once per night, you may PM me the person you want to save that night. However, if the person doesn't get hit at night, you get an ADD attack and have a 10% chance of killing him yourself, so be careful! You are not allowed to protect yourself, as you are paranoid that you might kill yourself. Furthermore, given the recent spreading of Murrayitis, you have trained yourself in being able to cure a person from this plague.
Extra notes - Would actually never kill his victim. Any complaints with this can be taken up in PM or in the TL Mafia ban thread.
On October 31 2010 07:59 infinitestory wrote: WHAT THE-
things I note: #1 the circle DEFINITELY exists #2 Artanis is very much capable of lying in the role PM #3 fuck.
any thoughts? Read artanis' orgolove-modkill post carefully: he notes that even thought the role PM states a 10% chance of killing the target, he reveals that it's actually a 0% chance.
I wouldn't call it lying, I would call it misleading. But I do believe that more than just orgo's role could have hidden components to it.
On October 31 2010 08:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Have we solidified a day one lynch? I feel like this should be our highest priority right now, we've only got a few hours left. I'm still suggesting youngminii because of his scummish posts. Although I feel like Kenpachi would be a good lynch as well, the possibility that he's afk or something gives him enough reasonable doubt that I don't think he should go day one.
SiNiquity is my first choice at the moment. Similar post to youngminii but I feel more confident that his actual vote was scummy than youngs.
I feel that Pandain or BumAtLarge have the highest chances of being scum mayor so I'm looking at their supporters and posting atm.
There is some truth to this, I've been looking through the thread and I've noticed a little something relevant. I think a few of us have suggested lynching a candidate. If there was no mafia candidate, I'd imagine a few scum would say that would seem like a good idea. But it was basically you, fishball and myself who have hinted at doing this. No one commented on it. I think it's likely one of the candidates are scum. Though we only really mentioned it when we were looking like we were gaining soe ground in the race. Kill Pandain I say :D
Pandain is my second choice for now but I'm not sure since he claims to have an uber important role. But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
I have a weird feeling about Nemesis. his vote is for pandain but iirc he supported me mostly in this thread. correct me if I'm wrong maybe I'm thinking about someone else.
Also if the boogerthrower knows the identity of the mafia voter somehow, come out and claim. You'll be medic protected 100%.
I don't understand why I'm under suspicion except for a couple facts: 1.Like 5 people voted me without a "sufficient" explanation. 2.I'm one of the running canidates.
Obviously the second one is the most convincing one, as I severely doubt that mafia could just sit back and let town take the election. So that leaves Dr. H(to be confirmed), Fishball, Bumatlarge, and Me.
The fact that people voted for you without sufficient explanation is exactly why you are under suspicion. What reason would they have to vote for you at all? There were plenty of candidates that started running (myself and ghrur to name a couple off the top of my head) that got no votes. Why would they choose you without any good reason to?
On October 31 2010 09:10 Kenpachi wrote: LOL THE BOOGER. well, would it be that someone has a nosepicking related profile? is he even mafia?
also, i am not the elder guys. Is it even confirmed if HE is the mafia either? ~_~
Zomg he speaks!
It looks like the Elder guy's vote came in before the Anon-Mafia vote, so I don't think they are the same person. That's not to say that the Elder isn't Mafia, it just appears to be a different player. That being said, why would Artanis name one of them Elder and one Anon-Mafia? So I think the Elder is probably town. But I know, I know, it's Insane Mafia...
On October 31 2010 08:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Have we solidified a day one lynch? I feel like this should be our highest priority right now, we've only got a few hours left. I'm still suggesting youngminii because of his scummish posts. Although I feel like Kenpachi would be a good lynch as well, the possibility that he's afk or something gives him enough reasonable doubt that I don't think he should go day one.
SiNiquity is my first choice at the moment. Similar post to youngminii but I feel more confident that his actual vote was scummy than youngs.
I feel that Pandain or BumAtLarge have the highest chances of being scum mayor so I'm looking at their supporters and posting atm.
I don't really care at this point, so go ahead. I got some rehashed weak role that has no interesting mechanics what-so-ever anyway. I'm ultimately green (as opposed to blue) -_-
You should start questioning your confidence more though if you're more confident I'm scum (esp after this stupid orgo shit which, btw, I think was mod-killed for 'childish' reasons, but w/e). I don't care to get involved in day 1 shenanigans, I never do, primarily because the thread moves far too fast for me to keep up with the little amount of time I devote to these games. As for my vote, I moved it from Fish to you because I thought you had a powerful role (certainly more powerful than the allsuive "my role is 'critical'" shit Fish was selling) only to find out I just bought a shamwow
I hate that you must martyred yourself. I don't know if this is a mafia player to get me to switch my kill or if you really just don't give a shit about this game. If the latter is the case then I should probably lynch YM instead.
Not only that, but it frustrates me when people want to play, and then get mad they didn't get a fun role, and screw the rest of the players over.
Guys, I don't think that ShmotZ was the anon-Mafia vote. If he was, I don't think he would be modkilled, because Artanis would have reminded him to vote publicly as well. It doesn't really make sense that he would be modkilled.
On October 31 2010 22:21 Ace wrote: I don't see anything that says youngminii is immune to a lynch. I think that was people jumping to wild conclusions.
Suggest an alternative that explains how youngminii dodged a lynch.
Someone could have a role that protects someone of their choosing from getting lynched. If that's the case, then youngminii could definitely be Mafia and have a scumbuddy protecting his ass.
On October 31 2010 10:33 Misder wrote: Is the bodygaurd's only extra function to prevent any mafia hits on the mayor?
It prevents the Mayor from being hit at night.
not quite true, the bodyguard can do more than that from what you have told me
Could you please point out to where I said this? Assume what I just said about them to be correct though.
Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis or getting lynched.
On October 31 2010 11:49 DCLXVI wrote: And got artanis to confirm my role if someone can guess it
What do you think this is revealing? Is DC alluding that he is the bodyguard? Or does he have some sort of action that could target the Mayor during the day? We should figure this out soon in case we need to give him medic protection.
I believe Coag suspects DC to be the bodyguard, and so elegantly put it as such:
On October 31 2010 19:08 Coagulation wrote: 2. you have a moron for a bodyguard
While I wouldn't use those choice of words, I have to agree somewhat. DC, if you are bodyguard, outing yourself was probably not the smartest thing to do. You don't want people to know you're the bodyguard.
I hate waiting for Night 1 to end, almost everything we say is pure speculation.
So why don't we start with the things that we DO know (feel free to add to the list): 1. Dr.H as been elected our Mayor. 2. Dr.H can't be killed while his bodyguards are still alive. 3. Youngminii somehow avoided the Mayor's lynch, and SiNiquity was killed instead. 4. There are 3 players remaining in Fishball's circle, including Fishball. 5. One of the modkills was a Mafia who was in the circle. 6. There appears to be a role that has a second vote, which shows up as an Elder vote. 7. An anonymous Mafia's vote did not count because of a booger-flinger, what this implies, I have no idea.
On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them.
Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious.
As has been stated before (and most likely again later), this is INSANE Mafia. We have no idea what Artanis and LSB are capable of throwing at us.
I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
When you got the PM saying you're a bodyguard, did it tell you that there are two bodyguards? Or do you just think that DC is the other one?
On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them.
Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious.
As has been stated before (and most likely again later), this is INSANE Mafia. We have no idea what Artanis and LSB are capable of throwing at us.
I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
When you got the PM saying you're a bodyguard, did it tell you that there are two bodyguards? Or do you just think that DC is the other one?
Bodyguards are not told who the other Bodyguards are.
I do not know for sure if DC is a Bodyguard... it is possible that he is not. My suspicion is that he is, though.
On November 01 2010 04:28 youngminii wrote: Yeah but that's just saying "IF there's a role like the one Aeres is claiming then it would be so"
On November 01 2010 04:24 Aeres wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:21 infinitestory wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:16 Aeres wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them.
Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious.
I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
Why are you so sure there are 2 bodyguards? Wasn't your logic behind the 1 bodyguard theory based on the assumption that DCX is a bodyguard?
I want to ask you guys something too. Would it be a good idea to analyze the Murrayitis's mechanics and how it would affect the game in the long run? I think I find it's interesting but I'm not sure if other players agree or not.
I don't see why not.
I'm only going on what I received in the PM. As of now, I am operating under the assumption that there are 2 Bodyguards. Unless someone brings up evidence to the contrary, (i.e. DC's role being revealed) I will keep that claim.
Perhaps I am being deceived here, but I honestly cannot say.
I know you aren't told who the other bodyguard is, but were you told that another one exists?
What reason do you have to operate under the assumption of two bodyguards?
On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them.
Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious.
As has been stated before (and most likely again later), this is INSANE Mafia. We have no idea what Artanis and LSB are capable of throwing at us.
I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
When you got the PM saying you're a bodyguard, did it tell you that there are two bodyguards? Or do you just think that DC is the other one?
Bodyguards are not told who the other Bodyguards are.
I do not know for sure if DC is a Bodyguard... it is possible that he is not. My suspicion is that he is, though.
On November 01 2010 04:28 youngminii wrote: Yeah but that's just saying "IF there's a role like the one Aeres is claiming then it would be so"
On November 01 2010 04:24 Aeres wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:21 infinitestory wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:16 Aeres wrote:
On November 01 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i was just thinking "why the fuck would you do that oh my god"
but then I read the rest of your post and that you can survive a short while without medics. I'm not sure it was necessary to claim. If the Mafia thought the only bodyguard was dead, they might waste hits on me, even stack them.
Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain.
I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious.
I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia.
Why are you so sure there are 2 bodyguards? Wasn't your logic behind the 1 bodyguard theory based on the assumption that DCX is a bodyguard?
I want to ask you guys something too. Would it be a good idea to analyze the Murrayitis's mechanics and how it would affect the game in the long run? I think I find it's interesting but I'm not sure if other players agree or not.
I don't see why not.
I'm only going on what I received in the PM. As of now, I am operating under the assumption that there are 2 Bodyguards. Unless someone brings up evidence to the contrary, (i.e. DC's role being revealed) I will keep that claim.
Perhaps I am being deceived here, but I honestly cannot say.
I know you aren't told who the other bodyguard is, but were you told that another one exists?
What reason do you have to operate under the assumption of two bodyguards?
I was not told that another exists.
Again, all I have to go on is the idea that DCXLVI (God, what a hard name to remember) basically roleclaimed. However, my belief was that if he was killed by the Mafia, the Mafia would target the influential, outspoken people so far, of which I happen to be one (maybe bias here, but whatevs). By keeping my role a secret, I wouldn't know when the Mafia might try and nightkill me, so my ability to predict an attack and set sail would be hampered. By letting the Mafia know, I can set a schedule on which I can alternate between sailing and Medic protection to stall for time.... at least until I run out of uses for my role.
I...*sigh*
Bodyguards want to be secret, once they are out in the open, they are so much more vulnerable. I do understand your logic, but just think about it. Now, since the Mafia knows of your identity, they could very easily role block you (assuming there is a role blocker) and kill you the same night. They have a 50/50 shot at getting it, more than enough odds to be comfortable doing so. Once you're gone, Dr.H is up for grabs. I honestly think claiming was not a smart move.
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