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On October 30 2010 05:52 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mason
so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambitsomehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more Well gee, that's curious. I wonder if we go back to bumatlarge's posts and why he said Fishball's method, if true, was faster, what we can put together. Well, I suppose his reasons are still unknown then? Do not vote pandain. Vote anyone but pandain. I say it should be me or fishball. FOR OBVIOUS REASONS STATED ABOVE. I never really retracted my run :/ misinformation! And when I get back from work I'm gonna really go through what people are spreading around.
On October 29 2010 14:45 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 14:31 orgolove wrote:At this point, I haven't seen Pandein or bumatlarge bring anything more to the table. Especially considering: 1. bumatlarge voted for himself within a minute after the game started -_- without providing anything he could bring to the table 2. Pandein, who kinda sorta lied in Haunted mafia: On October 17 2010 03:04 Pandain wrote:On October 17 2010 03:03 Divinek wrote:
you have a dt who checked jodo and he came back vampire and you think heaven is mafia?
just trying to clear it up so i can pick it apart properly Yes. In addition, it appears the previous sentence referred to the silver instrument specifically as a hammer. keep that in mind. On October 10 2010 07:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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4. jodogohoo (Grim Reaper) I haven't seen any better candidate yet. I've stated that I have a plan, but Fishball's does it much faster. And now that he's already stated it, I'll back out. I don't think it makes him any more town then me, and I don't think it puts me in any real danger, because mafia can glean from what I've stated that I'm not a strong-blue. Everyone has a role 
o rly?
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How will you can confirm your role as a pro-town player? I can do this as soon as I am elected and I promise to do so or I am offering myself up for a lynch.
Wouldn't it be better to have someone that is 100% confirmed pro-town put into the circle, protected, and having them coordinating/relaying information to the town? I have an ability that will be extremely useful in coordination for our blues as well.
There is uncertainty with you and fishball and I'd rather have you guys open to rolechecks. I can prove I am who I say I am without a DT.
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it seems unlikely to me that there is a person who can create a circle, an already existing circle of 6, and a mafia in this game
i know this game is insane but it makes fishball look like a liar and no one has come out and said "oh I'm part of his circle"
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actually it's pretty bad for town to have fewer candidates
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On October 30 2010 06:14 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 06:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
actually it's pretty bad for town to have fewer candidates Its even worse when several blues run claiming they are important..... since that means they're either mafia or going to get sniped off.
everyone is a blue in this game lol
i'm the only candidate aside from node who is claiming to offer 100% proof that I am not mafia when I'm elected, just saying
you have offered nothing yet have a huge bandwagon behind you for whatever reason
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On October 30 2010 06:15 Coagulation wrote:Doc you are all over the place with votes man I will think about voting for you because i think you are very experienced however Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 00:26 Coagulation wrote:
We need someone who is good at mafia but terrible at manipulation.
pandain is probably the best candidate under these parameters. he is an extremely organized and tactical scum hunter his analyses skills are good and he has a good level head about what needs to be done.
i have also noticed that he is a terrible lier and his posting style makes his motives extremely transparent. this would make it much easier for us to spot a slip up if he is mafia. and greatly increases the chances that he would fail at getting away with scum moves if it turns out he is a red.
I feel like if DocH Is a red we would never know.
you would know immediately
did you even read the thread? i am going to prove that I am my blue role as soon as I am elected.
if i was a red you wouldn't know because I wouldn't be making this play
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On October 30 2010 06:17 Node wrote:
The downside of secrecy is due to the nature of this particular game it's impossible to reveal any information without putting your head on the line. It's not exactly possible to be subtle -- it's all or nothing. I'm not in a position where I can gently guide town to the correct choices.
i have a feeling we have the same role actually
am i poking at the truth here?
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On October 30 2010 06:18 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 06:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 06:14 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2010 06:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
actually it's pretty bad for town to have fewer candidates Its even worse when several blues run claiming they are important..... since that means they're either mafia or going to get sniped off. everyone is a blue in this game lol i'm the only candidate aside from node who is claiming to offer 100% proof that I am not mafia when I'm elected, just saying you have offered nothing yet have a huge bandwagon behind you for whatever reason read my previous post. valuable blue. fair enoughI can offer proof as well, albeit it will be somewhat indirect. Are you sure you can offer 100% proof? Why can you not just do it now? yes i can, but i need to go through the night phaseI myself have a valuable role, however I do not roleclaim because I know there's a chance I may lose, and do not want mafia knowing what I have. this is understandable of course
but what makes you a better candidate than me or fishball or bumatlarge?
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On October 30 2010 06:20 Node wrote:
It would be a bizarre role to have more than one of, but I hear what you're saying.
now i'm thinking we don't have the same role, that puts me in a sticky situation but thats ok
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you don't sound very proactive, that makes for a bad mayor
you'll probably just end up doing whatever mafia tell you to do. the mayor needs to have the balls to stand up against the town when they are wrong or when he is being fed lies by mafia and make decisions for himself sometimes
every time i run for scum mayor i say "ill side with the town and do what the town tells me" because it sounds so pro-town but really it just means "ill support whatever bandwagon the mafia starts"
whether you're scum or not is irrelevant to that point.
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On October 30 2010 06:56 Amber[LighT] wrote:
DrH I'm willing to throw my vote on you if you're going to seriously get the town organized. I am not confident about the FB vote and I still feel comfortable about Pandain, but if you really want the mayoral power I'll support you. You're the only person that's putting forth the effort to organize a strategic plan past the first night.
here is my basic plan for organization:
1. at night i can confirm to one player that I am who I say I am.
2. that player confirms to the town my role
3. hopefully masons will induct me into the circle
4. with my power i can help coordinate other roles, I don't want to say too much as to how right now.
There are only two scenarios in which the 1st step can fail. They are very very very very very very unlikely. If the person I confirm to is mafia, they can just lie and say I didn't confirm to them or never bring it up.
Mafia will be forced to confirm that I am blue, or I'll out them for lying.
I can be much more specific when I'm sure I can not be killed at night.
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to be clear the second scenario in which i could fail in confirming my role is that the person is mafia. even if that happens they will be pressured to claim and I'm just going to come out and say who I confirmed to after a brief period so they can't lie about it without incriminating themselves
the first scenario is really unlikely
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On October 30 2010 07:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 06:56 Amber[LighT] wrote:
DrH I'm willing to throw my vote on you if you're going to seriously get the town organized. I am not confident about the FB vote and I still feel comfortable about Pandain, but if you really want the mayoral power I'll support you. You're the only person that's putting forth the effort to organize a strategic plan past the first night. here is my basic plan for organization: 1. at night i can confirm to one player that I am who I say I am. 2. that player confirms to the town my role 3. hopefully masons will induct me into the circle 4. with my power i can help coordinate other roles, I don't want to say too much as to how right now. There are only two scenarios in which the 1st step can fail. They are very very very very very very unlikely. If the person I confirm to is mafia, they can just lie and say I didn't confirm to them or never bring it up. Mafia will be forced to confirm that I am blue, or I'll out them for lying. I can be much more specific when I'm sure I can not be killed at night. How will you confirm to one player your role if there are no PMs?
part of my power is to make my presence known to another player
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On October 30 2010 07:08 Coagulation wrote:
How do we know the person who is "verifying" your confirmation of your role isnt just a Scumbuddy of yours?
well they would be ideal for a rolecheck
this would be incredibly dangerous play as mafia to out my scumbuddies as the game progresses. every time i confirm to someone i will be claiming it.
it is possible the person i can confirm to is a mafia, i have no way of knowing someones alignment. but look at this play from the perspective of me being mafia and it really makes no sense. I'm going to out all of my mafia compatriots just to win the mayor position?
you'll see very soon that the information I'm providing will be beneficial to the town and we'll see real results in numbers.
I'm putting my head on a plate for you guys if I turn out to be a liar. I can back this up.
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On October 30 2010 07:10 Coagulation wrote:
Maybe Godfather Will verify so no one can DT check him properly
thats possible right?
of course it's possible
but look at this play in the terms of the game overall. think for a minute that I am mafia. I would essentially be outing my entire team to the town over the course of the game.
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On October 30 2010 07:10 Node wrote:
DrH, you forgot another scenario in which the first step would fail. If you're mafia, you could just ask a buddy, or hell, the Godfather (presuming he exists) to confirm your role. He posts and the townies are none the wiser. The mafia gets inducted into every circle there is and is put in a position of power.
I'm not sold, yet.
there are other things to my power that will prove beyond any doubt that I am a pro-town player. they may not take affect immediately but everything will be quite clear when I am elected and roleclaim
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On October 30 2010 07:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Well, I see it this way. Dr.H has no reason to give us the names of another Mafia member just to get the Mayor position. I mean, sure, it's a nice position, but worth losing teammates over? Not sure...
There aren't 22 scum like there were in Haunted, there are many fewer (I forget exactly how many). This means that every time a mafia member dies, it is a bigger hit this game.
I hope there wouldn't be more than one shape-shifting role in the mafia.
One question though:
Does the Godfather get chosen Day1 or Night1?
If Godfather gets chosen Night1, then Dr.H couldn't possibly be shapeshifting now. Also, since he is roleclaiming immediately after being elected, it wouldn't give the Mafia enough time to have a Godfather, so even if he's Mafia, the person he would be claiming to wouldn't be shapeshifting yet. Or something to that effect...
Godfather would be chosen on the first day I believe
I have a small chance of confirming myself to a mafia. Mafia can then come out, get rolechecked, and sacrifice themselves to kill me
So in the freak scenario that this happens I would plead town to wait a day before lynching me. Not to mention it could be the miller as well.
There are other things to my role that will confirm me as town but I want to make a disclaimer, I have no way of knowing what other players roles are (I certainly don't have DT powers) so I have as much chance as anyone of acting upon mafia.
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On October 30 2010 07:17 NB wrote:
people are moving too fast, im having a hard time to catch up your conversation T_T
poor excuse, i know your play. you watch the thread very intently while communicating avidly within a scumcircle
why even mention it? feeling guilty about your inactivity or do you just like to clutter up threads for no reason
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On October 30 2010 07:27 Coagulation wrote:
DocH You basically said YOU WILL PROVE your town and then basically said "MAYBE DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS I WILL PROVE IT IM NOT SURE"
I dont think pandain would be the greatest mayor
However
i would rather pandain then Annul and his manipulation if he is RED
and i would rather pandain then fishbowl and his "EXTREMELY SHY?? circle"
I would really really like for you to make me feel comfortable voting for you for mayor. but your doing a bad job so far.
let me put it this way
there is a 1/39 chance i will fail in confirming my role to the town
there are multiple ways i can prove my identity over the course of the day. so you would rather vote pandain who offers nothing? you're doing a bad job at discrediting me. considering that mafia are probably shitting their pants over the idea of a confirmed townie with great coordination powers become immune to nightkills I'm not surprised someone is trying their best
FoS
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On October 30 2010 07:29 Coagulation wrote:
FISHBOWL =FISHBALL Sorry. Wheres This guys circle at?? wouldnt they claim by now??
there are a lot of inactive players right now
calm yourself
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