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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 02 2010 00:41 GMT
#1957
Infinitestory I don't know if you read selectively but I've illustrated a few times why Aeres lie deserves a lynch. He possibly even lied more than once. Most damning of all he claimed the mods lie to justify his lie. Come on stop being blind.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 02 2010 00:50 GMT
#1961
In fact explain this to me:

Let's assume Aeres is a pro-town liar and claims he's the bodyguard in addition to a Cruiseship Captain.

According to Aeres the CC can leave town for one night and avoid being hit.

If Aeres is the CC and bodyguard, and pro-town then why would he reveal this? If the Scum believe that Aeres is the bodyguard then they'd notice that Aeres would be out of town and just shoot Dr.H on Night 1.

From what we know, Dr.H hasn't been shot. So if Aeres is indeed pro-town why didn't Mafia take the shot at Dr.H? Just ignore anything about Dr.H being Scum also for the time being. I just want to breakdown what motive and scenario it makes sense for Aeres to be pro-town if you truly believe he is.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 02 2010 00:55 GMT
#1963
On November 02 2010 09:48 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 09:41 Ace wrote:
Infinitestory I don't know if you read selectively but I've illustrated a few times why Aeres lie deserves a lynch. He possibly even lied more than once. Most damning of all he claimed the mods lie to justify his lie. Come on stop being blind.

I don't know. Claiming the mods lie to justify his own... I see Aeres' whole thing as a very fleshed out but shitty plan. His alibi has no clear contradictions in it (even the slip up in talking makes sense if you think about someone who must act as if there are multiple bodyguards to defend DrH)
I'm not saying Aeres is town. I'm not saying he's a good or valuable player. I'm saying that youngminii's eagerness to lynch Aeres based on a lie, one which Aeres made a solid defense for, is suspicious.

On top of that, youngminii refuses to defend himself, he defends DrH vigorously, and now DrH comes to his defense. Perhaps you're the one who must stop being blind, because youngminii's unexplained attempt at martyrdom is beyond suspicious, and almost nobody has made a single comment on it up until my post.


What does youngminii need to defend himself about? The entire basis for lynching him was stupid.

He survived a lynch - omg he's fishy!

We don't know how the lynch was picked. The only thing we know is the mods asked for 3 names and youngminii was first on the list. Siniquity gets lynched.

That's all we know. Whether or not youngminii is unlynchable is irrelevant as he didn't lie about anything or appear scummy like Aeres did. The best evidence we have on youngminii is that he said he believed Fishball over bumatlarge with no explanation.

So we have one player caught in multiple lies.
We have another player that can't, and probably should not explain why he wasn't able to be lynched. His only other crime is not explaining his vote.

So what do you want to weigh as a heavier offense? Lying or unaccountability.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 02 2010 01:02 GMT
#1968
@infitestory: Aeres did not explain his plan until DC revealed he never claimed bodyguard AND I called Aeres out on his lie. He outlined everything WAY after he caught lying. Big difference.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 02 2010 02:06 GMT
#2009
On November 02 2010 10:31 Nemesis wrote:
Well I'm back and I've been reading a lot.

Yum Yum

Time to give my input on things.
1. LAL is a BAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDD policy. What is important is not that they lied or what they lied about, but their reasons for lying aka their motive. Although I do find Aeres martyring himself as fishy.
2. If you are going to go with LAL policy, why aren't you gunning for DrH too, YM and Ace?

3. DoctorH, I have FoS on, but I don't really want to lynch him at this point as he is mayor, and can really help in the lategame if he is indeed town. Besides, he is always in the spotlight, more chance for him to slipup like he's been slowly doing all day.
4. For the youngminii bandwagon, I also have FoS on youngminii but I wouldn't really lynch him yet, and I find it weird how they are ignoring that Ace was also tried to get people to bandwagon for Aeres, but his name is not being mentioned when he's essentially doing the same thing that they are lynching youngminii for.
5. It seems that youngminii and doctorH are defending each other, another thing I find suspicious
6. I don't agree with fishing for inactives is a bad thing. With all these back and forth going on between you guys, the inactives are left out of the spotlight: a perfect place for mafia to hide. Also, inactives makes any kind of post analysis useless on them. For now, I'll vote Veldril.


1.)I already explained that Dr.H was never caught lying. Aeres was. Read my posts before making stuff up. Thanks.

2.) I didn't get a bandwagon going on Aeres. I started a lynch on Aeres. If I was starting a bandwagon I wouldn't be using logical arguments, or you know the fact that Aeres lied as proof that he is scum.

3.) How the hell would looking for inactives benefit us when we have a guy that lied, an unconfirmed Mayor, and several people all discussing relevant game information? Come on, at least pretend to know what you're talking about.

How about you give us a complete train of thought. You are being wishy washy on your conclusions here. You find YM and Dr.H defending each other, which they really are not doing, as suspicious. You also have a FoS on Dr.H, and even claim that he has slipped up - but you won't go as far to accuse him as Scum.

Seems to me you're trying to save Aeres from being lynched - even though you say he is indeed Fishy.

So what's the verdict, chum?

On November 02 2010 10:38 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 08:56 Ace wrote:
As an example, remember the greatest lie ever told in a Mafia game on TL.net is Caller's bullshit Insane Busdriver claim, 2 days after he led the town to believe he was another role. The town bought it hook, line and sinker because "oh Caller was just trying to help" and walla - 2 dead townes, Caller escapes THREE lynches and the town loses.


For the record, I never believed that bastard.
I was the one who caught him too, and they killed me, the one guy who was pushing for his death

I can already smell a lot of shit in this game that doesn't add up.


Well you were one of the few hopes the town had for winning that game.

Are you smelling what the Rock is cookin' ?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 02 2010 02:27 GMT
#2013
Cubed is allegedly a medic. He's doing the RebirthofLegend thing and self-protting though.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 01:12 GMT
#2333
On November 03 2010 08:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2010 08:45 Coagulation wrote:
also im wondering exactly how many blues are you allowed to lynch before its justifiable for us to question you?

is there a number?


not to mention I didn't lynch aeres, the town did

and I didn't even start the bandwagon. Ace did.


And I'd happily do it again.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 01:13 GMT
#2334
On November 03 2010 08:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2010 08:50 Nemesis wrote:
On November 03 2010 08:45 Coagulation wrote:
also im wondering exactly how many blues are you allowed to lynch before its justifiable for us to question you?

is there a number?


I would say that if DrH fails to confirm himself this night phase.

This is the part where I say "I told you so"

And the part where I go batshit crazy. Seriously, we don't fucking lynch FOR BAD TOWNIE PLAY, WE LYNCH FOR SCUM PLAY. It was pretty obvious that aeres did the former.

So I really want to lynch the people who started the bandwagon now, but I guess it will have to wait until next day phase.

i interpreted it as scum play

his gambit didn't really make sense as it described it but I suppose he just didn't think it through and acted on impulse. it made him look scummy to me and unlike others in the bandwagon I was the only one who bothered to explain why I thought he was scum rather then just yelling LYNCH ALL LIARS over and over again.



Eh? I explained why Aeres play was scummy at least 4 times in this thread.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 10:14 GMT
#2405
Not being able to PM is standard Mafia. PMing is weak and kills the game. Learn how to scumhunt, thx.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 13:08 GMT
#2412
On November 03 2010 20:42 CubEdIn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2010 19:14 Ace wrote:
Not being able to PM is standard Mafia. PMing is weak and kills the game. Learn how to scumhunt, thx.


Right, you seem to be doing a might good job.

Please point us to the next innocent bystander that looks odd to you.


Last I checked I'm only 1 vote out of 16.

But wait what's this?

You voted for him too!

So are you going to blame me for leading you to vote him off? Or are you going to accuse yourself for participating in killing "an innocent bystander"? You're responsible just as much as I am. In fact you're even more responsible since I at least stood by my reasoning and didn't play the blame game.

*sniff* *sniff*

This is starting to smell familiar.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 13:20 GMT
#2416
Yea, I'd gladly lynch a guy caught in multiple lies. No insane bus driver claims are going to fly around here. Sounds like you just wanna play a sheep and act like you had no part in the guy's death.

If my arguments convinced you then why are you so upset that I'd gladly do it again. Surely you must have agreed with something right?

Right.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 13:27 GMT
#2418
yo Cubicle I got a question.

Aeres claims bodyguard and Cruiseship Captain.

How can he draw a scum hit if he won't even be there?

rofl
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 13:35 GMT
#2421
Why target Aeres when they could just directly kill Dr.H?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 13:43 GMT
#2424
not everyone, just you
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 13:48 GMT
#2427
It was directed at whoever took offense to it, guess we know who that was.

But hey, no one accused you of being Scum. Why so touchy Cubicle?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 14:19 GMT
#2435
How can a plan succeed and fail at the same time deconduo? Thank god you aren't the mod of this game.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 14:28 GMT
#2438
I didn't personally attack anyone so I was never warned.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 23:38 GMT
#2533
Yea Dr.H, bum told me he added you to the circle a while ago. I pretty much figured bum was fearing for his life. I actually just woke up and was PMing with bum back and forth because neither of us had caught up on the thread. This is our entire PM exchange:


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Original Message From bumatlarge:
Im dead now sorry lol good luck! didnt check thread...
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Original Message From Ace:
I've been complacent plenty of times as town. Gotta remember I was pretty active for the last lynch too. No idea how much more active I need to be at the time.

Why would I pressure you in PM though? Explain.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From bumatlarge:
I don't know you've been... complacent this game. Id expect for you to be a little more judgmental about what people are doing. It makes me cautious. Not that you haven't been very helpful as town, it just seems like you are satisfied with where the game is going. Do you think town is going to win this game? I mean so far the only scum kills are modkills. It seems like you would be pressuring everyone, especially me with, for all i know, the only PM contact you have. I'm not normally a confrontation guy, but I will speak my opinions. But I try to lean more on facts then my gut. If you are mafia, kill me fast
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Ace:
why would I think that? I'm a simple man

oh well about Dr.H, doesn't really effect me about what he thinks about me.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From bumatlarge:
Just warning you ahead of time, Dr. H sent me a death post. If he dies, Im posting it regardless, but he does have a paragraph on you, not really saying you are mafia, but investing alot of wariness on how you play and what has happened. It kinda had an effect on how I'm viewing you, but Im just keeping an open mind hope you dont think i dont like you or something

as for Dr. H, his death will be enlightening if it happens, and I dont have many doubts about him considering how much hes invested in to just proving himself as town. This death post is nothing special.

Would be funky if he had some mafia death editing thing where he could pick what he pops up as, but that would be insane.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Ace:
Nothing at the moment. I'm not surprised he's suspicious of me - everyone always is.

I don't know how he arrived at the conclusion youngminii is a possible traitor though.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From bumatlarge:
well dr. h is the person I choose. I was wary of picking fishball because he seemed a likely virus target. Dr. H claims immunity.

He has minor suspicions of you. But more so about Pandain, and then he thinks youngmini is a traitor?

Well anything you want me to tell him? I dont think he knows you were the first pick.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Ace:
lol. Depending on who dies tonight, I think he might be the scummiest player in the game. I remember he said he could confirm himself, just like Dr.H did and so far he has never made mention of that fact again.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From bumatlarge:
hope he gets a vig to the face. Otherwise he just a player causing arguments that lead no where and distract town from the vibrant display of information we have. Aeres first though.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Ace:
What do you think of Pandain?




This whole aeres thing seems pretty straight forward. But I also genuinely feel he might just be blissfully unaware of what he was doing at the time. What would it profit him as a red to claim BG after he thought someone did. Then he leaves for the night... and then everyone believes hes BG wen DC is still alive? It seems very shallow, but I would have no problem lynching him because of this. He doesnt seem all that intelligent after this.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Ace:
where are you!

[/quote]



Well one bodyguard name wouldn't hurt right? lol

Yeah but if i visit him the same day he gets poisoned, i catch the m-rus, and so does the medic if they arent ADD like orgo or something.

Im all aboard the voting block, but I want to see the results of the mayor lynch+night kills before I speculate too much.
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Original Message From Ace:
Meh, don't ask him for the name of a bodyguard. Imagine you're in his shoes, get a PM from some guy asking for Bodyguard info. You'd think he was Scum

I think I'd rather mention Fishball should get medic protection over plague protection. Since he has the ability to find potential Scum in his circle I'd rather keep him alive. Also since you're a Mason we should try and vote together to form a powerful voting block.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From bumatlarge:
I trust him a lot more then i did since orgo died (lol?) so I'm willing to make those ties, but im reluctant because he seems like a likely candidate for the M-rus. Dr.H seems like a fabulous person to pm just from him being immune. Then maybe if i can persuade him to give me the name of a bodyguard, that would be fantastic, unless hes mafia. Otherwise a BG would be someone I could relay all the info to so if I die, Dr. H and the BG can confirm that this guy is 100% legit. The only thing is how Im going to get information with this role... I guess I'll go with fishball first since plague docs dont have to target the mayor. Do you mind if you hint that they should vaccinate fishball, since it would sound pretty obvious coming from me. I can hopefully get something from fishball, as he already stated he has a method to check people in his circle. Medic protection would be awesome on him as well
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Ace:
I think we're better off trying to do things quietly in the background. What do you think about using your ability to talk with Fishball for the next Day? Having him + his circle could be great. How much do you trust him though?

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From bumatlarge:
Yeah he's not exactly a prime target if he doesn't get mayor.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Ace:
Meh, I'm still not buying it 100%. I guess I'm just uneasy as to why he's so desperate. If his ability is to coordinate plague doctors then how is that the super power role that he led me to believe? :/

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From bumatlarge:
My bad he he roleclaimed some plague poker or something. He's got something with not being able to be poisoned, and being able to confirm himself if everything was sunshine and daisies in mafia. I still prefer myself as mayor, but he seems to be intent, and nothing screams scum from what I've read.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Ace:
He claimed it? I've only skimmed the thread so I may have missed it. Regardless he's getting extremely desperate for Mayor position based on promises. I'm not going for it. He's already lashed out at so many people I think if he even got Mayor he'd have no support.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From bumatlarge:
Opinions on Dr.H? Claiming Plague doctor I guess, and when he cures or makes you immune, you get a PM saying he did? A viable person to get bodyguards, and Im guessing Plague docs cant get poisoned, but mayor can. If he can confirm this to me, and mafia doesnt have this sort of doctor, I can make a circle for him. And I think people are merging role and alignment cops together, which seems slightly naive considering everyone has a special role.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Ace:
why did you drop out of the Mayor race? o.0

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From bumatlarge:
Any plans for the first lynch? I'll vocalize it for you, and i dont care who.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Ace:
lol umm ok we'll see ^_^


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Original Message From bumatlarge:
Sounds good, VOTE FOR ME THOUGH OK?
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Original Message From Ace:
Nah I'm not going to reveal my role just yet. Hell you could be a Scum Mason for all I know. Besides it's just starting and I'd rather read the thread and jot down notes for now anyway.




-----------------------------------------
Original Message From bumatlarge:
Exactly, and i can pick one of my bodyguards eventually and put some information with him just in case. I'm not going to disclose who I choose, but if im mayor i can tell them what I can do safely. Is your role something you'd like to share, or would you rather keep it quiet? I'd understand considering it's insane mafia, and artanis is likely to put some misleading scum roles like 'can PM people' or something.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Ace:
oh thats even better than I thought. So you can actually end up talking to 2 or 3 people in the same night? You can almost be like a behind the scenes Mayor.

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Original Message From bumatlarge:
I knew you would! And I dont switch, I get to PM you the rest of the game, and keep adding to the list.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Ace:
So you're basically a mason that gets to switch targets. And you know how I feel about Masons - they are awesome ^_^.

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Original Message From bumatlarge:
Woooo PM rights. Im a stalker townie, beginning of every day i can get pm rights with some person, and keep them forever. Nifty. I think that would be pretty decent for a mayor. And I think I can kinda prove my innocence with this? Provided mafia does not have a role meant to copy this one.

Thoughts?





That's the PMs from the game between me and bumatlarge. Take it how you will as I doubt this makes me suspicious.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 23:55 GMT
#2553
Oh this just got very interesting
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 23:58 GMT
#2561
On November 04 2010 08:56 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 08:55 Ace wrote:
Oh this just got very interesting

grats on defiler



thx
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
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