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On October 30 2010 15:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: Holy shit, guys, I go out for a night of Halloween weekend fun, and come back to all this??
@orgolove: You're being an ass. You were kind of an ass in Haunted once your spreadsheet failed, and you're being more of an ass now. Yes, Dr.H made some modding mistakes. But Haunted was a HUGE game, and on top of that, it was a bumblefuck of situations with a shit ton of mod kills. You need to stop bringing it up because it's in the past and shit happens.
@Dr.H: Yes, a lot of arguments have been made at you, and a lot of WIFOM has been brought up. However, I view a lot of it as people playing Devil's Advocate, as I was earlier. Asking all these questions and presenting different scenarios will get the town further into discussion. The fact that so much argument has been put upon you is because people fear you, which is both good and bad. The Mafia are probably terrified that you are gaining influence, and the town is afraid to trust you. That being said, I feel that your role claim gives you a lot of trust, and your posts and strategy has been extremely pro-town.
@town: I encourage you all to keep thinking and presenting different scenarios and challenging theories. Leave the personal attacks at home, and post constructively. We still have ~15 hours to decide our Mayor.
With that, I'm gonna go to bed, don't have TOO many pages for me to read in the morning ^_^ Even though I did present a theory with which DrH could be a red and fake his role, I considered his play fairly town-oriented. But his subsequent defensiveness and posts like
On October 30 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game
and then they want to vote for pandain lololol reduced my trust in DrH significantly. On top of that, his mayoral campaign is based on having an important role which he can 100% confirm as blue. Assuming his roleclaim is totally correct and leaves nothing out, it's probably not worth giving bodyguards to, since preventing Murrayitis is secondary to things such as scumhunting and DT work. Additionally, the scenario I put up seems to have given rise to a lot of discussion about possible ways mafia could thwart DrH's plan. So I can't put full confidence in DrH at the moment, as a townie or as a mayor.
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On October 30 2010 16:51 Veldril wrote: OMG, when I went to bed there was only around 20 pages, and when I woke up it's already 42 *-*.
From the posts three candidates made, I like Dr.H the most since he comes up with a most detailed why he should be elected. And by electing him as mayor, he needs to constantly prove his role to others, which if he fails, we can just lynch him.
Unless other candidates come up with a better campaign post, my vote goes to Dr.H. But I still hope to read a better campaign post from Pandain and Bumatlarge too. Make sure you read through at least the last 5 pages before deciding on DrH, because a lot of arguments detailing why DrH's plan and campaign are less viable than originally presumed have been made in the last couple pages. I'm not saying don't vote for DrH. I'm saying make sure you have the same facts as the rest of the town before electing a mayor.
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On October 31 2010 05:50 Glasse wrote:I made a list with what i think people are. + Show Spoiler + 1. DoctorHelvetica 2. Hyperbola 3. Bumatlarge 4. Veldril 5. Pandain 6. Aeres 7. deconduo 8. Coagulation 9. annul 10. infundibulum 11. Amber[LighT] 12. Kenpachi 13. lol1221 14. Nemesis 15. ghrur 16. KtheZ 17. QuickStriker 18. CubEdIn 19. Meapak_Ziphh 20. SiNiquity 21. DCLXVI 22. Divinek 23. Lexpar 24. ShmotZ 25. Orgolove 26. Node 27. youngminii 28. jcarlsoniv 29. BrownBear 30. Infinitestory 31. Masq 32. NB 33. Glasse 34 Misder 35. kingjames01 36. Ace 37. Fishball 38. kitaman27 39. LunarDestiny
there are only 9 reds, man your list could use a little tweaking
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Top suspects: Kenpachi SiNiquity youngminii
in no particular order
reason: stealthily voting without posting any comprehensive thoughts or reasoning. TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them.
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On October 31 2010 06:08 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:08 infinitestory wrote:
TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them. not the smartest thing to say imo :3 In Mafia XXXI, we had a huge number of people either: 1) posting but without real content 2) posting hardly at all which hindered proper analysis. Like jcarlsoniv said, we need to keep a much better eye on lurkers. I'm not sure why you think that's not smart.
also, 1) posting but without real content this is a hint
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On October 31 2010 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1.5 hours to go Doctorhelvetica: 12 Doctorhelvetica LunarDestiny Aeres jcarlsoniv Node SiNiquity Meapak_Ziphh Veldril CubEdIn Amber[LighT] Kenpachi Elder vote
Bumatlarge: 6 Bumatlarge Ace Lexpar Divinek deconduo infundibulum
Fishball: 5 youngminii orgolove Fishball Misder KtheZ
Pandain: 3 Nemesis Coagulation Pandain
Brownbear: 1 Brownbear
DCLXVI: 1 DCLXVI
kingjames01: 1 kingjames01
annul: 1 annul
kitaman27: 1 kitaman27
Glasse: 1 Glasse
infinitestory: 1 infinitestory
ghrur: 1 ghrur
NB: 1 NB
Not voted yet: 5 Hyperbola, lol1221, QuickStriker, ShmotZ, Masq hey yo what the fuck is an elder vote guys
bet it's a special role which gets 1 extra vote (since there are only 11 people voting for you)
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On October 31 2010 06:38 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:28 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1.5 hours to go Doctorhelvetica: 12 Doctorhelvetica LunarDestiny Aeres jcarlsoniv Node SiNiquity Meapak_Ziphh Veldril CubEdIn Amber[LighT] Kenpachi Elder vote
Bumatlarge: 6 Bumatlarge Ace Lexpar Divinek deconduo infundibulum
Fishball: 5 youngminii orgolove Fishball Misder KtheZ
Pandain: 3 Nemesis Coagulation Pandain
Brownbear: 1 Brownbear
DCLXVI: 1 DCLXVI
kingjames01: 1 kingjames01
annul: 1 annul
kitaman27: 1 kitaman27
Glasse: 1 Glasse
infinitestory: 1 infinitestory
ghrur: 1 ghrur
NB: 1 NB
Not voted yet: 5 Hyperbola, lol1221, QuickStriker, ShmotZ, Masq hey yo what the fuck is an elder vote guys bet it's a special role which gets 1 extra vote (since there are only 11 people voting for you) You must have miscounted. Including this "Elder" fellow, there are 12 votes for the Doc. So, maybe the role you're talking about has been nerfed for this game, or has some other power in conjunction with vote anonymity. fuck i assumed it meant that one person in the list gets an extra vote, which is listed as "Elder"
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On October 31 2010 06:47 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:43 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 06:38 Aeres wrote:On October 31 2010 06:28 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1.5 hours to go Doctorhelvetica: 12 Doctorhelvetica LunarDestiny Aeres jcarlsoniv Node SiNiquity Meapak_Ziphh Veldril CubEdIn Amber[LighT] Kenpachi Elder vote
Bumatlarge: 6 Bumatlarge Ace Lexpar Divinek deconduo infundibulum
Fishball: 5 youngminii orgolove Fishball Misder KtheZ
Pandain: 3 Nemesis Coagulation Pandain
Brownbear: 1 Brownbear
DCLXVI: 1 DCLXVI
kingjames01: 1 kingjames01
annul: 1 annul
kitaman27: 1 kitaman27
Glasse: 1 Glasse
infinitestory: 1 infinitestory
ghrur: 1 ghrur
NB: 1 NB
Not voted yet: 5 Hyperbola, lol1221, QuickStriker, ShmotZ, Masq hey yo what the fuck is an elder vote guys bet it's a special role which gets 1 extra vote (since there are only 11 people voting for you) You must have miscounted. Including this "Elder" fellow, there are 12 votes for the Doc. So, maybe the role you're talking about has been nerfed for this game, or has some other power in conjunction with vote anonymity. fuck i assumed it meant that one person in the list gets an extra vote, which is listed as "Elder" Perhaps, but if that was the case, it'd make more sense to separate the "Elder" part from the list of voters. As it is, it looks like Kenpachi is being identified as the Elder, and I don't think Artanis would want any confusion in the voting thread. If I were Artanis and I had assigned an Elder role like the one you envisioned, Infinitestory, I would simply add in italics/bold next to the candidate / lynchee name "An Elder has voted for this person." It'd clear up any ambiguity that might be present. That makes sense, then. But if elder provides anonymity, can't we deduce the identity from looking at who hasn't voted for anyone but isn't on the "not yet voted" list?
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On October 31 2010 06:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:29 Fishball wrote: We've had similar roles in previous games before. Basically a role that gets an extra vote, and would show up anonymously as "elder".
To be quite bold, I don't like the band wagon you're getting. There are quite a few players that have voted for you, I consider "suspicious" in my books. My only defense is that the last time I was a scum mayor I specifically ordered the mafia to create a "close win" and have me win by 1 or 2 votes. That's pretty meta. And wasn't there a certain Dr who said we should stop using meta in arguments?
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On October 31 2010 06:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:52 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 06:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:29 Fishball wrote: We've had similar roles in previous games before. Basically a role that gets an extra vote, and would show up anonymously as "elder".
To be quite bold, I don't like the band wagon you're getting. There are quite a few players that have voted for you, I consider "suspicious" in my books. My only defense is that the last time I was a scum mayor I specifically ordered the mafia to create a "close win" and have me win by 1 or 2 votes. That's pretty meta. And wasn't there a certain Dr who said we should stop using meta in arguments? I'm ok with using meta when it's about the game itself and not something as far fetched as interpretations of the games storyline. OK, that's fine then.
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On October 31 2010 07:00 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote: Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. I like how none of the players who voted for you are on that list  DrH, is there a particular reason you suspect youngminii and not Kenpachi nor SiNiquity?
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On October 31 2010 07:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:04 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 07:00 Fishball wrote:On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote: Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. I like how none of the players who voted for you are on that list  DrH, is there a particular reason you suspect youngminii and not Kenpachi nor SiNiquity? I'm talking about suspicions based on post behavior purely. The inactives who voted in my bandwagon are on my radar, but I'm not considering them for a day 1 lynch. Youngminii and SiNiquity have virtually identical posting histories in this thread, though.
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On October 31 2010 07:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:06 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 07:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 07:04 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 07:00 Fishball wrote:On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote: Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. I like how none of the players who voted for you are on that list  DrH, is there a particular reason you suspect youngminii and not Kenpachi nor SiNiquity? I'm talking about suspicions based on post behavior purely. The inactives who voted in my bandwagon are on my radar, but I'm not considering them for a day 1 lynch. Youngminii and SiNiquity have virtually identical posting histories in this thread, though. Could you show me SiNiquitys similar post? I remember Young's post because I called him out on it but I don't actually recall any of SiN's posts. That's because he only has one, same as youngminii.
On October 30 2010 11:19 SiNiquity wrote: Mayor gets extra vote (meh) + protection (neat). And a kill on day 1 (eh). So strong blue role should be mayor right, and Dr. H. is the strongest I've seen posted. Pretty much all he says, aside from reiterating the obvious about the mayor, is "DrH is a good mayor candidate" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161289¤tpage=33#652
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On October 31 2010 07:19 Ace wrote: @Aeres: I was talking about the post Dr.H quoted
I swear orgolove and Dr.H remind me of Napoleon and Snowball from Animal Farm. dat reference is excellent
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On October 31 2010 07:48 Infundibulum wrote: I still think Dr H should choose to lynch Pandain, Fishball, or bumatlarge. I feel that we're more likely to hit a mafia from the group of candidates than the group of inactives. I think that's very high-risk, high-reward. The front runner candidates, if not scum, might be blues with very valuable roles (except DrH, who seems to be winning because his claim gave up a lot of information). It makes sense that those of us who consider their roles very powerful would run for mayor as well.
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WHAT THE-
things I note: #1 the circle DEFINITELY exists #2 Artanis is very much capable of lying in the role PM #3 fuck.
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fuck we just lost a plague doctor, didn't we
i find it hilariously ironic that DrH, whose role (if he what he claims is the 100% truth) is dependent highly on the plague doctors, was just arguing in personal attacks with and almost lynched a plague doctor
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On October 31 2010 08:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: When Orgolove died this is how I felt immediately.
Fishball is more than likely a town player.
Mafia bandwagoners are likely the ones that switched their votes from Fishball to me, knowing that his role was very powerful as mayor and that other townies were already attacking me doing their work for them.
But part of me feels very uncomfortable about it. I'm not going to drop out of the election. I do think my voters should seriously reconsider voting for Fishball.
On October 30 2010 04:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: sorry i can't make up my mind artanis
##Unelect Fishball ##Elect DoctorHelvetica
explain?
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On October 31 2010 08:46 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Someone wasn't happy. He picked his nose and threw a booger at the anonimous mafia voter. In shame, the mafia quickly ran out, his vote negated. check this out.... it seems like 1 mafia has been spotted :D I think it's more like someone has the role of negating a vote
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btw guys
On October 31 2010 07:59 infinitestory wrote: WHAT THE-
things I note: #1 the circle DEFINITELY exists #2 Artanis is very much capable of lying in the role PM #3 fuck.
any thoughts? Read artanis' orgolove-modkill post carefully: he notes that even thought the role PM states a 10% chance of killing the target, he reveals that it's actually a 0% chance.
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