EPTJust gonna trow some stuff out here. Plague doctor makes one player immune to M-rus per night. If he can use it on Fishball, that would be pretty nice, even if he can't be rolechecked (unless he cant be M-rused...) Otherwise popular players are good targets too. Essentially you will act like a medic, protecting the innocent! Sounds like you will be incredibly important. I wonder if PDs are already immune to the M-rus, appears reasonable.
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Just gonna trow some stuff out here. Plague doctor makes one player immune to M-rus per night. If he can use it on Fishball, that would be pretty nice, even if he can't be rolechecked (unless he cant be M-rused...) Otherwise popular players are good targets too. Essentially you will act like a medic, protecting the innocent! Sounds like you will be incredibly important. I wonder if PDs are already immune to the M-rus, appears reasonable. | ||
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...I'm deliberating whether we should all claim whether or not we are in this circle or not to at least root out that... though 6 is an easy number to check, wouldn't see it relevant number to choose unless he would handpick from his scumbuddies if he secured himself. Wondering if I should just stick with my thing. | ||
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On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mason so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambit somehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more Well gee, that's curious. I wonder if we go back to bumatlarge's posts and why he said Fishball's method, if true, was faster, what we can put together. Well, I suppose his reasons are still unknown then? Do not vote pandain. Vote anyone but pandain. I say it should be me or fishball. FOR OBVIOUS REASONS STATED ABOVE. I never really retracted my run :/ misinformation! And when I get back from work I'm gonna really go through what people are spreading around. | ||
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I don't have any other role, but I can easily access any circle already made if they are pro town. I don't have anything to hide now, and I guarantee everything I do will have crystal clear reasons as to why. The only thing I will not tell you is who. I believe my method will work slower then fishball, but it will be more effective later on. It's not all that dangerous if I am not mayor, but it can be really strong if I am mayor. I dont think anyone aside from fishball has hinted that they can do this. It should be between me and him. | ||
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On October 29 2010 18:08 bumatlarge wrote: The fact that fishball came out a little late on this is weird, what was he waiting for? Maybe he was talking with his posse? ...I'm deliberating whether we should all claim whether or not we are in this circle or not to at least root out that... though 6 is an easy number to check, wouldn't see it relevant number to choose unless he would handpick from his scumbuddies if he secured himself. Wondering if I should just stick with my thing. | ||
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1) I know Im town, and will work in every way possible to make everything clear to everyone on what is happening. 2) I can make bodyguards in my circle! 100% confirmed townies, so if im poisoned or lynched, I can pass on all my info to them. How you will verify them though, might be a tad confusing. I hope to figure that out, and Im open to ideas. 3) I WONT FUCK IT UP. (Fairly sure fishball wont either if he isnt red) Again, Im fairly certain it should be between fishball and I, because we can make circles happen, and he has stated that he has the power to flesh out the weeds of his. I'd like for him to address connecting circles through me, that would be cool. I need to catch up now, I was working. Also, if a person is contaminated with M-rus in the night, and they are visited that same night, do the visitors contract it? This is very important, because if medics protect him, we need to know how the M-rus functions. | ||
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On October 30 2010 06:10 Pandain wrote: Alright this is pretty bad for town. Alot of people would be alot safer if everyone didn't decide to run for mayor because they need "protection." because honestly, the best protection is secrecy. Now only one of us will win the election, and the rest of us will be sniped off. Also, Bum, whats with anyone but me? I'd like to hear your reasons instead of just words. Merely because you havent hinted at what you could do besides be a mayor. I think every candidate has stated what he is capable of. You, not really...  On October 30 2010 10:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: top medic targets should be: ace bumatlarge fishball Dangerous to be suggesting these things with M-rus around, but I will get to that. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2010 12:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My platform or why I'm running for mayor Simply,I have a role which can do two things: confirm itself to another player at night and help to stop the spread of murrayitis. The first ability will confirm I am who I say I am to the town, if used correctly, and the second will limit the mafia from using the plague to achieve their win condition. I will not allow poor bandwagons and mafia manipulation to influence my decisions and I offer coordination powers that are uncorruptable. So why is it important that you're mayor? I can't coordinate blues and plague doctors if I'm dead. It's also very beneficial to the town to have a mayor that can confirm himself as blue, doubly so if he can be inducted into a town circle. After I am confirmed to be not mafia and am immune to night kills, by being inducted into the circle I can do two things: 1. coordinate blues in the circle further and use myself as a mouthpiece for their communication in the thread. 2. keep an eye on suspicious activity within the circle and relay this information to the town. If I'm not inducted into the circle, I can still easily coordinate doctor action within the thread itself. How can I be sure you are town? + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2010 11:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I can understand why people maybe don't want me to be mayor over fishball but trying to paint me as scum is ludicrous. Let's say I am mafia. I am faking a role in which I confirm my role to another player each night. To fake this I must get another mafia to pretend that I did this each day, who would probably be DT checked immediately throwing me under suspicion. I don't want to say exactly how my second ability works but I can reliably show my powers in helping to stop the spread of the plague. Faking this would be much quicker. It would be incredibly easy to catch me in this lie and since the results of my actions are reflected in the murrayitis numbers and the success of plague doctors, it isn't really something I can pull off. I am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill. An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote. In a normal mafia game, the mayor has 3 extra votes, complete immunity from night actions. A DT can check the mayor for godssake. So for me to pull this off all of the following are true: I am mafia I am godfather I can get the mafia to pretend I am confirming to them without ever being caught I can fake a role that involves stopping the spread of murrayitis which isn't a possibility. Consider all of that for the benefit a mafia player would be going for: extra vote immunity to vigs and also weight the con a mafia has from being mayor: guaranteed DT visit immense pressure/scrutiny from town it really is nonsensical, added to the fact that I can prove my role is what I say it is after the night, there is really nothing here to paint me as scum. If it's made up bullshit, and thats what you believe, then I'm handing you my life and the lives of my scumbuddies on a plate. I'm not a good neighbor. I can not be confirmed by Artanis to be town aligned. However it's as simple as this: 1. I can show my power to the town that is consistent with the role I claimed 2. The nature of the role itself is one that is expressly anti-mafia which can also be demonstrated. Ok. What do you offer aside from your role? I don't like the idea of someone campaigning on their role alone. Independence. A lot of mayors talk about how they're "with the town" and "they'll act for the town" and things like this. This is the opposite of what the mayor should do. With a mayor who is confirmed to be town aligned, acting independently is important to avoid the prevalence of mafia bandwagons. Mafia have the full voting power of their membership. If they are able to manipulate the mayor as well, they can add an additional 2 votes to their poor bandwagon. Having a mayor who doesn't take things at face value and get manipulated by mafia bandwagons is very important. 2 people have already criticized my scumhunting as being bad (even though I've never been townie before so they can't really base it on anything) but I can tell you it isn't. I've been mafia every single game I've been in and I know how the play. I've been a scum mayor before and I know how they play and what they do. I know what gets under the mafias skin. I have a plan for going about scumhunting and it isn't always obvious. But it's something I'm doing constantly and when I feel I'm ready to lay down the hammer of justice, I will. And I will always provide the utmost amount of reason and logic to everything I do. None of my actions will go unexplained, at the end of the day. So that's why I'm running and that's why I feel you should vote for me. Choose wisely town :3 I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die. Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. | ||
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On October 30 2010 13:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I am not plague doctor. I can not cure murrayitis, I can determine 100% who has it. Thus I can direct plague doctors to act reliably. I might as well say how my power works. Once during the night I can poke someone. They will be informed that they were poked by me. Artanis sends this PM. If the poke is successful, I am told and this means they do not have M-rus. A person with M-rus cannot be poked and I will be told by Artanis that they have murrayitis. This is why earlier in the thread (much earlier) i said there was a 1/39 chance my confirmation would fail. Also I am completely immune to M-Rus, I can not be infected with it under any circumstance. Plague doctors should not protect me. This will free up more doctors to protect more people. By giving me immunity from night kills, medics won't have to waste their time on me, even though I'm a big target to mafia, and they can play more effectively. Alright I appreciate your honesty. You would be useful in checking and guiding townie plague doctors, and it doesn't sound like a misleading mafia role unless your lying. I'd rather have a plague doctor as mayor to try my plan, but I can't go around saying SOMEONE CLAIM PLAGUE DOCTOR LOL. I think you've already gotten alot of cred for roleclaiming, so I wouldn't mind you as mayor. Having you immune to M-rus is a huge plus as mayor. I dont find you to be a likely scum, but as people have been linking you and I together for some reason, I won't tell people they should vote for you. I'd like to be mayor because I can manage circles behind my bodyguards. Id rely on a lot of town help, what with being able to be poisoned and such, but I don't mind being a night hit, and I dont mind being investigated, as it's not a useless check, giving some credit to the circles I can form. It's your move town. | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:44 infinitestory wrote: Full agreeal  The fact that nobody provided a non-WIFOM solution to the scenario I proposed, coupled with the relative worthlessness of DrH's ability (in terms of needing bodyguards), has made me change my vote back to myself. You can't really create a non-wifom arguement on the first day without anything happening. Everything is speculation, words or lies. Policies that a mayor will carry out are often why someone is voted in. I can make a circle. I have access to a number of confirmed townies who I can keep information with I am poisoned or lynched for whatever reason. I will relate everything that happens in the circle excluding names. Dr. H stated his policy and plans in a lovely format and fishball did as well I think. | ||
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well better not get into that, at least he proved fishball's circle wish is a big plus for him, doubt any purposeful modkilling happened here, just seems like coincidence. And it seems there mght be alot of 'tidbits' to everyone's role that's not revealed in the PM. I've got a bad feeling about mine hopefully it's something good lol.I need to look through this thread some more. | ||
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My power lets me have a permanent mason relationship with someone the rest of the game. They dont know who else I add each day, and they cannot PM anyone but me. So if im red, i can distort everything to hell. But if I start spreading misinformation, I'd like to think that the people I choose would be smart enough to catch it. And even if M-rus works that it immediately contracts to the person who visits, and then contracts to the person who visits them, I cannot contract it, because I can do it at the start of each day, so people who protect and investigate me are under no danger unless I am plagued. If I am immune, I cannot contract it when I add people, so I feel like a worthy candidate of having a PD vaccinate me. | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: SiNiquity is my first choice at the moment. Similar post to youngminii but I feel more confident that his actual vote was scummy than youngs. I feel that Pandain or BumAtLarge have the highest chances of being scum mayor so I'm looking at their supporters and posting atm. There is some truth to this, I've been looking through the thread and I've noticed a little something relevant. I think a few of us have suggested lynching a candidate. If there was no mafia candidate, I'd imagine a few scum would say that would seem like a good idea. But it was basically you, fishball and myself who have hinted at doing this. No one commented on it. I think it's likely one of the candidates are scum. Though we only really mentioned it when we were looking like we were gaining soe ground in the race. Kill Pandain I say :D | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:46 NB wrote: check this out.... it seems like 1 mafia has been spotted :D wait... so would this person not have to vote, would their vote not count, or if it came own to it, would it not influence the winner? | ||
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On November 01 2010 10:06 Ace wrote: Lexpar said if he dies Dr.H is scum. So I'm guessing he has something that lets him know if he survives the Mayor is legit. I'm not worried about what the Mafia might do because honestly all this WIFOM bullshit is stalling the scumhunt. Let's just keep everything simple shall we? Early Day 1 bumatlarge and Pandain are the main two Mayor candidates. Later on Fishball throws his hat in the ring and gets some votes. Dr.H who first supported Fishball, eventually also runs for Mayor garnering enough votes to win While all of this was going on Fishball, bumatlarge and Dr.H revealed information about their roles. We don't know what the Mafia knows about the game, but from my POV Dr.H saying he could confirm himself is probably a hindrance to the Scum more than Fishball's circle, especially since Fishball hasn't claimed an investigative ability. Night 1 - Dr. H attempts an action and he isn't sure if it worked or not. Now before this action happens ask yourself how strongly you believed in Dr.H being pro-town. If you believed so then there's a damn good chance he indeed was roleblocked. No need to keep wondering about what if's or who's playing a trick on you. A confirmed townie is dangerous and if Dr.H is telling the truth then Scum would indeed want to roleblock him. I think it's important to note how much shit Dr. H is getting. If I know Dr. H, hes familiar with mafia. Often times in games when you are roleblocked, you receive a PM informing you of such. If Dr. H was lying, I'd imagine he'd say he got a PM saying so. So here is what we can deduce. 1. Dr. H is town, is poke was stopped by a silent RB. 2. Dr. H is mafia, and we can assume this silent RB exists. 3. There was some other interference involving the recipient, jcarl. Either he is lying, some other ability came into play from the interaction, or someone else was poked by another ability. So if you were poked, it very important, and reletively safe, for you to claim you were. | ||
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I was going over node's posts, and his role, and was getting really suspicious until I read this. On November 01 2010 08:05 Node wrote: At the beginning of the day, I am informed of a person who will die during the night. This is why I believe the "+1" of the mafia's 2+1 KP is not murrayitis related. If I had to guess, I would say that it's a randomly chosen townie, as I can't see the mafia having a predetermined hit at the beginning of the day, especially on the first day. I must have missed it the first time. It explains alot, and it's a dangerous thing to claim. We should keep him safe. If there is a bomber, he will be reluctant to be used early on, and it will give us alot of info, plus id imagine the insane variant of a SB will be pretty.... insane. You should tell us who will die regardless, we might not even want to protect them as their death would confirm you and that person as 100% townies in my eyes. They could say some last words, and we wouldnt have to be suspicious of them. | ||
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The only thing holding me back is how very thin a ruse this would be as mafia. What would it even do... | ||
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Fairly ceretain that is a message mafia is allowed to convey. It has been done in other games. To debate on what the words mean just leads to WIFOM, but observing the way they are delivered on the other hand... | ||
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Come now glasse use that vibrant imagination of yours. You can be the official GM whisperer. Look at things and tell us what they really mean. | ||
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