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There seriously would be no reason why trash/garbage collector would have any distinctions, I have no idea what that mini debate was for.
And sorry about the shouting but I literally just finished saying this shit
Yeah, this abundance of role claims is getting midly irksome, I think it hinders the town and helps the mafia a little too much. You have to remember the mafia can fake roles pretty easily in this set up and the more information we give them on what roles we have the more information they have to work with and get better targets while the town has to second guess the possibility of the lynch candidate of being a mafia and not a real blue.
Its just so stupid because you said the exact thing I just warned against. Like seriously you doubt over 8 days of posting that the mafia would actually have a hard time coming up with some variation of a veteran role so he must be innocent? One of the first things I would do as mafia in a game like this is figure out what crazy ass shit I would claim if I got in a jam to try to get me out of it. Which is exactly what just happened whether or not he is mafia is irrelevant because it makes us dismiss facts and analysis just because someone claimed.
Like right now what if I were to claim my role was Morpheus and I have an extra night life and if I die by mafia hit while Neo is still alive he gains an additional night kill on top of whatever power he chose. Maybe not the best example but I thought of it in 30 seconds to complement a role we already saw.
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Anyway, I am going to work. I will be back in like 6 hours.
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On November 08 2010 06:51 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 06:48 LunarDestiny wrote:
Infinitestory, do you know my next icon is and what post count?
This icon of mine (I think it is a devourer), looks like shit. idk, but if i had to guess i'd say ultralisk or guardian
To respond to this as I catch up.
It goes Devourer, guardian Infested terran defiler then ultralisk iirc.
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You have to be kidding me -_-; I go AFK for one night and the town becomes retarded. You guys need to think reasonably a lot more often and remember to put a lot of emphasis on what the plans of previous days were because usually when chaos like today happens its because we were close to something and we need to go back and figure out what it was.
First off, I read everything now. Pandain is the mafia godfather, I would say this with 99% certainty. His role checks out with KtheZ but his behavior has been anything but town. Pandain has been playing the role of the mafia aggressor to a tee. He attacked the shit out of DrH with half assed reasons hand in hand with another confirmed mafia. When we were debating between the lynch of the two I would say the mafia swayed that to try to get pandain to live a little longer, when coagulation was dead in the water. While all this is going on we can see plenty of posts from coagulation (from early days) recommending that we check all the mayoral candidates. The reason for this I would assume is because they knew he wouldn't come back as red. When pandain gets called out after the Coagulation lynch he keeps saying let me live and check me while claiming the most easy to fake town role.
When he manages to live the next day he continues being aggressive as shit against Kita along with Ace while revealing another alignment check. He is non stop aggressive until he can't be anymore.
Pandain's behavior is typical of a player who isn't entirely familiar with how to play mafia and just runs gungho pointing fingers at everyone, I imagine he felt even more secure after being spared a day and knowing that he wouldn't be returned red on a check which is why he continued being aggressive.
This is why tomorrow our first lynch is going to be pandain and from there we have a chance. No matter what the fuck happens tomorrow, I don't care if the entire mafia team role claims except for pandain, we fucking kill the guy. NO MORE DISTRACTIONS.
This brings me to another suspect now Meapak. I mentioned it in the thread earlier, saving yourself using a role claim is so fucking anti town and doens't prove shit. Look at Pandain as a prime example, the guy is clearly mafia and made us second guess ourselves which cost us him on a double lynch. He was able to make sense of his claim because of how strait forward it was and easy to fake and look where it landed us? Two dead townies and half the town somehow thinking the guy is innocent.
Now lets go to meapak, he has been lurking, not really contributing and pops out to defend himself only when he was a lynch candidate. That is typical mafia lurking behavior, and what was his huge defense? "Granny Veteran" A role that lets him have an extra night life, wow that is just about as hard to prove as being a trash collector. I will say that I am not as confident with the meapak vote as I am with pandain but I think it also sets a very important principle.
Claiming a role isn't going to save yourself, make your defense save you. Trying to guilt trip the town because they don't want to kill a blue when EVERYONE IS FUCKING BLUE is not fucking town play. Everyone has to understand this, unless there is an actual justifiable reason to claim your role then you shouldn't be doing it. Claiming a role in defense of yourself will from now on be considered auto mafia. Defend yourself with arguments and better candidates and why would you need to claim your role? Unless there are no better candidates.
So my next proposed lynch for tomorrow would be mepak because of moderately high levels of suspicion and setting a principle that a role claim isn't going to save you.
On November 08 2010 03:31 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 03:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On November 08 2010 03:05 infinitestory wrote:On November 08 2010 03:01 Kenpachi wrote:On November 08 2010 02:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I will be voting for hyperbola and Kenpachi, neither have contributed much and both seem like they are scum flying under the radar. Now I realize that these are the same arguments people are using against me and I really don't have a defense for that except that I'm not scum, if it would help I'll roleclaim. Then roleclaim to defend yourself instead of saying that you have no defense Not necessarily. Only if you think it'll help your defense. >__> I'll role claim because it's the only thing I have left at this point. I am the Veteran Granny, I can survive a hit but "doctors keep pushing me around", so if a doctor visits me, they will die. I'm guessing this refers to plague doctors so if I was to be infected I couldn't be healed. ok holy shit, i don't think there's any way to make that up
This is the exact mentality we are going to be avoiding from now on.
The next person is Ace. I think Ace still being alive in and of itself deserves some recognition. But on to valid arguments. Ace was coasting by after a bad band wagon on moderate levels of activity, but the real thing is his spurt of activity truly came when Kitaman called him out. This was really interesting because Ace became extremely aggressive trying to prove a really interesting defense by saying that Kita fucked up his role claim. The reason this is suspicious is because claiming his role right off the bat in this situation serves a purpose, it clears him entirely by justifying why he had killed someone last night while also keeping the town focused on pandain, but instead it degenerates to chaos and a huge fight with distracts the town and throws us off very much and opens up the floodgates of huge spam posts back and forth attacks no one trusting each other and putting us into more disarray. I cannot honestly see how Ace being the player that he is could see the town being more confused and being thrown into more chaos as a positive outcome.
The whole situation read very strangely, then on top of that Ace agrees after like 8 pages of intense arguing that he is willing to call a truce after role claiming a vigilante variant which could of saved us a ton of time and pointless arguing if he had done it hours and pages earlier. I think there is a pretty good chance Ace is mafia based off of this, however there is a couple of reasons I doubt it and would hold off his lynch.
The first reason to hold off on Ace's lynch is because I don't think Ace is dumb enough to expose himself and pandain by having pandain violently attacking his accuser. Considering they were posting at the same time if they were the same alignment they would of been able to communicate somehow and flag pandain away and tell him to back off or he would be revealing himself, and since I know Ace is good and I am pretty damn sure pandain is mafia I don't see how they can be linked in that sense. It just feels off. The second thing that feels iffy is that there is no counter claim for the death of deconduo which also makes me feel as though Ace may have just gotten overzealous when attacking Kita not entirely realizing the full effects of his actions.
On November 08 2010 15:33 Ace wrote:
@Nemesis: I'm not exactly a Vigilante per se. I've got a very careful role but I'm not going to fully claim yet. I'm just wondering how he can have the role he says he has but not be able to disclose some critical information.
I would like to know the specifics of your role unless there is some seriously dire reason you can't reveal it right now, and if so I would like to know when you can reveal more information about it.
So that is it, tomorrow whatever the fuck happens you guys make sure we follow what makes sense and stop getting manipulated and distracted. Tomorrow night we hopefully get us two mafia and some more information on the intricacies of Ace's role.
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lol I think its a logical assumption that there is a godfather in this game. There is a bunch of power roles, I would imagine getting a bunch of power roles for mafia involved a godfather, and no that is not the only argument against pandain. Do I seriously have to do an analysis on him? Is everyone's recall that bad?
The argument against pandain is typical mafia aggression, convenient lynches yesterday and chaos that caused him to live and two innocent people to get lynched. When hunting for mafia you don't just look at the behavior as one, you have to assume the town is getting manipulated and see who that manipulation benefited the most, especially on a double lynch that dodged all mafia deaths on day 4.
Pandain has continued his aggression and was supported by coagulation while double attacking DrH. A strong mafia tell is defending your partner by attacking his attacker, its the same shit. He is just hiding behind a facade of being a half useful detective role which magically has not turned up a mafia role yet, how I am not surprised?
If you seriously want to make me do it and explaining the above twice isn't enough to go off of I will do the analysis but it will take a lot of time that I don't think I need to spend on him.
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Two claimed investigative roles in the game remaining is what I think you mean. We still have IS and Kitaman, but if you disagree that Kita could be considered an investigative role then you can't very well say yours is either. If you want to count that ends us with 4 supposed investigative roles that are public as of now, which is ignoring the possibility that someone in the game has a role and just hasn't claimed. You, Kita, KtheZ and IS are the ones who have claimed investigative roles, three of you remain.
I honestly have no idea how KtheZ got lynched to be honest. As far as my vote on Hyperbola goes, it seemed like a good lynch and I wasn't hear to see all the band wagoning and lack of resistance against it, or maybe I would of thought twice, however I doubt it. I also voted for you if you remember, and I blame the chaos of the day for letting you get off the hook. I was busy and didn't get to catch up until the day actually ended and here we are.
The thing is, if you think someone is scum you have to be open to the possibility that they are not as well, usually that doesn't lead to such an extreme level of aggression. Being overly aggressive like you have been is a clear mafia tell, and yes you can say you would pursue anyone to the ends of the earth but keep in mind I have played with you before and I know that is bullshit. In team melee mafia you posted a pretty good analysis but let the mafia team dismiss it and continue running the town. So saying that you are always aggressive when you believe someone is mafia is a load of shit. You attacked people multiple times this game with half an idea in your head and just continued ramming into a wall hoping to cause an effect, and in previous games when you actually put thought and time into something you don't even pressure your opinion and your thoughts, you just let yourself get ignored then killed the following night.
Does that really sound consistent with what you are saying?
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So you wrote an analysis on someone because you didn't think they were scum?
As for me not being agressive previous games, note that I said "If I think someone is scum." In those games, I was persuaded that they were in fact not scum. If no one gives reasons why someone is not scum, after I give my argument, then I will go ahead on my own belief they are scum. That's why me and Dr. H were just in intense debate, because we were running around in circles but had different interpertations of certain facts that were essential to the debate.
you out yourself here. In those games you put real effort into proving someone was scum but were discouraged away from it, now in this game you are scum and you attack people and you are claiming you are MORE convinced in this game that those you accused of scum are/were scum which is how you justify attacking them without a second thought? It seems like you are admitting in your previous games that you applied more caution to your accusations while in this game you seem to haphazardly attacked people with unruly conviction.
The only reason you would be MORE relentless in a game then you are now is either a complete change in personality or a different role which is making you act differently. The choice seems obvious considering that was only 1-2 games ago. If you want to add further evidence on top of that you are MORE SURE in an insane mafia set up of someones role where everything is erratic and hectic then you were in a standard F11 set up where everything plays out normally. Do you see the issue here? You should be more confident in a game with more open information but instead you somehow are more confident in this game where the roles are crazy and people motivations can never be 100% sure until they flip.
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Off to work though, see you all when the day comes.
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What the fuck?
GG 
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On November 12 2010 07:53 Nemesis wrote:
Night 4 - Infinitestory(I was roleblocked)
Suck it.
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On November 12 2010 11:08 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 11:03 LunarDestiny wrote:
instead of arguing about the balance in the game. Why don't you argue against the difference between a tracker and a watcher? Just read about 20 pages back when I used that one to stay alive.
That was so fucking pro I was laughing my ass off while I was watching you defend that one. So fucking great.
Why did the third party target infundi anyway? That seemed random. They must of doubted that pandain was actually mafia and just assumed he was retarded. But I think its hilarious that we as mafia spent two days bussing pandain and failed, then that night me and Ace die after posting KILL PADAIN posts all over the place and it practically cemented his blue status when it was supposed to set us up for late game.
Fucking epic.
But jeez, I really thought when we were Ace and L were defending themselves against third party and Kita and attacking pandain and pandain STILL kept siding with them and supporting what they were saying you guys would realize something was off. It was hilarious, I wish there was an IRC log of me yelling at pandain.
There was a lot of it.
Great game overall guys, I had a fuckton of fun. We need more crazy games because they are what really make shit crazy and interesting, for me anyway. I think me and Ace talked about it on IRC a couple of days ago, but F11 are pretty linear but help with getting skill with mafia just for these insane games where shit hits the fan in grand style every fucking day.
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On November 12 2010 14:27 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 14:18 infinitestory wrote:On November 12 2010 14:17 LSB wrote:I know this game was awesome. But can we just calm down and be friends?ps I'm going to miss you blue font Thanks for hosting ossum game! btw, I asked in jest for a check on Coag night 1... did that really have no bearing on me checking him night 2? If so, LOL lucks OHMAHGAWD HOST CHEATED FOR TOWN
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dem niggaz needed the help newayz
Also I am still pissed and confused to why amber targeted me
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On November 15 2010 13:30 infinitestory wrote:
blagh Ace infecting infun -> i checked infun and got murrayitis -> veldril fails to protect me, instead getting killed with me while curing murrayitis -> we lose a medic and i don't get to see that L is mafia -> town loses
HUGE CHAIN REACTION@@
What is actually funny about this is it all happened because I chose to role block nemesis. If I roleblocked Amber instead I wouldn't of died but the two of you would of lived. Nemesis was protecting you as well, but since he was role blocked you were just getting cured, not protected and cured.
So some way someone was getting fucked. I thought that was an awesome chain reaction considering I thought the night was going to be mundane because of all the actions we had seen before, I figured just the mafia kills would go through with no blocks. But instead we get a massacre and a half.
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Rookie Mistake Award for doing well yet doing wrong
This award goes to LunarDestiny. As the third party, he was to attempt to win with either the mafia or the town. Night 4, mafia was in perfect victory mode. Ace and Pandain were ‘confirmed’ and no one had any idea of what to do. However, he made the mistake of shooting Ace. He didn’t realize how powerful the mafia was. Although the third party did make the mafia’s life hard, if the third party sided with the mafia, and maybe tried to shoot Veldril (like their win condition stated), they easily could have cleaned house.
*cough*
<3
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