Insane Mafia - Page 111

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

November 02 2010 21:30 GMT

#2201

I didn't like the fact that you roleclaimed to me and brought so much attention to yourself like that. That's why I didn't poke you that night.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

November 02 2010 21:37 GMT

#2202

I'm not blaming you, but there was no other person I trusted more.

Fact is though, I'm pretty relaxed because I'm pretty sure that with arguments like these, the Mafia will be strolling through this game easy peasy.

And since most of you are so fond of ifs and maybes, here's a question for you:
If you were Mafia, how would you act towards my role-claim? Both you (Dr.H) and L.
Is the answer "Exactly like we did so far, so that the town will get rid of you and we don't have to waste a role-blocker and a hit for one person"? Just asking.

Canada4732 Posts

November 02 2010 21:38 GMT

#2203

On November 03 2010 06:18 CubEdIn wrote:

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On November 03 2010 06:12 L wrote:

On November 03 2010 05:50 CubEdIn wrote:

On November 03 2010 05:39 L wrote:

On November 03 2010 04:48 CubEdIn wrote:

On November 03 2010 04:39 L wrote:

On November 03 2010 04:25 CubEdIn wrote:

On November 03 2010 03:55 L wrote:

On November 03 2010 03:37 CubEdIn wrote:
But this discussion is pointless.

As I said, I can't do much to prove it.
You can have your doubts, but unless you think that I'm red, this argument is leading nowhere.

Even if I HAD other abilities or there was more to my role, I wouldn't go "oh right, not that you mention it... ", would I? So why do we keep going on these steep slopes to nowhere-land?

You'll see if I was lying or not when I die, it's as simple as that, but unless you think I could hurt the town, the argument is pointless.
I'm not even going to discuss the "Maybe you spread m-rus or some shit" accusation, as a doctor who spreads disease is less logical than anything I said in this thread.

Because they don't go to nowhere land. They see if you're bullshitting about your role, and thusfar you've only made my suspicions deeper.

We just saw a doctor that had a chance to kill his prot target. If spreading the virus because you are an unsanitary doctor or something is far fetched, I'd imagine killing your target is even more crazy, right?

So far you're standing out like a sore thumb. You only reply in the thread when people comment about your roleclaim and your roleclaim itself is messed up. You even say right here that even if you had other abilities you'd actively mislead the town about them, which makes me wonder why you bothered to hide them. If you had something legitimate to hide, it would be as simple as saying "yes, there are other strings attached, but I don't want mafia to know what they are". Your reaction here is hyper defensive too; you admit something looks weird, then you get angry when people talk about it.

So yeah, stuff STILL isn't adding up. Its not necessarily your fault, because like I said before its possible that your role can be manipulated by another role.

First of all, get your facts straight.
I admit I haven't posted a lot, but that's because 80% of this thread is assumptions, maybes, ifs, and general bullshit caused by people like you.
As I said, you can have your doubts, you can believe me or not, but you're doing absolutely 0 good by arguing with me. Feel free not to believe me, but getting from that (not just a regular townie) to this (infecting people, trying to mislead the town, etc) is a big step.
And I've not only posted when people talk about my role, I posted A LOT of times (do a search, it's quite easy using TL's search function, you can see all my posts in this thread) complaining about people who only rely on maybes, instead of trying to rely on the few things in this game that COULD be facts.

Let's say I lie. There's a 50-50% chance that I am, correct? That still leaves 50% that I'm telling the truth. Now are you gonna base your play on a 50% shot of me not lying, or on the very-off-chance that all the story you practically invented over the past two pages is somehow true? Which is more likely?
I've been begging for reason since this game started, since we have nothing else to go on, but it seems that some people would do anything to cause chaos, wild theories, and to throw stuff off-track.
I'm not saying you're mafia, but you're going through a lot of trouble to cause chaos in my opinion.

So let me sum-it-up:
I'm being defensive, but I'm just trying to hold this thing on it's rails. I agree with you not believing I'm telling the truth, but don't go so far as to make up stories. Just try to reason instead of derailing. Just assume I'm something else, or red, or whatever, but try and stop there, since you can't possibly know what everyone's role is, and since we don't even have a role list, you're only causing chaos.

Way over the top on the defensive, bro. I did check your post history, in the past 30 pages its pretty much all reaction.

What chaos am i creating? I stated your role doesn't make sense. I didn't say its your fault. If it isn't you that's holding back info, mafia can probably fuck with you.

And that's some kinda crazy wild theory? Sorry, this offensive defense doesn't cut it. Voted for you.

Yeah, I was thinking that you might vote and try to start a bandwagon shortly after I posted that.

You stated my role doesn't make sense. I begged to differ, other players did as well, and that's when you started to theorize. Not just once, but you came up with many different reasons why I would be lying, all of which are based on roles that exists in your mind alone, as far as we know.
That's where the wild theories are. Please remember this, your logic and where it came from, when my role will be revealed (either by death, end of game etc.). If nothing else sticks to you from this game, then let it just be this: You'd rather make up a whole imaginary scenario in your mind, and rely your game-plan on that, rather than give someone the benefit of a doubt.

Cube, feel free to read my posts. I made no 'gameplan' based on imaginary stuff. I said your role seems fishy. I asked if you were hiding something. You said no, but that even if you were, you wouldn't tell me anything (lol wut, why bother saying that?). I pressed you again because of how much you were slipping up. You then went batshit crazy. Normally I'd expect a newer town player to react like that, but you've been around the block more than once so you know better.

This is the second time you overtly mischaracterize my posts. Last time someone went out of their way to do that it was Ace and he was mafia, so get your shit straight. Additionally this defense has been almost entirely composed of "I don't agree" with no rationale behind it.

If other people agree that you're fishy, they can feel free to vote for you. It can't be worse than voting out Aeres to die when the entire argument group is probably town on town rape melee.

You do realize that I have no fear of being voted for with less than 4 hours left. There's no way I'd get majority that fast, with this little evidence.
I'm just asking you to remember this moment when roles will be revealed.

I didn't go crazy, I got angry because these kind of posts are the ones that I stood up against from day one. And the fact that you don't care about the simple coinflip of "is he lying or not" and choose to go based on your own theories (doesn't really matter if they were wild or reasonable). That's what makes me irk.
And this whole "he's being super defensive so he must be mafia" is pretty much bull, and very "WIFOM", and pretty much encourages lurking, but oh well.

Its not a simple coinflip of "is he lying or not" its a question of how likely mods were to include a role which makes no sense, and why it wasn't just "you're a doc, maf are told who you are n1". Its also a question regarding how you reacted to it.

"is he lying or not" is going to be a question that we need to ask whenever anyone says anything. Period. The more outlandish the claim, the more we're going to ask the question. In your case, I can't see a mod cooking up that role, so I fully expect that:

1) you're flat out lying
2) you're hiding something because you're worried mafia could exploit a part of your role
3) there's some kind of third party that interacts with your choices.

And no, he's being super defensive isn't bull. Look at the first posts I made. I outlined some possibilities and said it was odd. You're the one that rolled in and vastly exaggerated the amount of suspicion that was on you, then acted scummy like whoa.

The cherry on the cake here is the statement that you aren't worried about getting voted out despite having been hyper-defensive for pages. Either you've got a voting block to pad you via fishball or mafia, or you've got a split personality.

No, you just don't seem to understand me. I'm not being defensive because I fear death. Because that would prove my claim and incriminate you (since you went, are still going to great lengths to make your point). I'm being defensive because I don't think you're mafia, and I think your theories are hurting the town, making you a bad player in this case (because I agreed to some of your other posts, so I'm not saying you're a bad player in general).

Here, let me add one to your list:
1) you're flat out lying
2) you're hiding something because you're worried mafia could exploit a part of your role
3) there's some kind of third party that interacts with your choices.
4) you're telling the truth, and i've pretty much insulted the mods for coming up with this "dumb" role

Are you even considering that one? Do you have at least a 20% shadow of a doubt in your mind that you might just be wrong with this one?

No shadow of doubt. Mods aren't idiots. They aren't the only ones who look at the game content either; there's a balance group that discusses game formats and certain players will get asked to look over the role format prior to game starts for balance if they aren't playing.

Dunno if you've ever been called to give commentary about how a game setup looks, but I have.

I can't imagine a role like this getting through 6+ people without being flagged as garbage.

As for the theories are 'hurting' the town. If you're not bullshitting me, I've given mafia the incentive to stay off you in the hopes that I continue pushing you. If you are bullshitting me, you can be 100% certain I'm not hurting town by calling out a shitty roleclaim. I'm pretty sure the only thing the theories have done is force you post and get people to think critically about what you've actually said. That's bad why? If you're like 75% certain you're going to self prot, even the attention focus on you leading into night plays into proper play.

Its pretty clear you're trying to backpedal the fuck outta this conversation, so feel free to just stop replying. You really aren't doing yourself favors with these posts :/.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

November 02 2010 21:38 GMT

#2204

I didn't know that we were back into the "ifs and "what ifs" circle again

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

November 02 2010 21:39 GMT

#2205

On November 03 2010 06:37 CubEdIn wrote:
I'm not blaming you, but there was no other person I trusted more.

Fact is though, I'm pretty relaxed because I'm pretty sure that with arguments like these, the Mafia will be strolling through this game easy peasy.

And since most of you are so fond of ifs and maybes, here's a question for you:
If you were Mafia, how would you act towards my role-claim? Both you (Dr.H) and L.
Is the answer "Exactly like we did so far, so that the town will get rid of you and we don't have to waste a role-blocker and a hit for one person"? Just asking.

I'm just explaining my reasoning for not necessarily trusting you, I'm not accusing you of being scum.

Canada4732 Posts

November 02 2010 21:39 GMT

#2206

Fact is though, I'm pretty relaxed because I'm pretty sure that with arguments like these, the Mafia will be strolling through this game easy peasy.

WAT.

Canada4732 Posts

November 02 2010 21:40 GMT

#2207

On November 03 2010 06:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
CubEdIn originally roleclaimed only to me. After I told him PMs were illegal and that I had to report him he roleclaimed to the whole town.

Much easier to make up a role to trick one person than it is to make up a role to trick the whole town no? It also seems inconsistent with the idea that "I can roleclaim because mafia know I'm the medic anyway", since why wouldn't he just roleclaim to the town right off the bat?

WAT.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

November 02 2010 21:46 GMT

#2208

Yeah, L, you keep saying that you're not hurting the town, but to me, pushing people towards someone who has a high chance of being blue (even though, not in your eyes), is pretty hurtful to the town.

Not focusing blame on reds, is pretty hurtful to the town.

Playing based on intuition and "this role can't possibly exist in insane mafia", is hurtful to the town.

And yeah, with players like you in the front lines, the Mafia has a STRONG chance of winning. I've been saying this for a long time now, it's no news.
In fact, the more you assure me that you're confident in your guess, the more I look forward to dying due to your accusations, just to see how you're gonna backpedal your way out of that one.

You're probably going to blame mods for creating this dumb role, and say that your reasoning was foolproof, but it's not your fault that my role was this crappy. Good luck with that!

Canada4732 Posts

November 02 2010 21:51 GMT

#2209

Okay, so volunteer yourself to die. You basically just got revealed to have cheated, lied about why you roleclaimed, and admitted you're cool with the prospect of mafia steamrolling the game.

I seriously don't see how you have a 'high chance of being blue". You made a claim out of the blue and tried to use it to get in with the mayor.

LunarDestiny

United States4177 Posts

November 02 2010 21:55 GMT

#2210

I was going to type my reason for voting Aeres and Pandain had to post that.

I also found out that my knowledge of how bodyguard works was incorrect. There goes half of my reasoning behind lynching Aeres.

DrH's reply to Pandain is logical and I don't believe that Pandain is try to twist your word to make you look scum. I think he is misinform about your ability to semi prove that a person is town or mafia (heck. I was confused about your ability before that reply of yours).

Now for who I should vote (does it matter at this point?)
Youngminii - No one reply to my post that was made 2 hours before about how Infinitestory's post depicts why youngminii gunning for Aeres is scummy. As of now, he somehow escaped lynching (from the things happened in this game, this is not the most crazy thing). When asked about his role, he refuse to say much except that he is blue...

Aeres - He was my prime target but after I found out about what bodyguards really do, I drop most of my claim that it is beneficial for mafia to roleclaim bodyguard when they are willing to roleblock mayor every night. The reason left over is he lied about being a bodyguard.

Divinek - he is being targeted because of inactiveness... won't modkill do the work?

CubEdIn - There's not much information about him. He did role claim as doctor right? If that is true, someone needs to protect him and speak up in the future if their night protection worked. If not, he will end up dead.

I still don't have a strong opinion on who is mafia. I do agree that lying is pretty bad. If mafia can get away with a exposed fake roleclaim, then they can do it again (especially in this game where they can make up role). Also, I do agree that we will be talking about Aeres for the rest of the game if it is not resolved today. Because there is a lack of clear target for today, I believe we can use it to clear out this confusion.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

November 02 2010 21:55 GMT

#2211

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On November 03 2010 06:46 CubEdIn wrote:
Yeah, L, you keep saying that you're not hurting the town, but to me, pushing people towards someone who has a high chance of being blue (even though, not in your eyes), is pretty hurtful to the town.

Not focusing blame on reds, is pretty hurtful to the town.

Playing based on intuition and "this role can't possibly exist in insane mafia", is hurtful to the town.

And yeah, with players like you in the front lines, the Mafia has a STRONG chance of winning. I've been saying this for a long time now, it's no news.
In fact, the more you assure me that you're confident in your guess, the more I look forward to dying due to your accusations, just to see how you're gonna backpedal your way out of that one.

You're probably going to blame mods for creating this dumb role, and say that your reasoning was foolproof, but it's not your fault that my role was this crappy. Good luck with that!

I propose inferiority complex:

CubEdln

Remind me CubEdln, was the color of the pill you chose blue or red?

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

November 02 2010 21:55 GMT

#2212

Volunteer myself? So that the blame of killing a doctor will be lifted off your shoulders. Yeah. Sure!

You asked me to stop posting, but I want you to really get involved in this, so if what I say turns out to be right, then you will have a LOT harder time of clearing your name.
I don't mind being lynched, but you're not getting away with being just an instigator. I want you to be sort-of the hangman, so that I'm not being lynched in vain.

That is, of course, if you can get enough people to believe in your argument which relies mostly on "your role is too dumb to be true".

deconduo

Ireland4122 Posts

November 02 2010 21:56 GMT

#2213

On November 03 2010 06:51 L wrote:
Okay, so volunteer yourself to die. You basically just got revealed to have cheated, lied about why you roleclaimed, and admitted you're cool with the prospect of mafia steamrolling the game.

I seriously don't see how you have a 'high chance of being blue". You made a claim out of the blue and tried to use it to get in with the mayor.

I think you are overreacting on this matter. You missed the start of the game and obviously you haven't caught up properly at all.

He PM'd Dr. H without realising it was against the rules, and that was all cleared up ages ago. Mods know about it etc.

In case you haven't noticed this is INSANE mafia, There are going to be some weird nonsensical roles. Considering there is up to thirty nine different roles to come up with, not everything is going to be scrutinized and perfectly balanced.

Canada4732 Posts

November 02 2010 21:57 GMT

#2214

I'm super disappointed that I need to take off, but don't be too Romanian while i'm gone, cube. If your English is making you say dumb stuff, proof read before posting.

Otherwise: toodles.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

November 02 2010 21:58 GMT

#2215

@ LunarDestiny:

I don't advise people protecting me, since I'll most likely self-protect until I see someone worth protecting.
Unless you think Mafia will waste both role-block and a kill point on me, in which case, I wouldn't mind.

@ kita

Lol. It was the red pill. Red = Doctor, Blue = Townie.

Nemesis

Canada2568 Posts

November 02 2010 21:58 GMT

#2216

ENOUGH WIFOM argument please...

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

November 02 2010 22:00 GMT

#2217

On November 03 2010 06:57 L wrote:
I'm super disappointed that I need to take off, but don't be too Romanian while i'm gone, cube. If your English is making you say dumb stuff, proof read before posting.

Otherwise: toodles.

WTF does that mean. I know I made some mistakes but I can't edit my post. However, I doubt I've gone so far as to be "misunderstood" due to my English.

Besides, I'm pretty sure my English is far better than your Romanian.

Canada4732 Posts

November 02 2010 22:00 GMT

#2218

On November 03 2010 06:55 CubEdIn wrote:
Volunteer myself? So that the blame of killing a doctor will be lifted off your shoulders. Yeah. Sure!

You asked me to stop posting, but I want you to really get involved in this, so if what I say turns out to be right, then you will have a LOT harder time of clearing your name.
I don't mind being lynched, but you're not getting away with being just an instigator. I want you to be sort-of the hangman, so that I'm not being lynched in vain.

That is, of course, if you can get enough people to believe in your argument which relies mostly on "your role is too dumb to be true".

If you volunteer yourself to die to show your colour, its pretty obvious I'll be heavily implicated, which is fantastic because if you're not lying and are just intensely inept, you'll have gotten 2 blues killed, then 6 from mafia, and i'm pretty sure if we have 3 infections per day that we'll be a day away from m-rus popping. Add in modkills and the game's done.

Don't see why a townie would be jonesing for the opportunity to lose the game, but whatever, you don't seem to think too much before posting.

And away I go.