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On November 11 2010 05:29 L wrote:
You aren't town, and your numbers are off.
Go do your math again. You and Glasse aren't counted in the 6 remaining blues, because hey, look at that, you aren't blue. There are 11 people alive. 6 town. 3 mafia, and you two. If we lynch you two tonight, we end with 6 town/3 mafia. If they hit 2 of us and I hit one of them, we end up with 4/2.
4/2 means mrus pops, we probably go down to 2/1. Lylo for the game.
The alternative is that we lose straight up tonight.
My numbers aren't off...
We now have 6 town, 3mafia, 2 third.
You propose that town lynch the 2 third->6town 3mafia.
At night 2 mafia night kill, you claim to have a KP will use it (ASSUMING YOU ARE NOT LYING AND ASSUMING YOU GOT M-RUS)->3 town dead or 2 mafia 1 town dead.
Remaining 3 town 3 mafia OR 4town 2 mafia.
My math is GOOD? ASSUMING that someone is not lying AND ASSUMING that someone got M-RUS AND ASSUMING that someone does a successful hit is also GOOD too.
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On November 11 2010 06:53 Ace wrote:
oh come on, how many hoops does this circus act have?
L failed to get me dead. Woo.
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On November 11 2010 06:52 Pandain wrote:However that still means you could ally with them.... I'll have to analyze this... after some sc2 first 
If town believe in L, I will shut up.
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It is now Day 5! You have 48 hours to vote. Remember that a double lynch is active, so you have to vote twice. Should everyone have voted earlier, I will close the votes earlier.
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On November 11 2010 06:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Regarding win condition: Mafia need to kill all non-mafia non-third party members to win. LSB is wrong in this. I decided on this ruling because a number of things could still jeopardize mafia victory even if they gain a numerical advantage in town, therefore they wouldn't be assured victory.
L, you never respond to this new information. Can you tell me how the third party can benefit if they were to side with the mafia? You are a very good thinker, so I thought you can do the thinking for me.
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You also sound like that I get pm from mafia and know who to hit and who not to hit. Well, unless they are talking in secret codes in the thread, I don't really know who they are and what they are doing.
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On November 11 2010 13:29 L wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 12:59 LunarDestiny wrote:On November 11 2010 06:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Regarding win condition: Mafia need to kill all non-mafia non-third party members to win. LSB is wrong in this. I decided on this ruling because a number of things could still jeopardize mafia victory even if they gain a numerical advantage in town, therefore they wouldn't be assured victory. L, you never respond to this new information. Can you tell me how the third party can benefit if they were to side with the mafia? You are a very good thinker, so I thought you can do the thinking for me. Uh, the moment mafia gains control of the lynch, they win. If it takes a few days longer for them to shred through everyone, so be it. The only ways to stop that is through mrus popping (which is unreliable) or me shooting them which might involve me dying anyways. Besides my hit, there might be another blue with something that could save us, but they can't claim without getting hit or lynched, given that mafia can brute force a lynch today. As for you not knowing who to vote: the secret mafia vote is pretty cool, bro. Lets you vote train on someone and not be afraid of anything.
Dude, I got the M-Rus, If the mafia can't end the game fast, why should I side with them?
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On November 11 2010 14:04 L wrote:
Because mafia are less likely to have mrus given that they were the spreaders, so killing them will increase the likelihood of you setting off the mrus bomb on yourself, whereas if you cooperate with them, they can pick targets that they know they had spread mrus to?
You just gave us another reason to doubt that you can work with town and win the game. Well done.
Look, another ASSUMPTION that mafia are less likely to have M-rus. You know what their roles are? Also what makes you think that even losing their plague doctor, they have not contact M-Rus when doing night actions.
On November 10 2010 09:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Had to make a correction: 3 people are infected, not 4. One person that was targetted was immune.
Your claimed night kill... will save town.
Well, I like FACTS, so here it is. 3 people are infected. One of them is me. No one knows who is the immune person.
3infected-Me=2other infections
11players-Me=10players
2/10=.2=20% you got nice chance of doing your night action.
O.O you got an ASSUMPTION huh? I'll do it for you as well.
3infected-Me=2other infections
11players-Me-3mafia=7players
2/7=.28571... about 29% (I'll even rounded it up for you).
Anyone likes L's Assumption? Anyone even trust him?
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On November 11 2010 14:48 L wrote:If mrus is mafia controlled, like Ace's role suggests, then naturally they're going to have 3-4 nights worth of targetted spreading on players who aren't mafia. I already bothered to tell you this, yet you don't seem to want to put 2 and 2 together. Or I'll die. Either/Or. If I'm killed in today's lynch, we lose anyways, so might as well go with the only path to victory available. Given that Ace was the primary spreader and has spent pretty much every single game besides this one riding my nuts, I'm pretty certain he'd have aids'd me up. So yeah, You think Meapak and I are equally likely to be the target of night actions? Not so, my good man. You think Kenpachi has an equal chance of being mrus'd as I do? I mean, these are players who essentially didn't exist for all intents and purposes until today. Mafia wouldn't have decided they were worth a premium to set up, because they're bad players. In the event that Mrus goes off mafia wants to be facing down a bunch of garbage town players. The alternative isn't really any brighter, but if anyone else has a role that they can use on me during the night that would spread mrus and not otherwise be wasted, they can do so. I've checked with the mods and they've stated that my mrus is checked after the night's round of infections. Nemesis seems to have a role he can use on people consistently. Meapak doesn't. Node doesn't. Dunno what infund has. Kenpachi claimed Hero and can't use his abilities yet.
And why do always want me to work with mafia??? It's like I say "No" and you say "you should."
Going on... Ace interacted with you? Damn, it must be a big deal since I missed it. Also what did you do prior to this day that? Only thing I remember is you keep on accusing Nemesis as mafia even after he was checked. Did you do something else that you want to share with me? (start with day 2 since that is when you replaced the modkilled)
And why do you still think Kenpachi is innocent? That both Pandain and Nemesis are mafia?
Nothing support your Godfather claim. Don't give me that if there is a Godfather, he should be checked by a DT by now and therefore one of the checked blue role is the Godfather.
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On November 11 2010 15:20 Kenpachi wrote:
Actually L, it would be 3/1/2 or 4/0/2 because we dont know if Glasse has the virus and we know Lunar has the virus.. right?
Your friend L gave you confidence?
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On November 11 2010 15:21 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:18 LunarDestiny wrote:On November 11 2010 14:48 L wrote:Look, another ASSUMPTION that mafia are less likely to have M-rus. If mrus is mafia controlled, like Ace's role suggests, then naturally they're going to have 3-4 nights worth of targetted spreading on players who aren't mafia. I already bothered to tell you this, yet you don't seem to want to put 2 and 2 together. Your claimed night kill... will save town. Or I'll die. Either/Or. If I'm killed in today's lynch, we lose anyways, so might as well go with the only path to victory available. Given that Ace was the primary spreader and has spent pretty much every single game besides this one riding my nuts, I'm pretty certain he'd have aids'd me up. So yeah, You think Meapak and I are equally likely to be the target of night actions? Not so, my good man. You think Kenpachi has an equal chance of being mrus'd as I do? I mean, these are players who essentially didn't exist for all intents and purposes until today. Mafia wouldn't have decided they were worth a premium to set up, because they're bad players. In the event that Mrus goes off mafia wants to be facing down a bunch of garbage town players. The alternative isn't really any brighter, but if anyone else has a role that they can use on me during the night that would spread mrus and not otherwise be wasted, they can do so. I've checked with the mods and they've stated that my mrus is checked after the night's round of infections. Nemesis seems to have a role he can use on people consistently. Meapak doesn't. Node doesn't. Dunno what infund has. Kenpachi claimed Hero and can't use his abilities yet. And why do always want me to work with mafia??? It's like I say "No" and you say "you should." Going on... Ace interacted with you? Damn, it must be a big deal since I missed it. Also what did you do prior to this day that? Only thing I remember is you keep on accusing Nemesis as mafia even after he was checked. Did you do something else that you want to share with me? (start with day 2 since that is when you replaced the modkilled) And why do you still think Kenpachi is innocent? That both Pandain and Nemesis are mafia? Nothing support your Godfather claim. Don't give me that if there is a Godfather, he should be checked by a DT by now and therefore one of the checked blue role is the Godfather. hey hey hey hey hey i have the most crucial role as townie imo.
But you went from Hero to Zero... maybe you can be the Mafia Hero.
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No, I don't want you to work with mafia. I know you will, though, because it WINS YOU THE GAME INSTANTLY.
Oh yeah. I shouldn't have hit on Ace AND shouldn't have reveal ourself to town. Everything we did is for winning with the mafia.
Ace and I have history. Feel free to read older games that we're both in. They inevitably end in one of us killing the other. Hence why I think Ace was happy to poison me.
You do know that you haven't prove yourself as town right? Mafia does not target mafia with M-RUS.
Uh, COAG ASKED FOR PANDAIN TO GET DT CHECKED DAY ONE. I don't know if Pandain AND Nemesis are mafia, but I'm 99% certain one of them is.
Best strategy EVER!!! Should put this in MAFIA 101.
A red that ask a dt to check a specific person on day 1, that person is likely to be Mafia. If that person also claim dt and check someone else. That person is also likely to be mafia.
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On November 11 2010 15:56 youngminii wrote:
I'M A CORSAIR BITCHES
Wait if KtheZ was insane and Pandain was red by an insane check then he's blue, then he's telling the truth and kenpachi is red?
i'm confused
I'll do an unbiased summary for you.
KtheZ is an insane DT. Stated by LSB, he check for role and opposite alignment.
One of his check is Pandain, the mafia trash collector.
Pandain also checked Nemesis to be blue and Kenpachi to be red.
L claims that either Pandain or Nemesis is Godfather because
Uh, COAG ASKED FOR PANDAIN TO GET DT CHECKED DAY ONE. I don't know if Pandain AND Nemesis are mafia, but I'm 99% certain one of them is.
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On November 12 2010 02:11 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 01:56 youngminii wrote:
1. There's the part where one of you waited for the other to discuss the events before posting in case you were doing something stupid.
2. Show me the part where it says LunarDestiny is indeed the only KP role in the third party.
3. Doesn't matter because Murrayitis is probably going to blow tonight and it's probably on mostly town people, which you as scum are aware of and will make us lose anyway.
4. You and Nemesis both voted for a double lynch yesterday which is the dumbest thing town could do in a situation where Murrayitis is about to blow and most of scum is not currently known.
I'd go back to your earlier posts for a proper analysis but I think this will do fine. MAn, I still don't see how people can be so blind as to continue the charade that I'm godfather. There's two possibilities why: 1.You are mafia. 2.You are a townie who hasn't realized all the reasons why I'm obviously blue. Which is it? As for the 3rd party thing, you have a good point. Lunnar/Glasse, do you have a kp as a team, or just lunar.
I want to cooperate, but if L insist that I have no intention to win with town and town have no intention to not kill third party. Why should I even tell you guys?
...Well, looks like the only one that don't trust me is L. There have been suspicion that of me by others but not that much. We make I deal?
You don't lynch me today. I will give you the information. I will use my nightkill to help town. If this asking too much?
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On November 12 2010 04:26 Pandain wrote:
How 'bout you tell us now?
If I tell, town can decide if they want to use 1 lynch or 2 lynch to take out third party.
Like I said, you can believe me that I will use my nightkill for town, I can't say anything about how I am going to use it or it will fail. There is nothing I can do as of now to convince town that I will cooperate with them.
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On November 12 2010 04:49 youngminii wrote:
You realise L's the only one pining for you, and will probably change his vote later anyway?
If I tell you, I will tell the mafia as well. They use a night kill to take me out just as easy. Someone will then say: well, why should the mafia use a nightkill on you?
And why is it beneficial to both town and I to reveal the nightkill?
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On November 12 2010 05:00 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 04:49 youngminii wrote:
You realise L's the only one pining for you, and will probably change his vote later anyway? If I tell you, I will tell the mafia as well. They use a night kill to take me out just as easy. Someone will then say: well, why should the mafia use a nightkill on you? And why is it beneficial to both town and I to reveal the nightkill?
Tell, you what. If I survive the lynch, I will tell. Does it make such a difference that the town can't wait? They are not lynching me today right?
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I realize that it does not matter now...
On November 10 2010 08:17 LunarDestiny wrote:
30 minutes hopefully he doesnt change what was already setup by mafia (like changing a kill for you)
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Original Message From Gollum:
artanis said 23 hours at 9pm kst, its almost 8pm kst so in about 5 minutes
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Original Message From LunarDestiny:
Do you know how much time before day 5? I pmed LSB and even he is not sure. Artanis hasn't gave me a reply.
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Original Message From Gollum:
well just cut my name from it then one of us needs to stay alive if the mafia decides to target you, at least i can still use the kp
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Original Message From LunarDestiny:
Again, I will claim that I will kill Ace after night actions freeze but before day post is posted to gain the maximum trust from town. If Ace wasn't Killed (I was roleblock or medic save Ace), then I might have to quote every conversation of our to prove my innocence.
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Original Message From Gollum:
you can say as much as you want, just mention that you have a teamate but don't say who.
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Original Message From LunarDestiny:
Tomorrow I will claim as vigilante and say I killed both Ace and deconduo. It is no surprise that I will receive tons of questions. Like I said before, winning in our current situation is very hard. So how much information should I give to town?
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Original Message From Gollum:
thats what i meant, you did it before so why change
i'll let you have the honor
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Original Message From LunarDestiny:
Did you do it? If not, I think it is better that I do it myself.
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Original Message From Gollum:
do it
NOW
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Original Message From LunarDestiny:
Please send the night action to both mods.
"##Kill: Ace"
Yes, it is third party kill power. We can both use it.
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So much for L is the only one pinning for me...
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