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BC: sound of scratching and whispering outside his door, grabbed from behind, A knife plunged deep into his throat, face carved up like a jack o lantern, The work of a true psycho Incognito: sound of scratching and whispering outside his door, grabbed from behind, A knife plunged deep into his throat, face carved up like a jack o lantern, The work of a true psycho, As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction Qatol: tall man, Right before he stepped off the stranger grabbed the back of his shirt. Qatol turned around to defend himself but was met with a hammer. The silver instrument bashed his skull to pieces, laughed maniacally Korynne: one other person in the cafe, drove for a long distance and when she stopped in her driveway she could swear she heard a noise in the backseat, silenced gunshot Meeple: "Can you hear it? The wind is speaking. It's telling me to do bad things. Very bad things."small hatchet out from inside his coat. He hacked away at Meeples skull | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + [url blocked] This is a picture of every single person's profile as of 10:30 pm. We should assume anyone who tries to change their picture after this as one of the non-townies. I'll post a photobucket-ed one in the next post. | ||
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redo: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/delete/FgI89otyEvWqGFA) | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + [url blocked] And again, the clues: DrH: a large figure lunged through the doorway at him, shot the figure where his head should be but his bullet didn't seem to do anything, grabbed the jailkeeper by his throat and strangled BC: sound of scratching and whispering outside his door, grabbed from behind, A knife plunged deep into his throat, face carved up like a jack o lantern, The work of a true psycho Incognito: sound of scratching and whispering outside his door, grabbed from behind, A knife plunged deep into his throat, face carved up like a jack o lantern, The work of a true psycho, As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction Qatol: tall man, Right before he stepped off the stranger grabbed the back of his shirt. Qatol turned around to defend himself but was met with a hammer. The silver instrument bashed his skull to pieces, laughed maniacally Korynne: one other person in the cafe, drove for a long distance and when she stopped in her driveway she could swear she heard a noise in the backseat, silenced gunshot Meeple: "Can you hear it? The wind is speaking. It's telling me to do bad things. Very bad things."small hatchet out from inside his coat. He hacked away at Meeples skull | ||
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orgolove
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Here's the link to access it. link removed | ||
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orgolove
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https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html | ||
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https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html I'm spending a lot of time on this - tell me townies if you have any suggestions. | ||
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orgolove
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https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html | ||
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orgolove
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First looking at DrH's description: a large figure lunged through the doorway at him, shot the figure where his head should be but his bullet didn't seem to do anything, grabbed the jailkeeper by his throat and strangled We see "strength" and "savagery" from profile descriptions, I see the following: Lucktar-polar bear trying to chew on apple in ice Shmotz-Pic of crazy guy with fiery eyes chained, with cover "DISTURBED" Hittegods-white guys neo-nazi style, with a wooden bat in hand, " This neo violence, pure self defiance" Nemesis-"darkflame nighthunter" guy with white skin red eyes black background "Our greatest need is to teach people how to think -- not what, but HOW." | ||
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sound of scratching and whispering outside his door, grabbed from behind, A knife plunged deep into his throat, face carved up like a jack o lantern, The work of a true psycho we see knife, psycho ShmotZ Pic of crazy guy with fiery eyes chained, with cover "DISTURBED" NB pic of black devil with crazed smile, "brain is all you need" MetalFace cartoon pic of a guy with metal face, "doomsday" name, calls himself "metal faced killer" kingjames01 "Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers." | ||
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orgolove
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Next Incognito: He stepped through the hallways, chasing the sound from corner to corner but never finding the source. As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction we see dagger, piercing from every direction (multiple hits) kingjames01 "Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers." Veldril "weird anime guy pic, "Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni", "My whole life was made out of unlimited swords."" | ||
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Qatol: tall man, Right before he stepped off the stranger grabbed the back of his shirt. Qatol turned around to defend himself but was met with a hammer. The silver instrument bashed his skull to pieces, laughed maniacally we see silver hammer Glasse-White Kirby with hammer | ||
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orgolove
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Korynne - one other person in the cafe, drove for a long distance and when she stopped in her driveway she could swear she heard a noise in the backseat, silenced gunsho We see gunshot, silence so stealth? kenpachi - naruto characters driving, akatsuki? LSB-pic of a guy with a gun and a flag from warhammer 20k, "Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action." Nemesis -"darkflame nighthunter" guy with white skin red eyes black background "Our greatest need is to teach people how to think -- not what, but HOW." | ||
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orgolove
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And finally meeple: "Can you hear it? The wind is speaking. It's telling me to do bad things. Very bad things."small hatchet out from inside his coat. He hacked away at Meeples skull we see a guy that's hearing things of the wind (psycho?), hatchet No idea :/ | ||
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orgolove
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So in summary: Dr H- death from strength, savagery suspects: Lucktar-polar bear shmotz-chained crazy guy with fiery eyes BloodyCobbler-death from knife, psycho suspects: ShmotZ Pic of crazy guy with fiery eyes chained, with cover "DISTURBED" NB pic of black devil with crazed smile, "brain is all you need" kingjames01 "Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers." Incognito-dagger, piercing from every direction (multiple hits) suspects: kingjames01 "Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers." Veldril- "My whole life was made out of unlimited swords." Qatol - death from silver hammer suspect: Glasse-White Kirby with silver hammer Korynne-silenced gunshot suspect: kenpachi - naruto characters driving, akatsuki? (ninja - stealth) LSB-pic of a guy with a gun and a flag from warhammer 20k Nemesis -"darkflame nighthunter" and I dunno anything about meeple. | ||
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https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html and a link to a zip file that has the snapshot of everyone's profiles: [url blocked] | ||
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orgolove
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https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html So in summary: Dr H- death from strength, savagery suspects: Lucktar-polar bear shmotz-chained crazy guy with fiery eyes BloodyCobbler-death from knife, jack-o-lantern face, psycho suspects: masq: pic of pear with face carved into it ShmotZ Pic of crazy guy with fiery eyes chained, with cover "DISTURBED" NB pic of black devil with crazed smile, "brain is all you need" kingjames01 "Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers." Incognito-dagger, piercing from every direction (multiple hits) suspects: kingjames01 "Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers." Veldril- "My whole life was made out of unlimited swords." Qatol - death from silver hammer suspect: Glasse-White Kirby with silver hammer Korynne-silenced gunshot suspect: kenpachi - naruto characters driving, akatsuki? (ninja - stealth) LSB-pic of a guy with a gun and a flag from warhammer 20k Nemesis -"darkflame nighthunter" and I dunno anything about meeple. | ||
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orgolove
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aztrorisk: accused shmotz defended masq etc etc. | ||
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orgolove
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I've updated what I can gather so far, with the latest votes. https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html | ||
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orgolove
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https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html And the screenshot of every player's profile can be downloaded below: [url blocked] good night. | ||
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orgolove
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At the very least I'll update the votes list daily... | ||
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orgolove
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Here's the link again: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html Anyone else willing to help? D: | ||
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On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote: I am fairly happy lynching coagulation/masq, and I am glad people are voting for them. He has too much enthusiasm against these two. He's either a townie with a good purpose, or an opposing faction who knows they're not in his faction, so want to get rid of them asap. | ||
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orgolove
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So far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there: jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy? And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes: ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28) These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him" What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back. Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno... | ||
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On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote: I am fairly happy lynching coagulation/masq, and I am glad people are voting for them. Are you really a townie, or are you just a member of another faction that knows these 2 aren't in your team, and will be glad to be rid of them? | ||
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orgolove
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https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html As always, tell me if there's any mistakes. | ||
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orgolove
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Veldril-fervently defended masq, then very defensive when he was accused Er, if you guys are sure masq is also a culprit, there's another person that defended masq: youngminii-voted for jdogohoo, defended masq On October 11 2010 17:11 youngminii wrote: I'm finding it hard to believe the Jack-o-lantern clue was actually referring to Masq. Maybe it's my lack of experience in clue-based games (I've only played a handful) but wouldn't that be too obvious/unfair? reasonable enough? Hmm.. | ||
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orgolove
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not sure about jodogohoo either, but youngminii defended masq. Note that jodogohoo switched votes multiple times. shmotz... no idea at all. d3_crescentia: didn't really post much in the thread. But a reason to vote for aztrorisk: strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when the hammer in his pic was noted so hmm. Multiple suspicions. | ||
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orgolove
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On October 12 2010 04:36 Bill Murray wrote: sorry, orgolove, but you have me flustered i am town so you need to look elsewhere :X ok. My top 3? I actually think other than his responses vs you, Veldril hasn't had other tells. But the ones he did reveal are very strong tells... Next, jodogohoo - switched his vote how many times now? at least 4x. Also, he tried to get attention deflected from him by claiming "what is mafia" Aztrorisk - he's a bat, going from accusing schmotz (without much reason) then converting to masq - I bet he'll change to veldril when he comes back coagulation - very defensive, tried to bandwagon? made series of posts trying to "joke" about voting against him and other masq defenders: lankill - fervently defended masq, then very defensive when he was accused youngminii -defended masq But eh. I see so many tells that it's difficult where to begin. I hope there will be an overarching trend among people's votes soon so I can see if this kind of work is worth it. (and it's a lot of work) | ||
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orgolove
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Despite how defensive he is, I do understand that townies can defend the wrong people. Hmm. does anyone have a better suggestion? As it is the first day, we only have the clues to go on right now... | ||
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Now, I wonder why your votes are in agreement with coagulation - is there a connection between you two? | ||
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Something is off here. On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote: I am fairly happy lynching coagulation/masq, and I am glad people are voting for them. This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. It appears you were against Veldril from very early in the game. And now you're going as far as blackmailing someone over this vote. What has convinced you to be so sure, apart from your own agenda? LYNCH ALL LIARS Mhmm... It'd be difficult for normal townies to be so willing to jump on/start a bandwagon immediately. You give off a strong vibe of being in one of the opposing factions - probably in a one opposing masq/veldril. It doesn't decrease the suspicion on Veldril, but your last series of posts really bring this point of contention out. | ||
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orgolove
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Oh, and not to mention this little gem. jodogohoo is one of the most suspicious ones apart from masq right now, and he clearly appears to be in league with you. | ||
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orgolove
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Two things. 1. I think the Bill Murray issue has been buried in this discussion. On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote: I am fairly happy lynching coagulation/masq, and I am glad people are voting for them. This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. It appears you were against Veldril from very early in the game. And now you're going as far as blackmailing someone over this vote. What has convinced you to be so sure, apart from your own agenda? LYNCH ALL LIARS Mhmm... It'd be difficult for normal townies to be so willing to jump on/start a bandwagon immediately. You give off a strong vibe of being in one of the opposing factions - probably in a one opposing masq/veldril. It doesn't decrease the suspicion on Veldril, but your last series of posts really bring this point of contention out. Oh, and not to mention this little gem. jodogohoo is one of the most suspicious ones apart from masq right now, and he clearly appears to be in league with you. Jodog's pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day, and bandwagoned everything he could see. Jodog probably thought he was furthering your cause by agreeing with you, but no... 2. The recent revealing of a role: I've noticed that we are all assuming that aztorisk actually is what he claims to be. But as shown in his previous posts, he strongly accused shmotz, then switched to masq when others started, and also defended glasse when hammer in profile pic was pointed out. What do we have to believe that he is actually the Jack, other than his word which apparently is quite flexible? | ||
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orgolove
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From what he's posting, he might also be trying to stop the detective from investigating him by continuously mentioning the possibility of a brute attack. 0.0 | ||
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orgolove
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Bill Murray, you dodging our suspicion. On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote: I am fairly happy lynching coagulation/masq, and I am glad people are voting for them. This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. It appears you were against Veldril from very early in the game. And now you're going as far as blackmailing someone over this vote. What has convinced you to be so sure, apart from your own agenda? LYNCH ALL LIARS Mhmm... It'd be difficult for normal townies to be so willing to jump on/start a bandwagon immediately. You give off a strong vibe of being in one of the opposing factions - probably in a one opposing masq/veldril. It doesn't decrease the suspicion on Veldril, but your last series of posts really bring this point of contention out. Oh, and not to mention this little gem. jodogohoo is one of the most suspicious ones apart from masq right now, and he clearly appears to be in league with you. Jodog's pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day, and bandwagoned everything he could see. Jodog probably thought he was furthering your cause by agreeing with you, but no... | ||
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orgolove
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~OpZ~ voted for goldfishs --> can't see the reason?? pandain - masq yummyblabla - veldril kenpachi - veldril youngminii - change from jodogohoo to veldril southrawrea - veldril Masq- veldril | ||
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orgolove
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anyway. Perhaps we'll wait see the results from the night's actions before we draw any solid conclusions on those that are not named Masq/Veldril. | ||
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orgolove
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On October 12 2010 13:26 Coagulation wrote: orgo may be a red trying to run a campaign of disinformation. im not saying he is.. im just saying its possible. Oh by the way, I didn't realize someone who appears (or tries to appear) so clueless can speak all the jargon of a mafia veteran so easily. "reds"? "campaign of disinformation"? From someone who supposedly only started playing Mafia 2 days ago? Hmm... On October 12 2010 06:17 Coagulation wrote: how does the town communicate their roles to each other ?? On October 12 2010 06:16 Coagulation wrote: well who are the blues?? On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote: well fuck. I had no idea so what exactly is the point of being zombie then? everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game. and i get the cannon fodder role? lame. On October 12 2010 06:28 Coagulation wrote: sorry NB i have only had mafia forum access for about 2 days. | ||
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https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html | ||
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A quick look at Jodogohoo: summary - pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day, supported bill murray, and now supports coagulation Details: Vote history: On October 11 2010 13:16 jodogohoo wrote: seRaPh On October 11 2010 13:42 jodogohoo wrote: change my vote to LSB On October 11 2010 13:54 jodogohoo wrote: lol sure why not! change to coagulation On October 11 2010 15:04 jodogohoo wrote: uhh change to youngminii On October 12 2010 01:54 jodogohoo wrote: change to coagulation!!! On October 12 2010 02:33 jodogohoo wrote: change to Veldril That's a total of 6 vote changes in the span of one day. Post history: (not all) On October 11 2010 13:55 jodogohoo wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=kenpachi lol a picture of itachi driving xD On October 12 2010 09:43 jodogohoo wrote: what about kenpachi itachi driving =( I don't know if he's so young that he can't make up his mind, or if he's not experienced enough to make his bandwagoning so transparent. | ||
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On October 12 2010 12:59 Bill Murray wrote: He's trying to save his own ass, which indicates poorer play than Veldril. Couple that with SR's case, and even mine on Veldril and he needs to die. because he is scum, and would rather bus a partner than die There is no or. They are both scum. He is trying to save his own ass, and I don't blame him whatsoever. Masq is way more harmless than Veldril. I suggest this: protect him. Mafia WOULD NOT suggest this, but we need to possibly keep him alive. The reason we need to keep him alive even if he's mafia is so we can be guaranteed to not let the other faction meet their condition. Lynch Veldril, and if he's mafia, have our ghosts protect Masq, or vice versa we can keep him alive to maintain a side. we need to play both sides. | ||
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orgolove
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https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html The facts in the spreadsheet are pretty clear and easily checked - I haven't fabricated anything, and is merely there as a guide. | ||
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orgolove
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All your raging won't change the fact - you were against Veldril from very early in the game. And now you're going as far as blackmailing someone over this vote.On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote: I am fairly happy lynching coagulation/masq, and I am glad people are voting for them. This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I doubt you can get much of a traction among those not in your faction - especially since you've proven yourself untrustworthy by posting private messages that are, you know, supposed to be "private," and resorted to blackmailing the victim- whatever he may be. On October 12 2010 07:42 Bill Murray wrote: aztrorisk better switch to veldril or he is a fucking liar and we are going to lynch him due to LAL LYNCH ALL LIARS Lynch them indeed. | ||
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Oh, and your post that revealed the PMs: On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote: This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk: The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating. | ||
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On October 12 2010 14:34 annul wrote: in fact, YOU made up the fact that lankill was for masq, which was a blatant lie. so i wonder if i am wrong in voting vendril, to be quite honest it is you i have caught in (now two) lies. Hmm, from the start I said I am human, and I can make errors. As soon as I was informed of this, I made the changes asap. In fact, you can easily doublecheck anything in the spreadsheet yourself if you put in the time. On October 12 2010 00:19 orgolove wrote: It won't be of much help if I don't get more help on some of the info... I may make mistakes or miss somethings - I can't possibly keep track of 61 people at once all by myself. At the very least I'll update the votes list daily... | ||
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On October 12 2010 14:38 orgolove wrote: By the way, the vote list in the spreadsheet is a constantly updated list of the *current votes* not any vote changes. Special cases like jodogohoo, who switched his vote 6 times, will be noted in the "notable support" section. | ||
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Anyway, latest updated spreadsheet: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html | ||
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It's apparent some people have had their minds up from the start - if not vs Veldril, at least to try to steer the votes away from Masq. | ||
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https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html I added an additional column that shows each person's vote changes, if any. NOTICE A question about the MetalFace guy: check out his profile and post history. His account was made on September 27th. He has 3 total posts. His first post was in the mafia forum request thread. His only post in this thread was a cover post, asking how the voting is done. His last post is a vote against Veldril. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=MetalFace It's highly unlikely this guy is actually someone new who just found teamliquid. Who the hell joins teamliquid and makes his first post to be in the mafia game? Who the hell actually knows how to put pictures and edit their signature etc, but only have three posts? This guy is 100% a smurf of another player here. So lame - DrH, shouldn't you be checking this kind of shit before the game starts? | ||
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On October 13 2010 08:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There are a few smurfs in this game that I am aware of. It's not something I have a problem with. Oh really. Then next time I should register my smurf as well so that I have double the information power? What the !@#$? How the hell are smurfs allowed? It gives such an outrageous advantage. If you truly allow this, I give up. Fuck it. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Yogy Account made on October 11, FOUR total posts. Only posts in the mafia games. And you let this continue? | ||
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And this isn't an advantage? Lol... | ||
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Well, if you allow this, at least know this: we definitely know that Metalface is a smurf, a.k.a. an experienced mafia player hiding behind a new face. And yet his only post in this thread was one where he tried to appear as a noob: On October 12 2010 07:42 MetalFace wrote: Maybe this is a dumb question, but when/where/how do we vote who to lynch? THink on it. | ||
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On October 13 2010 09:11 annul wrote: you STILL haven't changed that spreadsheet. wow. once again, i never "defended lankill" beyond saying to you that YOU fucked up in calling him out on things when he still hasn't made a single post in the game. if orgo is this loose with his spreadsheet after being called out on his inconsistencies like 12 hours ago (including this specific one), then i do not know how useful it is at all for anyone. Lol, I'm making a compilation of every action - regardless of source. If you disagree with it, then don't use it. | ||
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On October 13 2010 09:26 NB wrote: i agree that you have your right but a few "wordings" would lead to miss understand later on. I think you should keep the information but fix the word "defending". I dont use that spreadsheet of yours so i personally dont care... Just wana say that the guy got his point. People... please noticed how many times pandain is trying to avoid to explain himself..... On October 13 2010 09:27 bumatlarge wrote: I thought my Veldril -> Masq post was important  Veldril defended masq, and masq didn't associate with him. Veldril could be scum protecting himself or legitimate towny with opinions, or Masq is innocent thats all well, or hes scum and it's a much greater chance that veldril is on his team. But unless a glaringly obvious lynch comes forward, but between veldril and masq, could dissect which sides we are dealing with. But at a certain point, it does become advantageous for a scum team with >4 players to start town killing... Please go over the win conditions people and realize what we are supposed to be doing here. They are far from ordinary win conditions. I fixed both. And you're right, Pandein, just like Bill Murray, continues to avoid answering questions about their true allegiances. | ||
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aztrorisk: shmotz--> masq coagulation: seraph-->masq jodogohoo: seraph-->LSB--> coagulation--> youngminii--> coagulation--> Veldril pandain: Pandain--> Masq --> HeavOnEarth Lexpar: Masq-->Veldril jaminz: Veldril --> Bill Murray jcarlsoniv: Veldril--> masq youngminii: jodogohoo--> Veldril seRapH: coagulation--> masq Bill Murray: coagulation--> Veldril --> orgolove --> Veldril --> kingjames01 --> Pandain --> masq Kpyolysis32: Kenpachi --> HeavOnEarth | ||
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It appears both you and Bill have done the same thing, as I got a similar PM asking for my list of suspicions. | ||
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On October 12 2010 07:42 MetalFace wrote: Maybe this is a dumb question, but when/where/how do we vote who to lynch? I don't buy it. | ||
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Final spreadsheet: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html 1. questions raised from voting patterns Bill Murray Changed vote 7 times jodogohoo Changed vote 6 times KtheZ Voted Shmotz early on, claimed to use random number generator, but his vote matches with LastArgument, who also has not explained his vote. quickstriker no explanation of his vote vs thegilaboy other than claiming a "personal grudge" - given the importance of votes, it seems he doesn't care who dies and is trying to hid this by masking it ~opz~ Voted goldfishs before even reading the main thread, as he claims in the voting thread (link: here). apparently doesn't care who dies Therick Voted Masq without posting anything in the main thread Hyperbola voted for masq, but accused thegilaboy in his only post in the main thread Siniquity voted for masq without posting anything in the main thread Hittegods voted for masq, but accused jodogohoo in his only post in the main thread 2. questions raised from posting record in the thread coagulation + Show Spoiler + coagulation was quite defensive when he was first accused. He tried to bandwagon at the first opportunity, and when he was being pressured, made series of posts trying to "joke" about voting against him. On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote: why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez. On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote: omg i found incriminating evidence against myself DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one. better post let the guys know On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote: NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason Oh by the way, I didn't realize someone who appears (or tries to appear) so clueless can speak all the jargon of a mafia veteran so easily. "reds"? "campaign of disinformation"? From someone who supposedly only started playing Mafia 2 days ago? Hmm... On October 12 2010 06:17 Coagulation wrote: how does the town communicate their roles to each other ?? On October 12 2010 06:16 Coagulation wrote: well who are the blues?? On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote: well fuck. I had no idea so what exactly is the point of being zombie then? everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game. and i get the cannon fodder role? lame. On October 12 2010 06:28 Coagulation wrote: sorry NB i have only had mafia forum access for about 2 days. On October 11 2010 14:08 Coagulation wrote: a bandwagon is generally when a group of people follow actions of other people just because everyone else is doing it On October 12 2010 13:26 Coagulation wrote: orgo may be a red trying to run a campaign of disinformation. im not saying he is.. im just saying its possible. jodogohoo + Show Spoiler + A quick look at Jodogohoo: summary - changed vote multiple times 1st day, supported bill murray, and now supports coagulation Details: Vote history: On October 11 2010 13:16 jodogohoo wrote: seRaPh On October 11 2010 13:42 jodogohoo wrote: change my vote to LSB On October 11 2010 13:54 jodogohoo wrote: lol sure why not! change to coagulation On October 11 2010 15:04 jodogohoo wrote: uhh change to youngminii On October 12 2010 01:54 jodogohoo wrote: change to coagulation!!! On October 12 2010 02:33 jodogohoo wrote: change to Veldril That's a total of 6 vote changes in the span of one day. Post history: (not all) On October 11 2010 13:55 jodogohoo wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=kenpachi lol a picture of itachi driving xD On October 12 2010 09:43 jodogohoo wrote: what about kenpachi itachi driving =( I don't know if he's so young that he can't make up his mind, or if he's not experienced enough to make his bandwagoning so transparent. Bill Murray + Show Spoiler + It appears he was against Veldril from very early in the game. And now he's going as far as blackmailing someone over this vote. On top of that he tried to protect masq at the same time. On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote: This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. On October 12 2010 12:59 Bill Murray wrote: He's trying to save his own ass, which indicates poorer play than Veldril. Couple that with SR's case, and even mine on Veldril and he needs to die. because he is scum, and would rather bus a partner than die There is no or. They are both scum. He is trying to save his own ass, and I don't blame him whatsoever. Masq is way more harmless than Veldril. I suggest this: protect him. Mafia WOULD NOT suggest this, but we need to possibly keep him alive. The reason we need to keep him alive even if he's mafia is so we can be guaranteed to not let the other faction meet their condition. Lynch Veldril, and if he's mafia, have our ghosts protect Masq, or vice versa we can keep him alive to maintain a side. we need to play both sides. I wonder what convinced him to be so sure... And the blackmailing? On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote: This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk: The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating. On October 12 2010 07:42 Bill Murray wrote: aztrorisk better switch to veldril or he is a fucking liar and we are going to lynch him due to LAL LYNCH ALL LIARS Mhmm... youngminii + Show Spoiler + He at first tried to appear as noob: On October 11 2010 10:07 youngminii wrote: what is mafia? On October 11 2010 13:04 youngminii wrote: whats a haunted zombie but then actively participated. He has a lot of posts that accuse many different people, and apparently doesn't care about who actually dies: On October 11 2010 15:04 youngminii wrote: sounds like a good plan lets do it /night On October 11 2010 15:39 youngminii wrote: don't forget to vote for aztrorisk because he is a loose cannon and has a picture of someone (presumably him in animated form) sleeping and being watched by a watcher. the watcher obv. suspects him of being scum so he's our best lead. | ||
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On October 13 2010 12:09 LastArgument wrote: I explained my vote in my first post =( Oh, must've missed that. Sorry - taking it off. (but I can't edit the original post D | ||
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On October 13 2010 13:08 Bill Murray wrote: THAT WAS NOT LUCK THAT WAS ME. ? On October 12 2010 12:59 Bill Murray wrote: Lynch Veldril, and if he's mafia, have our ghosts protect Masq On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote: This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk: The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating. On October 12 2010 07:42 Bill Murray wrote: aztrorisk better switch to veldril or he is a fucking liar and we are going to lynch him due to LAL LYNCH ALL LIARS | ||
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https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html Now that Bill's gone, it's prudent to bring up the list again. 1. questions raised from voting patterns jodogohoo Changed vote 6 times KtheZ Voted Shmotz early on, claimed to use random number generator, but his vote matches with LastArgument, who also has not explained his vote. quickstriker no explanation of his vote vs thegilaboy other than claiming a "personal grudge" - given the importance of votes, it seems he doesn't care who dies and is trying to hid this by masking it ~opz~ Voted goldfishs before even reading the main thread, as he claims in the voting thread (link: here). apparently doesn't care who dies Therick Voted Masq without posting anything in the main thread Hyperbola voted for masq, but accused thegilaboy in his only post in the main thread Siniquity voted for masq without posting anything in the main thread Hittegods voted for masq, but accused jodogohoo in his only post in the main thread 2. questions raised from posting record in the thread coagulation + Show Spoiler + coagulation was quite defensive when he was first accused. He tried to bandwagon at the first opportunity, and when he was being pressured, made series of posts trying to "joke" about voting against him. On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote: why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez. On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote: omg i found incriminating evidence against myself DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one. better post let the guys know On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote: NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason Oh by the way, I didn't realize someone who appears (or tries to appear) so clueless can speak all the jargon of a mafia veteran so easily. "reds"? "campaign of disinformation"? From someone who supposedly only started playing Mafia 2 days ago? Hmm... On October 12 2010 06:17 Coagulation wrote: how does the town communicate their roles to each other ?? On October 12 2010 06:16 Coagulation wrote: well who are the blues?? On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote: well fuck. I had no idea so what exactly is the point of being zombie then? everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game. and i get the cannon fodder role? lame. On October 12 2010 06:28 Coagulation wrote: sorry NB i have only had mafia forum access for about 2 days. On October 11 2010 14:08 Coagulation wrote: a bandwagon is generally when a group of people follow actions of other people just because everyone else is doing it On October 12 2010 13:26 Coagulation wrote: orgo may be a red trying to run a campaign of disinformation. im not saying he is.. im just saying its possible. jodogohoo + Show Spoiler + A quick look at Jodogohoo: summary - changed vote multiple times 1st day, supported bill murray, and now supports coagulation Details: Vote history: On October 11 2010 13:16 jodogohoo wrote: seRaPh On October 11 2010 13:42 jodogohoo wrote: change my vote to LSB On October 11 2010 13:54 jodogohoo wrote: lol sure why not! change to coagulation On October 11 2010 15:04 jodogohoo wrote: uhh change to youngminii On October 12 2010 01:54 jodogohoo wrote: change to coagulation!!! On October 12 2010 02:33 jodogohoo wrote: change to Veldril That's a total of 6 vote changes in the span of one day. Post history: (not all) On October 11 2010 13:55 jodogohoo wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=kenpachi lol a picture of itachi driving xD On October 12 2010 09:43 jodogohoo wrote: what about kenpachi itachi driving =( I don't know if he's so young that he can't make up his mind, or if he's not experienced enough to make his bandwagoning so transparent. youngminii + Show Spoiler + He at first tried to appear as noob: On October 11 2010 10:07 youngminii wrote: what is mafia? On October 11 2010 13:04 youngminii wrote: whats a haunted zombie but then actively participated. He has a lot of posts that accuse many different people, and apparently doesn't care about who actually dies: On October 11 2010 15:04 youngminii wrote: sounds like a good plan lets do it /night On October 11 2010 15:39 youngminii wrote: don't forget to vote for aztrorisk because he is a loose cannon and has a picture of someone (presumably him in animated form) sleeping and being watched by a watcher. the watcher obv. suspects him of being scum so he's our best lead. | ||
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coagulation + Show Spoiler + coagulation was quite defensive when he was first accused. He tried to bandwagon at the first opportunity, and when he was being pressured, made series of posts trying to "joke" about voting against him. On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote: why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez. On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote: omg i found incriminating evidence against myself DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one. better post let the guys know On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote: NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason He tried to appear so clueless but spoke the jargon of a mafia veteran so easily. "reds"? "campaign of disinformation"? From someone who supposedly only started playing Mafia 2 days ago? Hmm... On October 12 2010 06:17 Coagulation wrote: how does the town communicate their roles to each other ?? On October 12 2010 06:16 Coagulation wrote: well who are the blues?? On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote: well fuck. I had no idea so what exactly is the point of being zombie then? everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game. and i get the cannon fodder role? lame. On October 12 2010 06:28 Coagulation wrote: sorry NB i have only had mafia forum access for about 2 days. On October 11 2010 14:08 Coagulation wrote: a bandwagon is generally when a group of people follow actions of other people just because everyone else is doing it On October 12 2010 13:26 Coagulation wrote: orgo may be a red trying to run a campaign of disinformation. im not saying he is.. im just saying its possible. Plus his voting history. He was one of the first ones to vote against seraph, only switching his vote at the last second to masq once it became apparent he was going to fall. (note the times between his posts) Post # 21 in the voting thread: On October 11 2010 17:17 Coagulation wrote: seraPh On October 13 2010 05:05 Coagulation wrote: unvote seraph vote masq This also ties in with his early bandwagoning against Seraph. Finally, there's that small matter of roleclaiming as zombie in the first day. Really...? Just how transparent can you get? Besides, anyone who is playing in a mafia game for the first time, is almost NEVER as engaged as you are right now. ESPECIALLY if they actually are regular townsfolk without any special roles. | ||
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1. You claimed to be playing in a mafia game for the first time, and yet you use the mafia jargon of a seasoned veteran. 2.You roleclaimed as a zombie in the first day. Now, would someone who really is playing mafia, and an INTERNET mafia game, for the FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIFE, have over 70 posts before even the first day ends? In fact, considering that you claim that you have a "useless" role (you even said it yourself), I bet a real first-time mafia would find it extremely difficult to have any enthusiasm for the game. And yet here you are - 70 posts later, as a first time mafia participant and, as you claim, a zombie. | ||
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Here's the posts where coagulation claims to be a zombie: On October 12 2010 06:17 Coagulation wrote: how does the town communicate their roles to each other ?? On October 12 2010 06:16 Coagulation wrote: well who are the blues?? On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote: well fuck. I had no idea so what exactly is the point of being zombie then? everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game. and i get the cannon fodder role? lame. On October 12 2010 06:28 Coagulation wrote: sorry NB i have only had mafia forum access for about 2 days. And his 70+ posts so far: ![[image loading]](http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2229/20270328.jpg) Really? Would a REAL first timer and a REAL zombie have such enthusiasm to become perhaps the most active poster in the thread before even the first night ended? | ||
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On October 14 2010 12:14 Kpyolysis32 wrote: You pick up terms and stuff so fast if you read the guides on the basics of how to play If coagulation really read the basics of how to play, he would have clearly avoided what's listed as one of the most common tells of non-townies: JEEP's Tells for Finding Mafia Voting each other while FOSing (Finger of Suspicion) a non-mafia. This is very common. link: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia Look at the history between seraph and coagulation. First, their voting: seRapH On October 11 2010 13:48 seRapH wrote: coagulation. hang the terrorist! On October 12 2010 23:36 seRapH wrote: ##Unvote Coagulation ##Vote Masq Coagulation On October 11 2010 17:17 Coagulation wrote: seraPh On October 13 2010 05:05 Coagulation wrote: unvote seraph vote masq Both of them voted against each other, and only changed their votes towards the very end when a lynch was becoming apparent. Despite his vote, coagulation showed no effort towards bringing suspicion on seraph, and in fact has stopped mentioning him altogether in his posts after the first 12 hour period. Instead he's been pointing fingers left and right: On October 13 2010 11:52 Coagulation wrote: PANDAIN IS MAFIA BILL IS VAMPIRE On October 13 2010 07:06 Coagulation wrote: i think masq would be our best bet for lynch. What's even more damning is seraph also has -zero- posts where he mentions coagulation beyond his last comment, where he shows he really didn't have any good reason to vote for coagulation: On October 11 2010 15:15 seRapH wrote: because you're a terrorist. i'm sorry, i'm american and react badly to terrorists. give me a reason to trust you (such as contributing a valuable analysis) and maybe i'll change my mind. Go ahead, look through their posts. I can wait. | ||
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He was thin and gaunt, he appeared to be a scholar of some sort. a revolver was pressed against his temple. With one shot, his brains were sprayed out of the window of the car LSB he heard meowing somewhere in his car. his backseat he felt what seemed to be huge claws dig into his temple, crushing his skull and ending his life. RebirthOfLeGenD smelled something awful coming from his restroom.wearing a pinstriped fedora, died from a bullet NB drank whiskey he began to feel a chill across his skin, Eventually it stopped beating. a gaunt and pale man appeared before him. "This town belongs to the Count."With a single punch, NB's body was shattered to pieces. A summary of death notes. Looking through the profiles now... | ||
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On October 14 2010 13:39 aztrorisk wrote: Nooo!!! I want to know if I have a ghost who saved me. Cries. On October 14 2010 13:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If someone is hit and survived I will PM them with that information. If a ghost successfully saves someone I will also PM them. It's just not public information. Hm. you apparently didn't know that someone who's hit but survived receives a PM From the mod about that fact. And now you're trying to cover it up: On October 14 2010 14:13 aztrorisk wrote: BTW, I would like to give a shoutout to the ghost that saved me (if any) In fact, the ghost did -not- save you. And none of the reds attacked you. Quit your posing. | ||
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Both the nightkilled vampires (youngminii and bumatlarge) vehemently raised suspicion against veldril. Bumatlarge pained veldril as a more important target than masq, and youngminii just kept accusing veldril. Bill Murray, before being modkilled, vehemently argued for lynching veldril and keeping masq alive to "play both sides." All these signs point toward Veldril -not- being one of the vampires. On the other hand, NB, the mafia godfather, also wanted to kill Veldril: On October 13 2010 15:33 NB wrote: so why dont we just go a head and lynch Veldir on day 2 no matter what? i mean i wont decrease the random chance of mafia killing at least 1 Vamp?... seriously dont understand why you want to let Veld live on day2 so much... are you Vamp who is trying to protect your kp?... I think there's a chance Veldril -isn't- a red. | ||
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bumatlarge On October 12 2010 14:25 bumatlarge wrote: Have to agree here, I've almost been afraid to post with the likelyhood of missing something important after skimming. But I disagree with the "everyone vote for one person" because then mafia are pushing it also, that shouldn't happen. Since neither player has a vast majority, I think it's safe to say one of them should be non-townie at least. So I'm going vendril based on I felt his defense of masq fairly weak, and townies generally dont defend random strangers with very little information. If vendril pops scum, it should be safe to say masq is same-line scum. youngminii On October 13 2010 08:43 youngminii wrote: ebwop by the last sentence i meant that i'm sure veldril's a better lynch candidate than masq On October 13 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote: And I'm one of the people who stood by Masq from the beginning, maybe not as strong as you wanted him lynched but I never had my vote on him. When the Masq bandwagon started I didn't want to jump on because it happened out of nowhere and Masq didn't even make that many posts. Then the Veldril bandwagon started and I put my vote on him as a placeholder kind of thing. Then Veldril makes a series of posts that are very, very questionable. Now I'm strongly against Veldril and I'm supporting Masq on the basis of his posting behaviour, not some silly clues that are unreliable at best. And no, it isn't easy to defend Masq even though I won't be lynched today. What's going to happen if he IS scum? I'll be put under suspicion or targeted by the other scum team since I'll be seen as 'Masq's ally'. Am I willing to get lynched for him? No, but I'm willing to bet that I'm right on this. On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote: What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. Bill Murray, before being modkilled, also vehemently argued for lynching veldril and keeping masq alive to "play both sides." On October 12 2010 12:59 Bill Murray wrote: There is no or. They are both scum. He is trying to save his own ass, and I don't blame him whatsoever. Masq is way more harmless than Veldril. I suggest this: protect him. Mafia WOULD NOT suggest this, but we need to possibly keep him alive. The reason we need to keep him alive even if he's mafia is so we can be guaranteed to not let the other faction meet their condition. Lynch Veldril, and if he's mafia, have our ghosts protect Masq, or vice versa we can keep him alive to maintain a side. we need to play both sides. But then again, bumatlarge immediately switched sides once the outcome became apparent: On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote: RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here. 1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something. 2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum. 3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction The first two points have been discussed to death, so make your own observations there. I underestimated what Bill said regarding the sides. I failed to realize that the objective of either side is to kill the other team, regardless of towns numbers. It's almost as if town and mafia roles are reversed, since town just need to outnumber the remaining 8 scum. That means that either side cant win until much later if they lose one member... which is assumed they will if the other faction is smart. If the two candidates for lynch (masq/veldril) contain at least one scum, we can be certain that right now on the lists contain a good number of scum from the opposite faction, depending on what they are. We just need mafia/vamps to kill each other decisively. If they don't they risk the other faction rising ahead. Therefore both teams need to rely on end game tactics. Heh, it's almost as if we don't need to do anything if scum are good players. We just need to follow clues and go with the flow. Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. However, he wanted this post to be known. It apparently seems he wanted to hide his past support of Masq 0.0 On October 13 2010 09:27 bumatlarge wrote: I thought my Veldril -> Masq post was important So all these signs point toward Veldril -not- being one of the vampires. | ||
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On October 14 2010 16:42 Veldril wrote: Don't jump your conclusion yet. There are several reasons that I did not die on Night 2. 1. A ghost protected me. 2. I have been poisoned, therefore will be death the next night. 3. It is better to keep me alive because I have drawn too much attention upon myself. 4. Bum and Youngminii and LSB are better target to kill than me, because they fervently wanted me to get lynched on day 1. 5. It is better to get me lynched than wasting night action/kill on me, especially when many people suspecting me as a vampire. How do you know you are poisoned? As far as the rules go, the mod never informs you if you're poisoned - only if you die of the poison. DrH can confirm this. Such lies can only serve to hurt the town by asking the ghost to protect you. What do you have to hide? | ||
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We need to remember that there are other targets that we must not lose sight of. For instance, glurio (or at least, his predecessor, Bill Murray). Poor guy, but Bill left such a visible trail that I have no doubt he's not a townie. The two confirmed vampires, bumatlarge and youngminii, were very visible in their defense of masq: youngminii On October 13 2010 08:43 youngminii wrote: ebwop by the last sentence i meant that i'm sure veldril's a better lynch candidate than masq On October 13 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote: And I'm one of the people who stood by Masq from the beginning, maybe not as strong as you wanted him lynched but I never had my vote on him. When the Masq bandwagon started I didn't want to jump on because it happened out of nowhere and Masq didn't even make that many posts. Then the Veldril bandwagon started and I put my vote on him as a placeholder kind of thing. Then Veldril makes a series of posts that are very, very questionable. Now I'm strongly against Veldril and I'm supporting Masq on the basis of his posting behaviour, not some silly clues that are unreliable at best. And no, it isn't easy to defend Masq even though I won't be lynched today. What's going to happen if he IS scum? I'll be put under suspicion or targeted by the other scum team since I'll be seen as 'Masq's ally'. Am I willing to get lynched for him? No, but I'm willing to bet that I'm right on this. On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote: What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. And all three turned out to be vampires. In the same vein, Bill Murray even directly suggested [b]having the ghost protect masq[b] EVEN IF he's a red. lol... On October 12 2010 12:59 Bill Murray wrote: There is no or. They are both scum. He is trying to save his own ass, and I don't blame him whatsoever. Masq is way more harmless than Veldril. I suggest this: protect him. Mafia WOULD NOT suggest this, but we need to possibly keep him alive. The reason we need to keep him alive even if he's mafia is so we can be guaranteed to not let the other faction meet their condition. Lynch Veldril, and if he's mafia, have our ghosts protect Masq, or vice versa we can keep him alive to maintain a side. we need to play both sides. Why else would he be so vehement about not lynching Masq, unless he knew masq was in his faction? | ||
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On October 12 2010 14:25 bumatlarge wrote: Have to agree here, I've almost been afraid to post with the likelyhood of missing something important after skimming. But I disagree with the "everyone vote for one person" because then mafia are pushing it also, that shouldn't happen. Since neither player has a vast majority, I think it's safe to say one of them should be non-townie at least. So I'm going vendril based on I felt his defense of masq fairly weak, and townies generally dont defend random strangers with very little information. If vendril pops scum, it should be safe to say masq is same-line scum. | ||
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On October 16 2010 09:51 jodogohoo wrote: haha, as soon as he stops being helpful we can point all the fingers we at him, but as long as he is "actually helping" then it doesn't matter what team he's on, when the game nears it's end, if hes red hes not going to be posting anything helpful for the town. also i think we need to look at the clues, not how relevant it is, but we could use some clue discussion... also as a bonus, we know veldril deserves to die, but who else is bad? the red's are entire teams, not just individuals, we need more than just one person, we should tie suspicious people together and what not. also post history analysis is really good, i saw it in a past mafia game and it was like having maphacks In case you didn't notice. I stopped doing that shit after I got the 10th PM harassing me about it. | ||
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On October 16 2010 11:02 Coagulation wrote: we would uncover much more information by lynching bill or orgo brownbear getting lynched wouldnt tell us much if he popped red.. bill on the otherhand.... Daww, did I hurt your feelings? it's pretty funny that you're including me in every suspicion list you can just because I've been pointing out obvious signs that you might be a red. Lol even you can't list any benefit to the town by lynching me. You've never actually responded to any of my questions, by the way - the suspicions hold, and you won't be able to sidestep answering it forever. You were pretty suspicious from the beginning and tried to "joke" about voting against yourself, and bandwagoned at the first opportunity against anyone who was currently being suspected at the time. On October 11 2010 14:35 Coagulation wrote: why the hell everyone voting to kill me already? theres hasnt been a single clue relevent to me mentioned at all. jeez. On October 11 2010 14:56 Coagulation wrote: omg i found incriminating evidence against myself DoctorHelvetica was sitting at his desk deep within the Liquidvania jail. The jail used to be a dungeon when Dracula was in power and there were still bloodstains on the old stone walls. He heard footsteps coming down the hall, assuming it was the deputy warden coming to do his rounds he didn't even look back but just absorbed himself in his book on zombie history. The door creaked open and the footsteps stopped. DoctorHelvetica looked back at the open doorway but saw no one. better post let the guys know On October 11 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote: NO i think we should all stop analysing and just keep voting for coag for no reason On October 13 2010 11:52 Coagulation wrote: PANDAIN IS MAFIA BILL IS VAMPIRE On October 13 2010 07:06 Coagulation wrote: i think masq would be our best bet for lynch. And how much of an idiot are you, to roleclaim as a zombie ON THE FIRST DAY and expect to believe that shit? On October 12 2010 06:04 Coagulation wrote: well fuck. I had no idea so what exactly is the point of being zombie then? everyone else gets actions and stuff to influence/control the game. and i get the cannon fodder role? lame. Finally, there's that matter of the voting patterns of seraph and coagulation. + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2010 12:14 Kpyolysis32 wrote: You pick up terms and stuff so fast if you read the guides on the basics of how to play If coagulation really read the basics of how to play, he would have clearly avoided what's listed as one of the most common tells of non-townies: JEEP's Tells for Finding Mafia Voting each other while FOSing (Finger of Suspicion) a non-mafia. This is very common. link: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia Look at the history between seraph and coagulation. First, their voting: seRapH On October 11 2010 13:48 seRapH wrote: coagulation. hang the terrorist! On October 12 2010 23:36 seRapH wrote: ##Unvote Coagulation ##Vote Masq Coagulation On October 11 2010 17:17 Coagulation wrote: seraPh On October 13 2010 05:05 Coagulation wrote: unvote seraph vote masq Both of them voted against each other, and only changed their votes towards the very end when a lynch was becoming apparent. Despite his vote, coagulation showed no effort towards bringing suspicion on seraph, and in fact has stopped mentioning him altogether in his posts after the first 12 hour period. Instead he's been pointing fingers left and right: On October 13 2010 11:52 Coagulation wrote: PANDAIN IS MAFIA BILL IS VAMPIRE On October 13 2010 07:06 Coagulation wrote: i think masq would be our best bet for lynch. What's even more damning is seraph also has -zero- posts where he mentions coagulation beyond his last comment, where he shows he really didn't have any good reason to vote for coagulation: On October 11 2010 15:15 seRapH wrote: because you're a terrorist. i'm sorry, i'm american and react badly to terrorists. give me a reason to trust you (such as contributing a valuable analysis) and maybe i'll change my mind. Go ahead, look through their posts. I can wait. | ||
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Am I writing about your use of mafia jargon? l2read please. What people disagreed with me was my pointing out of you claiming to be a noob yet using those words fluently. So I'm not talking about that anymore. There's still countless other suspicions that can be raised against you which people didn't "go over." On October 16 2010 11:28 Coagulation wrote: we already went over this and everyone told you to stop it remember? But yes, I just got a few PMs about treating you "nice." I'll leave it at that - you're not informed enough to pull off such a scheme. Let me give you a hint - if you don't have anything useful to say, stay quiet and you'll at least go halfway. | ||
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You've posted nothing but utterly useless drivel completely devoid of content without a shred of analysis. Faced with that much stupidity, it's hard not to come to some unflattering conclusion about your "intellect," if we can call it that. But hey, look on the bright side. That you have the IQ of an drunken yak probably means you're too dumb to participate in any mafia/vampire schemes. If you were actually a red, you probably would've revealed yourself long ago. So this shows that you're probably a green. | ||
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On October 16 2010 12:11 jcarlsoniv wrote: Orgo, you are getting very personal. Do I think that Coag has made mistakes playing? Sure. I am suspicious of him, and I have held my suspicions from the start. However, there is no reason to bash his intelligence. I have been watching your posts, and you go on heavy offensive against a lot of people. You quote them and analyze them, but you attack them. Your spreadsheet was cool, nice tool for the town. I do, however, think you were using it as a means to get control of the town. You were using it to make yourself a power poster. I no longer believe your intentions are pure, as I did when I gave you the benefit of the doubt when we started. More and more you're coming on as scum to me. I post things that I notice, and show evidence that support those things, if any. If you are so offended by that, then perhaps you have something to hide - and would rather that someone does NOT place a careful eye over everyone's activities? And I've been ridiculed through both PMs as well as this thread for what was an honest effort of many hours. I should have known better than to expect any more from an internet forum -.- Believe what you may, but it was meant as a tool, not as a weapon. | ||
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Qatol turned around to defend himself but was met with a hammer. The silver instrument bashed his skull to pieces, laughed maniacally Nice "selective" analysis. | ||
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I knew coagulation was too... "special" to be a mafia, but I didn't expect Pandein to actually come clean. :O On October 17 2010 06:12 Pandain wrote: Once Jodo and Heaven turns up red, you can. Otherwise, you should be cautious. But as of now I know many blues, so if suddenly like 5000000000000 of them die tonight, you shouldn't. One life for two. Lets do this. I vote Jodogohoo. | ||
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:/ I trust Pandein. Changing to HeavOnEarth. On October 17 2010 03:00 Pandain wrote: I have a dtwho checked Jodo. Also, for heaven on earth, see my post here. In addition, he's barely posted at all, yet has voted. He's made one post. | ||
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Ugh, I don't know anymore. Going back to Bill Murray's replacement. glurio (or at least, his predecessor, Bill Murray). The two confirmed vampires, bumatlarge and youngminii, were very visible in their defense of masq: youngminii On October 13 2010 08:43 youngminii wrote: ebwop by the last sentence i meant that i'm sure veldril's a better lynch candidate than masq On October 13 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote: And I'm one of the people who stood by Masq from the beginning, maybe not as strong as you wanted him lynched but I never had my vote on him. When the Masq bandwagon started I didn't want to jump on because it happened out of nowhere and Masq didn't even make that many posts. Then the Veldril bandwagon started and I put my vote on him as a placeholder kind of thing. Then Veldril makes a series of posts that are very, very questionable. Now I'm strongly against Veldril and I'm supporting Masq on the basis of his posting behaviour, not some silly clues that are unreliable at best. And no, it isn't easy to defend Masq even though I won't be lynched today. What's going to happen if he IS scum? I'll be put under suspicion or targeted by the other scum team since I'll be seen as 'Masq's ally'. Am I willing to get lynched for him? No, but I'm willing to bet that I'm right on this. On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote: What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril. And all three turned out to be vampires. In the same vein, Bill Murray even directly suggested having the ghost protect masq EVEN IF he's a red. lol... On October 12 2010 12:59 Bill Murray wrote: There is no or. They are both scum. He is trying to save his own ass, and I don't blame him whatsoever. Masq is way more harmless than Veldril. I suggest this: protect him. Mafia WOULD NOT suggest this, but we need to possibly keep him alive. The reason we need to keep him alive even if he's mafia is so we can be guaranteed to not let the other faction meet their condition. Lynch Veldril, and if he's mafia, have our ghosts protect Masq, or vice versa we can keep him alive to maintain a side. we need to play both sides. Why else would he be so vehement about not lynching Masq, unless he knew masq was in his faction? | ||
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I'm looking at Bill Murray, Jodogohoo, Bill Murray, Coagulation, Bill Murray... catching my drift? And I wish Pandein was a bit more adamant about his blue status. If we had formed the circle earlier on, I think we'd have had a better chance. | ||
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