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Also, you said 12:00 team liquid time is 11:00 EST. Is that 11 AM or PM? | ||
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On October 11 2010 12:36 KtheZ wrote: Just wondering, who delivers the PMs? I got mine from meeble, but I assume Doc is sending some out too. | ||
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On October 11 2010 13:26 jodogohoo wrote: wait so... did the game start yet? No, we have to wait for DrH/meeple to fix it. | ||
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On October 11 2010 13:26 Thegilaboy wrote: Also I want to echo what LSB stated. When we get our roles again and the day post is remade, we need to take a look for some early clues, but more importantly people need to keep active. A quit townie doesn't help the town and seems suspicious since it looks like you're trying to stay out of the spotlight. If everyone keeps active, mafia will slip up and maybe start revealing themselves  At the same time, we don't want to be TOO active. Spam will hurt just as much as inactivity. We need posts of quality, not quantity. | ||
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BC's says "psycho" right in the description, while meeple's killer is being spoken to by the wind. | ||
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Not sure how much the killings will help us, or if they are even meant to, but at least it gives us something. | ||
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The HeavOnEarth and Masq finds are pretty good. I haven't gotten to look through all the profiles, but those are the most promising I've seen so far. | ||
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After reading, I have my eye on people: Veldril Coagulation Masq When Masq was accused because of his profile picture, Veldril pointed out that we shouldn't accuse so quickly, etc. I see this as not a blatant defense, but a defense to get us to chill out while also keeping his head off the chopping block. On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote: Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Then Masq posts being grateful for some support. This could be some attempt at teaming, and should be kept in mind. Then, more deflecting, trying to get us to vote less rashly: On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote: I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. Coagulation has been very sarcastic the entire thread, accusing himself with attempts at humor and long shot theories. Then he has been crying when people get suspicious of him. Not quite sure how I think about it yet. Masq is on my list because of his profile picture only. He has been relatively quiet, and I'm not sure how to use the clues from the murders yet, but I want him to be kept an eye on just for pure speculation sake. I would be comfortable lynching any one of these three. I think Veldril is my top pick, Coag being second, and Masq last. | ||
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On October 12 2010 00:19 orgolove wrote: It won't be of much help if I don't get more help on some of the info... I may make mistakes or miss somethings - I can't possibly keep track of 61 people at once all by myself. At the very least I'll update the votes list daily... I can help you out if you want. Just tell me what you would want me to do, and I can PM you what I find. | ||
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Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too Admitting that you should be suspected and then saying you also suspect Masq only makes me think that you are trying to shed suspicion. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. "townie like us" seems to me that you are trying to make the players feel you are one of the townies. Why would someone who is a townie want to try and appear to be a townie? I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. You are trying to placate BM by agreeing that his accusations were reasonable. This is an attempt to get on his good side. It is possible that you could make the same mistakes Misder did, and, even if you recognized that you did, you are trying to convince him that you wouldn't make these mistakes. I am tagging you as a red. You are trying too hard to appear innocent. Well, my dear friend, there is no such thing as innocence, just varying degrees of guilt. Side note: While the clues from the murders are important, I believe the discussions and peoples' reactions will reveal more to us. | ||
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On October 12 2010 03:09 CubEdIn wrote: Not that it's very relevant, but you couldn't get 7 kills on vampire or mafia since they know who they are and would not use their 3 kills on their own team. So tops would be 4 kills on one side and 3 kills on the other, which wouldn't be TOO bad. It would make the game fairly interesting, since all sides gain from killing the other sides, so it would still be fairly even in terms of Mafia vs Vampires, but the Townies would have the advantage. As for masq, as I said in the beginning, it may not be the smartest thing to go on with such an obvious clue, but then again what other options do we have? Really, no other clues come close to this in my opinion. If we find someone who's more likely, then I'd gladly change my vote. We can't only look at clues. Reading into posting manner will reveal a lot more than what we can gather from Day 1 clues. Veldril is evading. Whether or not he is in cahoots, I have no idea, but there is definitely something fishy about him. His posts are somewhat passive submissive: not necessarily laying the blame so as not to make enemies, but still trying to get the target off his head. I think we are better off taking someone out who is vehemently trying to escape/blend in than we are off of some vague clue conjecture. | ||
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On October 12 2010 03:33 YummyBlaBla wrote: The Jack-o-lantern hint is a clue. I don't think it means that the clue refers to the blue role. It does not refer to the blue role. Dr. H has already said so. | ||
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On October 12 2010 03:43 CubEdIn wrote: I don't agree with the "we won't be able to gather enough votes on Veldril" thing. It only takes 3 people to change their vote to tip the scales in Veldril's favor. And those who voted for Masq are probably suspicious of Veldril now as well. Agreed. Plus, there are still some people who have not read/posted, so we'll see where our discussion takes us. Maybe we can tip the scales towards Veldril. | ||
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On October 12 2010 04:17 orgolove wrote: oh fuck, I meant deconduo, not jcarlsoniv in the last post sorry Lol I was gonna say... My vote was also for Veldril, not Coag. That was a typo and I already asked the kind Doctor to fix it, which he has. | ||
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seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) jodogohoo - 1 - youngminii - (L-30) ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) aztrorisk - 1 - d3_crescentia - (L-30) These are the 5 votes I'm not so sure on. Any information will help us make a decision. | ||
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On October 12 2010 04:42 annul wrote: FYI masq is not the jack o lantern the mod said that clues do not point to ROLES only to things in peoples profiles and shit so the jack of lantern picture and the jack o lantern clue does not mean he is the jack o lantern role He is not necessarily the Jack-o-Lantern. It is possible, but the clues don't reveal anything about roles. | ||
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On October 12 2010 05:08 Pandain wrote: In addition, it seems like the MAIN reason why we are voting Veldril is because of his support of Masq. Therefore, wouldn't voting masq actually be a better choice because 1.We have a more direct clue and more obvious towards him 2.If Masq is town, that lends a whole bunch of credibility towards Veldril And what information do we gain from lynching Veldril? We don't even know if Masq is town/mafia if veldril is town, since Townies make mistakes and defend the wrong people all the time. But if we lynch Masq, we gain info on all the people who defended him and accused him based on his role. Masq is a better lynch than veldril. All we have on Masq is the jack-o-lantern clue, and that he was happy when Veldril defended him. Veldril, on the other hand, has defended Masq, tried to deflect focus, has been very outspoken, evaded suspicion, etc. I believe that Veldril is the more dangerous one of the two, and, as such, should be removed. | ||
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On October 12 2010 05:18 orgolove wrote: But jcarl, it may be that's just the way he plays the game. Of course this is possible. There are oh so many different possible scenarios in this game, and Day 1 is just full of uncertainty. | ||
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Unnecessary. Your posts have been plentiful and, for the most part, lacking quality. You are stirring up unneeded disruption/conflict. You will be gone soon enough. | ||
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If a ghost is out protecting someone, are they still able to be killed on a Mafia/Vamp hit? Or would the hitman just go to the ghost's "house" and see no one there? | ||
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Alright, that's what I figured, thanks. | ||
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On October 12 2010 06:40 jodogohoo wrote: stop derailing the thread and cluttering stuff up Haha, look at jodo, policing the clutter now =P Town does need the blues to do something though. We need some information tonight, and we need to protect our most vulnerable/valuable. I am more than willing to help coordinate blues if they want me to. | ||
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On October 12 2010 06:47 seRapH wrote: i dont think jcarl is red, but i do agree with this post. I don't disagree with Pandain, I'm just trying to help out. It is important to find a lynch target, but equally, if not more important to make sure our blues are being used well. Sorry to step on your toes Pandain, you can handle that. | ||
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On October 12 2010 06:52 Pandain wrote: And whos to say you will help them use it well? Who's to say you're not mafia, leading the Medic to protect their own scum. Or even an innocent townie who gives bad advice. If you really want to help blues, tell them what they should be doing. Like this: Dts: check suscipcious people, active people, vets, Medics: protect people who you think will get hit, especially pro town seeming ones, and me n.n Vets: try to soak up hits, pretend as other blues. Mad hatter: place carefully. If you really have a good read place it on them. + Show Spoiler + yum yum goes to play sc2 yum yum Pandain, it might be MORE helpful if you actually use the real Role names instead of general mafia ones. Especially for the newer players, like myself, to know what exactly you want done. | ||
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Very interesting. Not sure what to think about this. O_o | ||
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On October 12 2010 09:50 LSB wrote: Oh wait, if its a mind game, that probably means that Veldril is scum and they want to muddle the waters into a giant mess of WIFORM. But maybe Masq is scum and he just wants us to come to this conclusion, and by doing this we'll waste a lynch as Veldril will be falsly accused Or Or Or.... mind explodes + Show Spoiler + Sorry just had to do that And, hence, WIFOM, haha. I'm still gonna stick with Veldril for now. | ||
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On October 12 2010 09:58 YummyBlaBla wrote: How do you know you're not mafia/vampire!??!?!!? We don't. For now, though, I am going to trust Pandain. He could be giving them bad advice, or he could be lying to us. That's the nature of this game, you never know when people are lying. However, we can give Pandain the benefit of the doubt for the moment so that things can unfold. | ||
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On October 12 2010 10:01 seRapH wrote: even if he is red, his objective would be the opposing reds, and not townies unless his faction starts to lose too many. Which is why I'm comfortable letting it happen, at least for Day 1. | ||
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On October 12 2010 10:32 aztrorisk wrote: Hey guys, I have finished a chart about all the possible outcomes. Note that these favor charts are according to my POV and it would be impossible to represent the POV of everyone here. As a result, feel free to edit this chart yourself with what you believe seems to favor one position more than the other. http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/rox33rox33cool11/chart.png here are the trends associated with the chart: -mafia tend to fare better when they are less involved. -Towns fare about in the middle between involvement and non-involvement with makes the ghost choice about a 50-50 decision to come or not to come -Vampires tend to fare better by not being involved or sending a brute. However, due to the trends with the others, it seems that sending a brute would work to their disadvantage as non-involvement seems the better choice. -note that the outcomes contains many other variables and a % of good outcomes for your side will be highly inaccurate because people might be more likely to be non-involved than involved. Pandain said that there is another person claiming to be a bomber and I would like to say that you guys should denounce this thought until someone comes out and admits it on the thread so I can publicly denounce them for the fraud that they are on this thread. Right now, this "fraud" if he does exist, is trying to denounce my position while refusing to accept the risks (such as being a target). Honestly, I am going to take zero stock in this. Your last posts have all been nonsense. You keep telling people to stay on track while trying to stir up conflict. Your claim has caused nothing but trouble. Who is to say that there is only one bomber? I don't remember ever reading that there would only be one of each blue. (Correct me if I'm wrong) You are being very vehement and playing stupidly. If, in fact, you are the JoL, you haven't helped anything by announcing yourself. You have painted a huge target on yourself, and have given M/V more information than they had, while giving the town very little gain. If you are M/V trying to stir up trouble, well then good job, you have been. I am going to be largely ignoring you because it isn't going to help me at all. | ||
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Everyone is suspicious, and everything that has been said can be put under scrutiny. | ||
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On October 12 2010 13:26 Coagulation wrote: orgo may be a red trying to run a campaign of disinformation. im not saying he is.. im just saying its possible. Yes, this is of course possible. However, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he is providing something that will potentially help the town. I have been helping him gather some information as well, and I have been looking through the information that is there. | ||
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Gooooooooood Morning! I am going to keep an eye on this little post. Jodogohoo has been spamming the entire game. I have told him off, as well as many others. However, in this post, it can be read as a sarcastic little smack by a teammate (I know, sarcasm over internet = bad). The "<3" only reinforces this feeling. Sure, it could be a guy who feels bad about spamming. OR, it could be a subtle teammate interaction slip up. I didn't catch it at first, because it just looked like more spam within the few pages of utter worthlessness, but I think it could point to something. | ||
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On October 12 2010 22:42 CubEdIn wrote: I don't get this bandwaggoning that's going on. WHY is Veldril more important than Masq? We are only voting for him BECAUSE he tried to defend Masq, so if we're voting for him, then we just assume that Masq is also M/V. Correct? So why not be methodical about it, and start with Masq? If he proves to be a Mafia/Vamp, then we'll know for sure that so is Veldril. If not, then our whole premise was wrong and we should rethink our steps. How is this an issue? WHY VELDRIL FIRST? I don't get the reasoning here. I am not condemning Veldril only because he defended Masq. That was what led into it. His actions afterwards are what convinced me that he should be lynched. He started "chainsaw defending", pointing fingers elsewhere, but not aggressively. He was doing it rather passively, trying to just slip out of view and get the attention somewhere else. When someone created an argument, he conceded very very easily, which I see as an attempt to make fewer enemies. His posts made it seem like he was trying to prove innocence, which is not necessarily something a townie would feel the need to do as much. | ||
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Ghost: I would say ghosts could protect those who have been most outspoken towards voting a certain way. If the lynchee ends up being M/V, that side could be vengeful and want to take out whoever pushed for the lynching. This could be myself/Bill Murray for Veldril, or even Cubedin and others for Masq. Also, orgolove could be in danger because he is providing a database of observations for the town. Detective: I would like to find out orgolove's or jodogohoo's affiliation. While orgo has been supposedly helpful to the town, it doesn't shake the fact that his intentions could be malicious. Jodo has been disruptive the entire time, and has changed his vote many times already. Also, as I stated in one of my last posts, I find this interaction somewhat suspicious: On October 12 2010 21:29 jcarlsoniv wrote: Gooooooooood Morning! I am going to keep an eye on this little post. Jodogohoo has been spamming the entire game. I have told him off, as well as many others. However, in this post, it can be read as a sarcastic little smack by a teammate (I know, sarcasm over internet = bad). The "<3" only reinforces this feeling. Sure, it could be a guy who feels bad about spamming. OR, it could be a subtle teammate interaction slip up. I didn't catch it at first, because it just looked like more spam within the few pages of utter worthlessness, but I think it could point to something. Boogeyman: I would say, depending on who gets lynched (Masq/Veldril) we could spy in the closet of the other. This could open a bit of insight. However, it does open a bit of vulnerability to the Brute, so other options should also be looked at, Mad Scientist: I'm not sure how this should be used. Whoever is the scientist should look at the clues and see if there is anything that they can link to people other than Masq/Veldril so we could possible gather more information. Jack O'Lantern: It seems Pandain is handling the suggestions on this, so I'll let him take it. Information is going to be our greatest asset going into Day 2, so anything we can gather on Night 1 will be good for the town. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 13 2010 00:26 jcarlsoniv wrote: Hmm...my take on possible Blue options tonight: Ghost: I would say ghosts could protect those who have been most outspoken towards voting a certain way. If the lynchee ends up being M/V, that side could be vengeful and want to take out whoever pushed for the lynching. This could be myself/Bill Murray for Veldril, or even Cubedin and others for Masq. Also, orgolove could be in danger because he is providing a database of observations for the town. Detective: I would like to find out orgolove's or jodogohoo's affiliation. While orgo has been supposedly helpful to the town, it doesn't shake the fact that his intentions could be malicious. Jodo has been disruptive the entire time, and has changed his vote many times already. Also, as I stated in one of my last posts, I find this interaction somewhat suspicious: Boogeyman: I would say, depending on who gets lynched (Masq/Veldril) we could spy in the closet of the other. This could open a bit of insight. However, it does open a bit of vulnerability to the Brute, so other options should also be looked at, Mad Scientist: I'm not sure how this should be used. Whoever is the scientist should look at the clues and see if there is anything that they can link to people other than Masq/Veldril so we could possible gather more information. Jack O'Lantern: It seems Pandain is handling the suggestions on this, so I'll let him take it. Information is going to be our greatest asset going into Day 2, so anything we can gather on Night 1 will be good for the town. I think it would be good to have more discussion on it to gain more insight on town opinions. | ||
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On October 13 2010 02:10 Aeres wrote: Overall, seems like a sound plan. However, I don't think that the Brute is such a problem this early in the game. I mean, from my understanding, the Brute is more of a trump card later on, when all three populations have been thinned out a bit. Since Masq and Veldril are both the primary targets today, I doubt the Brute would be necessary for either of them, since one of them is dying tonight regardless, and lynching or an alternate kill method would do the job for the other more efficiently. I don't think the Vampires would waste such a powerful tool on either of them... and there's always the possibility that one or both of them are Vampires too (sucks for them = /), in which case the Brute's not going after them. Also, I confess I don't really understand why oroglove is being suspected of wrongdoing. He said himself that he'd do his best to remedy mistakes in the spreadsheet, and such a document is a huge asset to the townspeople. Am I missing something as to why he's being accused of malice? Not taking sides or anything, I'm just genuinely confused. I don't think the Brute is much of a threat so early either, but that doesn't mean we should ignore it as a threat. I'm not necessarily accusing orgo. His database is a good tool for the town. But it is dangerous leaving someone with that much pull/influence unchecked, regardless if he is friendly or enemy. I'm not trying to accuse him. I just want people to be aware of the possibility. Finding out his affiliation sooner rather than later, I believe, will be beneficial. If we find out he is green, then hooray, we can trust his database with very little worry. If we find out he's red, then immediately, Day 2, it is one less thing the town has to look at and worry about. | ||
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After Night 1, hopefully we will learn more and be able to get more of a plan going. | ||
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I think that taking out Masq first will be the smarter route. The chance to learn information is greater lynching him than it would be lynching Veldril. Cubedin has expressed this many times in his posts, and I have to say that I agree with him. Do I think Veldril should be forgotten? Absolutely not. I think we will learn more about Veldril by lynching Masq than we would about Masq by lynching Veldril. | ||
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Obviously, it is your choice, though. I would like a detective to look into orgolove/BM/Pandain, because I think they are three very important players that need to be checked out. Other suspicious people inclue jodogohoo, youngminii, and aztrorisk. | ||
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On October 13 2010 13:44 Pandain wrote: exactly, why would you want to waste it. Medics want to protect people. Vampire brute will in all liklihood not be used. However, just to be sure I'm asking DT NOT to check me this night, prefferably next night or after. I agree with you here Pandain. The new players probably won't be killed. So, if a ghost protects them, it would just be a wasted blue. The chances of the brute being used tonight are slim, but who knows? The brute will be more powerful when it can take out a higher percentage of the players. Now, it WOULD suck if the ghosts stacked, but only because that's one less person who will be protected. But I do not fear the brute too much tonight. | ||
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You are on my shit list, along with some others, and the clutter that has entered this thread recently is just ridiculous. | ||
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So, by lynching Masq, we learned one of two things: 1. Veldril is his teammate and was trying to protect him. We lynch Veldril. 2. Veldril is just an idiot and got the attention of the town with his sketchy posting. We could still lynch Veldril and I don't think there would be too much harm, assuming he's not a blue. The way I see it, we have room for one bad lynch right now, because a first day scum kill almost never happens. We have a little leeway. That being said, I don't think we should waste a lynch. Veldril should be watched and not forgotten, but the downside is, if we kill Veldril, we won't really have much more to go on (ceteris paribus). We have some clues that Veldril is scum, so that should be kept in our minds. However, depending on what we learn from Night 1, the discussion on Day 2 could reveal a much higher priority target. | ||
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This is my very first time playing Mafia ever, not just online. I read a couple of guides briefly, and it is very easy to pick up on the "jargon" as you call it. I have been a very frequent poster in this thread - maybe not as much as coag, but I'm trying to make sure my posts hold content, and aren't just spam. I do not trust you Mr. Spreadsheet Sir, not one bit. | ||
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On October 14 2010 13:04 aztrorisk wrote: Goodbye World: My final remarks when I die: I apologize to my fellow townsmen that I was such a bad player. As a result, I depart. Stop being a martyr. If you would like, volunteer yourself for the lynch =P | ||
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On October 14 2010 13:41 Coagulation wrote: HOLY FUCKING CAT Kpyolysis32 i dont wanna seem kind of harsh but if this isnt an obvious link to scum then i dont know what is. Guys, the clues won't be as obvious as the one we used to lynch Masq. They could be, yes. I don't believe they will be though. Stop pointing fingers so fast, I don't want another Day 1 shit show -_- | ||
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I'm curious what information our blues gathered in the night. | ||
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On October 14 2010 19:42 KhrisKruel wrote: I want to put my two cents in about blue roles. Firstly, if you have a blue role, for the love of god don't claim unless you have a good reason. Don't even hint at them. You are giving the scum more information to easily make their nightkills. Secondly, don't discuss what blue roles need to do. NB did this during day 1, and he was the mafia godfather. Blue roles will do what blue roles do, and they will give us information when they want us to. Thirdly, don't claim to people in PM's. Don't listen to them when they say others have already claimed. You have no idea if they are townie or not, and knowing who you are you will die and the town will lose a blue role. If that person tries to gain your trust by showing you a PM of them from DrH, they're cheating. They can tell you any role they have. All role PMs are public. Also, we were given two role pms, one of which has been changed. How do you know he isn't showing you the one given before? As a rule, people discussing blue actions and asking people to PM them are never trustworthy. I hope the newbies to mafia don't fall into this. If you are a blue role, do what you think is best and don't listen to what anyone else tells you. Don't play WIFOM games of "well if we talk abou tit, then it won't happen." Just do what you believe is best. Don't worry about failing. Failing would be letting the mafia influence your night action for their benefit. As a rule I'm highly suspicious of anyone discussing blue actions publicly. This is highly cynical and I'm going to argue that it is just a stupid idea entirely. There needs to be structure in this game. It is inherently hard to build that town structure in this game because you can't trust ANYONE. However, that does not mean everyone should keep secrets. PMs should be had between people, and trust should be -tried- to be gained. If everyone just does their own thing, it will be the most chaotic game ever. If you honestly suspect people just for suggesting blue actions, then you would already know that I was theorycrafting what blues could do for Night 1 (unless everyone just ignores my posts, in which case *sadface*). If you are going to suspect me for that, then go ahead, it will be a waste. Blues shouldn't blindly declare, and certainly shouldn't publicly declare, but that's not to say that there shouldn't be an attempt to make some structure. | ||
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On October 14 2010 22:55 KhrisKruel wrote: Yes I suspect you. I Don't trust anyone trying to control blue actions. The town doesn't need structure until late in the game when roles are pretty much confirmed. At that point a mass claim is correct. Early in the game its better just to let blues do what they want. Besides, who is going to control the structure? Why would anyone trust anyone? If you claim to a mafia, you'll just die the next night. Any blue claiming to an unknown person has got to be completely retarded. Players that are new to the game might fall for these dumb tactics. I have not been trying to control the blues. I have merely made suggestions about possible targets, and put in my opinions of where blues could go. I never said that I was the person to trust. If people were to claim to me, they would have my trust, but there is no way for anyone to know that unless I am role checked. I am not TRYING to control the blues, I am only saying that having no structure is futile. The Mafia/Vampire win conditions are to kill all of the enemy faction. They do not win by killing townies. Townies will die, sure. But us dying won't get the M/V any closer to a win. The mafia and vampires are already structured, they know their allies and who they can target. The town is set back extremely by not knowing anything. We are fortunate that we have had this many scum die thus far, but that does not mean we can sit on our asses and hope that a chaotic bumblefuck of townies will win in the end. Even if, as you claim, a structure is not needed until late game, it is difficult to set one up at the blink of an eye. We need to start now. | ||
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On October 15 2010 00:30 seRapH wrote: The high accuracy rate surprises me too. Either I suck more at this game than I thought or something big is happening in PM land. I doubt the mafia was looking to kill vamp brute, or vamps looked for GF, and both sides just got lucky. All in all its still really really surprising. Or both, haha... =P It is tough to fathom how BM had so many PMs, but judging from the amount of people who posted their PMs with him, I suppose it is possible. If he PMd everyone in the game, he most likely got at least one response. Most of these probably evolved into at least small conversations, so it is feasible. Regardless, it doesn't make me not-suspicious (god these double negatives are killing me). | ||
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On October 15 2010 01:37 deconduo wrote: Don't forget that the vamps might have more than one brute. True. But the fact that one is gone is a HUGE deal, regardless if there is another. | ||
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On October 15 2010 11:04 Node wrote: Kpyolisis32 is pretty damn sketchy in my book. Forget the damn cat for a moment, and just look at the way he's been posting: I mean, this statement is so weird no matter how you look at it. It's just, "Yep, the clue points to me. That's all." He doesn't defend himself. He doesn't deny that it was him, or provide other potential suspects. To me, it just looks like a ploy to gain some townie cred by implicating himself just a little bit, hoping that people will move on accepting that there's no way a red would provide evidence against himself. The only defense we get is: I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. Y'know, this actually makes some sense. There are a lot of good suspicions this day, and good analysis from a lot of players. I'm sad I haven't been very active, the next couple days for me will be very busy. I trying to keep up by reading on my phone when I get the chance, but I don't often have time to craft a response via iphone touch pad. On October 15 2010 12:46 Pandain wrote: no one continue to vote vendril. I need to check something...and we have a whole 'nother day. I am going to be playing Day 2 a bit more passively and see what others come up for as ideas. I will hold off on a vote for a little while because I don't want to switch often. I will try to post a bit more when I wake up. For now, I bid you good morrow! | ||
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I haven't gotten to read all of Day 2, but has nothing new developed? It sort of just feels like we're bandwagoning Day 1's discussion. Do I think Veldril should go? Yeah, probably. Just surprised that no one new has really gained more suspicion. | ||
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On October 15 2010 21:38 CubEdIn wrote: It's not just that. There are some people who have gained a lot of suspicion, but none nearly as much as Veldril, AND if we're right, it will reduce Vamp KP by 1. So it's a pretty high-priority target. ...unless we're wrong, which is what I'm most scared of right now. Yeah, we may be wrong, but let's look at the scenarios: 1. He's townie - not that big of a deal. We have a decent lead, we can afford one or two townie kills. 2. He's blue - this is worst case scenario, losing a blue would suck. 3. He's Vampire - Vampires lose a kill point, Mafia has a decent edge on Vamps, we would need to start focusing on finding Mafia. 4. He's Mafia - Mafia and Vamps are more even, Vamps still have 3 KP. Even if each scenario has an equal percentage chance of income, we have a 75% chance of it not going badly for the town. I see scenarios 3 and 4 to be about equally beneficial. 3 is more beneficial for Night 2, while 4 is more beneficial for the long run of the game. | ||
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On October 15 2010 22:15 KhrisKruel wrote: You do realize this can be said about every player in the game. This post reeks of "I don't care if Veldril dies" I'm not sure how it reeks of "I don't care if Veldril dies." I am putting my thoughts down and sharing them. It could be said for everyone, yes, but I'm trying to generate discussion. I feel Veldril is either green or scum, I think (hope) he wouldn't play so recklessly if he were blue. So lynching him has a low chance of having a negative effect on the town. We have a bit of leeway to accidentally lynch a townie. I'm not sure if I'd prefer to lynch Vamp or Mafia at this point. Having one less kill per night would be sweet, but not giving Mafia a significant lead would also be awesome. | ||
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On October 15 2010 22:40 KhrisKruel wrote: Actually, now that I think about it, it does mean you care if Veldril dies. You give completely illogical numbers. Anyone can see from the OP its not an equal chance of being each. Your numbers heavily skew towards advantageous numbers. A townie lynch is not good. Ever. Sad that you would think that. I know scum would think that townie kills are good though. With your illogical numbers, and no vote yourself, your post screams "I want Veldril dead but I don't want to get my hands dirty." Even if you do plan to vote for him, if this is really your reasoning, then that's scummy. You are so dumb, you are really dumb, for real. (sorry, had to quote the meme) I said "even if they are equal chances". I know there is not an equal chance of occurring. I also never said killing a townie is good. I said we could afford to cobviouslly I would much prefer a scum kill, but if a townie gets lynched accidentally, I'm not going to go cut myself over it. I have not voted yet because over the last 48 hours I have been training for an exhibition show, so I have not been able to read thoroughly, and thus, I am reserving myself. You are attacking me for brainstorming. Welcome to my shot list, buddy. | ||
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On October 15 2010 22:55 deconduo wrote: 1. Bad 2. Very Bad 3. Kinda Bad (Maf quite close to winning) 4. Good 75% chance of it going bad. I don't think the maths matter though, if veldril is scum, its 99% that he's a vamp rather than a maf. I don't think lynching him is a good idea. I see it as: 1. Not favorable (but not detrimental) 2. Terribad 3. Good, but not preferable 4. Great And this is why I'm posting my thoughts. To generate this kind of discussion. | ||
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Backs down. I had a pm with Dr. H that one of the major scum tells is someone accusing/making a point, then backing down. Now, obviously townies can do this all the time, but it points towards a scum. I thought we couldn't discuss PMs shared with mods... :3 | ||
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Do I think that Coag has made mistakes playing? Sure. I am suspicious of him, and I have held my suspicions from the start. However, there is no reason to bash his intelligence. I have been watching your posts, and you go on heavy offensive against a lot of people. You quote them and analyze them, but you attack them. Your spreadsheet was cool, nice tool for the town. I do, however, think you were using it as a means to get control of the town. You were using it to make yourself a power poster. I no longer believe your intentions are pure, as I did when I gave you the benefit of the doubt when we started. More and more you're coming on as scum to me. | ||
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On October 16 2010 12:25 orgolove wrote: I post things that I notice, and show evidence that support those things, if any. If you are so offended by that, then perhaps you have something to hide - and would rather that someone does NOT place a careful eye over everyone's activities? And I've been ridiculed through both PMs as well as this thread for what was an honest effort of many hours. I should have known better than to expect any more from an internet forum -.- Believe what you may, but it was meant as a tool, not as a weapon. I have nothing to fear from someone keeping an eye on posts. All good players SHOULD keep a close eye on posts. If you really wish to analyze my posts and find your suspicions, go ahead. It will be a waste of your time. I have made my posts with content and with purpose. I am not ridiculing you for your spreadsheet. I know it took a lot of work, if you recall, I gave you some of my own analyses to help you out. However, just because it was a good tool does not mean that I will go without my own suspicions. | ||
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Interesting. Well, I'm sorry to say, I must be a creeper then. If the only evidence you have is a DT check, which, sure, is some nice evidence, and you are convinced, go ahead. If you find evidence in my posts damning me to be vampire, then I will be more inclined to believe you. If you do though, it will be a wasted death. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: dt check ----------------------------------------- Original Message From jcarlsoniv: Lol, ok, go ahead if you want another lynch like tonight. What possible evidence do you have that I'm vampire? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: just vampire. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From jcarlsoniv: ...just curious, what are you going to reveal me as. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: With vendril dead, I want some info NOW or I'm revealing you asap and let mafia do w/e I know, obviously I would claim creeper if someone confronted me, right? Well, I assure you that I am a zombie. If people find evidence in my posts that suggests otherwise, please bring it up. I will be a wasted death/kill if I am targeted because of this. | ||
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On October 16 2010 13:17 KhrisKruel wrote: To be honest jcarl, I think you're a vampire too. You pushed for Veldril when Masq was gaining speed, just like every other flipped vampire. You rarely do any scum finding, while trying to push people to scum find. You suspect people that have flamboyant posting styles, when play styles aren't really indicative of scum or not. You publicly keep asking for blue information. No one is going to give you blue information. That would be suicide on the blue's part. So yes I thought you were a vamp too. I pushed for Veldril because I thought I was on to something. It is my first game, but I saw some behavior that I thought made sense and I rolled with it. I was wrong. What do you mean a rarely do scum finding? It has been two days, how many opportunities have there been to find scum? I post analyses of people when I can, and often state who I suspect. The last couple of days have been hectic for me, so I didn't get that much posting done. I ask for blue information because, thus far, we have known very little. What can a town do without any information? Speculate on ambiguous clue that can be read in many ways. Giving me blue information would not be suicide on the blue's part, but there is obviously no way for them to know that unless the role check me (which apparently Pandain didn't actually do, he's just special, haha). Go ahead and think I'm vamp, I think you are scum as well. | ||
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Seeing pandain go is very rough. I didn't trust him at first, but then I started to think he had good motives. In light of pandain's death, I would like to volunteer myself to replace him as a liason of sorts to the blues. If you role claim to me, I can make sure no blues are wasted by doing the same thing. I already know one JoL, and a DT. | ||
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Picture: BadASS Hulk behind Da Vinci's Man thing Quote: "Adonai Bless" - Adonai is Hebrew for Lord Public Profile: + Show Spoiler + If you can dream–and not make dreams your master, If you can think–and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; Favourite few lines from overused but good poem A Priest an Irishman and a Bishop walk into a bar. The barman says "What is this, some kind of joke?" Don't really see any connection to clues just yet. Posting History: Was subbed in Day 2. Has two posts in this thread, and one vote. First Post: + Show Spoiler + I'm going to start reading over this thread from page 1, currently only browsed about 5 pages related to the *He who shall not be named* funnies and eventual modkill, but nothing else. From the looks of things there is already a strong consensus on who is being lynched today, if anyone wouldn't mind briefly summarising the reasoning behind Veldril's lynch it would help me out, although I'm going to be going over the thread so will come to it eventually, given the huge number of people voting for him I'd imagine a very strong clue tie or DT check? Questions the largely unanimous cry for Veldril's lynch. Wants to find out what prompted it because he had yet to read through the thread. Second Post: + Show Spoiler + I'm going to vote Veldril, gotten someway through the thread so far, but about to go to sleep and don't want to miss voting (getting modkilled just as I sub in would be an unwelcome irony ) I have to say though, and this is entirely an "on the surface" evaluation, I'm quite surprised thatthe Veldril lynch is being supported so unanimously, the evidence against him doesn't to me seem warranting of such a strong response, but hey as I say that's mostly just my reaction to reading Pandain's post which has been linked as surmising the arguments against Veldy well. I'll delve further into reading through the thread when I wake up tomorrow, and expect to have at least skim read it fully by then. Jumping onto the Veldril bandwagon to avoid an inactive modkilling since he hasn't gotten to read the whole thread. Understandable. Is very surprised by how strong the town was against Veldril with the amount of evidence we had. All in all, his posts don't seem too scummy, but off of only two posts, it is very difficult to tell. | ||
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Out of all of those candidates, which ones have been the quietest? The ones voting without putting in their opinions are suspect to me. HeavOnEarth has been very quiet this entire game. He only has two posts in the thread. The first was: + Show Spoiler + Wow after reading the thread I am thoroughly convinced we may have a mafia/vampire kill on day 1- Veldril. Nice work spotting him Bill His second post was him defending himself against Pandain and defending his profile: + Show Spoiler + Hey guys. I've been super busy with university work( 2nd year Chemical Engineer), so i've only had time to vote for suspects that were posted in the thread. As for Pandain, i have to point out his analysis of me is completely wrong claims hes thoroughly convinced we MAY have a mafia/vamp. What kind of sentence is that? Also tries to indirectly gain town cred for Bill, who I'm suscipcious of because he always seems scummy to me and the numerous references to drunkeness in the day post. Compare that with his quote: "Sobriety is a sin whose destruction ought be perused without abandon." First off, my quote isn't "Sobriety is a sin whose destruction ought be perused without abandon." as you guys can clearly see for yourselves his album in his profile is by a finnish death metal band. The second song is called "songs of the storm." this is also false, the album picture in my profile, does not have songs of the storm listed This is the image: and the album tracks: http://artists.letssingit.com/insomnium-album-since-the-day-it-all-came-down-92g736 you can clearly see that pandain's claims are false. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6621623 ^ his post for quoting reference Also, he wrongly claimed that jodogohoo was vampire, and you guys followed him with that as well. Clearly, he was not. I don't see why you guys would defend the points of Pandain who has been wrong all game. I know i haven't been active, and im sorry for that, which led to me lynching Veld , but if you want to claim me for that, you might as well lynch half the town, as a large majority of them also voted for veld as well. He voted for Veldril on both Day 1 and 2. I think Pandain may have been on to something. The Artanis clue is really freaking good though. But since he wasn't here on Day 1 when the first clue about the hammer and face crumbling came out, I'm inclined to say it's coincidence. If the Mad Scientist could find out if there is any connection, that would be very good. However, the quote in HeavOnEarth's profile fits the clue just as well, as Nemesis pointed out. "Break every bone in your face If you mess with my life" For now, I think my vote is going to be for HeavOnEarth. | ||
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On October 19 2010 12:39 AirbladeOrange wrote: I say the town should vote for Glurio for the simple fact that he replaced Bill Murray. That's how I voted. That's a pretty dick move, lol. He could be red, yeah, but he more just got screwed over by BM lashing out. Glurio's posts really haven't pointed me to believe he's scum. Here's to hoping we don't lose another townie though... | ||
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On October 19 2010 13:22 orgolove wrote: I blame the loss on BM's shitty posting that confused the HELL out of townies from the first day onwards. I do partially. But I hope everyone realizes that you were the biggest advocate for lynching glurio. You pushed damn hard to get him lynched. All you've been doing is finger pointing, and it's not helping the town out at all. | ||
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On October 19 2010 20:41 CubEdIn wrote: Not that I like saying "i told you so", but I did. We should start with clues/lurkers, not "the way they act". Obviously, we're either not good enough to figure out who is M/V by the way they post, OR, we've been listening to the wrong people. Either way, maybe next time try to judge by yourself and not go with the flock. I'm gonna keep my vote on HeavOnEarth until something more solid comes along. This was a freaking epic-loss night for the town. We're fucked. This was only partially a "how they act". It was people freaking out because Bill Murray lashed out, and orgolove pushed for glurio to be lynched. Glurio really gave no proof that he was scum, but people still rolled with it. The scum run this town... However, 4 of the 5 deaths were from modkills. We've lost way more to inactivity than to good play, which is fucking ridiculous. Don't sign up if you don't plan on playing...it's ruining the game for everyone else. I mean, if the scum feel happy that town is so weak, cool, congrats. But it's not like they did anything to get there. They aren't playing well, the town is just dying because we lose 3+ people to modkills everyday. | ||
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The modkills are frustrating. It's especially disheartening because it looks like people are just like "Oh, well, I'm a townie, I don't have to do shit, it's no fun not having a role." Well that's hurting the game, and I really hope the people we have left are willing to put the time and effort in to at least try to win it. Also, we do need some sort of leadership. The whole game has been the town bandwagoning on vague clues and poor behavior. We don't have much information from our blues (or whatever blues we even have left), and the town is scrambling and getting pushed around by the scum. We need to do something, centralize the ideas and information, instead of just letting the scum turn our heads the wrong way. | ||
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On October 20 2010 19:50 deconduo wrote: ##Vote HeavOnEarth First vote of the day. Care to share why deconduo? I'm pretty sick of lurkers. | ||
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On October 22 2010 06:20 Kenpachi wrote: oh really? well i just added a "to" in the second line  Doubt it matters. And since Dr.H JUST said the next edit will be a modkill, I certainly hope he follows through. That, and it'll save us a lynch target, and we can pick someone else. | ||
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On October 22 2010 06:35 Kenpachi wrote: man carlson you make me feel so bad right now I don't mean to make you feel bad. Dr.H literally just said, on page 118, that the next edit would result in modkill. Assuming he will follow through with it, I am voting someone else right now, because I won't be at my computer until an hour before the voting ends. And we all know how a last minute vote looks =3 | ||
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On October 22 2010 12:45 KhrisKruel wrote: If orgolove died from poison, that means Glasse is 100% lying. I guess I know who I'm voting for day 5 How come? Not questioning you, just want to understand your reasoning. I assume I missed something. | ||
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So who are our best bets for vampires? If we look at the Day 2 lynch votes on Veldril, I believe that we will have a high chance of hitting a vamp, as explained in previous posts (I don't remember who it was =X ) (42) Veldril: KhrisKruel, Therick, Yogy, (Bill Murray, Glurio), SouthRawrea, l0st_romantic, BrownBear, Artanis[Xp], Node, annul, AirbladeOrange, Coagulation, aztrorisk, YummyBlaBla, jodogohoo, Kenpachi, Neos, spydR, CubedIn, Iankill, seRapH, kitaman27, Thegilaboy, jcarlsoniv, Aeres, Lucktar, Pandain, HeavOnEarth, MetalFace, Flicky, orgolove, KtheZ, kingjames01, (LastArgument, XeliN), grandmoose, Lexpar, QuickStriker, Hittegods, Shmotz, ghrur, SiNiquity, TheMunkey Ones that have not been flipped: KhrisKruel, Node, annul, AirbladeOrange, sypdR, kitaman27, jcarlsoniv, Flicky, KtheZ, QuickStriker, ghrur, SiNiquity I believe that spydR would be a good lynch target, based on the clue that annul pointed out. He has my vote. | ||
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On October 27 2010 11:44 ghrur wrote: Analyze my posts. I'm town. I've been advocating for lynches of vamps/mafia this whole time through, and I've written up 4 analyses on people's posting behaviors with suspicions on Metalface, Gilaboy, and Heavonearth. Also, trust, and the fact that I told Mafia I'd PROVE it to them in PM. I trust that you're town, however, I'm more worried about vamps false claiming to you as mafia. Be careful. | ||
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Sure we could take the safer route, but what's the fun with that? The opportunity to take a win right now is here, so why not jump on it? It won't cause a definite loss, only increases the chance of a loss tonight if we lynch him today. | ||
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