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On October 12 2010 13:26 Coagulation wrote:
orgo may be a red trying to run a campaign of disinformation.
im not saying he is.. im just saying its possible.
Yes, this is of course possible. However, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he is providing something that will potentially help the town. I have been helping him gather some information as well, and I have been looking through the information that is there.
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Off to bed for me, I shall see you all after my Calc 3 class in the morning!
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On October 12 2010 14:45 jodogohoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 14:43 youngminii wrote:
yeah jodogohoo post constructively god <3
Gooooooooood Morning!
I am going to keep an eye on this little post. Jodogohoo has been spamming the entire game. I have told him off, as well as many others. However, in this post, it can be read as a sarcastic little smack by a teammate (I know, sarcasm over internet = bad). The "<3" only reinforces this feeling. Sure, it could be a guy who feels bad about spamming. OR, it could be a subtle teammate interaction slip up. I didn't catch it at first, because it just looked like more spam within the few pages of utter worthlessness, but I think it could point to something.
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On October 12 2010 22:42 CubEdIn wrote:
I don't get this bandwaggoning that's going on.
WHY is Veldril more important than Masq? We are only voting for him BECAUSE he tried to defend Masq, so if we're voting for him, then we just assume that Masq is also M/V. Correct?
So why not be methodical about it, and start with Masq? If he proves to be a Mafia/Vamp, then we'll know for sure that so is Veldril. If not, then our whole premise was wrong and we should rethink our steps.
How is this an issue? WHY VELDRIL FIRST?
I don't get the reasoning here.
I am not condemning Veldril only because he defended Masq. That was what led into it. His actions afterwards are what convinced me that he should be lynched. He started "chainsaw defending", pointing fingers elsewhere, but not aggressively. He was doing it rather passively, trying to just slip out of view and get the attention somewhere else. When someone created an argument, he conceded very very easily, which I see as an attempt to make fewer enemies. His posts made it seem like he was trying to prove innocence, which is not necessarily something a townie would feel the need to do as much.
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Hmm...my take on possible Blue options tonight:
Ghost: I would say ghosts could protect those who have been most outspoken towards voting a certain way. If the lynchee ends up being M/V, that side could be vengeful and want to take out whoever pushed for the lynching. This could be myself/Bill Murray for Veldril, or even Cubedin and others for Masq. Also, orgolove could be in danger because he is providing a database of observations for the town.
Detective: I would like to find out orgolove's or jodogohoo's affiliation. While orgo has been supposedly helpful to the town, it doesn't shake the fact that his intentions could be malicious. Jodo has been disruptive the entire time, and has changed his vote many times already. Also, as I stated in one of my last posts, I find this interaction somewhat suspicious:
On October 12 2010 21:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 14:45 jodogohoo wrote:On October 12 2010 14:43 youngminii wrote:
yeah jodogohoo post constructively god <3 Gooooooooood Morning! I am going to keep an eye on this little post. Jodogohoo has been spamming the entire game. I have told him off, as well as many others. However, in this post, it can be read as a sarcastic little smack by a teammate (I know, sarcasm over internet = bad). The "<3" only reinforces this feeling. Sure, it could be a guy who feels bad about spamming. OR, it could be a subtle teammate interaction slip up. I didn't catch it at first, because it just looked like more spam within the few pages of utter worthlessness, but I think it could point to something.
Boogeyman: I would say, depending on who gets lynched (Masq/Veldril) we could spy in the closet of the other. This could open a bit of insight. However, it does open a bit of vulnerability to the Brute, so other options should also be looked at,
Mad Scientist: I'm not sure how this should be used. Whoever is the scientist should look at the clues and see if there is anything that they can link to people other than Masq/Veldril so we could possible gather more information.
Jack O'Lantern: It seems Pandain is handling the suggestions on this, so I'll let him take it.
Information is going to be our greatest asset going into Day 2, so anything we can gather on Night 1 will be good for the town.
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What does everyone think about my suggestions for Blue uses?
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 00:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:Hmm...my take on possible Blue options tonight: Ghost: I would say ghosts could protect those who have been most outspoken towards voting a certain way. If the lynchee ends up being M/V, that side could be vengeful and want to take out whoever pushed for the lynching. This could be myself/Bill Murray for Veldril, or even Cubedin and others for Masq. Also, orgolove could be in danger because he is providing a database of observations for the town. Detective: I would like to find out orgolove's or jodogohoo's affiliation. While orgo has been supposedly helpful to the town, it doesn't shake the fact that his intentions could be malicious. Jodo has been disruptive the entire time, and has changed his vote many times already. Also, as I stated in one of my last posts, I find this interaction somewhat suspicious: Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 21:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 12 2010 14:45 jodogohoo wrote:On October 12 2010 14:43 youngminii wrote:
yeah jodogohoo post constructively god <3 Gooooooooood Morning! I am going to keep an eye on this little post. Jodogohoo has been spamming the entire game. I have told him off, as well as many others. However, in this post, it can be read as a sarcastic little smack by a teammate (I know, sarcasm over internet = bad). The "<3" only reinforces this feeling. Sure, it could be a guy who feels bad about spamming. OR, it could be a subtle teammate interaction slip up. I didn't catch it at first, because it just looked like more spam within the few pages of utter worthlessness, but I think it could point to something. Boogeyman: I would say, depending on who gets lynched (Masq/Veldril) we could spy in the closet of the other. This could open a bit of insight. However, it does open a bit of vulnerability to the Brute, so other options should also be looked at, Mad Scientist: I'm not sure how this should be used. Whoever is the scientist should look at the clues and see if there is anything that they can link to people other than Masq/Veldril so we could possible gather more information. Jack O'Lantern: It seems Pandain is handling the suggestions on this, so I'll let him take it. Information is going to be our greatest asset going into Day 2, so anything we can gather on Night 1 will be good for the town.
I think it would be good to have more discussion on it to gain more insight on town opinions.
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On October 13 2010 02:10 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 01:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:What does everyone think about my suggestions for Blue uses? + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 00:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:Hmm...my take on possible Blue options tonight: Ghost: I would say ghosts could protect those who have been most outspoken towards voting a certain way. If the lynchee ends up being M/V, that side could be vengeful and want to take out whoever pushed for the lynching. This could be myself/Bill Murray for Veldril, or even Cubedin and others for Masq. Also, orgolove could be in danger because he is providing a database of observations for the town. Detective: I would like to find out orgolove's or jodogohoo's affiliation. While orgo has been supposedly helpful to the town, it doesn't shake the fact that his intentions could be malicious. Jodo has been disruptive the entire time, and has changed his vote many times already. Also, as I stated in one of my last posts, I find this interaction somewhat suspicious: Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 21:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 12 2010 14:45 jodogohoo wrote:On October 12 2010 14:43 youngminii wrote:
yeah jodogohoo post constructively god <3 Gooooooooood Morning! I am going to keep an eye on this little post. Jodogohoo has been spamming the entire game. I have told him off, as well as many others. However, in this post, it can be read as a sarcastic little smack by a teammate (I know, sarcasm over internet = bad). The "<3" only reinforces this feeling. Sure, it could be a guy who feels bad about spamming. OR, it could be a subtle teammate interaction slip up. I didn't catch it at first, because it just looked like more spam within the few pages of utter worthlessness, but I think it could point to something. Boogeyman: I would say, depending on who gets lynched (Masq/Veldril) we could spy in the closet of the other. This could open a bit of insight. However, it does open a bit of vulnerability to the Brute, so other options should also be looked at, Mad Scientist: I'm not sure how this should be used. Whoever is the scientist should look at the clues and see if there is anything that they can link to people other than Masq/Veldril so we could possible gather more information. Jack O'Lantern: It seems Pandain is handling the suggestions on this, so I'll let him take it. Information is going to be our greatest asset going into Day 2, so anything we can gather on Night 1 will be good for the town. I think it would be good to have more discussion on it to gain more insight on town opinions. Overall, seems like a sound plan. However, I don't think that the Brute is such a problem this early in the game. I mean, from my understanding, the Brute is more of a trump card later on, when all three populations have been thinned out a bit. Since Masq and Veldril are both the primary targets today, I doubt the Brute would be necessary for either of them, since one of them is dying tonight regardless, and lynching or an alternate kill method would do the job for the other more efficiently. I don't think the Vampires would waste such a powerful tool on either of them... and there's always the possibility that one or both of them are Vampires too (sucks for them = /), in which case the Brute's not going after them. Also, I confess I don't really understand why oroglove is being suspected of wrongdoing. He said himself that he'd do his best to remedy mistakes in the spreadsheet, and such a document is a huge asset to the townspeople. Am I missing something as to why he's being accused of malice? Not taking sides or anything, I'm just genuinely confused.
I don't think the Brute is much of a threat so early either, but that doesn't mean we should ignore it as a threat.
I'm not necessarily accusing orgo. His database is a good tool for the town. But it is dangerous leaving someone with that much pull/influence unchecked, regardless if he is friendly or enemy. I'm not trying to accuse him. I just want people to be aware of the possibility. Finding out his affiliation sooner rather than later, I believe, will be beneficial. If we find out he is green, then hooray, we can trust his database with very little worry. If we find out he's red, then immediately, Day 2, it is one less thing the town has to look at and worry about.
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It is very difficult to make a plan as a town with the amount of information that we have right now. Nobody trusts anybody, and nobody (aside from the reds) know others' affiliations. Which is why we need to have some discussion in the closing hours of the day. We need to coordinate more than we have been, and see if things are going the direction we want them to.
After Night 1, hopefully we will learn more and be able to get more of a plan going.
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I have been thinking about this a lot (I injured my ankle, so all I have to do is lay here and read the thread).
I think that taking out Masq first will be the smarter route. The chance to learn information is greater lynching him than it would be lynching Veldril. Cubedin has expressed this many times in his posts, and I have to say that I agree with him. Do I think Veldril should be forgotten? Absolutely not. I think we will learn more about Veldril by lynching Masq than we would about Masq by lynching Veldril.
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I feel ba for those that didn't get access. They have a lot of catch up to do.
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I would advise ghosts to not protect Pandain. He has been somewhat fishy to me lately, and I'm not sure it would be a good protection. He has been claiming and important role in the game, and then demanding a ghost, much as BM has done. If one thing, it will sure reduce an amount of flaming in the thread.
Obviously, it is your choice, though.
I would like a detective to look into orgolove/BM/Pandain, because I think they are three very important players that need to be checked out.
Other suspicious people inclue jodogohoo, youngminii, and aztrorisk.
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On October 13 2010 13:44 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 13:42 NB wrote:
i like the idea of not stacking ghost: each of you tail a New Player and hold on to them tonight. The chance of 1 of the new players being killed is almost 0% exactly, why would you want to waste it. Medics want to protect people. Vampire brute will in all liklihood not be used. However, just to be sure I'm asking DT NOT to check me this night, prefferably next night or after.
I agree with you here Pandain.
The new players probably won't be killed. So, if a ghost protects them, it would just be a wasted blue. The chances of the brute being used tonight are slim, but who knows? The brute will be more powerful when it can take out a higher percentage of the players. Now, it WOULD suck if the ghosts stacked, but only because that's one less person who will be protected. But I do not fear the brute too much tonight.
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Aztro, you need to stop. You are spamming quite a bit, and not adding anything to the discussion.
You are on my shit list, along with some others, and the clutter that has entered this thread recently is just ridiculous.
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I'm heading to bed, all. I'd really appreciate if, when I woke up, I had something other than spam and flaming to read. Let's try to have some constructive discussions! =)
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Yay! So glad to see some productive discussion in the thread.
So, by lynching Masq, we learned one of two things:
1. Veldril is his teammate and was trying to protect him. We lynch Veldril.
2. Veldril is just an idiot and got the attention of the town with his sketchy posting. We could still lynch Veldril and I don't think there would be too much harm, assuming he's not a blue.
The way I see it, we have room for one bad lynch right now, because a first day scum kill almost never happens. We have a little leeway. That being said, I don't think we should waste a lynch.
Veldril should be watched and not forgotten, but the downside is, if we kill Veldril, we won't really have much more to go on (ceteris paribus). We have some clues that Veldril is scum, so that should be kept in our minds. However, depending on what we learn from Night 1, the discussion on Day 2 could reveal a much higher priority target.
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EBWOP: didn't mean to say Veldril insane idiot, meant to say he posted like one.
Sowwy =X
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Orgolove, your argument against Coag holds no weight.
This is my very first time playing Mafia ever, not just online. I read a couple of guides briefly, and it is very easy to pick up on the "jargon" as you call it. I have been a very frequent poster in this thread - maybe not as much as coag, but I'm trying to make sure my posts hold content, and aren't just spam.
I do not trust you Mr. Spreadsheet Sir, not one bit.
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On October 14 2010 13:04 aztrorisk wrote:
Goodbye World:
My final remarks when I die:
I apologize to my fellow townsmen that I was such a bad player. As a result, I depart.
Stop being a martyr. If you would like, volunteer yourself for the lynch =P
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You can almost hear all the F5s being clicked...
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EPT
