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On September 09 2010 08:39 Incognito wrote:I would like to comment on Village Idiot. The last game it existed, all it did was disrupt the town and that's it. I think the role should actually have strategic impact on the game. One change I would suggest is that lynching the Village Idiot ends the game immediately with a Village Idiot win. That's right. No chance for mafia or town to win anymore. While this may seem volatile and could easily ruin a large 50 player game where people put countless hours into behavior analysis, this is a much smaller game. And lets face it, people don't pour hours into behavior analysis like they used to in the past. A little fun and games along with serious consequences for lynching the village idiot might actually get people to analyze more. It also makes the village idiot think seriously about his role. Otherwise its kinda like a "bummer" role where you have no incentive to play the game other than some mild bragging rights if you succeed. Ending the game after the village idiot's death gives them a LOT more bragging rights and forces people to think
As someone who has played this role, I completely agree with it. VI isn't fun to play unless you add this factor in.
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On September 09 2010 09:48 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 09:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On September 09 2010 08:39 Incognito wrote:I would like to comment on Village Idiot. The last game it existed, all it did was disrupt the town and that's it. I think the role should actually have strategic impact on the game. One change I would suggest is that lynching the Village Idiot ends the game immediately with a Village Idiot win. That's right. No chance for mafia or town to win anymore. While this may seem volatile and could easily ruin a large 50 player game where people put countless hours into behavior analysis, this is a much smaller game. And lets face it, people don't pour hours into behavior analysis like they used to in the past. A little fun and games along with serious consequences for lynching the village idiot might actually get people to analyze more. It also makes the village idiot think seriously about his role. Otherwise its kinda like a "bummer" role where you have no incentive to play the game other than some mild bragging rights if you succeed. Ending the game after the village idiot's death gives them a LOT more bragging rights and forces people to think As someone who has played this role, I completely agree with it. VI isn't fun to play unless you add this factor in. What ? i dont recall you getting this role? I thought it was RoL and I thought we've only used the role once.
RoL had it, then he faked being jack and someone randomly picked out ace as mafia (ace was gf) and ace ragequit. Caller immediately reran game and I got VI. I faked insane dt and got myself lynched lol.
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Hesmyrr just got lawyered
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Just caught up on this mess, and really? You guys just killed flamewheel off of this?
My fucking god. This bodes terribly.
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Ok Medics, here is how the game should be played tonight.
Make a list of people you think are innocent. Now, it has to be a list of a few people. ANALYZE them every day to make sure they don't change from town to scummy in your eyes, and prot them, non stop or until we have a better idea. If anyone who pushed for flamewheels lynch is on your list, slap yourself really hard and remake your list.
As for the rest of the town. Take the time now to either look at the name above or below you in the list, and look over their posts and analyze them. Post that analysis in thread for debate. Lets get us some targets. Hell after this day there is a ton of crap to look through.
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On October 06 2010 14:16 fIamewheel91 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 14:05 SiNiquity wrote:On October 06 2010 14:04 fIamewheel91 wrote: Stop. Fucking. Spamming. God, every single time. Something about a hellspawn and being quiet. I'm not in this game, good sir.
you died twice in one game, new record sir.
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a smurf is still a smurf jerk
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On October 06 2010 14:29 Bill Murray wrote: if we had no lynching i would have pushed for that tbh i am still proud that i found an anti-town player on day 1 it shows my radar is correct as to who is not helping us
You knew who his smurf was, and had more than 1 game to analyze his play from both sides of the table. He was obviously not red as he knows better to get flagged by day 1 on radars like that. The next obvious choice would be dt check him night 2, or have a vig hit him at night to be safe. In a game where someone is aiming to get lynched you have to take their skill into effect.
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On October 06 2010 14:58 Bill Murray wrote: what is scumhunting? Finding anti-town roles he was an anti-town role, he played EXACTLY like he does when he has an anti-town role. I scumhunted well. Sorry you're jealous.
Yes, analyzing someone who wanted to get lynched was well done. Had it been anyday but day 1 apparently you would have lost the game, bravo, I am obviously jealous of such talent.
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On October 07 2010 10:26 kane]deth[ wrote: I have no idea what to do once again. The more I try to find suspicious people, the more I think everyone is suspicious. I suppose I'll just keep reading and see if anyone really jumps out at me ._.
I am pretty sure you were replaced by rebirth of legend
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On October 07 2010 12:54 infinitestory wrote: Here's hoping blues (DT(s) especially) sent in their night actions, so we can get something more concrete to work with soon.
all i have to say is ......
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Wait? I sub into a game and after a singular night, our returning champion BM, the king among morons comes in proclaiming "hi guys, I wont claim my role but im town, lynch this guy hes red". Guess what, he just pulled this crap on flamewheel, and flame flipped VI.
before you try to say "NUH UH"
On October 07 2010 13:58 Bill Murray wrote: lets have an open roleclaim. BC, you first. I'm town, but I'm not saying what at this point people can say "no, we shouldn't roleclaim, it is way too early". I just want people to claim town/townie, not what role they are.
If I was mafia, I wouldn't have the balls to say this. This is too obvious to be the play of mafia. Lynch BC if I get mislynched. If he flips red, look at ~OpZ~ and DoctorH. If you all want to win, listen to me.
Claim. I'm claiming town. We need to consolidate through claims. Trust me on this one, and we will have a good game.
You then auto finger other known mafia players, who arguably have more experience than most of the town at this point, keeping in mind you knew flamewheels smurf, and then failed to inform anyone (even after he said it was fine to) you got him lynched. You are obviously aiming to off people who might be able to fight your ability to spam a thread with meaningless shite.
Everyone, just listen to simple facts.
BM is refusing to claim his role (other than town aligned, but softclaimed blue) He is pointing fingers left and right at players without actually bringing posts into the mix as to why he believes they are red He so vigorously pushed the lynch that should have ended the game HE then bitched and moaned to have the game restarted as he didn't want to play a game where he knew anyone with experience behind them would push for people to a) lynch him or b) ignore him for the rest of the game
Everyone should keep in mind that when bm is town he is horrifically useless and just ends up helping the mafia.
Just ignore him and lets move onto reasonable targets for the day
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On October 07 2010 13:35 Bill Murray wrote:This shows to me that the person who is putting the hits in sucks at blue sniping. Let me decide who is high tier enough to call the shots yet not hit a blue. 1. LSB 2. bumatlarge townie 3. Bill Murray 4. Pandain 5. SouthRawrea 6. Amber[LighT] 7. Infundibulum 8. Divinek 9. Misder 10.SINiquity 11.XeliN 12.RebirthOfLegend 13.~OpZ~ 14.DoctorHelvetica 15.infinitestory 16.cSc ->17. Happy.fairytail BloodyC0bbler <-18.NukeTheBunnys 19.Crisis_ 20.drag_ 21.CynanMachae 22.meeple 23.kingjames01 24.ghrur Doing an iso on slot 17Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 14:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok Medics, here is how the game should be played tonight.
Make a list of people you think are innocent. Now, it has to be a list of a few people. ANALYZE them every day to make sure they don't change from town to scummy in your eyes, and prot them, non stop or until we have a better idea. If anyone who pushed for flamewheels lynch is on your list, slap yourself really hard and remake your list.
As for the rest of the town. Take the time now to either look at the name above or below you in the list, and look over their posts and analyze them. Post that analysis in thread for debate. Lets get us some targets. Hell after this day there is a ton of crap to look through. I have viewed this post as gloating, and rolefishing. Why would BloodyC0bbler have reason to be fishing for a medic? Consider the fact that Happy.Fairytale was spouting babble about the DT, and I am very happy voting to lynch slot 17 which was Happy.Fairytale and is now BloodyC0bbler. Posts 234/235 by Happy.Fairytale were posts to fake being useful to the town Post 255 is him fishing for Detectives through number "analysis" Post 257 by Happy.Fairytale: Please read this + Show Spoiler +On October 05 2010 23:19 Happy.fairytail wrote: Yeah, I'm pretty concerned that we could potentially have 8 mod deaths by the end of today. (Not worried about Bill Murray and Cynan, it seems they're around and will post in time)
Also, in terms of accusations, I think we should start now. We only have 14 hours before the day ends, so we should give a few hours to accusations, a few hours to defending, a few hours to some townsperson deliberation, and a few hours to vote.
So inactives, now is the time for you guys to start speaking up. I'm going to point out JeeJee just 'cuz he's at the top of the inactive list, and I know he's around because I just checked his post history and his last post was 10 hrs ago (13:09 TL time). So speak up man. This shows that he is just talking for the sake of talking. This makes the second time in a row he has posted right after his original post. If he was town, he would only need one really lengthy post, or a string of spam. I believe he is putting on a false face. I hope that you all will be convinced of Happy.Fairytale/BloodyC0bbler (remember, they're the same person as the slot) being scum. BC's play is a LOT weaker as scum based upon meta, and his play this game is so weak I wasn't even sure he was even IN the game. Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 21:21 Happy.fairytail wrote: shoot, I didn't vote last night ... worked all night yesterday and fell asleep with the lights on and everything. am I mod killed? =T (gonna read the last 12 pages of posts now) Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 21:56 Happy.fairytail wrote: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I had all this analysis done on this awesome spreadsheet, setting up profiles of every single person ... arghhhhhhhhhhhhfahsofuiaw8efu9anh7q23984nvpauilfjvo;uw3avn78o3nvr8oPA*OVRNA@NV These two things are nearly an open contradiction. "I haven't read 12 pages" followed immediately by 35 minutes and then "I had all this analysis done on this awesome spreadsheet". BULLSHIT. Lynch BloodyC0bbler.
Wait lawl?
Your case against me personally is I gave real advice that needed to be said to ALL OF THE NEW BLOOD as a scum tell? Then proceed to make up some random nonsense reason that only I am top tier enough to not hit a blue? Seriously? Go look at my track record dude, pretty well every game I have actively played while been red has led to almost consistant blue hits every single night of gameplay.
But hey, lets not bring actual facts into an argument, lets just bullshit your way through a game,
Hell even your contradiction is laughable. He had how much actual time to do what he said he had done minus 12 hours. Creating a spreadsheet/worddoc with information is becoming common place, and insanely useful. You start it typically day 1, and add/alter information as the game progress'
This is a desperate attempt to save yourself, and your clinging at straws.
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On October 07 2010 14:44 Bill Murray wrote: "your" a terrible player when you are red, and very weak. My case doesn't HAVE to be on you when you replace in, chief sorry you're busted. flail more.
Really? You analyzed me, then posted a quote on someones "contradiction"
Considering players often create documents of analysis early on your actual evidence is lacking. You are just doing what you did to flamewheel offering shit on a stick and trying to sell it as something else.
First time you get shit on yourself and everyone else for failing so hard, then your like "well I'm the best motherfucker around" and attempt again. If you think I'm red stop spamming the thread and build a real case.
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On October 07 2010 14:47 Bill Murray wrote: don't forget to read your role pms
You too dude, you have to relook to realize "massive troll" isn't a real role.
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On October 07 2010 14:49 Bill Murray wrote: that someone is you. Happy.Fairytale is you. Are you disputing that? you replaced into his slot. That's you. Deal with it.
I'm not going to stop spamming until you claim either a) town b) townie c) you don't claim and we lynch you to see what you'll flip
I'm town, and you already know that. I didn't disagree that I filled his slot, I do disagree with the specific reasons you weighed against me as you know damn well your lying and I will recommend any of the newer players to go check the previous games to catch you on that.
Your contradiction of hft is also laughable as your having issues with someone having time to do analysis up until they got swapped out. Who cares if he missed 12 hours? Until the last minute vote swing you did in a 4 hour period there was nothing he would have missed.
Now seriously stop spamming, you've been warned for it in previous games as well as near modkilled for it so stop it and make detailed posts.
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On October 07 2010 14:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:49 infinitestory wrote:On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote: You, too, infinitestory. I claim town. I have no idea where you could possibly be going with this. DO NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTION FOR TOWN/TOWNIE. HE IS ASKING YOU BLUE/GREENHe's trying to get out who is blue/green so mafia can blue snipe.
Except any smart green would soft claim blue to fuck with the mafia. Every VI will claim something to get lynched.
He is fishing, but he knows anyone smart won't fall for it. Hence him spamming our posts out of existence.
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On October 07 2010 14:55 ~OpZ~ wrote: Well...I need to see some more before I can really narrow anything down. It's 1:40 and I work at 8....I'm really crossing too much time as it is. But I'll look at Misder. *that post in relation to misder was me narroring for you infinite*
Also, BM, I'm not defending myself. I'M HAPPY IF SOMEONE WILL EXPLAIN WHY THEY FEEL I'M SCUMMY.
I've done asked you AND Misder to explain. Neither have provided me with ANYTHING more than POSSIBLE intuition? Oh come the fuck on.
Welcome to BM, whos intuition would have lost the town the game already if not for a host who didn't want their first game to be ruined by a retard.
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On October 07 2010 14:57 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 07 2010 14:49 infinitestory wrote:On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote: You, too, infinitestory. I claim town. I have no idea where you could possibly be going with this. DO NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTION FOR TOWN/TOWNIE. HE IS ASKING YOU BLUE/GREENHe's trying to get out who is blue/green so mafia can blue snipe. ok, here is our lynch for today opz fell right into my trap town = green in this game. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 07 2010 14:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 07 2010 14:49 infinitestory wrote:On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote: You, too, infinitestory. I claim town. I have no idea where you could possibly be going with this. DO NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTION FOR TOWN/TOWNIE. HE IS ASKING YOU BLUE/GREENHe's trying to get out who is blue/green so mafia can blue snipe. Except any smart green would soft claim blue to fuck with the mafia. Every VI will claim something to get lynched. He is fishing, but he knows anyone smart won't fall for it. Hence him spamming our posts out of existence. OH, you just fell for it TOO LOL EBWOP FOR THE WIN I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM AMAZING AT MAFIA LOL BC AND OPZ JUST GOT OWNED. From the OP: Show nested quote +Green Citizen (Town)
You are the average schmuck who makes up the backbone of the town side. You have no special powers except voting, but you are the silent majority. Enjoy that feeling for a moment. Enjoy it.
Yeah, you all know what Town does at this point. Vote by day, stay at home and wet themselves by night. GREEN = TOWN BC + OPZ DONT REALIZE BC + OPZ = MAFIA GG.
ROOOOOFL. Nice try BM. A town aligned player would be blue or green, and VI in terms of town winning with majority. Nice try though moron. You can spout "well the original PM says this" but no one would look at their role as "Hi, im a town" as then we would have multiple towns + multiple families. No, a person living in a town is a townie. Any blue who is not going to claim, an asshole red, or any other will claim town aligned, or townie, good job!
Stop trying to make something from nothing and play for real? k thanks.
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On October 07 2010 15:03 Bill Murray wrote: You failed to realize the way it was worded, and are therefore mafia. I'm glad you fell into my trap, too. I knew you were an idiot based upon your grammar, but I figured you were smarter than OpZ and wouldn't fall into it.
Lawl. Sure thing, the fact you know basic english anyone living in a town is a townie is hilarious.
Hell if you want to get technical, brownbear calls them green citizens in his OP. So we both used the wrong word, good job to us!
Stop pushing lynches off of baseless reasons.
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On October 07 2010 15:05 Bill Murray wrote: infinitestory, "town" are usually called "townies". They failed to realize this. They are mafia. I am town, you are town, DoctorH is town in all likelihood... because we all claimed "town". "Town" = Townies. The way it is worded is weird, and not normal. OpZ and BC not picking up on the way "Townie" is reworded as "Town" in this game proves they are mafia or blue. I am leaning towards mafia on BC, which is why I am voting for him.
I could also use the word citizen, town, townies. IT doesnt matter. It all means the same thing. You know this as well as I do.
With the way your behaving I seriously think your a green aiming to sabotage the game since you hate your role, a mafia doing what you do every game, or a VI. Regardless, anyone with a brain will realize your just aiming to convince the newer players who don't know better to off people who can stop you from ruining a game.
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On October 07 2010 15:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 07 2010 15:05 Bill Murray wrote: infinitestory, "town" are usually called "townies". They failed to realize this. They are mafia. I am town, you are town, DoctorH is town in all likelihood... because we all claimed "town". "Town" = Townies. The way it is worded is weird, and not normal. OpZ and BC not picking up on the way "Townie" is reworded as "Town" in this game proves they are mafia or blue. I am leaning towards mafia on BC, which is why I am voting for him. I could also use the word citizen, town, townies. IT doesnt matter. It all means the same thing. You know this as well as I do. With the way your behaving I seriously think your a green aiming to sabotage the game since you hate your role, a mafia doing what you do every game, or a VI. Regardless, anyone with a brain will realize your just aiming to convince the newer players who don't know better to off people who can stop you from ruining a game. I'm seriously considering resigning from this game because of BM's spam..... Anyway, i'm off to bed. I work in 6 hours. Night night guys.
Welcome to BM in flamewheels last game, where foolishness literally stopped posting because of two players spam. Just as in future games created by the main balance crew will include spam clauses as to avoid the shit from ruining games in the future.
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On October 07 2010 15:11 Bill Murray wrote: Just give up, bro, you're wasting your energy. Everyone who is "town " in their ROLE PM knows you are a fraud
And anyone would also realize that TOWN is the side you belong to.
Your actual role is Citizen.
So your arguing a flawed point as the point you are making IS WRONG
hell, also to argue your "YOU CAUGHT ME" point more
On October 07 2010 14:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:49 Bill Murray wrote: that someone is you. Happy.Fairytale is you. Are you disputing that? you replaced into his slot. That's you. Deal with it.
I'm not going to stop spamming until you claim either a) town b) townie c) you don't claim and we lynch you to see what you'll flip I'm town, and you already know that. I didn't disagree that I filled his slot, I do disagree with the specific reasons you weighed against me as you know damn well your lying and I will recommend any of the newer players to go check the previous games to catch you on that. Your contradiction of hft is also laughable as your having issues with someone having time to do analysis up until they got swapped out. Who cares if he missed 12 hours? Until the last minute vote swing you did in a 4 hour period there was nothing he would have missed. Now seriously stop spamming, you've been warned for it in previous games as well as near modkilled for it so stop it and make detailed posts.
Oh look, I claimed what you wanted before you called me out on calling you out on bullshit.
Stop cherry picking posts. I have refuted your nonsense at every step and now your getting desperate kid.
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On October 07 2010 15:13 Bill Murray wrote: yeah but role pm is phrased town bro bc doesnt realize that because hes red you dont realize that because you are blue and should probably claim hatter with a bomb on a mafia pick wisely, sir opz
I am arguing that you are spamming a thread and not providing actual detail. I am also proving you wrong on multiple levels, thats because I am town and would like to win the game, thanks.
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On October 07 2010 15:14 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 07 2010 15:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 07 2010 15:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 07 2010 15:05 Bill Murray wrote: infinitestory, "town" are usually called "townies". They failed to realize this. They are mafia. I am town, you are town, DoctorH is town in all likelihood... because we all claimed "town". "Town" = Townies. The way it is worded is weird, and not normal. OpZ and BC not picking up on the way "Townie" is reworded as "Town" in this game proves they are mafia or blue. I am leaning towards mafia on BC, which is why I am voting for him. I could also use the word citizen, town, townies. IT doesnt matter. It all means the same thing. You know this as well as I do. With the way your behaving I seriously think your a green aiming to sabotage the game since you hate your role, a mafia doing what you do every game, or a VI. Regardless, anyone with a brain will realize your just aiming to convince the newer players who don't know better to off people who can stop you from ruining a game. I'm seriously considering resigning from this game because of BM's spam..... Anyway, i'm off to bed. I work in 6 hours. Night night guys. Welcome to BM in flamewheels last game, where foolishness literally stopped posting because of two players spam. Just as in future games created by the main balance crew will include spam clauses as to avoid the shit from ruining games in the future. Sir, I'm no saint. I feel spam should be allowed. But to this extent? I think he got 6 to 7 posts in a row by himself. If it was a consolidation issue, I could be completely forgiving to him. But this isn't that either. Taking away the mafia's ability to spam up over a good post would be wrong, but to allow this ridiculous shit? Fuck that.
eh? there is a major difference between spamming a post to be ignored, and making 7 posts in a row that are one liners that offer no real substance -_-
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On October 07 2010 15:44 Bill Murray wrote: Well, BC and OpZ still don't realize the townie pm is phrased "Town" not citizen not townie Town.
They don't realize this. Why would they not realize that?
@Drag_ I am green, and on the side of good. Do not question me, bro.
You just lied again
[quote]Green Citizen (Town)
You are the average schmuck who makes up the backbone of the town side. You have no special powers except voting, but you are the silent majority. Enjoy that feeling for a moment. Enjoy it.
Yeah, you all know what Town does at this point. Vote by day, stay at home and wet themselves by night.
I am heading to bed now, but seriously dude? Your evidence just got thrown in your face. Give it up and stop repeating the same thing over and over. You were wrong then, and your wrong now, deal with it.[/b]
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On October 07 2010 15:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:EBWOP Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:44 Bill Murray wrote: Well, BC and OpZ still don't realize the townie pm is phrased "Town" not citizen not townie Town.
They don't realize this. Why would they not realize that?
@Drag_ I am green, and on the side of good. Do not question me, bro. You just lied again Show nested quote +Green Citizen (Town)
You are the average schmuck who makes up the backbone of the town side. You have no special powers except voting, but you are the silent majority. Enjoy that feeling for a moment. Enjoy it.
Yeah, you all know what Town does at this point. Vote by day, stay at home and wet themselves by night.
I am heading to bed now, but seriously dude? Your evidence just got thrown in your face. Give it up and stop repeating the same thing over and over. You were wrong then, and your wrong now, deal with it.
Added in proper formatting.
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On October 07 2010 16:47 XeliN wrote: In fact it's not even "my take" it's blatantly what he actually means as he frequently say's
"go back and look at your role PM, then tell me Town//Townie"
Him being established town (here's where "my take" is appropriate, you can make up your own minds!) doesn't mean he is correct in calling for bloody's lynch, but I'm going to need to go over the thread more purely with that in mind. OpZ is also suspect to me, along with BC, for missing Bill's intention which was quite blatant, although ofc if they were mafia they would miss it as their role PM would not make his intention blatant.
Hey go read the thread, but hell Ill even quote my post that fucked BM's entire argument over about me
On October 07 2010 15:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:11 Bill Murray wrote: Just give up, bro, you're wasting your energy. Everyone who is "town " in their ROLE PM knows you are a fraud And anyone would also realize that TOWN is the side you belong to. Your actual role is Citizen. So your arguing a flawed point as the point you are making IS WRONG hell, also to argue your "YOU CAUGHT ME" point more Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 07 2010 14:49 Bill Murray wrote: that someone is you. Happy.Fairytale is you. Are you disputing that? you replaced into his slot. That's you. Deal with it.
I'm not going to stop spamming until you claim either a) town b) townie c) you don't claim and we lynch you to see what you'll flip I'm town, and you already know that. I didn't disagree that I filled his slot, I do disagree with the specific reasons you weighed against me as you know damn well your lying and I will recommend any of the newer players to go check the previous games to catch you on that. Your contradiction of hft is also laughable as your having issues with someone having time to do analysis up until they got swapped out. Who cares if he missed 12 hours? Until the last minute vote swing you did in a 4 hour period there was nothing he would have missed. Now seriously stop spamming, you've been warned for it in previous games as well as near modkilled for it so stop it and make detailed posts. Oh look, I claimed what you wanted before you called me out on calling you out on bullshit. Stop cherry picking posts. I have refuted your nonsense at every step and now your getting desperate kid.
second nested quote, bolded text and youll see I said Town. This was before I argued with bill. As I said, to him and I'll say to you, stop cherry picking posts. You know exactly what Bill was attempting to do, and are agreeing with his logic that got shot to pieces by two people already.
I have already refuted BM's post above me, as well as all of the crap associated with it.
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On October 08 2010 04:22 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 22:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 07 2010 16:47 XeliN wrote: In fact it's not even "my take" it's blatantly what he actually means as he frequently say's
"go back and look at your role PM, then tell me Town//Townie"
Him being established town (here's where "my take" is appropriate, you can make up your own minds!) doesn't mean he is correct in calling for bloody's lynch, but I'm going to need to go over the thread more purely with that in mind. OpZ is also suspect to me, along with BC, for missing Bill's intention which was quite blatant, although ofc if they were mafia they would miss it as their role PM would not make his intention blatant. Hey go read the thread, but hell Ill even quote my post that fucked BM's entire argument over about me On October 07 2010 15:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 07 2010 15:11 Bill Murray wrote: Just give up, bro, you're wasting your energy. Everyone who is "town " in their ROLE PM knows you are a fraud And anyone would also realize that TOWN is the side you belong to. Your actual role is Citizen. So your arguing a flawed point as the point you are making IS WRONG hell, also to argue your "YOU CAUGHT ME" point more On October 07 2010 14:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 07 2010 14:49 Bill Murray wrote: that someone is you. Happy.Fairytale is you. Are you disputing that? you replaced into his slot. That's you. Deal with it.
I'm not going to stop spamming until you claim either a) town b) townie c) you don't claim and we lynch you to see what you'll flip I'm town, and you already know that. I didn't disagree that I filled his slot, I do disagree with the specific reasons you weighed against me as you know damn well your lying and I will recommend any of the newer players to go check the previous games to catch you on that. Your contradiction of hft is also laughable as your having issues with someone having time to do analysis up until they got swapped out. Who cares if he missed 12 hours? Until the last minute vote swing you did in a 4 hour period there was nothing he would have missed. Now seriously stop spamming, you've been warned for it in previous games as well as near modkilled for it so stop it and make detailed posts. Oh look, I claimed what you wanted before you called me out on calling you out on bullshit. Stop cherry picking posts. I have refuted your nonsense at every step and now your getting desperate kid. second nested quote, bolded text and youll see I said Town. This was before I argued with bill. As I said, to him and I'll say to you, stop cherry picking posts. You know exactly what Bill was attempting to do, and are agreeing with his logic that got shot to pieces by two people already. I have already refuted BM's post above me, as well as all of the crap associated with it. Actually, this is a blatant lie that's not what he meant at all he was saying "town" as a whole. He is fucking mafia, because he is slow in the head, and it took him like 3 pages to realize my trap
Rofl.
Quit it dude. Your now arguing the same points everyone was arguing against you when you said we were wrong. Going after me for this shows a level of hypocrisy that I figured even you would avoid.
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On October 08 2010 12:15 SiNiquity wrote:Disclaimer: This post is does not in any way encourage additional posting of PM or PM related information, nor do I wish to further the discussion of the PMs themselves. This post contains full disclosure of BM's method to further discourage any claiming. However, the prior claims are here to stay, for better or for worse. There's nothing that can be done, yet they've altered the meta game and as such cannot be ignored. Alternatively a host could simply come out and confirm that the PM messages were different dependent on host, alleviating us of this meta-game aspect entirely. But if not, then the information's there, and should be taken full advantage of by the townies.Now, in short, for those that don't feel like reading the spam starting from page 29 and going really until about page 35, Bill Murray demanded players to roleclaim, but emphasized players should carefully reread their PMs before claiming. It was actually very clever, as there was an underlying secret that only town players would recognize: town players were not PM'ed the word "town" but rather "townie" as their role. XeliN sums this up nicely: Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 16:42 XeliN wrote: My take on the whole "Town//Townie" questioning. It seems quite clear to me that the distinction Bill is trying to highlight here is not whether someone is Green or Blue, but on what a Town player was actually PM'd in their role. Seems a little bit shady as a strategy although nonetheless quite effective as I'm now fairly sure he is legitimately Town. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 16:47 XeliN wrote: In fact it's not even "my take" it's blatantly what he actually means as he frequently say's
"go back and look at your role PM, then tell me Town//Townie"
Him being established town (here's where "my take" is appropriate, you can make up your own minds!) doesn't mean he is correct in calling for bloody's lynch, but I'm going to need to go over the thread more purely with that in mind. OpZ is also suspect to me, along with BC, for missing Bill's intention which was quite blatant, although ofc if they were mafia they would miss it as their role PM would not make his intention blatant. Ironically, Bill, either in a burst of genius or insanity, incessantly insisted the correct answer was "town." And, best of yet, some people fell for it: Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: town
but i'm more confused by your plan than anything Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:49 infinitestory wrote:On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote: You, too, infinitestory. I claim town.I have no idea where you could possibly be going with this. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I'm town, and you already know that. (Note: BC is especially guilty in this regard, as he kept referring to the town post in the OP as his point of reference). In fact the only player that correctly roleclaimed as far as I can surmise is OpZ: Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: Really? my role PM says townie. It was also sent by Artanis. Was yours sent by Artanis? -_- Even now Bill maintains "town" is the correct answer, and his vigilance for this charade is admirable yet simultaneously disturbing on some deeper level. However, props to him for maintaining it for so long (I'd certainly be convinced). Now there is the caveat that there were different wording in the PMs based on the host. Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 05:41 BrownBear wrote: Both Artanis and I sent out role PMs, to make our workload easier. As such, take the following conclusions with a grain of salt: Confirmed players from my perspective: - Bill Murray
- ~OpZ~
- XeliN (maybe, first one to put 2-2 together but never identified "townie" as the correct solution).
Suspect players from my perspective: - BloodyC0bbler (claimed "town")
- DoctorHelvetica (claimed "town")
- infinitestory (claimed "town")
- Divinek (just didn't get it, went off on XeliN)
- Amber[LighT] (just didn't get it, went off on XeliN)
- Nuke (just didn't get it)
Still need to look at the votes over the past day to see if there's anything worthwhile there. But I'm certainly curious as to what one of the "town" players will flip ~ if town, then there's possibly a host discrepancy. If not, then this only confirms my suspicions. It's the strongest lead we've got and I see no reason not to pursue it. Anyway I'm off to bed to mull this over.
Your Disclaimer should also read your an idiot. Go re-read the spam you told everyone to ignore and realize BM was arguing the pm's said "town" not Townie.
As you failed to read a thread in its entirety, then re interpreted someones entire theory to push for peoples lynch. Hell you are fingering players your comrade BM cleared. I am amazed. For you to get his master plan so precisely only to come to drastically different conclusions, I am amazed good sir.
I am however intrigued how you come out of complete inactivity, defend not only bm, but xelin as well. Are the mafia really playing so badly as to so obviously link together, or are the three of you combined just bad?
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Yay analysis time. I am leaving the obvious moron BM out of this as well, we all have determined he is retarded, so lets move on.
First off I will be analyzing Xelin.
I am opting to analyze him primarily because he stood out for his massive screw up by following BM.
Now your going to ask, “but why xelin?” I will tell you why. I have been on a mafia team with xelin before. As such I know his play well enough at this point to know he’s not playing town. His general mafia style is sit back and wait, posting the bare minimum to stay off peoples radar’s and only appearing under a few situations. -Defend himself -Making random useless post to appear active -Jump on board ideas of his teammates, or people who are playing badly yet most people believe are town.
Lets give you a brief summary of Xelin’s history this game.
-Signed up -Didn’t post, nor vote day 1 -Came back with the excuse
*im abit drunk and jump posted because i had mod warnings. just saw the nights ended, but im sure the lynch is about as useful and thoughtout as any lynch at this stage is going to be (not at all)
He openly admits he only posted due to mod warnings. Shows a complete disregard to the game and genuine lack of caring. He then reappears to defend himself against posts that insinuated he wasn’t modkilled because he had a role (this could be true or not). However the only real action to this lack of modkilling was he should be RC’d to verify his role. He then defended himself from being RC’d?
He then drops back into inactive land until reappearing to support BM instantly and push the lynch of two of BM’s targets. Now, Xelin has worked with both myself and Opz in previous games, he knows that between the three of us every blue role in a game was coordinated into one unit and the mafia was quickly killed. Factor in his normal mafia playstyle this fits in perfectly.
He keeps up his defense of BM’s strategy until he, much like bm, had the logic shot down by the town. Now backed into a corner he responds with
On October 08 2010 06:56 XeliN wrote: Ok I was going to try to write a large response post to some of the things people have said about me, but I'm finding it difficult currently due to the ambiguity of the assertions, there have been some statements such as "sticking his neck out" "sided with bill" and other such things.
I know this will sound a little hmm arrogant or presumptuous maybe, but for the sake of clarity: if anyone has any specific questions about my play, conduct, arguments or actions that they would like me to directly answer then please state them clearly and I will do so .
I'm the most likely to be lynched atm, so plz humor me xD
This post saying “I wont defend myself unless you ask me directly now” is a clever way of dodging all the previous comments and concerns. As rather than answering why he supported bm, or even making analysis on targets, he tries to pull himself out of the hotseat without actually having to do work. People then began to focus on inactive players at the time like misder, leaving xelin forgotten. He also asserts he was intending to actually contribute then decides he would rather not and sit back and pick what he responds to.
His play this game has been spotty, very anti town and untop of it all extremely inactive. Based on this I would put him as a strong possibility to be Mafia, or since he refuses to defend himself directly from being lynched a VI although that to me seems more like a mafia ploy than reality. At this point he is a strong candidate for a mafia lynch, or if nothing else, it removes a non contributing inactive member out of the game. In both cases town comes away ahead. If he is VI, then I am as bad as BM.
For now xelin is my #1 suspect, but I will start re-reading now to see if any others stand out glaringly.
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On October 10 2010 13:41 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 12:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Crucial decisions? What decision did I make here exactly other than the decision to put pressure. Mind you that's exactly what we as a town need to be doing. Pressuring people. In the name of DrH, I will put some pressure on BloodyC0bbler, who was my #1 suspect before Misder tripped my radar (falsely, and for that I'm sorry D: ) LONG POST INC I'll begin with Bill Murray's analysis of happy.fairytail, who used to occupy the slot that BloodyC0bbler now does. I disagree with his accusation of BC as "rolefishing," but I have to say he does make some good points against HFT. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 13:35 Bill Murray wrote:Posts 234/235 by Happy.Fairytale were posts to fake being useful to the town Post 255 is him fishing for Detectives through number "analysis" Post 257 by Happy.Fairytale: Please read this On October 05 2010 23:19 Happy.fairytail wrote: Yeah, I'm pretty concerned that we could potentially have 8 mod deaths by the end of today. (Not worried about Bill Murray and Cynan, it seems they're around and will post in time) On October 06 2010 21:21 Happy.fairytail wrote: shoot, I didn't vote last night ... worked all night yesterday and fell asleep with the lights on and everything. am I mod killed? =T (gonna read the last 12 pages of posts now) On October 06 2010 21:56 Happy.fairytail wrote: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I had all this analysis done on this awesome spreadsheet, setting up profiles of every single person ... arghhhhhhhhhhhhfahsofuiaw8efu9anh7q23984nvpauilfjvo;uw3avn78o3nvr8oPA*OVRNA@NV These two things are nearly an open contradiction. "I haven't read 12 pages" followed immediately by 35 minutes and then "I had all this analysis done on this awesome spreadsheet". I'll now proceed to my own thoughts on BloodyC0bbler, and I'll naturally begin with his refutation of BC's analysis. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hell even your contradiction is laughable. He had how much actual time to do what he said he had done minus 12 hours. Creating a spreadsheet/worddoc with information is becoming common place, and insanely useful. You start it typically day 1, and add/alter information as the game progress'
This is a desperate attempt to save yourself, and your clinging at straws. I find that this defense is made of paper. BC manufactures his own evidence, claiming that "creating a spreadsheet is commonplace and insanely useful" right when it benefits him to say so. If it's so useful and commonplace, why did he not give that advice to the new players? (Remember, one of BC's first posts in the thread was advice to newbies) Also, I agree that reading 12 pages of posts is doable in 35 minutes (1 page/3 min), but I personally can't spot solid red flags in peoples' posts while reading at that speed, and HFT claimed to have done "analysis" and "profiles," which are quite in depth. Now we transition into the PM debacle. I won't go into BM's evidence using BC's town/townie response, because that was shot down by the hosts. I'll try to focus on BC's content posts, because he does have a large number of one-liners ridiculing BM. In fact, out of those accused by BM, I think BC reacted the most aggressively. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 07 2010 15:05 Bill Murray wrote: infinitestory, "town" are usually called "townies". They failed to realize this. They are mafia. I am town, you are town, DoctorH is town in all likelihood... because we all claimed "town". "Town" = Townies. The way it is worded is weird, and not normal. OpZ and BC not picking up on the way "Townie" is reworded as "Town" in this game proves they are mafia or blue. I am leaning towards mafia on BC, which is why I am voting for him. I could also use the word citizen, town, townies. IT doesnt matter. It all means the same thing. You know this as well as I do. With the way your behaving I seriously think your a green aiming to sabotage the game since you hate your role, a mafia doing what you do every game, or a VI. Regardless, anyone with a brain will realize your just aiming to convince the newer players who don't know better to off people who can stop you from ruining a game. Subtly talking as if he's a guardian of the people, which is a tone I personally find scummy; in some of these posts, he almost seems to be forcing himself to talk like a townie. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 07 2010 15:13 Bill Murray wrote: yeah but role pm is phrased town bro bc doesnt realize that because hes red you dont realize that because you are blue and should probably claim hatter with a bomb on a mafia pick wisely, sir opz I am arguing that you are spamming a thread and not providing actual detail. I am also proving you wrong on multiple levels, thats because I am town and would like to win the game, thanks. I didn't see BC prove BM wrong on "multiple levels," or with legitimate evidence for that matter. In fact, BC posts several one liners that add no content himself. He also claims again that he is town, and I'm not sure why. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: eh? there is a major difference between spamming a post to be ignored, and making 7 posts in a row that are one liners that offer no real substance -_-
Many of your posts in this thread were simply one-line back and forth with BM. Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 12:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am however intrigued how you come out of complete inactivity, defend not only bm, but xelin as well. Are the mafia really playing so badly as to so obviously link together, or are the three of you combined just bad?
This is in response to SiNiquity. It is odd that SiN defends BM and XeliN, but BC still says it's "obvious" that the three are mafia AND linked together. He's already declared his opposition to BM, and his analysis of Xelin arrives later. I will note that while I combed BC's posts, I saw many more that added no content, giving some impression of posting but not really. Now for BC's lengthy analysis of XeliN, which I will counter-analyze. Spoilered because it is LONG + Show Spoiler +On October 08 2010 12:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Yay analysis time. I am leaving the obvious moron BM out of this as well, we all have determined he is retarded, so lets move on. First off I will be analyzing Xelin. I am opting to analyze him primarily because he stood out for his massive screw up by following BM. Now your going to ask, “but why xelin?” I will tell you why. I have been on a mafia team with xelin before. As such I know his play well enough at this point to know he’s not playing town. His general mafia style is sit back and wait, posting the bare minimum to stay off peoples radar’s and only appearing under a few situations. -Defend himself -Making random useless post to appear active -Jump on board ideas of his teammates, or people who are playing badly yet most people believe are town. Lets give you a brief summary of Xelin’s history this game. -Signed up -Didn’t post, nor vote day 1 -Came back with the excuse Show nested quote + *im abit drunk and jump posted because i had mod warnings. just saw the nights ended, but im sure the lynch is about as useful and thoughtout as any lynch at this stage is going to be (not at all) He openly admits he only posted due to mod warnings. Shows a complete disregard to the game and genuine lack of caring. He then reappears to defend himself against posts that insinuated he wasn’t modkilled because he had a role (this could be true or not). However the only real action to this lack of modkilling was he should be RC’d to verify his role. He then defended himself from being RC’d? He then drops back into inactive land until reappearing to support BM instantly and push the lynch of two of BM’s targets. Now, Xelin has worked with both myself and Opz in previous games, he knows that between the three of us every blue role in a game was coordinated into one unit and the mafia was quickly killed. Factor in his normal mafia playstyle this fits in perfectly. He keeps up his defense of BM’s strategy until he, much like bm, had the logic shot down by the town. Now backed into a corner he responds with Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 06:56 XeliN wrote: Ok I was going to try to write a large response post to some of the things people have said about me, but I'm finding it difficult currently due to the ambiguity of the assertions, there have been some statements such as "sticking his neck out" "sided with bill" and other such things.
I know this will sound a little hmm arrogant or presumptuous maybe, but for the sake of clarity: if anyone has any specific questions about my play, conduct, arguments or actions that they would like me to directly answer then please state them clearly and I will do so .
I'm the most likely to be lynched atm, so plz humor me xD This post saying “I wont defend myself unless you ask me directly now” is a clever way of dodging all the previous comments and concerns. As rather than answering why he supported bm, or even making analysis on targets, he tries to pull himself out of the hotseat without actually having to do work. People then began to focus on inactive players at the time like misder, leaving xelin forgotten. He also asserts he was intending to actually contribute then decides he would rather not and sit back and pick what he responds to. His play this game has been spotty, very anti town and untop of it all extremely inactive. Based on this I would put him as a strong possibility to be Mafia, or since he refuses to defend himself directly from being lynched a VI although that to me seems more like a mafia ploy than reality. At this point he is a strong candidate for a mafia lynch, or if nothing else, it removes a non contributing inactive member out of the game. In both cases town comes away ahead. If he is VI, then I am as bad as BM. For now xelin is my #1 suspect, but I will start re-reading now to see if any others stand out glaringly. First off, you claim your experience by listing Xelin's characteristics while playing as a red, which include posting very selectively and attempting to hide from the public eye. However, you then claim that he "disregards the game" and has a "genuine lack of caring." This actually contradicts the modus operandi of a player who watches and waits for opportunities to post, and I want to hear what BC has to say. Saying you've put a behavior to a pattern is pretty questionable when you show that you don't have a real understanding of that pattern. ON the other hand, the second part of his analysis does strike a valid point, and I pretty much agree with it. TO SUM: BloodyC0bbler's and HFT's posts have been riddled with contradictions and characteristically unhelpful (HFT mostly does useless analysis, while a good portion of BC's posts are one-line attacks on BM and others, which I have omitted). I would like to see, in response, a solid defense with logic. If BC can back up his accusations of BM, SiN, and Xelin with more logical evidence (actually, mostly BM and SiN), I will consider him much less suspect.
Yay, random accusation #1 of the day, hurrah hurrah.
I will start with the fun bit, spreadsheets. You mention that because I failed to mention it was common place was created as a general "for my own benefit" style of defense. That is inaccurate. Ask opz, or Xelin, hell even bm to a degree from flamewheels last mafia game he ran. In that game, I had a spreadsheet, DTA, Xelin, Opz, all supplied me with information they themselves had written down, Rastaban was building one I believe with pandain but I could be wrong. Pyrr had one, I know foolishness had notes written down on people, etc.. How people play is their own style, but keeping notes about people (some people make posts in a thread on general suspicions) is very common place. Attacking me based on the fact HFT mentioned that he had a ton of information to share after he was replaced could very well be true. Keep in mind of those 12 pages of thread, a large detail of information was given in the last 4ish hour period. Depending on his last checking of the thread, it could be only 4 pages to catch up on, and the amount of general information already written down (then updated if done so from said spreadsheet) is fairly easy.
Point 2 of yours. I can only touch on this briefly as it briefly talks about BM's plan which we are supposed to avoid. I proved him wrong by A) showing him soft roleclaim non green earlier on B) claimed actually what he was looking for before warning people to avoid his role sniffing You can keep reading and realize that I was refuting points. I will admit I was far more heated than I perhaps had to be because BM infuriates me to no end when he spams.
I also did spend alot of time posting back and for with small posts, most of which were in hopes to stop BM from constantly spamming (double standard I know, but I was no where near as bad for it), I claimed town again to shut BM up about the claim thing, as I had to emphasize I had done so before his "trap" thus showing he was cherry picking posts, much to a degree you seem to be.
Now, for my "linking" of SIN, Xelin and BM. Firstly, I say this is obvious because they all agreed to an idea that most people found terrible. Untop of that, 3 people who have all had points raised against them by various people, not only defend eachother but attack the same person. Are all of them for certain red? Perhaps not, but when three players share alot of commonalities on how they appear, calling out similar targets, etc... it increases the chances they are communicating somehow. In this format, putting yourself out to defend someone who has been called out multiple times, or the like is risky. Some people will do this, but it is risky. This tends to happen when people have a reason to trust eachother, usually involves outside thread communication. In this case unless I horribly misread the OP, only the mafia can do so. Factor in that Xelin never really refuted what I posted about him, instead he ignored it and let my post vanish in the sea of other accusations makes me believe he is red more thus strengthening his guilt in my eyes.
As for analysis of SIN and BM. I can do it of SIN and will, however as most of the posts that BM has made that make me suspect hes either red/VI are in a section BB wants us to not talk about, I can't really do much other than ask you this
Does his behaviour this game really indicate solidly pro town to you? He pushed for and got a VI lynched and then bragged about how that was a good move by him. Spammed away alot of posts by myself, opz, drH and a few others I believe about why his plan was wrong until he got warned for it, etc...
His behaviour this game in my eyes strongly suggests that he doesn't have the town's interest at heart.
As for a note of general inactivity. It is currently Thanksgiving Weekend in canada, combine that with my job hunting since I recently moved my time available for mafia isn't the same as it was for me in the past.
I will now start my analysis of SIN in a seperate post to come in a bit, however, since its 3am as I am writing this, it may not come up till after I wake up.
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On October 10 2010 14:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 14:32 Divinek wrote:On October 10 2010 14:18 SiNiquity wrote:Annnd now no one's been poisoned. :o On October 10 2010 14:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: I took a hit last night. err what? it's possible that mafia could poison someone and just have one of their members claim they took a hit you know. Not saying i think that's the case atm, i've generally seen opz in a pretty good light this game, but don't jump to conclusions so easily! Well someone out there knows I'm a town member, sheesh. I'm seriously waiting on BC. I want to see some multiparty analysis from him. Til then I'm going to vote for him. His argument with Bill was pretty...Well I was in it too....So I can't say much. But Bill did point out a good point with that about Happy. I was just waiting for more from BC...and I haven't gotten much more.
Dude, I have no issue popping out analysis, but waiting on me? I would ask if your expecting me to do it myself I ask you to do it as well. Your a solid player and shouldn't be relying just on my posts to figure out what to do.
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People have asked for more analysis wooo. Some of those people should realize that I am not perfect and start doing some of their own as well but the longer they wait the more I suspect them (much like they do me to a degree hurrah).
Siniquity.
Sup duder.
To start with. Pre game you were extremely active (anyone can use the find function on his name) and you will see what I mean. Come start of game
On October 04 2010 09:24 SiNiquity wrote: Annd town roles are out. Neat.
And his next post
On October 06 2010 10:41 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 10:31 Incognito wrote:On October 06 2010 10:21 BrownBear wrote:On October 06 2010 10:19 Incognito wrote:On October 06 2010 10:16 BrownBear wrote:On October 06 2010 10:11 Bill Murray wrote: OK. It's not fair. If I want to meta him, and provide both town and mafia games, I have to say who he is. That is NOT FAIR to me making a case on him. They wish to remain unknown, I am honoring their request. You may meta all you want with the game they played as Protactinium. I'm sure you can work with that, but it's really not up for discussion. What a strange rule. Oh well, I guess we must live with injustice. I'm leaving it up to Protactinium. If he wants to reveal himself I have no problem with that. If he wants to remain secret, I have no problem with that either. In my view it is the smurf's burden to enforce the secrecy of his own identity if he so wishes. I don't think mod intervention in protecting someone's identity is fair. Agreed. Mod should neither encourage nor discourage one to reveal the smurf's identity barring any smurfing rule.
Look at the time stamps, they were 49ish hours apart and almost completely missed day 1.
On October 06 2010 10:54 SiNiquity wrote: so protactinium, who are you? You're tied for the lead to be killed.
On October 06 2010 11:13 SiNiquity wrote: I'm pretty sure lynching the village idiot means we all lose. I see no reason for mafia to play along.
On October 06 2010 11:29 SiNiquity wrote: This presumes the Mafia is in a position to win - if they feel like they're losing, then it's the town's game to lose by following through with the lynch.
On October 06 2010 11:46 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 11:38 infinitestory wrote:On October 06 2010 11:29 SiNiquity wrote: This presumes the Mafia is in a position to win - if they feel like they're losing, then it's the town's game to lose by following through with the lynch. As long as the mafia are still in the game, they stand to lose by not night-killing the VI, regardless of whether it's also "the town's game to lose." To win, the mafia must remove both the VI and the town. A 1% chance to win the game is still preferable to simply losing. I know I've seen games where 1 mafia took out several town by himself with some clever lynch voting. :/ We should also try to start figuring out (if we've already done this, sorry, I just jumped in :/) what role Godfather is posing as, to help the DT do his job with the utmost accuracy. My first thought was that Godfather would pose as VI, and after that I can't decide which of the blue roles (barring DT of course) would be the most viable to pose as. Posing as bulletproof or veteran would cause the DT to defend him heavily against lynch kills, but I think the same probably applies for medic, mad hatter, and vigilante. Any other opinions? Once the VI is truly out in the open, we could argue that Mafia forfeits now or we lynch the the VI. My point is, by lynching the VI we -also- lose, so yes if the mafia is down then they have no reason to follow through with the kill, just as we have no reason to follow through with it. Granted I see no reason why the mafia wouldn't kill the VI just to get rid of him, but I don't agree that we would be in a position to blackmail them.
On October 06 2010 11:48 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 11:40 Pandain wrote:On October 06 2010 11:24 infinitestory wrote:On October 06 2010 11:22 Protactinium wrote: I'm sorry, am I attacking you? I was pretty sure I was just attacking your ideas, good sir. Well, then can you offer a logical argument as to why mafia would abstain from night-killing village idiot if village idiot is exposed and town makes the threat I outlined above? I would be glad to hear any thoughtful criticism, as this plan needs to work perfectly to actually get rid of that idiotic nuisance. Basically, if the town's going to be that much of a panda poacher than mafia can just do the same thing. They don't hit the VI. Then what? We doom ourselves? Chances are we change our mind and the mafia are 1 up on us. Basically, the plan revolves entirely around wifom, which should rarely be used in mafia. Alright, we have two explantions from why they voted Proctat. What about you, Sinquity? I called him out to reveal himself, he didn't. If he wants to take his identity to the grave then that's his decision.
On October 06 2010 12:04 SiNiquity wrote: 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. 7. If you miss a vote or fail to post during one day cycle, you will be modkilled.
Not voting: bumatlarge, kane]deth[, Infundi, Crisis_, Happy.fairytail
Not posted nor voted: XeliN, JeeJee
Under the current rules we're looking at 7 mod kills. Hope some of those are mafia :\
On October 06 2010 12:50 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 11:48 SiNiquity wrote:On October 06 2010 11:40 Pandain wrote:On October 06 2010 11:24 infinitestory wrote:On October 06 2010 11:22 Protactinium wrote: I'm sorry, am I attacking you? I was pretty sure I was just attacking your ideas, good sir. Well, then can you offer a logical argument as to why mafia would abstain from night-killing village idiot if village idiot is exposed and town makes the threat I outlined above? I would be glad to hear any thoughtful criticism, as this plan needs to work perfectly to actually get rid of that idiotic nuisance. Basically, if the town's going to be that much of a panda poacher than mafia can just do the same thing. They don't hit the VI. Then what? We doom ourselves? Chances are we change our mind and the mafia are 1 up on us. Basically, the plan revolves entirely around wifom, which should rarely be used in mafia. Alright, we have two explantions from why they voted Proctat. What about you, Sinquity? I called him out to reveal himself, he didn't. If he wants to take his identity to the grave then that's his decision. 10 minutes left.
On October 06 2010 13:00 SiNiquity wrote: I getcha, heh.
Also, Prot's headed to the gallows (bum just chimed in). Sorry buddy ~ could've thwarted this whole mess if you'd have fessed up.
On October 06 2010 11:14 SiNiquity wrote: ##vote protactinium
Those are the sum of most of Sin's day 1 posts. There are a few others that I excluded that were not on the talk of flamewheels smurf but most of those were issuing people to vote, or posting random useless posts like the note voting list/potential modkill list I have above.
These day 1 posts have him missing most of the day, then coming back and being "active" Most of his posts are one liners. Amongst these one liners are a large group of posts all centered around flamewheel and about the VI. He voted for flamewheel because flame smurfed. Bad reason right there. If you look at the evidence against flamewheel, it was almost entirely on the fact BM knew flamewheel was smurfing, but provided no real information as he didn't want to reveal who he was. Sin then took that as solid evidence, demanded that he reveal his smurf (not asking what the reasons behind his smurfing could be), and lynched him for it. Couple in the fact that BB said that revealing who flame was wasn't up for debate and that he was going to keep his smurf secret. When you factor in that a mod will usually only let someone smurf for a good reason (and most people who have smurfed mafia games are well known names), it is easy to guess he is most likely a good player. Offing a good player who doesn't have their name behind them would be a good day 1 lynch if you could push it.
The few non posts around smurfing/VI are mainly trying to force people to vote. This is a good thing as modkills suck, however
On October 06 2010 12:04 SiNiquity wrote: 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. 7. If you miss a vote or fail to post during one day cycle, you will be modkilled.
Not voting: bumatlarge, kane]deth[, Infundi, Crisis_, Happy.fairytail
Not posted nor voted: XeliN, JeeJee
Under the current rules we're looking at 7 mod kills. Hope some of those are mafia :\
This is almost as bad as posting vote lists to maintain a level of "contributing activity". One of the #1 thing that usually 1 mafia on a team does is post vote lists to seem active. This is the same general thing, what makes it worse is that this was already posted in BB's vote thread
On October 06 2010 12:05 SiNiquity wrote: EBWOP: Credit (or blame if it's wrong) to BrownBear for that list, I simply pulled it from the vote thread.
He didn't even get it himself, he simply reposted a mods information.
Summary of day 1. Lots of one liners Most of those posts were centered around a smurf posts around feigned contribution
Day 2
On October 07 2010 12:10 SiNiquity wrote: Also, BrownBear didn't slip anything about XeliN - I simply misread. You're spreading misinformation, so please stop.
Keep a close eye on time stamps
On October 08 2010 12:15 SiNiquity wrote:Disclaimer: This post is does not in any way encourage additional posting of PM or PM related information, nor do I wish to further the discussion of the PMs themselves. This post contains full disclosure of BM's method to further discourage any claiming. However, the prior claims are here to stay, for better or for worse. There's nothing that can be done, yet they've altered the meta game and as such cannot be ignored. Alternatively a host could simply come out and confirm that the PM messages were different dependent on host, alleviating us of this meta-game aspect entirely. But if not, then the information's there, and should be taken full advantage of by the townies.Now, in short, for those that don't feel like reading the spam starting from page 29 and going really until about page 35, Bill Murray demanded players to roleclaim, but emphasized players should carefully reread their PMs before claiming. It was actually very clever, as there was an underlying secret that only town players would recognize: town players were not PM'ed the word "town" but rather "townie" as their role. XeliN sums this up nicely: Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 16:42 XeliN wrote: My take on the whole "Town//Townie" questioning. It seems quite clear to me that the distinction Bill is trying to highlight here is not whether someone is Green or Blue, but on what a Town player was actually PM'd in their role. Seems a little bit shady as a strategy although nonetheless quite effective as I'm now fairly sure he is legitimately Town. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 16:47 XeliN wrote: In fact it's not even "my take" it's blatantly what he actually means as he frequently say's
"go back and look at your role PM, then tell me Town//Townie"
Him being established town (here's where "my take" is appropriate, you can make up your own minds!) doesn't mean he is correct in calling for bloody's lynch, but I'm going to need to go over the thread more purely with that in mind. OpZ is also suspect to me, along with BC, for missing Bill's intention which was quite blatant, although ofc if they were mafia they would miss it as their role PM would not make his intention blatant. Ironically, Bill, either in a burst of genius or insanity, incessantly insisted the correct answer was "town." And, best of yet, some people fell for it: Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: town
but i'm more confused by your plan than anything Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:49 infinitestory wrote:On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote: You, too, infinitestory. I claim town.I have no idea where you could possibly be going with this. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I'm town, and you already know that. (Note: BC is especially guilty in this regard, as he kept referring to the town post in the OP as his point of reference). In fact the only player that correctly roleclaimed as far as I can surmise is OpZ: Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: Really? my role PM says townie. It was also sent by Artanis. Was yours sent by Artanis? -_- Even now Bill maintains "town" is the correct answer, and his vigilance for this charade is admirable yet simultaneously disturbing on some deeper level. However, props to him for maintaining it for so long (I'd certainly be convinced). Now there is the caveat that there were different wording in the PMs based on the host. Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 05:41 BrownBear wrote: Both Artanis and I sent out role PMs, to make our workload easier. As such, take the following conclusions with a grain of salt: Confirmed players from my perspective: - Bill Murray
- ~OpZ~
- XeliN (maybe, first one to put 2-2 together but never identified "townie" as the correct solution).
Suspect players from my perspective: - BloodyC0bbler (claimed "town")
- DoctorHelvetica (claimed "town")
- infinitestory (claimed "town")
- Divinek (just didn't get it, went off on XeliN)
- Amber[LighT] (just didn't get it, went off on XeliN)
- Nuke (just didn't get it)
Still need to look at the votes over the past day to see if there's anything worthwhile there. But I'm certainly curious as to what one of the "town" players will flip ~ if town, then there's possibly a host discrepancy. If not, then this only confirms my suspicions. It's the strongest lead we've got and I see no reason not to pursue it. Anyway I'm off to bed to mull this over.
On October 09 2010 11:45 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 11:32 CynanMachae wrote:On October 09 2010 11:22 SiNiquity wrote: ##Vote Double Lynch - <3 XeliN for pointing out we have unlimited (didn't notice that). What is this? I'm pretty sure we only have two double lynches Ack you're right. In that case I don't think we should be using them just yet. Going to go change it...
On October 09 2010 11:48 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 11:41 LSB wrote:On September 08 2010 13:30 BrownBear wrote: 2 Double Lynches remaining Interesting... Anyways, why not use one now, we got a good plan to go with for BM Wait. So we're double lynching just to lynch BM "for free" tomorrow?
On October 09 2010 12:17 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 12:02 LSB wrote:On October 09 2010 11:54 kingjames01 wrote: I set my alarm so I could wake up before Day 2 ended and I went and checked the voting thread. I noticed that 4 players haven't put their votes in!! SINiquity, XeliN, kane]deth[ and cSc
There's no way that all 4 of you are mafia. DON'T GET MODKILLED! VOTE!!!!!! Remember even if you vote for or against Double Lynching it doesn't count as your lynch vote.
You still need to vote! If you guys lose the game for us tonight I am going to freak out. cSc is the only one who hasn't voted yet. On October 09 2010 11:48 SiNiquity wrote:On October 09 2010 11:41 LSB wrote:On September 08 2010 13:30 BrownBear wrote: 2 Double Lynches remaining Interesting... Anyways, why not use one now, we got a good plan to go with for BM Wait. So we're double lynching just to lynch BM "for free" tomorrow? That's why I voted for double lynch. See this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=37#733 That's terrible. If BM's not mafia, there's no guarantee that Mafia won't gamble that he's not a VI and we waste our double lynch. I also don't believe there's more than 1 VI (protact), but that's just a hunch on my part. Look, now that I understand BM's plan, I agree it was utterly and ridiculously stupid (seriously - "Hey guys I'm town, so what are you, town/townie, oh and btw if you're blue answer 'town' since that's the super-secret right answer, but otherwise tell me are you town/townie" Gee I wonder what -mafia- would respond with?). From my perspective (i.e. OpZ's), I thought it was all a clever trap.. too clever for BM though, and I should've realized that. But even as bad as his version was, I think it's a stretch to suggest a non-town player would initiate such action relying on some "correct" wording of town PMs which, if wrong, would mean his doom (as it turns out, there was more than one "correct" wording so either way he was right, but he couldn't have known that). So in short, no, I don't think we should double lynch just to lynch BM, and I'm not convinced we're going to have enough information tomorrow to justify using one of our (two) double lynches. Also james is correct ~ I've only voted for double lynch so far (and now unvoted). Still weeding through the thread to find my vote candidate.
On October 09 2010 12:47 SiNiquity wrote:I don't think either Misder or XeliN are mafia, and if my tired count is correct they're the current big leaders in the vote.
On October 09 2010 13:10 SiNiquity wrote: Yea you're free to post in twilight
On October 09 2010 13:12 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 13:10 Protactinium wrote: So where is BrownBear... Er I could technically flip you since I know what you are, and I think there are modkills to be made. Where are the hosts? BrownBear said the night post would be coming late since it's Friday. idk 'bout Artanis
On October 09 2010 13:24 SiNiquity wrote:I think that's a deafening no
Now, we can see that he posted once during the night period of day 1, then came back 24 hours later to post analysis on me. Claiming that I fell for bm's trap and that referring to the OP as a defense was part of my guilt. Keeping in mind that in the rules comparing PM's is against the rules and a modkillable offense. So suspecting me based on NOT breaking the rules. It was a large post that primarily included quotations, and offered very new analysis of his own, it was primarily just summarizing posts made from people on one specific topic (in this case bm's bit).
After that he vanished for just shy 24 hours AGAIN, then started by a few one liners.
From there he moved into
saying "Look, now that I understand BM's plan, I agree it was utterly and ridiculously stupid (seriously - "Hey guys I'm town, so what are you, town/townie, oh and btw if you're blue answer 'town' since that's the super-secret right answer, but otherwise tell me are you town/townie" Gee I wonder what -mafia- would respond with?). From my perspective (i.e. OpZ's), I thought it was all a clever trap.. too clever for BM though, and I should've realized that."
First off, he had agreed to BM's plan as clever just 24 hours before hand. He also then said that rather than having his own perspective (he was using opz's), he should have realized the clever trap he liked the day before was too clever for BM? This seems to me as not really contributing as it is backtracking since he was coming under heat for supporting something really stupid. I can see him doing this as both town or mafia aligned, but he should have stressed his own reasoning behind it (who convinced him, etc..) rather than just saying someones perspective and moving on.
He then proceeds to spam one liners again before vanishing. In day 2 we saw much of the same behaviour as day 1. Alot of one liners that appear to feign activity, summarizing things while saying nothing really of his own and even though today he disagreed with the top two lynch choices, he didn't provide a reason why he thought so, or provide analysis on a new target he believed was mafia. This behaviour to me really seems to be feigning activity to avoid being on an inactive list, and while appearing to "contribute" to seem more like town.
After going through his post history and what he has said he is an excellent choice for today's lynch.
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On October 10 2010 23:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 16:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 10 2010 14:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 10 2010 14:32 Divinek wrote:On October 10 2010 14:18 SiNiquity wrote:Annnd now no one's been poisoned. :o On October 10 2010 14:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: I took a hit last night. err what? it's possible that mafia could poison someone and just have one of their members claim they took a hit you know. Not saying i think that's the case atm, i've generally seen opz in a pretty good light this game, but don't jump to conclusions so easily! Well someone out there knows I'm a town member, sheesh. I'm seriously waiting on BC. I want to see some multiparty analysis from him. Til then I'm going to vote for him. His argument with Bill was pretty...Well I was in it too....So I can't say much. But Bill did point out a good point with that about Happy. I was just waiting for more from BC...and I haven't gotten much more. Dude, I have no issue popping out analysis, but waiting on me? I would ask if your expecting me to do it myself I ask you to do it as well. Your a solid player and shouldn't be relying just on my posts to figure out what to do. No sir BC, that is not what I meant. I've been waiting to see something from you, so I could generate a better opinion about you. You know I can't trust you, and never do. And personally, even bringing up BM in your post made me suspect you more. We know BM wasn't playing pro-town. We haven't lynched him for fear of VI. Why did you feel you needed to beat a dead horse BC? If you want my opinion, you've done more than Amber, and Xelin, and South, and Meeple. Kinda...annoyed they aren't posting at all. What you all have nothing to say? I'd venture 2 of you are mafia. Amber especially under suspicion.
Eh? I was asked to analyze BM by Infinite when he asked me for analysis. Suspecting me for doing something that someone asked is pretty sketchy play opz, even you know that. Besides, your also an experienced player, waiting for me to post to get a general idea on my alignment is great, its even smart. However, by not posting any analysis because your waiting for me doesn't help the town in the least. You can easily analyze me overtime as well as write up analysis of people you find suspicious to help the town.
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Also, for all those discussing of Opz's role, please stop. If the answer regardless of his role should be Medic protected because that gives no information on his own role. If he reveals his role it gives the mafia an advantage for how to kill him whereas it doesn't do much for the town other than them argue over if hes telling the truth of his role instead of arguing if hes lying about taking a hit. Both situations cause town to argue and bicker, one situation gives mafia extra information for night hits.
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On October 10 2010 23:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:Can someone explain to me why we voted for a double lynch? I could have sworn we were going to get this insane amount of information, yet from what it seems we're still running around with our heads cut off. Like what the hell happened yesterday? The day seemed pretty cut and dry. Vote Xelin and then see if mafia touches BM. Was this plan not sound? Then someone suggested a double lynch. I wasn't keen on the idea of doing this, and I vocally said going for a double lynch so early was a terrible idea. So now we didn't lynch Xelin, but instead went for someone who wasn't even being discussed until the last 12 hours of the day (since I checked frequently up until then). What seems to be the plan? Where does Xelin sit on the list? BM? Did we just forget about them. There is one thing I want to raise as suspicion, and everyone should consider this: I'm HIGHLY suspicious of this since we can't really check. Not only do I find it fishy that he would say this, but it's also weird that we would have 2 veterans with the possibility of a bulletproof in this game. It would seem that in a game this small it's more likely that only one person would fulfill each role, at the most. It makes no sense to stack roles like Veterans in this game, since our last veteran that died obviously had no clue how to use his role. However I will say that I am not suspcious of Opz because if he is a Veteran, he used the role very well, and his posts should be looked at to see who he targeted, if there's any relevant posts. But I want everyone to mull over this. Our friend, BC, used the same tactic in another mafia game and it ruined the town for about 2 days because we didn't act! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=81#1610Cliffs: BC claimed to be protected by a medic on Night 2. We played along and didn't act upon this claim. He then went on to completely obliterate the town in the subsequent days in BM's game. Is Opz lying? Well if you want to be sure we can lynch him. He isn't really useful anymore if he's already been hit once. He has been playing the fence throughout the whole game. Usually he pushes players against a wall more frequently, and he wasn't doing this in an aggressive way this time. For the second lynch, you guys can figure it out. You wanted 2, now start investigating. I'm going to just vote for Xelin again since the double lynch plan was more sound with Xelin dying yesterday and BM dying today.
For a note of the game amber referenced in this post about me being red and taking a hit. I actually did take a hit as mafia from a vig and was protected by a medic. The case in which amber is using in my case wasn't so much as a planned tactic as it was lucky break for my team at the time.
Does this remove the possibility of opz lying. No it doesn't, however the situations behind that game and this could be completely different. It would also quickly be solved by this.
IF A VIG HIT OPZ LAST NIGHT CLAIM. Your one hit would have been used and thus you can clear opz. It would also give a 95% confirmed player for the town to rally behind and for meds to protect.
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Opz I told them stop talking about it because it was so counter productive. Look at the people who have contributed today and then look at the votes. A few are awesome as they are random votes with no justification + no post in thread in general. Awesome game so far.
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On October 12 2010 08:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: Siniquity, you really need to format your posts better. BC please tell me ONE thing. Why did you vote for Amber?
When I left earlier today to head to the hospital I had just finished your analysis and it was solid and had a higher chance of being noticed than my bit on siniquity so I swapped over.
I am catching up on what i missed since this afternoon and may have to revote, not sure yet.
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On October 12 2010 13:57 ~OpZ~ wrote: ........
I'm insanely mad at Amber right now and can not correctly type and format a post right now. Amber, I fucking don't understand you so much right now. I mean I see where that was coming from...Anyway, lynch told us hell of a lot.
Vigi, if you exist hit BC.
=D
Considering Amber was BP, not Vet, We can assume I'm not BP. Now that leaves me to either have been Vet or Med prot'd. If I am vet, well, I'm out of night lives. So I think it's okay if I tell you guys how I'm alive. I posted before that someone out there knows I'm town. I was saved by a medic, which was insanely lucky. Thank you for whoever said I was a good protection candidate.
I see why Amber said I'd be useless as I'd of taken my hit. His posts make hella sense now. Fucccccck Amber FUUUUUUUUUCK. Why couldn't you of just role claimed. You'd of been PERFECT. and you were quiet as an UNKILLABLE? Sorry.
Anyway, the importance of this now. To the medic that saved me, i'm 100% confirmed (unless a vig would like to step forward saying you hit me). Now, why I suspect BC. He went onto Amber with my wishy washy post that got him an ass of votes. I personally feel it wasn't that great of a post. Anyway, he allows that weak little points on Amber were enough. Maybe I'm doubting myself, but I would of laughed at that kind of analysis if I was BC. (See- pretty much any post by BC). Anyway, happy f'd up first, and BC f'd up second.
Amber. Fuck man you should of just claimed. Fuck I was out too late ><.
Dude? He was the only player with semi decent analysis by someone I'd trust today aside from my own. None of you talked about my sin analysis so the choice was kinda there. My options were xelin who I believed was red based off his behaviour. Then I get the choice of south or amber since no one would look at the stuff on sin. As I respect you as one of the better players in this game, and coupled with his insanely weak defense and his attack on you kinda suggested to me red. Factor in your analysis, factor in he is experienced enough to play at a certain level, factor in he brought suspicion onto you then backtracked and he came up seeming red.
He was a better choice than south. Would I have preferred Sin, yes. however no one would vote that way, nor did I have time today to try and push that lynch.
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On October 13 2010 11:46 ~OpZ~ wrote: Near time...I guess I'll point out BM is mafia.
And everyone that defended him. I'll bet good money on that. Bills trying to get a vet merc'd strategy.
Bill or BC. Hard to explain why right now. Too f'd up. Time running out.
Okay...Bills mass spamming. Easily expected of him. He's not likely to get lynched because of it. Bills willingness to get a vet player lynched, though arguable. We need to stop chucking things up to Bill being stupid, or something else. Maybe I'm just paranoid cuz I'm baked as fuck. But I'm gonna go lay down or chill out.
And about BC....Happy's posting, and...well BC is alive + BC not posting as ferociously as when he is town.
Dude, if you based my play from like a year ago based on my playing style now I would die every game. I don't have the same level of time to play, nor are the games I have played in included all of the elements in which I am most familiar with. Keep in mind when I posted super amounts it was analysis on clues, or random information found by a group in pm land. This game includes neither of those elements.
Going after me for not posting ferociously isn't valid as when I have to post alot I do, but the town doesn't even reply to 90% of the things I post.
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Ugh today has been way to dead. Looks like drH's game seems to have taken all the activity.
Right now I want to lynch south and Sin. Sin for the same reasons as yesterday and south because he was super high on the vote list yesterday. I would prefer Sin to die, but as yesterday no one agreed with me I will vote for south for now as he was a target everyone could agree on. I will be around off and on most of the day so hopefully we get some activity going so we can make a good solid lynch today.
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On October 15 2010 14:58 infinitestory wrote: ok wtf so the detectives pretty much all knew each other
DrH and kingjames did really impressive pro-town games, I'm amazed (I also had a feeling Godfather would pose as a DT) BC we knew, but he defended himself more than some of the townies >___> and based on the modkills and lynch, I was prepared to guess Divinek and ghrur as mafia o_O
I think the crux of this game boiled down to having so many new players / inactives that finding suspects who didn't defend themselves or couldn't do it properly was more than easy, it was guaranteed.
Rofl. I was highly suspected but no one thought I was red more than any other person. Also, blame crisis_
He apparently checked me and got my role as poisoner. No way I could have argued miller out of that, so an inactive dt just ruined it for you guys =\
I should say no one suspected me enough to push me hard enough to get me lynched over alot of the inactives. Sin had a really good argument on why i should die this past day, shame it came to late to push for it.
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On October 15 2010 15:02 infinitestory wrote: I put my 100% faith in OpZ for a reason... :/
Opz really should have pushed to kill me. I honestly, seriously honestly, thought I was dead soon as I subbed in. I read over hft's posts and was like "I am so fucked"
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On October 15 2010 15:04 kingjames01 wrote: Why didn't Crisis_ claim?? That would have put you guys back in the game. Since everyone was suspicious of BC anyway, it would have been an easy lynch. We (mafia) wouldn't have been able to save him. We were discussing the possibility of trying to save him but I think that would have put us all at risk...
I told you guys to just let me cause a ruccus if they came out with a check on me. Also, wtf hatter? why was a bomb on drH and not me.
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On October 15 2010 15:05 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2010 14:58 infinitestory wrote: ok wtf so the detectives pretty much all knew each other
DrH and kingjames did really impressive pro-town games, I'm amazed (I also had a feeling Godfather would pose as a DT) BC we knew, but he defended himself more than some of the townies >___> and based on the modkills and lynch, I was prepared to guess Divinek and ghrur as mafia o_O
I think the crux of this game boiled down to having so many new players / inactives that finding suspects who didn't defend themselves or couldn't do it properly was more than easy, it was guaranteed. doesnt matter what you guess if you cant get them lynched lol! it boiled down to town being too lazy and passive here's for finding a red then not claiming and getting him killed!
*dances a happy jig* I somehow survived multiple lynch days, a vig hit, and a dt check. Lady luck of mafia just shined down on me.
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On October 15 2010 15:07 infinitestory wrote: lol i love the mafia post-game everyone who's so serious while the game's going on just suddenly turns all giddy
even though we lost, I'm looking forward to my next game ;_;
Dude, Every night I told my teammates "expect me to be checked tonight/vigi'd" then "let me cause a shitstorm when I'm accused"
Each day I somehow didn't get screwed and we pushed someone else to the gallows. Town was way to passive this game, I really should have died.
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On October 15 2010 15:10 infinitestory wrote: it really REALLY did NOT help that we had 4 modkills, including two blues and two greens, and one of them was a DT who had even found a poisoner
To quote Div via msn
"it was like you jedi mind tricked him into doing nothin this is not the cobbler you're looking for"
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On October 15 2010 15:10 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2010 15:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 15 2010 15:07 infinitestory wrote: lol i love the mafia post-game everyone who's so serious while the game's going on just suddenly turns all giddy
even though we lost, I'm looking forward to my next game ;_; Dude, Every night I told my teammates "expect me to be checked tonight/vigi'd" then "let me cause a shitstorm when I'm accused" Each day I somehow didn't get screwed and we pushed someone else to the gallows. Town was way to passive this game, I really should have died. that is likely my fault, actually i didn't like your contradictions, but i accepted your defense because there were more pressing targets with no defense
Not just you. In one day I managed to fend you off, Bm off, Xelin to a degree, Opz, and still managed to attack Sin. It also really helped that my scum play for my defense came off more town than amber/xelin/south/misder and the like. My ability to appear towny enough to escape death shocked even me.
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On October 15 2010 15:15 kingjames01 wrote: Oh, BC... you sound like you're bragging...
it sounds like it, I am more excited I lived and wished it came off that.
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On October 15 2010 15:18 Divinek wrote: and that like none of us even mentioned anything when people brought up BC rofl like seriously the only person that said anything about BC all game was drh when he voted for him then moved that vote later
soooo hilariously obvious
Fuck drH, his vote had me way to high in the chances of dying =(
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On October 15 2010 15:19 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2010 15:15 infinitestory wrote:On October 15 2010 15:12 CynanMachae wrote:I trusted you DrH so did we all makes sense now that DrH and kingjames01 would back each other up... and that ghrur would agree with kingjames... it was the triangle of towncred ;-; At one point, I actually attacked DrH. =) I accused him in the game of masterminding the bandwagons. HAHA. Then he answered that he was busy and would reply later. When he did reply, he didn't address the bandwagon issue and no one ever brought it up again.
Rofl I so missed that.
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On October 15 2010 15:22 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2010 15:18 infinitestory wrote: i honestly love that you guys didn't lynch me after my day 1, which i might as well have posted while high/drunk/somehow or other incapacitated we didnt care about you because you clearly had no idea what was going on lol
so mean -_-
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hahaha I dunno if anyone in this game did enough for a belkar award.
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On October 15 2010 15:27 kingjames01 wrote: What's the belkar award?
that award is also one of the things I am most proud of from all of the games I've played.
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On October 16 2010 01:09 drag_ wrote:I had a bomb on Doc H, but I didn't die
You should have roleclaimed on the last day. You had two bombs placed, and one of them was on a soon to be lynched target (thus losing your bomb). If you claimed, we would have lynched you + killed 2 people, one would flip gf giving the town a shot.
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On October 16 2010 01:51 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2010 15:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 15 2010 15:05 Divinek wrote:On October 15 2010 14:58 infinitestory wrote: ok wtf so the detectives pretty much all knew each other
DrH and kingjames did really impressive pro-town games, I'm amazed (I also had a feeling Godfather would pose as a DT) BC we knew, but he defended himself more than some of the townies >___> and based on the modkills and lynch, I was prepared to guess Divinek and ghrur as mafia o_O
I think the crux of this game boiled down to having so many new players / inactives that finding suspects who didn't defend themselves or couldn't do it properly was more than easy, it was guaranteed. doesnt matter what you guess if you cant get them lynched lol! it boiled down to town being too lazy and passive here's for finding a red then not claiming and getting him killed! *dances a happy jig* I somehow survived multiple lynch days, a vig hit, and a dt check. Lady luck of mafia just shined down on me. Yeah, that was dumb. Who in the world Roleblocks AND kills the same person :S That saved your life
ME, because if you were vig/med/bulletproof/vet it meant we stopped your power from a) screwing without hit or b) killing one of us -_-
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On October 16 2010 02:14 BrownBear wrote: You all know that Belkar award is being posthumously awarded to Bill Murray this game ^^
Bearies coming up tonight.
screw him, he only did one terrible thing, not deserving of a belkar award
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