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Bill Murray
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I was suspicious of all of the people you have been, glad there is someone else in the town on the same page. | ||
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Bill Murray
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Bill Murray
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
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NukeTheBunnys
United States1004 Posts
On October 08 2010 19:37 Bill Murray wrote: I am going to bed. I put my vote on NTB because I feel like we get information out of his flip, and I feel he has a good chance of being red based upon his behavior. I really don't know what information you think you will get out of lynching me, other then my role of course. I have not defended anyone and my entire accusation/voting history was voting for cnyan to pressure him into talking, then jumping on the bandwagon you started. You also stated that you were going to do an analysis of my posts, but nothing has been forth coming. This means one of three possible things, 1 you got lazy and didn't do it, which really means nothing, 2 it was an attempt to get me to post, in which case i suppose its successful,or 3 you did look back at all my posts, didn't really find anything and so didn't want to post your lack of evidence against me. I have nothing to hide and welcome anyone doing an analysis of my posts. I welcome it so much that here are all my posts for easy review + Show Spoiler + On October 04 2010 22:59 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I'm in favor of just voting random the first day. We have very little reason to go on to try and pick some one suspicious, and if anyone is suspicious before day 1 night, then they are most likely attempting to be suspicious(read the Village Idiot). The same holds true to voting an inactive. We would most likely end up killing a townie by voting random, but I don't think we really have a better option. Once people start posting more we can have a more educated, organized, strategy, but for now I believe in chaos On October 05 2010 05:46 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I have been convinced. I didn't think about how choosing randomly would promote people not posting. I was only thinking about the village idiot and how they could try for an easy day 1 win by being inactive/suspicious if we decided to go that route. I do like amber's idea of randomly choosing some one to defend them selves and then we can choose to take action based on their, and others responses On October 05 2010 22:57 NukeTheBunnys wrote: Here is the list of people that have not posted so far, so we can get an idea of who the inactives are 1. JeeJee 2. bumatlarge 3. Bill Murray 10.SINiquity 11.XeliN 12.kane]deth[ 15.infinitestory 16.cSc 20.drag_ 21.CynanMachine I did not count 1 line post with no real content. A bit less then half the people have posted by now with most of the content from a small group of people(~OpZ~,Amber[LighT].Divinek and Misder and some others) If we choose to vote inactive, we currently have quite the pool to choose from On October 06 2010 00:21 NukeTheBunnys wrote: Is Cynan's only post thus far, so he is not completely inactive. However due to trying to convince people you cant hunt reds the first day, and trying to stay below the radar by posting the bare minimum, I am accusing him of being Mafia. Defend yourself or get lynched. On October 06 2010 02:14 NukeTheBunnys wrote: CynanMachine is leading in votes, best start talking. Also can you change your vote after submitting it. There is the "You cannot autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon." rule but Im wondering if you can vote to really pressure some one into talking/trying to defend them self then If they do respond to your satisfaction change your vote to someone you think is more likely? On October 06 2010 02:50 NukeTheBunnys wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 02:47 Qatol wrote: Because Brownbear put me in the day 1 post, I'm going to assume he doesn't mind if I clarify the rules that I have worked with before. Yes. You can change your vote whenever you feel like it (until voting closes). The "autochange" rule means that you can't do something like say "I vote for Ace, but if Ver ties Ace in votes, I change my vote to Ver." Also, you cannot do something like say "I want my vote on the person in second place." You have to come in and vote for a specific person (or people in the case of a double lynch). If you feel like changing your vote to someone else, make a new post (do NOT edit your old post! - editing posts is not allowed in mafia games) saying that you are no longer voting for Ace and are now voting for Ver. You can do that any time until the voting closes and you may do it as many times as you want. We should probably rewrite that rule at some point because it is a little confusing. Thank you. That is more or less what I thought was the case, but I wanted some clarification. On October 06 2010 06:22 NukeTheBunnys wrote: 1. JeeJee 2. bumatlarge 3. Bill Murray 10.SINiquity 11.XeliN 12.kane]deth[ 15.infinitestory 16.cSc Here is the updated list of inactives. The only difference is Cynan and drag_ have been removed. cSc is still on tehre because while he has posted, it didn't really have enough content for anyone to get any sort of read off of. Im not quite sure how to take Pandain's defense of Cynan. He is clearly a quite experienced player, and he does have a point that there is very little evidence condemning Cynan. At the same time we have a link between two players and that is the most information we really have at this point, so voting for one of them could help clear/incriminate the other. I have not decided, but there are clear merits for voting for Pandain or Cynan and as of yet I have yet to see any more compelling reasons to vote for anyone else. On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I think lynching the VI as a threat to the mafia, but its only really worth it if the mafia are really close to winning. Even then its a risk, but if the town is going to lose anyway, might as well go out with style. On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun. On October 06 2010 12:19 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I think he is just as likely to be mafia as anyone else. Honestly I don't really have any strong feelings about who is mafia yet. Protact does seem suspicious, just like many others. I am also quite supicious of Bill Murray, but he will not get lynched based on current votes, and If Protact is a green/blue then I have a good argument vs Bill, since he is the one that started to get people to vote for Protact. On October 08 2010 00:12 NukeTheBunnys wrote: Wow spam much. Right now I'm thinking Bill is either A. a second village idiot, or B. mafia trying to hide behind the fear of a second village idiot. Its very tempting to vote for him regardless just to get the spam to stop. I really don't understand why he is bragging about convincing everyone(myself included) to vote for the village idiot. Hurrr I made us lose on the first day Im a good player Hurrrrrrrr. As for the role PM's I think people are just trying to confuse everyone. Even if some one is helping brown bear host, I seriously doubt that he would send out half the role PMs, and some one else would send out the other half. I think anyone(read: Opz) claiming that their PM was not sent by brownbear is very suspicious. Im not going to get nitpicking about the town/townie distinction as they are commonly interchangeable. My next step is to go reread the past 7 pages completely ignoring everything Bill said and see if it makes any more sense. Then again maybe I should go back and point out the inconsistencies in his spam as Im sure I could find quite a few On October 08 2010 07:56 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I checked back since day1 night fall to see and no you did not ask me anything. Unless you are counting As a question, which I don't because its not actually asking anything. I think the vig should hit BM tonight and we should lynch some one else. It seems like many of us are suspicious of BM being mafia and also fear him being a VI. His spamming tirade did not start until day 2, I believe the reason for this is he was voted god father and chose VI as his role. In the case that I am wrong, I doubt that BM would be dumb enough to stick his head out like this if he was a blue so lynching him would result in losing another green, which while undesirable, isn't as bad as taking out a potential blue. I don't think that threats will work to try and get the mafia to kill Bill, or anyone else. We lose just as much as the mafia if he is the VI, and if he is not mafia, then it could be an acceptable risk to them to go after some potential blue targets and then end up even farther ahead since we would lose a green(bill), plus who ever they kill. So by threatening to lynch a potential VI you end up putting the mafia into a relatively low risk, high reward situation. On October 08 2010 07:56 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I checked back since day1 night fall to see and no you did not ask me anything. Unless you are counting As a question, which I don't because its not actually asking anything. I think the vig should hit BM tonight and we should lynch some one else. It seems like many of us are suspicious of BM being mafia and also fear him being a VI. His spamming tirade did not start until day 2, I believe the reason for this is he was voted god father and chose VI as his role. In the case that I am wrong, I doubt that BM would be dumb enough to stick his head out like this if he was a blue so lynching him would result in losing another green, which while undesirable, isn't as bad as taking out a potential blue. I don't think that threats will work to try and get the mafia to kill Bill, or anyone else. We lose just as much as the mafia if he is the VI, and if he is not mafia, then it could be an acceptable risk to them to go after some potential blue targets and then end up even farther ahead since we would lose a green(bill), plus who ever they kill. So by threatening to lynch a potential VI you end up putting the mafia into a relatively low risk, high reward situation. On October 08 2010 11:17 NukeTheBunnys wrote: Whats the point of "wasting" a vig hit on BM if he is supposed VI, well if nothing else it will stop the spam and I would welcome that. On a more serious note I feel like there is a good chance he is mafia for many reasons, such as he said he spams a lot of one liner as mafia, wild accusations with little content and Contradicting him self in the spam. Now becaues he is likely mafia, that is the real reason to spend a vig hit on him. Due to his spamming and getting everyone pissed off at him he also has the potential to be a second village idiot, or the godfather impersonating the VI, which would mean everyone loses if we lynch him(as I understand it) so yes, I am afraid that a mafia is posing as VI The way I see it is these are all the situations it could be BM is mafia and trying to convince people he is VI to hide BM is the godfather impersonating the VI BM is a second village idiot BM is a really, REALLY stupid blue BM is a green that is helping the mafia more then the town. really in every case but him being incredibly dumb blue it is in the towns favor to have him killed, but in 2/5 of those cases we cant kill him or we lose, so he seems like the perfect target for a vig hit Also I would like to say that with Brownbear revealing that there were two people sending out the messages, and that they did word them differently, I think all the talk about the role PMs is mostly useless, and is really more of a distraction then something we should be focusing on. If you can find some one contradicting themselves about the PMs between when BM started posting about them, and when brownbear posted then that is still valid evidence. Also here is the list of inactives since daybreak day2 5. SouthRawrea 16.cSc 19.Crisis_ --sorta posted 21.CynanMachae Here is the list of inactives from day 1 at about the same time 1. JeeJee 2. bumatlarge 3. Bill Murray 10.SINiquity 11.XeliN 12.kane]deth[ 15.infinitestory 16.cSc 21.CynanMachae So we are starting to see that both cSc and CynanMachine are starting to develop a bit of a history of waiting till the last minute to post, or posting zero content things. I find this interesting and want to see more content out of them. Therefore I am currently going to vote for cSc | ||
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NukeTheBunnys
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On October 08 2010 23:40 NukeTheBunnys wrote: Also, I know I don't have early enough information to do a double lynch this early so for those that are proposing we do a double lynch this early you better give some very convincing arguments about who to lynch and why we need to kill both of them tonight The reason we are going to do a double lynch are two fold. One is taking into the fact that we are going to kill Bill Murray. Now, the current plan is that we are going to vigi Bill Murray. In case Bill Murray is saved by the vigi being roleblocked, or the good chance there is no vigi, we need to do a double lynch so we don't just waste our next hit having to clean up yesterday's mistakes. Basically, we know Bill Murray is mafia/vigi/very useless townie. The second reason is that we WILL know enough by tommorow. Also, note double lynch works for the NEXT DAY CYCLE. Aka, if we vote double lynch now, it comes into effect next day cycle. I think you're a bit confused there. Going ahead, don't you think we'll know enough about another person tommorow? There's already been plenty of good debate, and that in combination with the deaths tommorow night and the outcome of this lynch will definitely suffice to at least provide sufficient reason for a double lynch. Everyone Vote double lynch Also, nice post kingjames. While it would be alot strong if not for the fact they were all new(and therefore can be prone to making silly mistakes such as bandwagoning a player at the last second), I find the Cynan slip particularly interesting. I think I'm going to vote him. Also, Crisis, King deth, drag, and infinite story I want to hear more from you ASAP. | ||
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
On October 08 2010 18:51 kingjames01 wrote: - CynanMachae ##Vote Padain (2:42 remaining) Comment: You were in the lead and headed to the gallows. With only 2:42 left before nightfall, why did you not vote for Crisis_ so that you were not in the lead??? Is it possible that you DON'T want Crisis_ to be lynched? I voted for Pandain because I believed him to be suspect at that point. I didn't vote for Crisis_ to save myself either because I didn't think the votes against me were that threatening, since they all happened earlier on and most of the later discussion were on other suspects. As for my yesterday's inactivity (which people pointed out), I already said that I didn't post because of BM's crap and there was only a bunch of useless posts for pretty much the last 5-6 pages when I last caught up. If anyone is going to blame me for not taking part in that then go ahead. I'm not convinced we are going to have that much information for double lynches tomorrow. I'm going through the posts of each player one at a time, so far in my pro-town players I have LSB, Amber[Light], kingjames and on my red suspects I have BM, Pandain and Crisis_ | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On October 08 2010 12:48 BrownBear wrote: Oh my god. Stop following BM's train of thought. It's not something intended to be in the game, and his logic is fundamentally flawed because 2 people sent out the PMs. I mean it. STOP IT. On October 08 2010 15:42 XeliN wrote: The only way I would come out openly about being 100% assured that Bill is a Green Town player is if I was also a Green Town player and could see right off the bat what he was attempting to achieve in his PM shenanigans. On October 08 2010 16:27 Bill Murray wrote: If anything your support of me should confirm you as a player. You were the only person to really pick up on what I was saying, other than perhaps InfiniteStory. I'd like to hear more on what he meant. I doubt he was claiming town as blue, but was claiming "town" as green. That's what I was doing, because it is a good strategy to weed out the greens through the word "town" On October 08 2010 17:01 Bill Murray wrote: it also is cool some people picked up on that, because some got them from BB I am sorry he worded his role pm that way, and I am not posting it or anything. I could be lying, right? It's all WIFOM. On October 08 2010 17:07 XeliN wrote: Dr claiming there is nothing of value whatsoever to be gleaned from the earlier PM discussions due to the fact it has now been revealed that 2 types were sent is false imo. Using them as a basis for argument may have flaws but the idea that they lack any merit whatsoever is not true. On October 08 2010 17:33 XeliN wrote: Oh I PM'd Brown asking if it was true that both him and Artanis sent out role PM's. At the time I found it quite suspicious and suspected it might have been a mafia invention in order to get out of what might have been viewed as an unfair position, I was apparently wrong and both did send out the PM's. Obviously back when I wrote that post if I had been told that Artanis did not send out PM's i'd of had quite alot to say... ![[image loading]](http://lonewolfsden.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/facepalm_picard_riker.jpg) My... god... It's like I'm not even being listened to. Bill Murray, please explain the thought process behind your posts. Did you even read anything I said? Why do you continue to push me? XeliN, don't encourage him. I meant it when I said that following BM's train of thought wasn't supposed to be in the game, and now you brought it back. Honestly, the only thing stopping me from modkilling you both right now is that it wasn't explicitly stated in the rules you couldn't talk about PMs. However, you both should know that it's heavily implied. Now stop it. | ||
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drag_
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CynanMachae
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On October 09 2010 02:01 drag_ wrote: I'm a little confused on the rules - If we vote double lynch today do we also kill someone? Or do we do nothing today and then kill two people tomorrow? Will make a better post in a short bit when I've had time to think. You vote for or against double lynch alongside your vote as to who to lynch today. Then, if more than 50% of people voted for double lynch, your chosen target is lynched today AND you get two lynches tomorrow. | ||
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drag_
England425 Posts
I guess I'll give a little insight into what I'm thinking: NuketheBunnys: This guy kinda seems a little clueless of the big picture, I'm not so sure on his analysis and his comments, he seems to focus on inactives. However, I think it's pretty fair to say he's town. The style of his writing and the way he comes off is very hard to fake imo, so I'd be fairly sure he's town. Say 85% BM: Asshole. Would be a definite target for tomorrow, however I'm unsure about him today. DocH + Pandain: I'm almost positive you two are either Blue or Red. There's something not quite right about both of you, but I can't put my finger on it. ATM I'm more inclined to agree that you're Blue, however I'm a little skeptical at your strong support of a double lynch. That said, I have no real reason to suspect your red - just a gut feeling you know? BM: asshole. That said, I feel you're pretty harmless. You clearly have this whole "TL Mafia" persona, from looking at your other posts outside of mafia. I feel that although he looks harmless, he needs to die. I hope he gets vigi'd but he would definitely be a target for me tomorrow. Xelin and Crisis_: These guys are shady. But I really no connection between the two of them - I have a feeling one of them is red and the other is green, however I can't put my finger on it. KingJames: Really got no read on you - you were really aggressive on day 1, but since then you've basically posted 0 content. This might be because you don't want to stick out - meaning you could either be taking orders from someone else, or you don't want to become a target. Really unsure about you. Other people really haven't been on my radar. These aren't meant to be taken as accusations, more just what's running through my head if you feel me. | ||
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Qatol
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NukeTheBunnys
United States1004 Posts
In any case keeping a close eye on the inactives should hopefully get them to post more so we have more evidence to work with. Im not sure about going for the double lynch yet. I didnt know that voting tonight meant we double lynch tomorrow, so I am much more open to the idea then I was when i thought that it would mean we would be killing 2 tonight, but overall Im still not sold. Here are some of my ideas about some of the other players BM- either a mafia or a town that is working against the town - needs to die Pandain - Blue/Green, posts good analysis about people and has been helpful to town, I dont trust anyone, but I trust him more then anyone else here Xelin - Very suspicious because of his support of BM and continued use of the whole PM junk even after brownbear has said that there is no weight to the evidence(since there are two people sending them out) CynanMachine - suspicious, I don't have enough evidence to really go after him, but I will be keeping a close eye on him cSc - Same as Cynan, but even more suspicious because he has posted even less. KingJames- good post about the voting, but otherwise has been pretty quite since day 1 don't quite know how to read it yet One more thing On October 09 2010 02:23 drag_ wrote: BM: Asshole. Would be a definite target for tomorrow, however I'm unsure about him today. BM: asshole. That said, I feel you're pretty harmless. You clearly have this whole "TL Mafia" persona, from looking at your other posts outside of mafia. I feel that although he looks harmless, he needs to die. I hope he gets vigi'd but he would definitely be a target for me tomorrow. WTF?!? call him an asshole, then say he is harmless(i disagree) then say you hope he gets vig killed and say he is a good target for tomorrow. talk about inconsistency, Contradicting yourself like 3 times in one post | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
Also, actually, how do Double Lynches work? If the majority votes for a double lynch today MUST the top two vote-getters die tomorrow? What if we realize that we don't have enough information to lynch two players? Will we have NO CHOICE except to lynch two players or can we choose to VETO and give up our right to make the Double Lynch? So far there are 6 votes for a double lynch. For these players, I want you to think to yourselves the following questions. Do each of you have enough evidence to condemn two Reds? Are you so SURE that they are mafia to risk sending them to their deaths? Do you think that you will get enough information to make that decision before tomorrow's vote? While I will support the idea of Double Lynches I won't vote for them until I'm sure that they will both be used in our best interest or that we can actually stop ourselves if we are unsure. Can we get an official ruling about this? | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
On October 09 2010 03:06 NukeTheBunnys wrote: Xelin - Very suspicious because of his support of BM and continued use of the whole PM junk Ok, This hypocrisy is rlly irritating me right now. You cannot get away with calling me out as being suspicious in this way. The only way I can respond to your post is by using a line of argument and subject matter that has been forbidden me. What Nuke is doing here IS continuing the banned subject matter in just the same way as I am alleged to be doing so. Surely I am not the only one that recognises this. To try to illustrate why, the response to this might show it better Nuke, explain fully what I am suspicious based on the reasons you stated, outline explicitely what you mean, the logical reasons why and the deductions you have drawn. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On October 09 2010 03:15 kingjames01 wrote: I don't understand this push for a double lynch. Just because we have the option to double lynch starting on Day 2 doesn't mean that we need to exercise it. What happens if mafia realize that our top 2 suspects are both Town and then stack the Double Lynch vote? If we're going to lynch 2 players, we BETTER BE SURE that they are mafia. Otherwise, we could lose 4 Greens/Blues by the following morning. Also, actually, how do Double Lynches work? If the majority votes for a double lynch today MUST the top two vote-getters die tomorrow? What if we realize that we don't have enough information to lynch two players? Will we have NO CHOICE except to lynch two players or can we choose to VETO and give up our right to make the Double Lynch? So far there are 6 votes for a double lynch. For these players, I want you to think to yourselves the following questions. Do each of you have enough evidence to condemn two Reds? Are you so SURE that they are mafia to risk sending them to their deaths? Do you think that you will get enough information to make that decision before tomorrow's vote? While I will support the idea of Double Lynches I won't vote for them until I'm sure that they will both be used in our best interest or that we can actually stop ourselves if we are unsure. Can we get an official ruling about this? Yes, if double lynch passes, the top 2 vote getters both die the next day. You cannot choose to veto your double lynch after it passes. | ||
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