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On October 06 2010 00:29 Crisis_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 22:57 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
Here is the list of people that have not posted so far, so we can get an idea of who the inactives are
1. JeeJee
2. bumatlarge
3. Bill Murray
10.SINiquity
11.XeliN
12.kane]deth[
15.infinitestory
16.cSc
20.drag_
21.CynanMachine
I did not count 1 line post with no real content. A bit less then half the people have posted by now with most of the content from a small group of people(~OpZ~,Amber[LighT].Divinek and Misder and some others) If we choose to vote inactive, we currently have quite the pool to choose from Well, these inactives are the candidates that I'm in favor of voting of. And yea, I'm new, so I'm probably shit at this game rofl. I wouldn't be surprised if I screwed up the whole game. I've attempted to give advice to the DT, but now I'm not so sure if it was a great idea or not.
Well... I won't discourage your posting, since anything is useful at this point... but the DT can't even act until Night 2... so if you are attempting to aid the blue roles in making decisions, try the medic 
On that note... not only cops but I think protective roles should read up on http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_the_Cop like Infund suggested... just to mess with the red's heads a little more... please don't be obvious about tells but just keep them in mind.
Of that list... the only ones that strike me as odd are JeeJee and Xelin, since I think they're usually around. Perhaps because of the late start, BrownBear should send them little nudges through PM's that the games started?
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Hi guys, I'm generally going to be posting around this time as it fits my time zone/schedule better 
I don't really understand the point of voting inactives off? I'm new at this game, but surely that just makes it really easy for the mafia to avoid getting voted off for the first few rounds. Unless they're just really lazy...
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On October 06 2010 01:47 drag_ wrote:Hi guys, I'm generally going to be posting around this time as it fits my time zone/schedule better I don't really understand the point of voting inactives off? I'm new at this game, but surely that just makes it really easy for the mafia to avoid getting voted off for the first few rounds. Unless they're just really lazy...
the idea is to not truly hang someone that has barely posted. Put to pressure someone with the threat of killing them should they not speak up.
You are correct we NEVER get a mafia by killing someone that doesn't talk. This is because mafia have their buddies to help them out, and generally mafia players are more interested in the game so they will respond to pressure.
Now obviously responding to pressure is a trait of every role in the game. But too many times there is a mafia in the lower what 10% of activity that manages to slip by because NO ONE pressures them, this is what we want to avoid. It is very difficult to find a mafia member if they don't have to talk. And they only have one motivation to talk, not to die.
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oh right there's only 11 hours left
##vote CynanMachine
SPEAK UP BOY, if he doesnt ill have to look at someone that isnt going to get mod killed
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Divinek, there's a voting thread <3
Also, I have nudged everyone who hasn't posted so far. I will be gone at classes for the next 5 hours or so, so I will not be available until later, but feel free to PM me with questions and I will answer them before the day cycle ends. Remember that you must both post in this thread, and vote in the voting thread, to avoid my wrath. 11 hours left in this day cycle!
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oh shit sorry lol, ive just played too many games in a row without one! thanks for reminding me
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On October 06 2010 01:54 Divinek wrote:
##vote CynanMachine
At least you could get my name right (but I would blame it on that list <<)
And whoever said that I haven't posted, I did. It wasn't anytihng much useful but still.
On October 06 2010 00:21 NukeTheBunnys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 15:13 CynanMachae wrote:
Well if random pick is chosen, how would you suggest doing it so that it's fair and objective?
And Misder, there isn't really much red hunting possible on the first day... Is Cynan's only post thus far, so he is not completely inactive. However due to trying to convince people you cant hunt reds the first day, and trying to stay below the radar by posting the bare minimum, I am accusing him of being Mafia. Defend yourself or get lynched.
I didn't say you can't do anything, but yes, one the first day it's very hard to find much because if red play somewhat semi-decently there isn't enough speculation around to have enough hints that someone is red. But sure if you have any suspisions share them.
I'm going to vote for an inactive as well, I don't like the random method, cause it does seems to me that its kinda hard to achieve anything with that. And like DrH said, saying that we are voting for an inactive force them to post, and force them to put stuff around that can be analyzed if they are indeed red. Voting agaisnt random doesn't accomplish anything cause it doesn't force them to do anything, just wait.
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CynanMachine is leading in votes, best start talking.
Also can you change your vote after submitting it. There is the "You cannot autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon." rule but Im wondering if you can vote to really pressure some one into talking/trying to defend them self then If they do respond to your satisfaction change your vote to someone you think is more likely?
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On October 06 2010 00:48 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 00:29 Crisis_ wrote:On October 05 2010 22:57 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
Here is the list of people that have not posted so far, so we can get an idea of who the inactives are
1. JeeJee
2. bumatlarge
3. Bill Murray
10.SINiquity
11.XeliN
12.kane]deth[
15.infinitestory
16.cSc
20.drag_
21.CynanMachine
I did not count 1 line post with no real content. A bit less then half the people have posted by now with most of the content from a small group of people(~OpZ~,Amber[LighT].Divinek and Misder and some others) If we choose to vote inactive, we currently have quite the pool to choose from Well, these inactives are the candidates that I'm in favor of voting of. And yea, I'm new, so I'm probably shit at this game rofl. I wouldn't be surprised if I screwed up the whole game. I've attempted to give advice to the DT, but now I'm not so sure if it was a great idea or not. Well... I won't discourage your posting, since anything is useful at this point... but the DT can't even act until Night 2... so if you are attempting to aid the blue roles in making decisions, try the medic On that note... not only cops but I think protective roles should read up on http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_the_Cop like Infund suggested... just to mess with the red's heads a little more... please don't be obvious about tells but just keep them in mind. Of that list... the only ones that strike me as odd are JeeJee and Xelin, since I think they're usually around. Perhaps because of the late start, BrownBear should send them little nudges through PM's that the games started?
True we should probably work on making sure that the medic is set up. It wouldn't surprise me if an inactive is the medic since it makes no sense for active players to risk getting killed while at the same time providing the town with insight. That should be done by the townies (who a bunch are still snoozing!!!!!).
The top 5 on that list will probably speak by the end of the day. Due to past mafia experience they always maintain a low presence and will erupt come tomorrow as though this massive amount of information will be gathered by tomorrow.
I'm interested to hear about why we should lynch certain people though. I mean the current active town can just hang out and start spitting out names of inactive players but you should be defending your right to stay alive through this lynch....
I'm still on the fence as to how this vote should go, but we need to have a decent plan going into day 2 as well for how voting procedure should take place. This could happen tomorrow when the other players decide to finally become active.
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On October 06 2010 02:14 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
CynanMachine is leading in votes, best start talking.
Also can you change your vote after submitting it. There is the "You cannot autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon." rule but Im wondering if you can vote to really pressure some one into talking/trying to defend them self then If they do respond to your satisfaction change your vote to someone you think is more likely?
that is exactly the idea here actually. It makes someone look pretty bad if someone defends them self adequately and they keep their vote on that person
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On October 06 2010 02:14 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
Also can you change your vote after submitting it. There is the "You cannot autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon." rule but Im wondering if you can vote to really pressure some one into talking/trying to defend them self then If they do respond to your satisfaction change your vote to someone you think is more likely?
Because Brownbear put me in the day 1 post, I'm going to assume he doesn't mind if I clarify the rules that I have worked with before.
Yes. You can change your vote whenever you feel like it (until voting closes). The "autochange" rule means that you can't do something like say "I vote for Ace, but if Ver ties Ace in votes, I change my vote to Ver." Also, you cannot do something like say "I want my vote on the person in second place." You have to come in and vote for a specific person (or people in the case of a double lynch). If you feel like changing your vote to someone else, make a new post (do NOT edit your old post! - editing posts is not allowed in mafia games) saying that you are no longer voting for Ace and are now voting for Ver. You can do that any time until the voting closes and you may do it as many times as you want.
We should probably rewrite that rule at some point because it is a little confusing.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2010 02:47 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 02:14 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
Also can you change your vote after submitting it. There is the "You cannot autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon." rule but Im wondering if you can vote to really pressure some one into talking/trying to defend them self then If they do respond to your satisfaction change your vote to someone you think is more likely? Because Brownbear put me in the day 1 post, I'm going to assume he doesn't mind if I clarify the rules that I have worked with before. Yes. You can change your vote whenever you feel like it (until voting closes). The "autochange" rule means that you can't do something like say "I vote for Ace, but if Ver ties Ace in votes, I change my vote to Ver." Also, you cannot do something like say "I want my vote on the person in second place." You have to come in and vote for a specific person (or people in the case of a double lynch). If you feel like changing your vote to someone else, make a new post (do NOT edit your old post! - editing posts is not allowed in mafia games) saying that you are no longer voting for Ace and are now voting for Ver. You can do that any time until the voting closes and you may do it as many times as you want.We should probably rewrite that rule at some point because it is a little confusing.
Thank you. That is more or less what I thought was the case, but I wanted some clarification.
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(posting from class Everything Qatol said is correct. Thanks, Qatol!
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On October 06 2010 02:13 CynanMachae wrote:At least you could get my name right (but I would blame it on that list <<) And whoever said that I haven't posted, I did. It wasn't anytihng much useful but still. Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 00:21 NukeTheBunnys wrote:On October 04 2010 15:13 CynanMachae wrote:
Well if random pick is chosen, how would you suggest doing it so that it's fair and objective?
And Misder, there isn't really much red hunting possible on the first day... Is Cynan's only post thus far, so he is not completely inactive. However due to trying to convince people you cant hunt reds the first day, and trying to stay below the radar by posting the bare minimum, I am accusing him of being Mafia. Defend yourself or get lynched. I didn't say you can't do anything, but yes, one the first day it's very hard to find much because if red play somewhat semi-decently there isn't enough speculation around to have enough hints that someone is red. But sure if you have any suspisions share them. I'm going to vote for an inactive as well, I don't like the random method, cause it does seems to me that its kinda hard to achieve anything with that. And like DrH said, saying that we are voting for an inactive force them to post, and force them to put stuff around that can be analyzed if they are indeed red. Voting agaisnt random doesn't accomplish anything cause it doesn't force them to do anything, just wait.
besides the fact that i think it would be hilarious if 1/3rd of the game got mod killed, i really dont want it to ruin the game  . I have a feeling alot of these sneaky people will squeak in in the last few hours with one post and a vote, ive got my eye on you guys!
also im so sorry for fucking up your name, i hate when people do that. But i even looked at your name as i typed out my vote lol, you just have one of those names where people are so used to reading it as something else they will just see it as how they want.
Also you are now not going to be modkilled and still my best choice for a lynch. You'll have to convince me someone else is a better candidate than yourself.
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At this point in time I would have to say that NuketheBunny's current strategy is pretty blatant and although I don't completely agree with how he's going about doing it, I would have to say I would like to get the more experience inactives to say something. I'm seeing some of the newer players being earnest in their attempt to play (ex: kingjames01) and this is a good sign. As they are much newer I wouldn't expect them to contribute as much.
We're only 3 pages into this game so far however and although I believe we're jumping the gun on the entire: lynch inactives. We are left with the problem of only 11 hours left in this game and plenty of inactives though so if we must come to an accord quickly for our lynch. Random Lynch is a good option in this game as we have many newer players which also explains the high number of inactives.
Oh god I'm terribly sorry about how unorganized this post is, I'm brain dead at the moment. :/
What I mean to say is that this day is short, we have lots of new players who are inactive, we should random lynch because many players haven't been given a proper chance to post as of yet.
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Given my schedule I'll be posting from about now till... well hopefully until the day ends. Seeing as how I'm new I guess this lynch the inactive's makes sense, and to avoid being one of the first ones to go, Here I am!
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Alright, It's panda time.
The Magical Bamboo: A panda's narrative in eastern China.
The first thing Panda noticed was that people were changing the fabric of time and altering events which are very important for The Wise Panda Sage in order to analyze. The Wise Panda Sage detailed to his panda disciples in one very concise statement:
"PANDAPANDAPANDAPANDA NO EDITING PANDAPANDAPANDAPANDA"
Brown"Panda"Bear followed these teachings and told all of his fellow Starcraft 2 players that editing was not allowed.
Said the BrownBear:
On September 08 2010 13:30 BrownBear wrote:
7. Editing posts. Editing posts is not allowed for any reason. The mods can see your edits, and if you are caught, you will look suspicious. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be owned.Please do not edit; this is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything.
This Panda had learned in PandaHistory Class. But now, as he sat in the majesty that is The Ultimate Council, he saw another Panda, CynanMachae, being accused of working with the dreadful PandaPoachers. But Panda was hesitant, so he went to The Wise Panda Sage, who looked through time to see CynanMachae's previous history, and found them to be consistant with his current play. The Wise Panda Sage gave to Panda his analysis.
1.Cynan Machae's previous play is characterized as 3-4 sentence long posts every now and then, with a long post happening once or twice a game. While Panda noted this does not mean he's innocent, and indeed Panda was watching him closely, it does mean we should take this into context.
Then Panda stopped speaking in Panda Tongue because its hard to write good analysis of people and/or subjects with analogies to concepts. So Panda beheaded the writer and lived happily ever after.
End Story
Alright, so a couple of things one thing in particular that's been brought up which I shall now address.
1.While originally I was in support of DT claiming if he found red, I now believe we should not. With 5 mafia, DT's will be a very useful addition to regular scum hunting. In addition, if he does not claim but merely post up an analysis of that person and convince everyone he's mafia, then mafia don't even know that he is definitely DT. If said DT does get a mafia lynched, medics can/perhaps should
protect him just in case. If you know someone's mafia while you haven't managed to convince people without saying "I'm DT and I checked him", then you should, as it will still mean we will be only one mafia away from lowering mafia (regular) kp to 1. So that's my input there.
Who to Lynch Today:
Alright, so not everyone has posted, meaning some are definitely going to get modkilled. That is not good. Here's the list of inactives in my eyes
+ Show Spoiler +1. JeeJee
2. bumatlarge
3. Bill Murray-excuse, but is it unexecused????!!! Dundundun!
10.SINiquity
11.XeliN
12.kane]deth[
15.infinitestory
16.cSc. Still needs to post content.
20.drag_- seems confused =D. Its alright, at first I thought mafia was a UMS BW custom map. XD(I mean, I just kept hearing people say “Infested Terran and DT)
7 people have not posted(the bolded ones.) I don't count Cynan as inactive and Nobody should vote for him because his actions thus far are in accordance with his previous play. That's not to say I'm not watching him(I am) but he's not that suspicious to me.
While I believe at least 3 of those inactives will eventually post, I am hesitant to lynch someone who will be modkilled. However, I can find no sufficient evidence as of now to suggest one of the active is mafia. So as of now we have a few possible people, so I will RNG between the inactives, and it is:
Xelin.
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On October 06 2010 05:04 SouthRawrea wrote:
At this point in time I would have to say that NuketheBunny's current strategy is pretty blatant and although I don't completely agree with how he's going about doing it, I would have to say I would like to get the more experience inactives to say something. I'm seeing some of the newer players being earnest in their attempt to play (ex: kingjames01) and this is a good sign. As they are much newer I wouldn't expect them to contribute as much.
We're only 3 pages into this game so far however and although I believe we're jumping the gun on the entire: lynch inactives. We are left with the problem of only 11 hours left in this game and plenty of inactives though so if we must come to an accord quickly for our lynch. Random Lynch is a good option in this game as we have many newer players which also explains the high number of inactives.
Oh god I'm terribly sorry about how unorganized this post is, I'm brain dead at the moment. :/
What I mean to say is that this day is short, we have lots of new players who are inactive, we should random lynch because many players haven't been given a proper chance to post as of yet.
you're resorting to random voting with 6 hours left in the day? -_-;;;;;;;; cord worm
i dont understand the system you're proposing, should everyone roll a random number? that'd be retarded, should everyone do it and then the person who gets the most similar RNGS be lynched? that's also bad because mafia can manipulate that. Even trying to scum hunt on very little information is alot better than being able to vote WITHOUT having to justify it, this is the way a scum would want to vote.
we get NOTHING from today if everyone just RNG's their vote. But if you have to justify what you're doing (all be it most people would be like ' he's inactive lols' ) it gives you something to go off of, something to compare to future instances, some SUBSTANCE.
If people are making small shitty posts to justify their votes, and then not removing them when the person is like HEY GUYS im here, and we should do this this and this. Then they look bad. But if they do this with your system you can just go LOL SRY I RNG'D. Or are you gonna re rng everytime someone speaks up? -___-
it's a terrible system
I know your play from many games south so i wont try to go too insane from one little thing like this but cmon man.
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though i do support what pandain is doing rng'ing amongst the inactives if that is the way you're going to vote because at least that makes sense. I mean i picked my guy because he had a long name, and look it got him posting! well he made one shitty post but still it worked
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Okay, this is probably premature to be suspicious of other players, but Crisis_, you're saying some really intriguing things.
On October 05 2010 12:03 Crisis_ wrote:I'm in favor of voting inactives. It forces people to talk, leading to more communication. As mentioned before, communication is a step forward in helping us to determine scum. Show nested quote +I'd have to agree with most of this. Mafia often snipe the quiet folk as they are often medics or other good power-roles. In my first game on TL where we were mafia that was one of the tell-tale signs of the medic we sniped. I'd also agree with you on the DT building an argument but I'm against claiming at this point in time until the DT builds up a few more reports. He can't just let his reports do the work for him; he has to be a proactive townie. As for the DTs, I agree with most of this. A DT that plays the role of a proactive townie will be diffused amongst the crowd, instead of being a sitting duck to the mafia's quiet-sniping tendencies.
I completely agree with you about encouraging more communication to flush out the mafia, but I disagree with looking in the inactive list. Since mafia don't want to stand out, they will not be among those who just post and vote right before the deadline.
Also, your assessment about the DT makes me think like you're mafia, pretending to sound like a townie. Pointing out the obvious without really saying anything. Are you really trying to give advice or are you trying to flush him out? My advice to the DT is to stay hidden. Your skills will be best used if no one knows who you are for sure.
On October 05 2010 14:05 Crisis_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 12:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 05 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm here. I just started my first day of work, so I don't know if I'll be able to be as active as I have in the past. Haven't gotten to read the thread yet, as I just worked a twelve hour day, but I promise I'll make an informed post tomorrow. Yea, uh huh. I believe it, but come on BM! On October 05 2010 12:03 Crisis_ wrote:I'm in favor of voting inactives. It forces people to talk, leading to more communication. As mentioned before, communication is a step forward in helping us to determine scum. I'd have to agree with most of this. Mafia often snipe the quiet folk as they are often medics or other good power-roles. In my first game on TL where we were mafia that was one of the tell-tale signs of the medic we sniped. I'd also agree with you on the DT building an argument but I'm against claiming at this point in time until the DT builds up a few more reports. He can't just let his reports do the work for him; he has to be a proactive townie. As for the DTs, I agree with most of this. A DT that plays the role of a proactive townie will be diffused amongst the crowd, instead of being a sitting duck to the mafia's quiet-sniping tendencies. K, I'll be voting you in a second Crisis_.... How nice of you to vote for me. Glad to know that your vote will be a waste, since: 1. I am participating in active discussion to try to help town and give advice to the DT, I wouldn't be doing this if I were scum. 2. There are better candidates to be lynched, i.e. inactives.
Here, you sound like you could be town, but you're acting as though your actions don't make you suspicious when in fact they do. "I wouldn't be doing this if I were scum." is exactly what scum would say. On the first day, townies should be worried about being accused of being scum, and you're claiming the opposite. I don't understand. Maybe you should restate your opinions and give me better reasons to trust your motives.
On October 06 2010 00:29 Crisis_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 22:57 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
Here is the list of people that have not posted so far, so we can get an idea of who the inactives are
1. JeeJee
2. bumatlarge
3. Bill Murray
10.SINiquity
11.XeliN
12.kane]deth[
15.infinitestory
16.cSc
20.drag_
21.CynanMachine
I did not count 1 line post with no real content. A bit less then half the people have posted by now with most of the content from a small group of people(~OpZ~,Amber[LighT].Divinek and Misder and some others) If we choose to vote inactive, we currently have quite the pool to choose from Well, these inactives are the candidates that I'm in favor of voting of. And yea, I'm new, so I'm probably shit at this game rofl. I wouldn't be surprised if I screwed up the whole game. I've attempted to give advice to the DT, but now I'm not so sure if it was a great idea or not.
Finally, here you're playing off your earlier posts as though you don't know any better. Is it possible that once you received feedback, you realized that you were actually overcompensating?
I don't have any real chance of choosing mafia with a random number generator. Instead I've been reading through the first day's posts and, to be honest, your words just don't ring true.
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