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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
September 05 2010 06:54 GMT
#1661
Wah, why not track Divine who can no longer visit? Oh well.

Im thinking pandain and divine as the last two scum after skimming the thread again. Or Fishball and rasta, because RB might not exist? Too many scenarios...

On September 05 2010 12:41 SiNiquity wrote:
It wouldn't make sense any other way. If Rasta's town, then town controls the CV, the most powerful role in the game. If you were Mafia, and with Darth as CopyCat, the Day Vig is the weapon to have and was my largest fear in Radfield's plan - that the Day Vig would pop the CV, sacrificing himself but giving the CV to Mafia undercover. But instead Darth ended up with a Role at position 18 - the Mason.

So in my opinion, Rasta and Divinek is impossible.

Is this 100%? No. Mafia could just be terrible.


Yeah that seems to good to mess up, I mean 1 mafia for extra KP is huge. The most logical kill would then be divine. If hes red, then we can probably label rasta as town, and town basically wins. But if div is town, then we are at the same stage we are now. Im betting citizen gets killed and fishball gets blocked, so stalling via killing rasta is kinda pointless if its only for blues to get more checks. Kill divine and if he doesnt pop red, have rasta kill BB.

##vote divinek
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 05 2010 13:03 GMT
#1662
Alright, since Fishball was roleblocked I'm going to go back with voting Brownbear. I mean, if there is no roleblocker than you caught at least two of them (rastaban and Fishball.) So here

If Brownbear is town:
CV shoots me, fishball checks someone unconfirmed (but doesn't have gun)

Fish ball reveals results, and we also lynch Fishball.
Than we lynch Rastaban, as Fishball will show up red.


Any opinons? If not, I'm voting for Brownbear in 4 hours.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
September 05 2010 14:00 GMT
#1663
On September 05 2010 15:54 bumatlarge wrote:
Wah, why not track Divine who can no longer visit? Oh well.

Im thinking pandain and divine as the last two scum after skimming the thread again. Or Fishball and rasta, because RB might not exist? Too many scenarios...

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 12:41 SiNiquity wrote:
It wouldn't make sense any other way. If Rasta's town, then town controls the CV, the most powerful role in the game. If you were Mafia, and with Darth as CopyCat, the Day Vig is the weapon to have and was my largest fear in Radfield's plan - that the Day Vig would pop the CV, sacrificing himself but giving the CV to Mafia undercover. But instead Darth ended up with a Role at position 18 - the Mason.

So in my opinion, Rasta and Divinek is impossible.

Is this 100%? No. Mafia could just be terrible.


Yeah that seems to good to mess up, I mean 1 mafia for extra KP is huge. The most logical kill would then be divine. If hes red, then we can probably label rasta as town, and town basically wins. But if div is town, then we are at the same stage we are now. Im betting citizen gets killed and fishball gets blocked, so stalling via killing rasta is kinda pointless if its only for blues to get more checks. Kill divine and if he doesnt pop red, have rasta kill BB.

##vote divinek

Divinek will always show up as not moving since he has a role.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
September 05 2010 14:21 GMT
#1664
On September 05 2010 22:03 Pandain wrote:
Alright, since Fishball was roleblocked I'm going to go back with voting Brownbear. I mean, if there is no roleblocker than you caught at least two of them (rastaban and Fishball.) So here

If Brownbear is town:
CV shoots me, fishball checks someone unconfirmed (but doesn't have gun)

Fish ball reveals results, and we also lynch Fishball.
Than we lynch Rastaban, as Fishball will show up red.


Any opinons? If not, I'm voting for Brownbear in 4 hours.

...So...we kill you...if brown bear is town.....then we kill fishball...to prove his results....when...almost all of his results have been on Chaosers ELF list....or died....like the only one that wasn't....JeeJee...

@______________@

What part of that do you not get.

EVERYONE, with the exception of JeeJee, that Fishball has checked, has already been proven innocent by CHAOSER. Killing fishball to prove he's right is STUPID, because everyone he checked is ALREADY PROVEN innocent by Chaoser and Death.

Then you ASK to be killed, and CLAIM to be town?

WTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTF

citizen, I want your lynch opinions.

Everyones being quiet and afraid to post, and Pandain is just giving me a head ache. Like...I like the guy, but omg. Wtf...Have you even read my last post beyond the vote for you? I've done explained...
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
September 05 2010 14:26 GMT
#1665
Citizen....Have you tracked Fishball this game?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
September 05 2010 14:38 GMT
#1666
On September 01 2010 22:16 citi.zen wrote:
To keep track of it all:

#1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2
#2 Chaoser --- Bad Santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge
#3 LSB --- traitor, claims to have gotten visited night 2
#4 Hesmyrr --- Picked CV, got Vanilla
#5 Zeks --- Role Cop, SK
#6 Southrawrea --- Picked Traitor but got vanilla
#7 Subversion --- probably Picked Role Cop but did not get it
#8 Fishball --- Claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2
#9 Opz --- Claimed Meth Man after claiming Tracker, ELF, no gun according to Fishball Then he claimed medic?
#10 Citizen --- Tracker, ELF, JeeJee to DTA night one, saw Chaoser stand still night 2
#11 BrownBear
#12 JeeJee - Can travel, visited DTA night 1, DTA said he did not get role blocked
#13 DarthThienAn - Claimed JeeJee is not RB
#14 siNiquity --- ELF, no gun according to Fishball
#15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1
#16 Radfield --- DEAD VANILLA ELF
#17 Bill Murray --- Mason
#18 Bumatlarge --- Watcher, ELF, saw 4 people visit Zeks night 1and one visit LSB night 2
#19 Pandain --- Claimed Pardoner, then Martyr, then pardoner again, then said it was all a joke


Rastaban, OpZ, Citizen, Bumatlarge, SiNiquity.

Pandain, BrownBear, Fishball, Divinek.

Wait...we outnumber...awesome. Nevermind. Games pretty in the bag even if we fuck up. 5 confirmed townies on top, 2 hidden townies on bot.

I'm down with lynching BrownBear, killing divinek tonight.

Only possible choices for mafia are pandain, brownbear, fishball, and divinek. And if Pandain is actually martyr...well, protect citizen Pandain, and you will be proven town. =D
Just assuming Rasta is town because he did POP DTA, and Roleblocking fishball....well...FoS Pandain.

Coulda RB'd the person POPPING your mafia brother, but instead RB Fishball?

=/
Anyway...I still wanna hear citizen...And Fishball out of town? -_____-
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 05 2010 15:12 GMT
#1667
On September 05 2010 23:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 22:03 Pandain wrote:
Alright, since Fishball was roleblocked I'm going to go back with voting Brownbear. I mean, if there is no roleblocker than you caught at least two of them (rastaban and Fishball.) So here

If Brownbear is town:
CV shoots me, fishball checks someone unconfirmed (but doesn't have gun)

Fish ball reveals results, and we also lynch Fishball.
Than we lynch Rastaban, as Fishball will show up red.


Any opinons? If not, I'm voting for Brownbear in 4 hours.

...So...we kill you...if brown bear is town.....then we kill fishball...to prove his results....when...almost all of his results have been on Chaosers ELF list....or died....like the only one that wasn't....JeeJee...

@______________@

What part of that do you not get.

EVERYONE, with the exception of JeeJee, that Fishball has checked, has already been proven innocent by CHAOSER. Killing fishball to prove he's right is STUPID, because everyone he checked is ALREADY PROVEN innocent by Chaoser and Death.

Then you ASK to be killed, and CLAIM to be town?

WTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTF

citizen, I want your lynch opinions.

Everyones being quiet and afraid to post, and Pandain is just giving me a head ache. Like...I like the guy, but omg. Wtf...Have you even read my last post beyond the vote for you? I've done explained...


I meant for Fishball to check someone besides me, who is unconfirmed, and then we lynch him in the day and find one more confirmed/one less unconfirmed. But as I see now it would be pointless as I'm the only unconfirmed role who is (at least claiming) a non gun role. Therefore, Fishball will be useless from now on.

I'm asking to be killed IF Brownbear is not roleblocker. Because then we either I willl have to be roleblocker or Fishball and Rastaban are both Mafia(and lied.)

So actually perhaps Rastaban killing me tonight and then we lynch Rasta in the morning? Of course if Rasta is mafia and there is no roleblocker than most likely he will claim to have been roleblocked. So perhaps even citizen can track me and see there was no roleblocker.... So maybe:
1.Lynch Brownbear, and if he's town than have CV kill Divinek, and have tracker track me(thus no roleblocking), and then we lynch Rastaban in the morning. Than you guys can lynch me and Fishball. I'd prefer to stay alive as long as I can, its true, since I am martyr. But on the basis of objectiveness I'm trying to find a plan that will ensure town victory even in the case in which I am mafia.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 05 2010 15:13 GMT
#1668
On September 05 2010 23:38 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 22:16 citi.zen wrote:
To keep track of it all:

#1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2
#2 Chaoser --- Bad Santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge
#3 LSB --- traitor, claims to have gotten visited night 2
#4 Hesmyrr --- Picked CV, got Vanilla
#5 Zeks --- Role Cop, SK
#6 Southrawrea --- Picked Traitor but got vanilla
#7 Subversion --- probably Picked Role Cop but did not get it
#8 Fishball --- Claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2
#9 Opz --- Claimed Meth Man after claiming Tracker, ELF, no gun according to Fishball Then he claimed medic?
#10 Citizen --- Tracker, ELF, JeeJee to DTA night one, saw Chaoser stand still night 2
#11 BrownBear
#12 JeeJee - Can travel, visited DTA night 1, DTA said he did not get role blocked
#13 DarthThienAn - Claimed JeeJee is not RB
#14 siNiquity --- ELF, no gun according to Fishball
#15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1
#16 Radfield --- DEAD VANILLA ELF
#17 Bill Murray --- Mason
#18 Bumatlarge --- Watcher, ELF, saw 4 people visit Zeks night 1and one visit LSB night 2
#19 Pandain --- Claimed Pardoner, then Martyr, then pardoner again, then said it was all a joke


Rastaban, OpZ, Citizen, Bumatlarge, SiNiquity.

Pandain, BrownBear, Fishball, Divinek.

Wait...we outnumber...awesome. Nevermind. Games pretty in the bag even if we fuck up. 5 confirmed townies on top, 2 hidden townies on bot.

I'm down with lynching BrownBear, killing divinek tonight.

Only possible choices for mafia are pandain, brownbear, fishball, and divinek. And if Pandain is actually martyr...well, protect citizen Pandain, and you will be proven town. =D
Just assuming Rasta is town because he did POP DTA, and Roleblocking fishball....well...FoS Pandain.

Coulda RB'd the person POPPING your mafia brother, but instead RB Fishball?

=/
Anyway...I still wanna hear citizen...And Fishball out of town? -_____-


Also, we don't outnumber them sadly. Its 5 unconfirmed to 4 confirmed, your counting rastaban as confirmed.

Argh... if only Citizen had tracked Brownbear we would've had this game in the bag(as we could've told whether he's roleblocker or not.)

WHY CITIZEN WHY!!!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 05 2010 15:50 GMT
#1669
Alright I've been thinking. In the case that Brownbear isn't mafia(even though I think he is) Rastaban will be mafia. I suppose having the CV be mafia will just be too dangerous(as mafia will be able to take out two unconfirmed if I fail at martyring).

Alternatively, Brownbear could be mafia and I am roleblocker, but I think the fact that if Citizen had done what I told him to we would've won at least adds some pro town points for me.
##Vote Rastaban.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 05 2010 15:51 GMT
#1670
EBWOP: Alternatively, Brownbear could be town and I am roleblocker*
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
September 05 2010 16:19 GMT
#1671
On September 06 2010 00:13 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 23:38 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On September 01 2010 22:16 citi.zen wrote:
To keep track of it all:

#1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2
#2 Chaoser --- Bad Santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge
#3 LSB --- traitor, claims to have gotten visited night 2
#4 Hesmyrr --- Picked CV, got Vanilla
#5 Zeks --- Role Cop, SK
#6 Southrawrea --- Picked Traitor but got vanilla
#7 Subversion --- probably Picked Role Cop but did not get it
#8 Fishball --- Claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2
#9 Opz --- Claimed Meth Man after claiming Tracker, ELF, no gun according to Fishball Then he claimed medic?
#10 Citizen --- Tracker, ELF, JeeJee to DTA night one, saw Chaoser stand still night 2
#11 BrownBear
#12 JeeJee - Can travel, visited DTA night 1, DTA said he did not get role blocked
#13 DarthThienAn - Claimed JeeJee is not RB
#14 siNiquity --- ELF, no gun according to Fishball
#15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1
#16 Radfield --- DEAD VANILLA ELF
#17 Bill Murray --- Mason
#18 Bumatlarge --- Watcher, ELF, saw 4 people visit Zeks night 1and one visit LSB night 2
#19 Pandain --- Claimed Pardoner, then Martyr, then pardoner again, then said it was all a joke


Rastaban, OpZ, Citizen, Bumatlarge, SiNiquity.

Pandain, BrownBear, Fishball, Divinek.

Wait...we outnumber...awesome. Nevermind. Games pretty in the bag even if we fuck up. 5 confirmed townies on top, 2 hidden townies on bot.

I'm down with lynching BrownBear, killing divinek tonight.

Only possible choices for mafia are pandain, brownbear, fishball, and divinek. And if Pandain is actually martyr...well, protect citizen Pandain, and you will be proven town. =D
Just assuming Rasta is town because he did POP DTA, and Roleblocking fishball....well...FoS Pandain.

Coulda RB'd the person POPPING your mafia brother, but instead RB Fishball?

=/
Anyway...I still wanna hear citizen...And Fishball out of town? -_____-


Also, we don't outnumber them sadly. Its 5 unconfirmed to 4 confirmed, your counting rastaban as confirmed.

Argh... if only Citizen had tracked Brownbear we would've had this game in the bag(as we could've told whether he's roleblocker or not.)

WHY CITIZEN WHY!!!

In case you haven't noticed, nobody claimed to be role-blocked.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
September 05 2010 16:20 GMT
#1672
## Vote Fishball
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
September 05 2010 16:26 GMT
#1673
On September 06 2010 01:20 citi.zen wrote:
## Vote Fishball

Fishball did...And you ignoring my posts...

@_@
?!
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
September 05 2010 16:39 GMT
#1674
On September 06 2010 01:19 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 00:13 Pandain wrote:
On September 05 2010 23:38 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On September 01 2010 22:16 citi.zen wrote:
To keep track of it all:

#1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2
#2 Chaoser --- Bad Santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge
#3 LSB --- traitor, claims to have gotten visited night 2
#4 Hesmyrr --- Picked CV, got Vanilla
#5 Zeks --- Role Cop, SK
#6 Southrawrea --- Picked Traitor but got vanilla
#7 Subversion --- probably Picked Role Cop but did not get it
#8 Fishball --- Claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2
#9 Opz --- Claimed Meth Man after claiming Tracker, ELF, no gun according to Fishball Then he claimed medic?
#10 Citizen --- Tracker, ELF, JeeJee to DTA night one, saw Chaoser stand still night 2
#11 BrownBear
#12 JeeJee - Can travel, visited DTA night 1, DTA said he did not get role blocked
#13 DarthThienAn - Claimed JeeJee is not RB
#14 siNiquity --- ELF, no gun according to Fishball
#15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1
#16 Radfield --- DEAD VANILLA ELF
#17 Bill Murray --- Mason
#18 Bumatlarge --- Watcher, ELF, saw 4 people visit Zeks night 1and one visit LSB night 2
#19 Pandain --- Claimed Pardoner, then Martyr, then pardoner again, then said it was all a joke


Rastaban, OpZ, Citizen, Bumatlarge, SiNiquity.

Pandain, BrownBear, Fishball, Divinek.

Wait...we outnumber...awesome. Nevermind. Games pretty in the bag even if we fuck up. 5 confirmed townies on top, 2 hidden townies on bot.

I'm down with lynching BrownBear, killing divinek tonight.

Only possible choices for mafia are pandain, brownbear, fishball, and divinek. And if Pandain is actually martyr...well, protect citizen Pandain, and you will be proven town. =D
Just assuming Rasta is town because he did POP DTA, and Roleblocking fishball....well...FoS Pandain.

Coulda RB'd the person POPPING your mafia brother, but instead RB Fishball?

=/
Anyway...I still wanna hear citizen...And Fishball out of town? -_____-


Also, we don't outnumber them sadly. Its 5 unconfirmed to 4 confirmed, your counting rastaban as confirmed.

Argh... if only Citizen had tracked Brownbear we would've had this game in the bag(as we could've told whether he's roleblocker or not.)

WHY CITIZEN WHY!!!

In case you haven't noticed, nobody claimed to be role-blocked.


Fishball was roleblocked, so he couldn't check Pandain, which is annoying.

Don't understand why you are voting for him.
SUNSFANNED
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 05 2010 17:53 GMT
#1675
Fun Fact: The 4 mafia thing probably is a slip up then by Darth. I would assume there are 4 mafia (or two left.)

My guesses:
Either Brownbear and Rastaban/Divinek
Fishball/Rastaban

Also, Fishball was indeed roleblocked. I'd still like to hear more feedback on whether we should lynch the CV. I'm thinking we should to avoid a situation in which he is mafia.
SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
September 05 2010 18:46 GMT
#1676
Do not vote for anyone. I may have something verry important (coming in just a few minutes).
'i' before 'e' except after 'c' ~ it's scientifically proven.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 05 2010 18:48 GMT
#1677
On September 06 2010 03:46 SiNiquity wrote:
Do not vote for anyone. I may have something verry important (coming in just a few minutes).


##Unvote
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
September 05 2010 18:55 GMT
#1678
On September 05 2010 23:38 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 22:16 citi.zen wrote:
To keep track of it all:

#1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2
#2 Chaoser --- Bad Santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge
#3 LSB --- traitor, claims to have gotten visited night 2
#4 Hesmyrr --- Picked CV, got Vanilla
#5 Zeks --- Role Cop, SK
#6 Southrawrea --- Picked Traitor but got vanilla
#7 Subversion --- probably Picked Role Cop but did not get it
#8 Fishball --- Claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2
#9 Opz --- Claimed Meth Man after claiming Tracker, ELF, no gun according to Fishball Then he claimed medic?
#10 Citizen --- Tracker, ELF, JeeJee to DTA night one, saw Chaoser stand still night 2
#11 BrownBear
#12 JeeJee - Can travel, visited DTA night 1, DTA said he did not get role blocked
#13 DarthThienAn - Claimed JeeJee is not RB
#14 siNiquity --- ELF, no gun according to Fishball
#15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1
#16 Radfield --- DEAD VANILLA ELF
#17 Bill Murray --- Mason
#18 Bumatlarge --- Watcher, ELF, saw 4 people visit Zeks night 1and one visit LSB night 2
#19 Pandain --- Claimed Pardoner, then Martyr, then pardoner again, then said it was all a joke


Rastaban, OpZ, Citizen, Bumatlarge, SiNiquity.

Pandain, BrownBear, Fishball, Divinek.

Wait...we outnumber...awesome. Nevermind. Games pretty in the bag even if we fuck up. 5 confirmed townies on top, 2 hidden townies on bot.

I'm down with lynching BrownBear, killing divinek tonight.

Only possible choices for mafia are pandain, brownbear, fishball, and divinek. And if Pandain is actually martyr...well, protect citizen Pandain, and you will be proven town. =D
Just assuming Rasta is town because he did POP DTA, and Roleblocking fishball....well...FoS Pandain.

Coulda RB'd the person POPPING your mafia brother, but instead RB Fishball?

=/
Anyway...I still wanna hear citizen...And Fishball out of town? -_____-

Fine, brownbear and paindain are decent targets as well + I don't have the time to argue today.

Unvote
##vote BrownBear


Just remember that Fishball is the reddest person here based on his posting: never useful, always wishy-washy, except when accused of anything, when he gets very active and argumentative, cock-sure down to the "never take that tone with me" pearl. Interesting to remember as well that the mafia didn't kill/RB Fishball - the most important investigative role in the game - night 3, when he checked JeeJee (nobody got RB-ed that night?). Then JeeJee got killed and FB claims to be RB-ed night 4. Tragic, it means we still have zero info out of him. However, he can let others argue that it "makes sense" to keep him alive so he can pretend to investigate people one more night. That suits him fine since it means we're taking a 1/4 shot with today's lynch.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
September 05 2010 19:04 GMT
#1679
Well pandain, if you really are martyr, we have the game won. You just protect citizen or myself, and with Opz as methman and siniquity as an undetermined role thats likely a defensive role, we have cant really lose.

Or you are lying. Yeah, really leaning towards divine/pandain now. citizen, fishball claimed to be RB'd
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 05 2010 19:05 GMT
#1680
On September 06 2010 04:04 bumatlarge wrote:
Well pandain, if you really are martyr, we have the game won. You just protect citizen or myself, and with Opz as methman and siniquity as an undetermined role thats likely a defensive role, we have cant really lose.

Or you are lying. Yeah, really leaning towards divine/pandain now. citizen, fishball claimed to be RB'd


Is Opz methman? That makes things good(one less person to protect)
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