|
Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Another consideration, If jeejee is picking 1, and presumably will be drafting first, is he prepared to take CompVig. If not, I see that as extremely anti-town. If he doesn't want CV then fine, pick another number, but whoever gets to draft first HAS to take CV.
Likewise, if Darth is picking second, is he prepared to take Copy Cat. Again, it's very important that we know where Copy Cat is. The reason being, some random mafia gets Copy Cat, and we lynch a vanilla townie on day 1, then on night 1 the mafia can kill the CompVig and Swipe the role. Of course the doctor comes into play, so this probably isn't that big of concern.
Anyways, the real question is, are people prepared to follow a town role picking plan, or are people simply going to pick whatever they want to pick.
|
On August 21 2010 08:28 Bill Murray wrote:
see, this is where radfield is being unhelpful. Just claim some numbers, man.
you are, too, citi.zen, for joking. You know what I mean. I know Radfield is helping through policy discussion and game theory. Durr.
chaoser:4
Pandain:6
Bill: 7
Hesmyrr/zeks: 8
you see how this helps, now? I was going to pick 6. I had sent in [6] [4]. I knew to change when I saw pandain say that. Mafia will be picking single digit numbers, honestly. The highest they might pick is around 10-12, but I seriously doubt that. ( i think they did that last game, though, but it was honestly dumb to do that)
I won last game by picking like [17]. We didn't claim what we were picking, so there were a lot of doubleups on numbers. If the town coordinates on the numbers they're picking, the mafia will be forced to claim and follow what they claimed, or lie to us.
rastaban: 3
chaoser:4
LSB: 5
Pandain:6
Bill: 7
Hesmyrr/zeks: 8
I will be picking 5,1
|
Changing my vote to 12
Meesa be mason!
|
On August 21 2010 08:52 Radfield wrote:
Another consideration, If jeejee is picking 1, and presumably will be drafting first, is he prepared to take CompVig. If not, I see that as extremely anti-town. If he doesn't want CV then fine, pick another number, but whoever gets to draft first HAS to take CV.
Likewise, if Darth is picking second, is he prepared to take Copy Cat. Again, it's very important that we know where Copy Cat is. The reason being, some random mafia gets Copy Cat, and we lynch a vanilla townie on day 1, then on night 1 the mafia can kill the CompVig and Swipe the role. Of course the doctor comes into play, so this probably isn't that big of concern.
Anyways, the real question is, are people prepared to follow a town role picking plan, or are people simply going to pick whatever they want to pick.
I am prepared to follow a town plan, not necessarily yours in relation to copycat being #2. Sorry to argue that. I believe JOAT is much more important, and urge #2, if they're town, to pick that.
What numbers are you sending in?
|
Well, I'm changing mine back to my original [6] [4] then.
|
I'll tell you right now that I will not tell you my numbers. You'll see the draft list when you see it. Deal with it :-)
|
well
i'm obviously picking 1/1, i shotgunned it, no blitz, gtfo DTA. there's no reason for any townie to double up on my number because i'm obviously picking CV if i get first, and we get a double lynch, all the time.
copy cat is an interesting one though.. it's mostly only important if CV dies first. not sure about it being the #2 pick
|
I've just decided that if we do plan out our numbers, it means that we won't neccesarily get all our roles perfect (going with radfields percent chance thing) but mafia will CERTAINLY get every role they want(with the exception of Compulsive Vigi.)
I'm starting to think mass claiming is a bad thing. I think we SHOULD have certain people(and only these people) select 1/2/3 and so on. Maybe to 11(following radfields.) Then if a mafia tries to get in before, we caught him(cause he picked an already designated number).
So these are my thoughts. PLEASE comment on this. I think I found something of issue.
|
Hmm. So I looked through all the roles and did my own little scaling. Note to self that rastaban's scaling system makes nooo sense. he has two scores over 10 (15 and 20) and both of those are for the compvig. lol. Unless it's like, on a scale of 1 to 10, compvig is a 20.
@BM: I... guess... I'll pick 2 >_>.
Radfield, I definitely agree with you about us talking more about roles than numbers, but why CC at 2? CV is definitely #1. But I feel like Role Cop/JOAT/Bullet Bill deserves more to be #2. Again, I feel like CC should be lower - it's number 9 on my ranking list, but that's without taking into account mafia/sk, so I'm fine putting it anywhere between...6 and 9. I person (number) on the draft doesn't get the CC then we have a mafia immediately in the first however many people. Granted, we could have said that based on probability, but the certainty of that, in addition to people roleclaiming and then process of elimination, we'll probably get a mafia pretty quickly if that happens. Remember Qatol and sidesprang last time? Sure it wasn't foolproof, but it ended up working out for the town.
|
On August 21 2010 09:17 JeeJee wrote:
well
i'm obviously picking 1/1, i shotgunned it, no blitz, gtfo DTA. there's no reason for any townie to double up on my number because i'm obviously picking CV if i get first, and we get a double lynch, all the time.
copy cat is an interesting one though.. it's mostly only important if CV dies first. not sure about it being the #2 pick
I mean, obvious solution is that doctor protects CV night 1. Mafia want to take their chances? Let them, lol.
|
On August 21 2010 09:22 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 09:17 JeeJee wrote:
well
i'm obviously picking 1/1, i shotgunned it, no blitz, gtfo DTA. there's no reason for any townie to double up on my number because i'm obviously picking CV if i get first, and we get a double lynch, all the time.
copy cat is an interesting one though.. it's mostly only important if CV dies first. not sure about it being the #2 pick I mean, obvious solution is that doctor protects CV night 1. Mafia want to take their chances? Let them, lol.
Theres a 3/4 chance that the doctor will NOT be sane/normal. You have to take that into account as well.
|
On August 21 2010 09:19 Pandain wrote:
I've just decided that if we do plan out our numbers, it means that we won't neccesarily get all our roles perfect (going with radfields percent chance thing) but mafia will CERTAINLY get every role they want(with the exception of Compulsive Vigi.)
I'm starting to think mass claiming is a bad thing. I think we SHOULD have certain people(and only these people) select 1/2/3 and so on. Maybe to 11(following radfields.) Then if a mafia tries to get in before, we caught him(cause he picked an already designated number).
So these are my thoughts. PLEASE comment on this. I think I found something of issue.
Clarifying this. Mass roleclaiming can lead to a situation where we as town do not get all the roles we want while letting mafia get every role they want(with the exception of Compulsive Vigilante.)
Why?
Right now the plan consists of just making sure WE(town) get the good roles, while letting mafia get their good roles. If we all mass roleclaim, mafia will be able to not overlap with everyone, thereby getting each role they want.
I agree that we should still have the plan Radfield went with, just perhaps from 13-20 be it a free zone where the remainder of the people can claim any number. And these people will NOT say which number they picked.
Some new thoughts:
What if the people from 3-11 choose their mafia thing instead. This means that theres even a LESS chance of getting the roles we want.
As always, please comment/critique this. I am often fallible 
|
zeks, so should you or I switch the numbers?
Regarding the other matter, at first glance I like Radfield's idea of everybody choosing pro-town or at least neutral roles- let no one take anti-town role for the sake of preventing the mafia from having it as long as there are no KP involved in it. The numbering -> role plan might be troublesome, but it's not like we can't change our plan around after we get more information by draft order flip.
|
Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On August 21 2010 09:22 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 09:17 JeeJee wrote:
well
i'm obviously picking 1/1, i shotgunned it, no blitz, gtfo DTA. there's no reason for any townie to double up on my number because i'm obviously picking CV if i get first, and we get a double lynch, all the time.
copy cat is an interesting one though.. it's mostly only important if CV dies first. not sure about it being the #2 pick I mean, obvious solution is that doctor protects CV night 1. Mafia want to take their chances? Let them, lol.
It's true, there really is no reason to put CC at #2, especially considering we have 2 doctors. I don't think we should be clearly stating who gets bullet bill or Role Cop, etc. These roles need to be hidden from mafia, or at least mixed around with Bulletproof/Veteran/Meth Man. Hence my whole post with the percentages.
There really is no other role that needs to be kept track of like the CV(or inventor last game).
I'm going to write up a list tomorrow morning of what I think our role drafting order might look like. That should give us a day and a half to amend and change it. If anyone else wants to feel free as well.
|
On August 21 2010 09:25 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 09:22 DarthThienAn wrote:On August 21 2010 09:17 JeeJee wrote:
well
i'm obviously picking 1/1, i shotgunned it, no blitz, gtfo DTA. there's no reason for any townie to double up on my number because i'm obviously picking CV if i get first, and we get a double lynch, all the time.
copy cat is an interesting one though.. it's mostly only important if CV dies first. not sure about it being the #2 pick I mean, obvious solution is that doctor protects CV night 1. Mafia want to take their chances? Let them, lol. Theres a 3/4 chance that the doctor will NOT be sane/normal. You have to take that into account as well.
But, assuming he protects a townie, there's a 3/4 chance that the doctor's protect succeeds. If the doctor dies night 1, well, we know what to do. Paranoid variant protects+roleblocks, which is fine for night 1 CV.
On August 21 2010 09:31 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 09:19 Pandain wrote:
I've just decided that if we do plan out our numbers, it means that we won't neccesarily get all our roles perfect (going with radfields percent chance thing) but mafia will CERTAINLY get every role they want(with the exception of Compulsive Vigi.)
I'm starting to think mass claiming is a bad thing. I think we SHOULD have certain people(and only these people) select 1/2/3 and so on. Maybe to 11(following radfields.) Then if a mafia tries to get in before, we caught him(cause he picked an already designated number).
So these are my thoughts. PLEASE comment on this. I think I found something of issue. Clarifying this. Mass roleclaiming can lead to a situation where we as town do not get all the roles we want while letting mafia get every role they want(with the exception of Compulsive Vigilante.) Why?Right now the plan consists of just making sure WE(town) get the good roles, while letting mafia get their good roles. If we all mass roleclaim, mafia will be able to not overlap with everyone, thereby getting each role they want. I agree that we should still have the plan Radfield went with, just perhaps from 13-20 be it a free zone where the remainder of the people can claim any number. And these people will NOT say which number they picked. Some new thoughts: What if the people from 3-11 choose their mafia thing instead. This means that theres even a LESS chance of getting the roles we want. As always, please comment/critique this. I am often fallible
The idea behind Radfield's plan is that we get the roles that investigate, and let the mafia get whatever they want. Obviously, mafia want to get the best pro-mafia roles. By establishing who's taking which roles (for the first few), we either force mafia to take investigation roles, or they ignore us and take their own choice, which, if they ever get investigated, reveals them.
|
Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
# Watcher - At night you can choose to watch a player and receive information in the form of how many people visited the target that night.
Just to clarify Ace, this is not a regular watcher as far as what is commonly seen on TL. This only returns how many people visited a certain player, and not their names? If I decided to watch Qatol, I would get back something like: "Qatol was visited by 2 people last night" as opposed to "Qatol was visited by Ace and Caller last night"
|
How about we lynch the compulsive vig day 1? They will be a liability for town early on - even in the right hands.
|
|
|
Number Claims (Please tell me if you change)
JeeJee: 1
DTA: 2
rastaban: 3
chaoser:4
LSB: 5
Bill: 6
Hesmyrr/zeks: 8
Pandain: 12
|
I will be changing to SEVEN (7)
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
