TL Mafia XXX

On August 06 2010 09:28 LSB wrote:
Puts a funny picture to increase my post count. I don't want to be a probe forever! And I don't want to die, I'm new and I don't know anyone :S

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(Btw, when does this probe thingy go away, 1000?)

On August 06 2010 23:20 rastaban wrote:


If scum claims great, we traded the vigis possible shot for a deffinate lynch - good for town
The benefit of using the vig is that he can prove himself by shooting someone. If that night there are 4 hits and the person we asked to be shot gets hit as well he is 100% confirmed.

if there are 3 hits then it doesn't mean he is guilty he is instead still questionable and either we now have a red or we forced the mafia to hold a shot because they want to discredit our confirmed townie.


Really the danger I see is that there are 0 or 2 vigis, if this was another role, say doctor then I would be worried about 2 legits, but it isn't it is vig, no way town has 2 of them, especially with so many claimants. I would be more worried that we might not have a vig at all, but I think that is unlikely since the town probably need it to help balance out the many other KP roles currently in this game.

Plus it is named wannabe batman!! I personally don't think the host would come up with such lovingly crafted descriptions and names for roles and then decline to have even 1 of them in a 30 person game. There is one and only one vig this game I would give it a 98% probability (hey that is 10% higher than I gave bum being town last game )

On August 06 2010 23:41 KF91 wrote:


But what are going to do for Day 2/Night 2? It's not like we have an endless supply of vigis to keep this plan going. And losing our vigi on Night 1 doesn't sound good to me. Although most of the time, vigis prove to be useless in catching the mafia, sometimes they can pull it off.

I am definitely against vigis roleclaiming on Day 1.

From what I see, bad plan. So much risk for the town while the mafia has to give a small effort to make sure that the town is screwed over.

- If mafia roleclaims as a blue, this plan won't work period.
- If a real blue does roleclaim, but the bus driver buses the wrong person, we could hit another blue (Perhaps one of out DTs or medics)
- The mafia has power-roles that could turn this plan onto the town and the town could be lynching townies on Day 2/3 depending on if this plan is actually implemented.

IMO, single roleclaims=bad at any point of the game. Or actually, any type of roleclaims; while it may prove useful to the town, it will always help mafia in killing blues.

On August 07 2010 00:52 Misder wrote:


Doesn't this still raise the risk of Vigi hitting a blue role though? I thought that was the reason that Vigi doesn't hit as soon as possible.

On August 07 2010 01:54 larjarse wrote:
TBH rastaban is also looking quite suspicious. He is trying to do so much planning as a townie. I WANT THE MAN DEAD

On August 07 2010 02:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Okay. Vigi should claim Day 2 IMO because he can't use his night kill til night 2. The vigi can openly suggest his target, meds protect target. If 2 people die that night, and dude is protected from a hit then BAM, we have a huge circle formed with meds confirming the vigi, DT's can openly claim to vigi or use a mouth, Bus Driver should stay hidden I feel...except to maybe the meds.

And if it is a mafia ploy? We'd have netted two mafia. The fake vigi claimer, and the dude who was hit by the vigi because he would have to have been protected. All medics should protect the guy getting vigi'd so they get the protection message, or mafia would have to use all KP to stop the plan, GIVING us quite a few more days...

On August 07 2010 01:08 rastaban wrote:
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Well he can't hit tonight so we don't have to worry about it for now. I would prefer they claim while they have their shot, and then we use it to verify them if their are counter claims. If we wait until after they shoot then we can use this plan until day/night 3

If we just have them claim tomorrow then they can shoot the other claimant that night or if it isn't counter claimed we enact the plan.


we cannot do this before they shoot because then they WILL be roleblocked, because it could save a mafia and it makes the vig unable to confirm himself LOL, plan screwed

Q2Rastaban's plan. Shouldn't rastaban see the obvious hole if the Godfather claims?
It involves 1 person role claiming TODAY. we then protect this person and use them as a confirmed townie. Now here is where the plan takes shape. Since mafia can stack our protection will fail and he will die, but wait we actually have something even better. a Bus Driver. The bus driver will now perpetually Bus our claimant.

I don’t get this. How can we assume 1 vig?

If there is 1 vig, and he claims. The Mafia has no reason to claim.

If there is 2+ vigs, and they both claim. The Mafia has no reason to claim, as we’d kill both of the vigs.

To me, this plan sounds really really really bad to the town. I don’t get what’s good about this plan, can someone explain it to me? We get a confirmed townie. Aren’t their better ways of doing this?
To me it sounds like a plan meant to fail.

On August 07 2010 10:42 LSB wrote:

Vig can't kill night one

On August 07 2010 10:47 LSB wrote:
Gahh.

My post above should have read

Okay, what's stopping the Mafia from doublestacking someone the* day a person claims Vig? So at night, there's* only going to be 3 dead*?

Innocent Stalker (Nosy Neighbor)
You love visiting other people at night! Except for that you don't actually go in the house. You kind of just lurk around outside. Unfortunately, you also don't plan ahead so when you wander out of your domicile at night, you go someplace random! Every night, you will visit another person; I will RNG the number of the person you are to visit, but you will not know that you visited that person. You will not visit the same person two nights in a row. You will not be told that you are an Innocent Stalker.

Lazy Stalker (Watcher)
Unlike that cousin of yours, the Active Stalker, you enjoy being more slothful. You sit at home and stare at a computer screen all day, and thus you have become an insomniac. Since you are too lazy to go outside, you instead use your use of technology to watch people! Once per night, you may set up cameras outside somebody's domicile. You will be notified at the start of the next day by PM of all persons, if any, visiting said domicile last night. However, technology is inferior to the might of the Ninja, so you will not be able to see them visiting! If you watch somebody who is a target of the Mafia, you will be told who sent in that night's kill list.

On August 07 2010 11:02 chaoser wrote:


Mafia wouldn't even dare hit the person we decide to watch, that's an easy mafia found right there. Wow lol

On August 07 2010 11:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

? I just explained how if he is red than your plan is useless. This also means that if he is a blue role that doesn't visit, your plan is useless. Your plan can be done with a lot of different people; it doesn't have to be BM. Your plan made sense till LSB pointed out that Godfather cannot be tracked. Then it got a lot more iffy and I want to go after the highly likely red as fast as possible.

On August 07 2010 11:46 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

GF cannot be tracked. Townie cannot be tracked. Veteran cannot be tracked. GF can appear as veteran or townie if desired. BM has already lied a few times this game. If he changes his claim to townie, would anyone care? He can also say he is a vigi and didn't want to waste his hit during the first night and use a real hit or mafia kp hit to claim later.

On August 07 2010 11:48 chaoser wrote:
vets can't visit anyone else so i guess they can't be tracked?

On August 07 2010 12:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

First thing: no benefit to using BM as the watched person.

That said: maybe this is better. Only problems are with getting waxed but our blues will know if they get waxed so that's not even a problem. Mafia would get the ID of the Watcher but we could protect them indefinitely with bus driver, right?

Dude I think we might have a winner, here. Please look at LSB's plan here and critique it.

On August 08 2010 00:09 XeliN wrote:
I'm not comfortable with the way Chaoser has jumped into the voting thread and bandwagoned a vote on someone who is already liable to be lynched.

Ignoring my feelings on Bill, although as i've said he doesn't strike me as mafia, I'm quite suspicious of such behaviour and as such will striking down against Chaoser with great vengeance and furious anger.

Liable to change ofc.