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Korynne
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Korynne
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Penalty claim: I can't change my mind once I choose what action to perform. So essentially I will just do whatever I can do at the last moment possible. I'd say this really isn't much of a penalty. I'm active enough that I don't think important stuff will happen between whenever I do something and the deadline of doing whatever. So far: Pyrr looks fishy, BM and Ace look pretty normal, though I can't really fathom what Ace is trying to do with penalties, or how knowing people's penalties can be used to our advantage. Oh, and not voting until very close to deadline of course. | ||
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Korynne
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Pyrr, do you have to be alive for your action to be carried out 2 mornings later? Because if not then we should just keep Pyrr around, let Pyrr claim what he did after it's going to go through, and then see if it happens (unless mafia roleblocks him, in which case he should know and then tell us whatever he wants accordingly). Doesn't clear him, but like, it's something more tangible than the other claims we've gotten. Side note, he made a very safe claim for mafia. Vig -> 2 days later -> mafia night kill. Looking at other penalty claims: Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting Well I'm assuming this confirms him when it happens? Puts him under the spotlight if he doesn't do anything... so I would say unsafe mafia claim. bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1 Combined with treestump makes it all rather neutral, since noone would ask him to activate his role presumably, unless possibly a really strange and awkward LYLO situation (not sure if that kind of situation is even possible where we'd want to confirm him but have +1 mafia). So basically a neutral claim. zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power Bill Murray: If he dies, a town power role loses their power Both are neutral claims in that it only happens when they die, so we can't confirm anything. Korynne: Can't change actions. I would say this is neutral. Easy enough to pretend to have this penalty as mafia, and I'm active enough to pull it off so that it has no negative effects (I have a history of waiting before acting anyway). | ||
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Korynne
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On August 10 2010 04:07 citi.zen wrote: Do you think knowing the penalties helps the reds? I think the penalties could likely help reds. If I was red I'd definitely prefer knowing them than not, especially given that Hesmyrr gave reds safe claims, and so far (including my claim) some claims seem to be reasonably safe and uncheckable. I haven't seen anything from the penalties that could help town so far. Ace may be able to be confirmed it seems, not entirely sure what his thing means. But if nothing shows up for a night or two I'd be very suspicious. Everyone else on the other hand seems to have very neutral claims. | ||
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Korynne
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On August 10 2010 04:15 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + Koryyyyynnneeeee. maaaaaffiiaaaaaaa. KOOOOORRYYYYYYYNEEEEEEEEE! GODFAATHAAAAA!  If pyrr isnt scum, then its safe to gun forace I assume. I mean Ace is making it seem that pyrr is mafia for sure, id doubt hed push so hard unless he was lying or truly believed it. If he denies it, then im not going to push pyrr for him if hes not going to accept the consequences of pushing people as hard as he does without good reason. If he has a good a reason as he says he does, i dont see any point in not following him. You and your lack of double ns in my name. *glare* I disagree with the if X [is/isn't] scum then Y [is/isn't] scum. I think we should discuss such things after it happens. As in like, decide whether or not to lynch X based on how scummy X is or how many people seem very for or against X or whatever information could be gained from lynching X. Then the next day talk about whether or not we should lynch Y based on X. Otherwise mafia can easily just get a double kill or an associated kill by bandwagoning on the first guy. Ace can truly believe that Pyrr is mafia, and Pyrr can slip up a lot as a townie, and we could lynch Pyrr, and Ace could still be town. Just keep your mind open and see how things go~ | ||
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So penalties so far: Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting (doctor) bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1 zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power Bill Murray: If he dies, a town power role dies Pyrr: Can't get results back until later Korynne: Can't change action I think Ace's plan was definitely kind of terrible. In that it pretty much singled him out in the group of people who claimed (other than Pyrr)... | ||
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Korynne
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I think from the list of penalties though it's very easy to point out green vs. blue roles. I don't know if it's such a great idea for us to keep revealing roles.. Mafia can easily pick blueish or greenish sounding things to claim. Yeah, Pyrr and Ace were kind of confusing... | ||
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Korynne
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I'm assuming since BM claimed he's pretty much getting shot tonight. So we should vote for what target he'll be vigi-ing? If he doesn't get shot we'll have a pretty confirmed townie if someone else also dies at night (presumably to mafia). I also read through the last couple posts that Ace made, doesn't seem to be anything anywhere that suggests that he claimed to us who he protected. And he even mentioned like oh hey I'm going to tell you guys who I'm going to visit because I think I'm going to die if I visit scum. Oh also, citi.zen, why do you think I'm red? xD | ||
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Let's claim adjectives. As in like, Pyrr was Cautious, and Ace was Nytophobic. Gives away less information (for mafia to snipe blues) and we might be able to force mafia out this way, since Hesmyrr probably only gave them safe things to claim but not adjectives to go with it! And I'm assuming Hesmyrr probably wouldn't use the same adjective twice. And if he does then the abilities would be the same and the two people could confirm each other (but like I really don't think he'd use the same adjective twice). Ohhh, this might work. =D Adjective Claims: Ace: Nytophobic Pyrr: Cautious Korynne: Dogmatic | ||
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Korynne
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Ace: Nytophobic Pyrr: Cautious Korynne: Dogmatic zeks: Pitiful LSB: citi.zen: Suicidal Yeah I'm not sure about the whole claiming thing, because from the claims so far I'm pretty sure I have a good idea of who is vanilla and not, and if I was mafia I could easily from that information make up quite reasonable sounding penalties. [Side Note] bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1 Can you ask Hesmyrr if this will be displayed on page 1? As in like "NUMBER OF MAFIA-ALIGNED PLAYERS" +1 zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power Can you ask Hesmyrr if the randomly selected person will be publicly announced? | ||
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Ace: Nytophobic Pyrr: Cautious Korynne: Dogmatic zeks: Pitiful LSB: citi.zen: Suicidal youngminii: Selfish Scamp: Lazy bumatlarge: Equivocating Bill Murray: Divinek: Jayme: chaoser: | ||
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In that case it looks like BM will have to off Divinek or bumatlarge tonight if he decides to use his ability. In this case I'd like to see at least an adjective claim from Divinek, though I suspect he's probably off birthday celebrating... | ||
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Korynne
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What do you want to hear from me? xP So you have to shoot people on the winning wagon today? Well I guess that means we should wait until after lynch to decide who you should vigi. Hmmm... So I'm suspicious of BM, but like, if you vigi tonight you're either dead by mafia or confirmed, so nevermind that. Don't vote for BM guys. I suspect BM too, but like I said, he can do the whole vigi thing and what not and if it doesn't happen then we'll lynch him the next day (since today isn't LYLO/MYLO). | ||
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Korynne
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Right now based on adjectives: Scamp's word, lazy, seems rather, boring compared to the others. However if I was mafia I would be rather scared to claim something like that in case someone else has it. Jayme's word sounds out of place, I would like at least a partial role claim to explain that. chaoser's word obvious also sounds rather silly, and he was the last to claim. So that's...3 people. xD | ||
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Reasons: #1 Last to claim #2 Fishing for someone to say oh hey, yeah it could be that we're all blue or someone to go no wai I'm green #3 The word obvious seems silly... unless you can prove your role by like, obviously doing something and confirming yourself as town? Anyway don't try to convince me not to vote for you, I can't change my votes. xD | ||
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BM, discuss that later, after a) you're alive and b) we know who's on the lynch wagon and c) we actually have a proper target for lynching today. | ||
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We're voting to lynch youngminii (or alternatively for no lynch), he doesn't need to be on the bandwagon for us to lynch him... We can decide afterwards in the no lynch group or in the youngminii group, whichever one is the bandwagon of the day, who we want BM to vigi. | ||
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Korynne
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I'm assuming you are not a one-shot vigi and can shoot as many times as you want? If so mafia would most likely want you dead tonight otherwise we have a confirmed vigilante... Also don't stump bum... >_> | ||
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Korynne
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You don't offer up the other two people on the wagon for vigi hit, so who do you think is red? Also if you think BM is red, which I think right now if BM doesn't hit anyone then like, we're pretty much going to lynch him tomorrow. So knowing that, BM needs to hit one of you guys for self preservation. | ||
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Korynne
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On August 14 2010 10:41 citi.zen wrote: ##vote korynne This is weak. If Bill was red claiming vigi, he would have been vigi hit tonight. Unless there is no vigi, in which case lol. Why are we assuming there is a vigi? And who's to say the vigi doesn't have some kind of restriction and can't kill BM? Also if BM was red claiming vigi...and I'm red... then like, what? Obviously BM can't vigi you if he's mafia, so then I'm pushing to make BM take a shot and then like omg BM didn't take a shot let's kill him? When everyone else is like, pfft, don't waste a shot guys. FoS on BM, cuz I can't vote change. >_> I guess secondary FoS on citi.zen. Like, if no one suspected BM, then I would go with the maybe wasting a vigi shot, but considering like a lot of people were suspicious of BM on day one, and then like more people suspicious of BM on day 2 but then me arguing for keeping BM around for the night for the purpose of confirming him, and him not taking the shot, then like, yeah, I'm done giving BM chances. | ||
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Korynne
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I don't know why you seem so trusting of Scamp and Divinek without giving any reasons, and expecting us to trust you without giving any reasons... So BM can you explain why you didn't hit citi.zen? Like, at no point before the night ended were you like, okay I sent my hit in or like so like I'm not going to because like, observe, LYLO. | ||
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Korynne
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How are you so sure citi.zen, scamp and divinek are not mafia? Nobody did any substantial analysis, and citi.zen sure didn't bother to do any substantial analysis and just was like oh hey, divinek and scamp look innocent, let's not used the vigi hit tonight. Usually vigi hit is like a double lynch, the only thing is this time it's kinda like, well, it's like a double lynch where your second hit has limited choices. So the reason we would not want to use it is because we are so totally sure that those guys are not mafia, which we're certainly not. Also BM what do you mean I'm lying low on the radar for voting? I can't switch my vote! That's why I FoS'd you. Consider those "votes." So how about this, I'll vote for majority at the end of the day. If BM feels like I'm totally scummy he can vigi my ass. And if BM is mafia as I suspect then my ass will not be vigi'd. And then of course there's the option of both me and BM are town and like, falcepalm. Also like, lots of inactivity going on while me, BM, and citi.zen bicker. With other people inserting like, a line or two in places. | ||
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I didn't say BM didn't give a logical explanation. It was more like, so, I guess I'll go for citi.zen. Oh wait guys, *presents argument about why we shouldn't use the vigi shot,* so like, yeah, what do you guys think? And then it was like oh hey, no one got hit. | ||
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BM, I'm not red. So you won't get a lot of information when I die. Instead it FoS's you and citi.zen. I don't know if I think you or citi.zen is red... So, I'm town, I'll let BM vigi me tonight by voting for majority. (But of course it wouldn't work if me or BM was lynched today) If I was mafia and we're in LYLO tomorrow then obviously you lynch me tomorrow. This is pretty much like a double lynch, since we got to choose to vigi me. | ||
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Korynne
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So like seriously, can we lynch someone else today and then: 1) I follow instructions and vote majority, BM vigis me tonight 2) I don't follow instructions and don't vote majority, BM vigis someone else or doesn't vigi at night, you guys lynch me tomorrow (if I'm town I wouldn't screw you guys over and so if it's LYLO lynching me is totally fine because then I'm obviously mafia) 3) Me + someone else doesn't die tonight, in which case we lynch BM tomorrow Like, lynch BM if I'm the only one that dies. If BM's mafia and can't vigi, then obviously lynch him. If BM's not mafia then mafia framed him, but like I said, that's equivalent to killing him at night. | ||
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Korynne
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With a lot of you adamant on me being mafia, anyone I bring up strongly kind of becomes a big circle of WIFOM. So taking out me and BM for obvious reasons (execution of the plan), the choices we have are: chaoser citi.zen Divinek bumatlarge Scamp LSB From word/penalty/role claims, I would go for chaoser, Darth, Scamp, or Divinek. I guess I'll do an analysis of each when I get home today. | ||
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##Vote chaoser | ||
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I really shouldn't be playing mafia when I don't have enough time to commit to such things... Totally LVP me this game. >.< | ||
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Except like, was too lazy to pull a train on citi.zen. I would have ideally tried to get citi.zen lynched and then have BM vigi me at night. So fucking called it! (It was a crazy attempt BM and citi.zen, and that sounds good and all, but like, definitely saw it. xD) *dancedance* Gut feelings ftw. | ||
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Except like I thought if only one of them was red it would've totally been citi.zen and BM was just being terrible. Tsk tsk. | ||
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