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On July 17 2010 11:05 BrownBear wrote: I like the village bonfire idea. Who brought the s'mores? I did. I'm the Stay Puft Marshmellow Man. Oh we weren't roleclaiming yet? Dammit! | ||
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On July 18 2010 05:39 XeliN wrote: I'm not entirely sure on the inactive thing, if there is someone who doesn't post whatsoever they are dead anyway, and it encourages people to spam simply to not be case as inactive. Depends how things work out, if there is someone who at the end of day 1 has only posted one thing that is about as useful as typing "lol mafia!" then I'd agree but it depends on circumstance. This only really applies for the first day, after that lynching for inactivity if there is not a more obvious choice seems like a universally very good idea, but I'm surprised more people arn't considering the idea of using a RNG to decide our first kill. And OpZ just lol @ immediately claiming 3 people seemingly randomly as mafia. So much spam in the first couple pages. Get a hold of yourselves people, you're not witty. Also, our inactive lynches always end up being townies, but every time when we look back at the game, there's always a mafia member or two who was inactive at the beginning, or posted and spammed just enough to clear the inactivity bar. I propose we make a list of FIVE players who are inactive, and then RNG them to determine a lynch candidate. That way we either force mafia into the open, or catch that one newbie mafia who doesn't know how to post properly. At the very least that would make the town's move a little harder to gauge. | ||
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Bad idea. On July 18 2010 10:44 DarthThienAn wrote: [DarthThienAn inserts thoughts on the no-lynch plan] My goal is to maximize the number of deaths at the end of Day 1. Therefore, we should lynch someone who has voted. You're going to play like Chezinu? So be it. *** Also, I'd like to once again push the plan of creating a list of FIVE or FOUR inactive players, and then using a random number generator to determine the lynch target. There are many ways we can do this, whether by using the amount of games SKT manages to take off of CJ tonight (well, we'd have to assign 0 to somebody) or some other random metric. Hell, someone could even stream it on their livestream. In that vein, I suggest that we use Siniquity's list as our guide. I've selected random players who look interesting to me from the list of people who had not posted at that time. I somewhat think that mafia tend to post once called out on inactivity, as it's a stupid way to go at the beginning, so hyperbola LaxerCannon Citi.zen All of whom have posted uselessly, should be on the list. Obviously Citi.zen is an adept player, and so he could probably play his way off the list, but for the time being, he's raised several flags. | ||
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## Vote Laxercannon | ||
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The reason it was introduced in the first place what completely ridiculous. Nothing smart about any of it. We should lynch people for good reasons, not dumb ones. I'm still looking for more nominations for people to lynch. I think those three are a good start. Time to pick one, yes? How about I PM five people a list of the candidates in order, and then someone in the thread will choose a number from 1-3? | ||
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On July 18 2010 13:57 Divinek wrote: but WHY was it ridiculous, WHY was it not smart, WHY were the reasons dumb. You might as well have not posted as there was no substance to what you just said Because there were no reasons. Hell, did you even look to see what Hyperbola did to make himself so suspicious? Because he didn't do anything, and that's what I call playing stupidly. On July 18 2010 16:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Actually, until those 5 people explain themselves. ##unvote ##vote pandain You get the vote as the third - fourth voter of most bandwagons turns out to be red. Convince me your legit, or stop being retarded and ill move my vote. I think, as Divinek is busy proving, these fine gentlemen were voting for Hyperbola for no reason whatsoever. They're all pretty new players, and I'm not convinced that's a list we're likely to find mafia on. I'd rather work with inactivity. Bedtime now. CJ fighting! | ||
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But it seems to me that we a list of sorts anyway, and we might as well try to start a bandwagon going on one of them. I think citi.zen's approach is somewhat reasonable, although I feel like established players playing quietly is more mafia-like then he suggests, and I'd rather vote Foolishness than Ketomai. I think Darth is also a huge candidate, I have no idea what he's doing, but it doesn't look like he's going to do anything helpful this game. And of course, the other two candidates and the publicly feuding youngjeezy and infundibulum. So I propose a new list really. Foolishness Darth (3) Ketomai (1) youngminii (2) infund (1) I'm going to switch my vote then, by virtue of personal suspicion to: ## Vote DarthThienAn I urge everyone to pick from this list from now on. *** And BM, we can't allow people to abstain, please forbid it after this first day lynch. It's just terribly unhelpful. | ||
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On July 19 2010 04:30 youngminii wrote: fail Essentially. Voting lists are one of the best ways to catch mafia. They spread out across them in predictable patterns, and once you catch one mafia, you can gain a ton of information by looking at the voting lists. It's much better than post analysis, which is always touch and go. If you give people an out by establishing an abstain bandwagon, then you're just handcuffing the town. And you may still be convinced that your strategy is the right one, but it's obviously not going to happen, and it's time you dropped the issue, so the town can move on. Wasting space, and distracting people from the task at hand is counter productive for obvious reasons. On July 19 2010 03:37 youngminii wrote: It looks like it's a toss up between hyperbola(5), DTA(3), and myself(4). On July 19 2010 03:46 lakrismamma wrote: I will follow citizen though to create a third alternative. ##Unvote ##vote ketomai That's a fourth alternative. Also, for everyone's reference, this is a vote moved from Subversion. So we have Hyperbola (5) Darth (3) youngminii (4) Ketomai (2) I believe BrownBear, Subversion, and Ketomai have not yet voted. *** At this point, I think people who have not voted for one of these four people (and in particular, the first three) should reconsider their votes, and select one of these players to lynch. Optimally we'll have three lists, and everyone on one of those lists, which should make mafia spotting a little easier. Again, I'd like to push a lynch on Darth. He's smart, and he knows he's not under the cosh yet. Hyperbola and youngminii have tried to defend themselves, but Darth hasn't lifted a finger, which I think it smart. If you're winning, leave well enough alone. But I'd like to punish him for it, and I encourage others to join. | ||
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There is probably one mafia in each of these lists, but I'd also lean on citi and young being mafia candidates. Hyperbola (Divinek, Pandain, SiNiquity, bumatlarge, BB, Subversion) YoungMinii (XeliN, Amber[LighT, Roffles, Infizzleundibulumizzle) abstain (LaXerCannon, tricode, SouthRawrea, Chaoser, protactinium, zeks) citi.zen (rastaban) [/b]SiNiquity (Hyperbola) [ b]Pandain (BC) Infundibulum (youngminii) And probably two in this one: DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, tree.hugger) ketomai (citi.zen, lakrismamma) Amber[LighT] (jayme, DarthThienAn), BloodyC0bbler (~OpZ, Foolishness) LaXerCannon (Misder, citi.zen) Mafia vote counts are usually spread across the likely candidates, as the mafia don't know who our blue's are as much as we know who they are. So there's not a lot to be gained by them in focusing on one target, at least not yet. Therefore, there's probably some mafia who voted early, (I'd lean towards those being more experienced players, but possibly not.) some mafia who voted late, and some mafia who changed their votes. I tend to suspect people who voted against each other, as personal conflict give the mafia a great excuse to make a silly vote that won't ever be held to them. I think we've seen faux conflict be manufactured that way as well. We'll see what more the hits tonight give us, but keep this day 1 voting template in mind. | ||
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On July 20 2010 09:38 Divinek wrote: And hyperbolas post wasnt seemingly bad, they were terrible. As a brave Ace once said if you die early in a mafia game you're playing bad. Well then how do you explain poor Radfield? Now THIS is suspicious, I actually didn't catch that the vote was so close... On July 20 2010 08:07 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Then, misder and zeks switch their votes to Laxercannon and abstain, respectively. So the count is now 5-5. Finally, subversion comes in and drops his vote on Hyperbola. 6-5. This is the post: On July 19 2010 09:16 Subversion wrote: ##Vote: Hyperbola Not really convinced by him, and there's not really any other clear choice for me right now. Now, that's not a reason, and furthermore, that's a lie. There's at least one other choice that's close, and several others getting votes. This vote is highly influential, but nobody really caught onto it at the time. But if youngminii is mafia, then that's a direct implication of subversion as well. Curious-er and curious-er. | ||
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On July 20 2010 13:15 Bill Murray wrote: the 48 hours will go from 13 kst, midnight EST, and last 48 hours until the first minute of the 22nd on the east coast. i have to go be with my Edited the fix. Forgive me. | ||
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On July 20 2010 13:44 Subversion wrote: Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I have never, ever seen a townie say something like this. So narcissistic you had to complement yourself? GG. | ||
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On July 21 2010 02:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Good catch, subversion not only makes a weird line Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes. but also the bit about the hyperbola vote. Consider he is implying the chances of one - two reds in there, and cast the deciding vote to get hyper lynched. Add in then his "praise" of the mafia, seems he's either really good at slipups or really good at appearing scummy as town. I'd like to point this out yet again. Subversion has more pointing at him this game than anyone else, and it'd not even close. BrownBear isn't playing well, but he's not playing like mafia. Doesn't mean he isn't, but he hasn't said anything close to a tell so far. Meanwhile, Subversion not only cast a highly suspect last-minute vote on a player who really had nothing against him, but he also slipped in the gem quoted above, which, as far as I can tell, has never been said by an innocent townie in the entire history of time. Does he have to roleclaim to get us all to lynch him? Stop pulling a Hyperbola on BrownBear and go lynch the mafia. | ||
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Is there evidence against chaoser? Nobody can really explain what it is. Is there evidence against DTA? Hardly. Is there evidence against Subversion? Yes, there is. 1) Subversion voted at the last minute to lynch someone who's bandwagon was pathetic from the start, and really had nothing behind it. But the real significance of that vote, was that it saved someone else (youngminii). We didn't know about it at the time, because BM's count was off, but the mafia (assuming for a moment that youngminii is red) would clearly have a much more accurate count. They might've assumed that BM's vote count would be a cover, but at any rate they needed to make sure to save their own member. 2) Subversion's post, in which he commented on how well the mafia were doing was (a) not true, and (b) something that I don't think I've ever heard anyone innocent ever say in a game of mafia. That's something I can see a new mafia member thinking a townie would say, but that's not something a townie would actually say. Furthermore, lynching Subversion just makes plain sense from a town perspective. A whole host of people have put their reputations on the line to save Subversion. Nobody has said anything in chaoser's defense. Nobody has said anything in DTA's defense. They've been left to defend themselves, and, apparently to some people that looks guilty. What does that mean? Aside from being absurdly suspicious, if we lynch Subversion, then we gain a ton of information. If Subversion flips red, then we catch youngminii right off the bat. citi.zen has been defending Subversion nearly every post he gets, albeit a little more subtlety. Almost everyone in the game is on record saying something about Subversion, which means that if we lynch him, we get to figure out who was right, and who was wrong and proceed from there. None of the other lynch candidates are even close to as valuable as Subversion. If we lose another day lynching people who aren't mafia, then we're going to be in trouble. | ||
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gg. citi.zen, you win this round. One final note: You doubt that you're joined at the hip with Subversion? | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I regret nothing. Why the fuck did he fake blue? Because he didn't. Either Pyrr is a clever mafia, or a really really bad townie. I'm leaning towards the latter, and seeing as how we don't seem to want to kill the obvious mafia, can we take this one out next? On July 22 2010 13:23 youngminii wrote: So on the bright side, how credible am I as a townie ey? You're not at all. And you never have been. | ||
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On July 23 2010 03:08 Amber[LighT] wrote: That's why I'm glad we haven't. It's better for the DT's to (hopefully) be on top of their own jobs without us spewing "oh do this." If they feel that what they're doing is better than what's being suggested in the thread then that's fine. The game is relying on their diligence at this point and I've stated what I would expect from the DT's throughout much of the game. This goes for the other blues as well. Unless the town comes to some kind of judgement about who to check, then we really don't need to worry too deeply about him. As we all know, just because I say something doesn't mean we're going to do it. For example, it's important that the town talks about citi.zen and BC. Both are veterans, both are smart, both are good at this game. Also, both have been utterly useless so far, popping in once in a while to tell the town that it's doing it all wrong, without ever adding something concrete. It's that kind of ambiguous grey area of activity and inactivity that the mafia love to hide in. Of course, Subversion or youngminii would be great checks as well, seeing as how they're both the same color, and it'd be useful to find out what that is. And surely none of these people would object to them being checked, because they have nothing to fear, right? | ||
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