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On July 17 2010 12:03 DarthThienAn wrote: unabstain ##Vote: d3_crescentia oh so is that how it goes ##Vote: DarthThienAn | ||
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On July 17 2010 12:07 Pandain wrote: fuuuuck, then what do you do when you realize your life is meaningless in a crime ridden, police nonexistant world? genocide is your only option | ||
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On July 17 2010 12:18 citi.zen wrote: Fake roleclaim medic on day 1. That should take care of it. This is a scumtell. This is also a scumtell. Hang 'em both. | ||
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Of course, if we get lucky (there's a 1/5 chance) we'll land on a mafia. Let's NOT leave things to chance and carefully look through posts. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Day 1 Lynch: 24-23-21 21-20-18 18-17-15 15-14-12 12-11-9 9-8-6 Day 1 No Lynch: 24-24-22 22-21-19 19-18-16 16-15-13 13-12-10 10-9-7 7-6-4 Looking only at vanilla KP (lynching, mafia hits) the difference is that we live for one day longer without a lynch. Considering all the tricks we have in this game (hatters, suicide bomber, medic) and all the uncertainty it brings, a Day 1 mislynch is a marginal cost to pay for the information we could get. | ||
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On July 19 2010 05:10 DarthThienAn wrote: If you disagree with my plan, let me explain my train of thought. People are going to get modkilled. We want to get rid of mafia. Modkills are going to kill those people anyway, therefore we should lynch someone who would not be modkilled. There are plenty of people who are being unhelpful. I am an example of it - look through to find more people like me. I don't have time to find people like that, but again, d3 is an example. Misder might be an example iirc. Chaoser would be an example. Therefore, we lynch one of those kinds of people, and help the town out by not being worried about it later (is this person mafia lurking or just inactive?) etc etc. Hey guess what - people can be as "helpful" as they want so long as they themselves aren't being targeted. Someone can run the whole active townie gig for an entire game and still be scum so long as they lead the rest of the town in the "right direction" by virtue of their calm-and-collected persona. Some scum will play more actively to maintain the appearance of a model citizen. You've done it; I've done it; everyone's done it (that is, if they've played as mafia more than once). "Laying low" is just a playstyle and not an indication of mafia. But hey, if you wanna lynch me, let's get this ball rolling. The way I see it you stand to lose much more than I do. The people we should be trying to pin down and confirm should be our most active, most valued posters. I know nothing about youngminii but that s/he did excellently in a previous game, and so we should keep an eye out. I find it interesting that BC's earlier list did NOT include infundibilum, and I'm wondering what THAT's about. I'm NOT suspicious of Foolishness because usually he would have checked in at this point with some abrasive comment or other. | ||
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On July 19 2010 05:49 chaoser wrote: I think it's less about the days and more about the fact that we get tons of information from looking at vote lists Exactly my point, thank you. | ||
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On July 20 2010 13:11 Bill Murray wrote: the day technically started at 9 pm est/10 kst my girlfriend and i have been fighting, and i'm sorry that that inhibited my ability to resolve the night's action on time, but we really needed a night out together, and went to see the movie inception. i would like to add that i am now engaged to be married. i will make the day start from midnight tonight as a result. let me go through the actions and see who was to be killed/protected/etc. woah holy shit congrats man >_> hope the fight wasn't about the engagement | ||
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I took a hit last night. According to Bill, I was protected from a bunch of fat men in suits. I guess that means all of you scum need to hit the gym. There was also an Asian with a cell phone. (DARTHTHIENANANANANAN!?!?!?!?!?!) Oh, and if you're wondering, the reason why I'm posting this so late is because Bill didn't send me a PM initially ~_~ | ||
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On July 20 2010 14:45 DarthThienAn wrote: You liar. I stacked both hits on Foolishness. ##vote: DarthThienAn | ||
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On July 21 2010 00:32 zeks wrote: you're right i guess we don't know for sure. but I think its highly unlikely for mafia to bank on the fact that both medics dont know what the other one did to claim a hit just on the fact that its so risky. not saying d3 is clear 100% but i just think scum would be kinda dumb to pull something like that so early I am clear 100%; you just don't know it yet. On the other hand, are YOU clear 100%? Let's find out, one way or another. On July 21 2010 00:35 citi.zen wrote: Which reminds me - what happened to BC? What, indeed? | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:19 Amber[LighT] wrote: bravo guys! So who's next? you obv | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:25 tree.hugger wrote: Because he didn't. Either Pyrr is a clever mafia, or a really really bad townie. I'm leaning towards the latter, and seeing as how we don't seem to want to kill the obvious mafia, can we take this one out next? You're not at all. And you never have been. 'cept Pyrr is some super-secret-special-awesome mysterious VETERAN FROM THE DISTANT MAFIA PAST. Time to compare vote lists. | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:28 youngminii wrote: How the hell am I not. Can you keep up with the thread please? I backed hyperbola, I backed DTA and I put my reputation on the line for him. If you think that somehow doesn't buy me any credibility at all you're heavily mistaken. Because it doesn't mean shit if the rest of your cronies will vote for you? Let's be fair, though - I don't have a strong opinion on you yet, so by "your cronies" I just mean "the mafia's cronies". But saying "oh hey I guess that means I'm town" is utterly unconvincing and smacks of manipulation. | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:42 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: funny how you and d3 pop out of the woodwork as soon as the night post comes up I think my posting patterns have been pretty consistent so far this game - I've been on generally between 10PM-2AM with the exception of yesterday since I stayed home to wait for the AC guy to fix my unit. | ||
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On July 22 2010 13:48 youngminii wrote: Okay this is going to be my last post about this topic because it's getting stupid and out of hand (and mostly fueled by me). I never said I was an automatically confirmed town, I said it bought me credibility. Any of you saying 'bah he's an idiot it doesn't mean anything' are mistaken, as it buys me a CERTAIN DEGREE of credibility. /end No. It doesn't. And the fact that you keep insisting that it does, doesn't. | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:56 youngminii wrote: I think everyone has to take a step back and stop putting all their faith into BC's claim. In the game I played previously (Godfather mafia) I was DT and I claimed because I had found the Godfather. However, people were still wary of my claim and if I was in fact, scum false claiming then scum would have won the game 100%. You have to take in the whole picture and think about the possibility that BC is false claiming. He could just be claiming as it'll give him instant 'credibility'. He could be claiming to derail the flame war that happened between me, infundiblusdcxum and chaoser (which my paranoid little self is tending to learn towards). He could be claiming to just create confusion within the town. He could be claiming because mafia have this awesome scheme planned for the game ahead of us. Or his claim can be real. Just don't forget the possibility of his claim being fake. Don't rush to form any PM trust circles with him. There's quite a chance he's Godfather and that he chose Vet from the start if he's going to make such a bold false claim. I agree. Two points to keep in mind: 1) He said he took a hit. Doesn't say how he was saved (i.e. medic protection or veteran). If the former then he's in the clear, but there's no way for Roffles to verify that. If the latter then we're no better (or no worse) off than before. 2) Vigi could step up and claim considering they're effectively vanilla townie now. We can couple these two events (i.e. who the vigi hit and why) with BC's claim and work from there. I think we can semi-confirm BC by lynching the vigi (if necessary) especially since there's no real way that the mafia would've known that three hits were going down tonight; though not necessarily vice versa. It'd be especially good for us if BC was protected (not survived) last night as we could get some real organization going down. | ||
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On July 23 2010 14:50 youngminii wrote: There's no way of us knowing whether or not the claim is true or false. There may or may not be one or two Vigis and even then 2 scum can step up and counter claim. I actually disagree here. If 2 scum step up and counterclaim it exposes them in the open under public scrutiny. We can lynch the first claimant (the one who fired the shot) and see if he told the truth. Then we can have the other two shoot each other during the night with their vigi shots. If neither of them dies then we know they're both lying. Also, it seems like an incredibly BAD idea for a townie to claim vigi at all, period. What will be more likely is that the vigi will claim, no one will contest and the mafia will take out the vigi during the night to prevent any new information from being introduced into the game. | ||
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On July 23 2010 15:29 SiNiquity wrote: Hmm interesting. So BC is either a Veteran or was protected by the remaining medic (orr Medics can protect the night they're killed, and Roffles protected BC). Is that last one even possible? Think so. Problem is that Roffles isn't around to contest it. But, as I said, if the vigi stepped up and said something it could drastically drop down BC's chances of being mafia, if we confirmed the vig by lynch. I realize this would be super-unhappy-times for the vig. =[ | ||
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On July 23 2010 15:32 Divinek wrote: i would assume it is but this is a very important question. BM is that possible? I think all night actions are resolved at the same time. I think there have been instances where it's happened in the past. | ||
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On July 23 2010 15:36 SiNiquity wrote: If BC is lying, then there were only 2 hits last night. If there were only 2 hits last night, then no Vigilante fired a shot (unless Mafia stacked, but this seems highly unlikely). Therefore when we call for a Vigilante to claim, some Mafia could claim it worry-free, since no one else could claim it. Worse yet, this Mafia member that claimed could be Godfather and have picked the Vigilante role, so there's no way to know there either (or BC is GF under the guise of a Veteran). Thus both the claiming Vigilante and BC would need to be checked. If neither were Mafia, only then would we know for sure. We can't afford to check these people until the bomber is dead, at least by DT - because the Mafia would know we'd be checking them and then just get a two-fer. And by stepping forward it becomes difficult for the Medic to protect-confirm as the Mafia wouldn't want to target them anymore. It's possible to confirm them by lynching the vigi (depending on who he shot at and a few other factors). Then there won't be any mafia incentive to claim the vigi role. It's not the most optimal plan, so I'd really appreciate some input for a better alternative. | ||
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On July 23 2010 15:52 SiNiquity wrote: Right. But there's .. *double checks BM's post* 12 townies, 7 blues remaining. So the Vigi revealing gives the Mafia a 6/18 (33.33%) chance instead of 6/19 (31.58%) chance for hitting a "real blue." But there's gotta be some other catch I'm missing. Or maybe I'm just wary of people roleclaiming in general which is why I'm getting that "vibe" from this plan. Don't think there's any real reason why mafia would be operating by chance. I feel like they're just trying to snipe blues, or people that would be useful. If the vigi reveals themselves + target, we can lynch them to confirm this information. Targeting Roffles or Jayme would reduce chances of BC being mafia since the mafia had no way of planning to put in one or two hits. One thing stands in the way of that, and that's BC's abilities to fake it. If BC himself was targeted by the vigi, then simply by lynching the vigi we can make some clear conclusions about BC. I don't really see the mafia making a fake claim if they know we're going to do this, considering that a 1-1 trade for them isn't very good, though it is possible they'd do this. If the vigi really DID flip blue, then it's harder to say but I believe it would semi-confirm BC. Am I making sense? I'm not sure I am. It's late. | ||
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On July 23 2010 16:11 Tricode wrote: Yes and now after letting the vigi know you are going to lynch him lol, how do you propose in finding this vig? *shrug* which is why I said it's not the best idea. Honestly it just relies on him recognizing that it would be better for the town to know 100% factual information than stay in the game. Obviously it'd be better if we could verify him some other way. Key point to remember is that after the vigi took a shot there's no reason to hide it because he can't do anything anymore except provide the information on his shot. | ||
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that post doesn't even make sense you aimed at BC but you don't want him to die? why the hell would you do that | ||
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On July 23 2010 16:35 Tricode wrote: And I would of gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddling medic! God way to ruin everything. what the hell; these kinds of shenanigans are better reserved for Day 1 when it matters less so this leads to a small problem where BC could still be mafia and have gotten protected - mafia cannot target their own so a medic protect would have never occurred, but since it DID occur and against a vig-hit it leaves BC's alignment still under question as I said before if someone has a better plan of verifying Tricode/BC discuss away, because I don't want to lose townies we don't have to lose bedtiem p.s. tricode I wub you~ | ||
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STOP VOTING DOUBLE LYNCH UNLESS WE HAVE GOOD CANDIDATES TO DO IT WITH; OTHERWISE WE JUST END UP KILLING OURSELVES FASTER ##vote: Tricode ##vote: infundibulum all of the votes from yesterday's for double and today's for double should seriously be considered and reanalyzed, because we are just wasting our time here and will (likely) waste our lynches unless we get some real analysis going | ||
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On July 24 2010 11:04 Bill Murray wrote: d3, you voted for two people in the same post when there is a single lynch today, pick one, or i will pick one for you. siniquity, see the above post where you may not vote for double lynch without voting abstain. oh so for some reason I thought double lynch had passed for today and not for tomorrow ##vote: abstain | ||
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On July 24 2010 12:05 citi.zen wrote: Ok, let's blow this taco stand. I am a mad hatter. I am part of a dt circle. I would love to help the two dt's connect. Here's how we can do it: 1. Wait to see if there is a counter claim against me and Tricode, since together we should account for the 2 town Kp roles. If there isn't, we are both confirmed. If there is, we have a red player. 2. The other dt asks a confirmed person they checked to contact me. If more than one person comes forward I will ask the dt to claim. This way, if the mafia decide to fake claim we have two reds, not just one. 3. The two DTs, remaining publicly anonymous, are in contact. We give ourselves a chance to win. Well shit on a shit sandwich, we might actually be going somewhere. | ||
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On July 24 2010 12:33 tree.hugger wrote: If there are 13 votes for abstaining, then we accidentally end the day, correct? Please don't vote at all, or throw your placeholder vote on someone who is not going to carry the day in the end. For example, I'll add to the double lynch. ##Vote Xelin (Haha, where has he been?) ## Vote Double Lynch oh I guess this IS a majority lynch game as well ##vote: ~opz~ sorry, it's been a long-ass day | ||
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On July 25 2010 02:16 chaoser wrote: Really? Post some for me please. I'm sure I can find more posts by me that aren't "quotes". This is a quote. | ||
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On July 25 2010 02:23 BrownBear wrote: It's ok to quote and build off the quote with a lot of new content. It's not okay to quote and post 2 or 3 lines not really adding much. I think what d3 is saying is that most of your posts are examples of the latter type of posting. This is a derail. Also please don't presume to speak for me. | ||
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Claims that need to be resolved: - BC/Tricode - zeks/Southrawrea - Pandain/Amber[Light]/youngminii Since we have three claimants (Tricode/South/zeks) then we need to avoid overlapping kills if it so happens we have two bombers. Since zeks has claimed to have bombs on BC/South, South should put his remaining bomb on Tricode (chaoser?? what even makes you think he's a THREAT, for fucks sake). We then lynch both of them. I'd rather all of the above die and have our DTs check other targets rather than waste any more time trying to figure these things out. Yes, I realize that this 1-for-3 trade is terrible. I don't really give a shit, though, because it's time to play hardball. Something is especially not right here, considering citizen's claims that he was also DT checked. But then if our claimant checked Amber and young, when could they have checked citizen? I don't like this. | ||
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##vote: Southrawrea ##vote: BloodyC0bbler It's possible that they double-stacked on Subversion, since it seems no one's stepping up to claim the second hit. In fact I'm pretty sure this is the case. Tomorrow we'll have another double-lynch, and zeks should be moving his bombs to other mafia candidates. If we lose, we lose - but let's at least go out with a bang. | ||
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##vote: Southrawrea ##vote: BloodyC0bbler | ||
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Zeks you should move your bombs onto some of the other prime targets. | ||
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On July 28 2010 21:32 zeks wrote: Will be posting quite a bit tonight: Summary of all DT checks used atm My dt: citizen - Townie zeks - Mad Hatter Pandain - Mafia Subversion (I don't know the order): Protactinium - Townie youngminii - Townie Now both Protact and youngminii flipped Townie and now that we know BC is the GF How the fuck did Subversion die so surely? Answer: Protact had leaked Subversion out to Pandain (and only Pandain if I'm not mistaken). This is the key reason why he is likely scum and not Miller. I tried to milk Pandain for more information - and I did get some hints. Will summarize these and post em later Laxer flipping Miller is pretty awesome for town Question: Does mafia have 2kp + suicide for a potential 3 kills tonight? My DT contact has been lying to me. | ||
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Still it might be helpful to clear things up if there's actually a counterclaim situation. | ||
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On July 29 2010 09:11 lakrismamma wrote: Maybe you are right.. Anyone want to clear this up? I did not claim vet. I got medic protected night 1. | ||
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On July 29 2010 14:22 Divinek wrote: d3 is not confirmed in any way unless i missed the part where he got dt checked I am confirmed 100%. I got targeted Night 1 and was successfully protected by Siniquity. As you may recall, Vigis cannot shoot on Night 1, and mafia can't target themselves either, so this medic protect PM in my inbox makes me town. It's entirely possible that Foolishness got double-stacked and I'm faking it, but unfortunately Siniquity/Zeks are no longer around to back me up on this, as they were the only others that knew as far as I know. On July 29 2010 16:01 Protactinium wrote: To be honest, when I was thinking about this through since it was a clutch situation in trying to keep Subversion from being lynched, I left the Suicide Bomber out of all my calculations. Still though, I've always been taught it's best to target Mafia early on, since that at least forces them to defend themselves / have their teammates help defend them, which is what brought SouthRawrea and BloodyC0bbler out in this game. With 2 KP Mafia is still deadly, since Medics are pretty ineffective. At this point, I remember something: d3_crescentia, you said you were protected by a Medic night 1. However, Night 3 only one person (Subversion) died and nobody claimed a hit. I'm assuming a double stack. However, if you were hit and protected then you're as good as town confirmed, since no Vigilante tried to hit you (why would they night 1)? After that, as a focal town player you should have been forming circles. I'm not saying you haven't, but why haven't you been posting other than here and there? And if you had a circle, logically it should have included some people in it. Maybe I'm being completely played by PM Land, but it seems you've been too quiet for somebody of your "stature." I don't trust anyone this game given the amount of BS lying that was flying around. Creating a townie circle is only a good idea when everyone is trusted - i.e. myself and Siniquity. Others have tried to PM me. Xelin claimed DT to me after Night 1; but since checked lists started to float around only last night I didn't have a strong enough reason to suspect him. Tree.hugger's been noticeably silent in PM land as well; he claimed Townie to me Night 1. I haven't given them shit for information. In the meantime, Divinek PM'd me after BC's fake-claim asking me if I wanted to start a PM circle with him and BC. Since I know super secret awesome things I'll take him for his word and trust he's town, but I'll have to keep him in mind for the future. ##vote: Pandain ##vote: rastaban | ||
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On July 30 2010 06:37 chaoser wrote: wait, did we double lynch? Yes. | ||
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On July 30 2010 10:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Hmm out of the suspects, misder and rastaban both held off of voting for Pandain. Last time Misder said he would be without internet he was gone a long time so I suppose it could be legit. I still think there is a great case for him but it doesn't look like it's going to happen with Pandain's vote invalidated. Tree.Hugger said he would get caught up but his only post since then was about the same as the post where he said he would get caught up. I know he has been creating live report threads so he has been busy with something. Of course, that something is on this site so you'd think he'd be here more but there is still time for him to come back and he posted only two pages ago. If you have other suspicions about him please recount them. My vibe on Rastaban is nooby being played with by BC. BC saw that town was circling around the DTs and needed a counter claim and I know he always likes to fake claim through green mouths. Luckily town lynched BC first. I still think Misder is our best bet, having defended BC and having been defended by BC. He doesn't have to be around to act in the night if someone else on the team is doing night actions. Even if his inactivity excuse is real, it still hurts town since he might not be around to vote. If you are lynching tree.hugger because he is gone, why aren't you lynching Misder, who has been scarce in the past and is promising to be scarcer in the future? Is this one of them Mutual Chainsaw Defense (TM) things? I remember this being a really easy trap to fall into when playing as mafia even if you are aware of it. | ||
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On August 03 2010 02:10 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler [Day 3 Votes] + SouthRawrea tree.hugger Amber[Light] BloodyCobbler Pandain Chaoser Pyrrhuloxia Protactinium Rastaban Infudibulum BrownBear Divinek SouthRawrea (8) Tricode Xelin bumatlarge zeks lakrismamma SiNiquity Abstain (2) Opz Opz (1) d3_crescentia Pyrrhuloxia (1) Misder Protactinium (1) LaXerCannon We can almost gaurantee that the rest of the mafia voted citi.zen because otherwise, SouthRawrea would have been every close to being lynched. Anyways, everyone that voted for SouthRawrea is confirmed already. The only people that didn't vote for citi.zen or SouthRawrea are ~Opz~, Subversion, d3, Misder, and LaXerCannon. These are the hardest to figure out in the vote. However, Subversion is dead confirmed detective, LaXerCannon is dead confirmed miller. The only other people are ~Opz~, d3, and Misder. d3 is most likely town aligned (why is this really? All he did was claim medic protection. That doesn't mean his is town aligned, just that he was saved... why does this make him a townie?). So who's left in the didn't vote for either is ~Opz~ and Misder. ~Opz~ abstained; I don't recall the reasoning on this one and I can't find his post where he voted abstain...did he even vote? (also, as I was looking through his posts, he pointed out that Xelin may be mafia). Misder was out the entire day and he voted based on DTA's request the previous day. I never had any specific connection to BC. The only thing I can recall is BC claiming that I was townie, but he also did that with zeks the Mad Hatter. Then I didn't want to vote BC on Day 4, but I wasn't the only one tricked by him + I voted for SouthRawrea the mafia. It makes me a townie because I got saved Night 1, when no Vigis could shoot and Mafia can't kill each other at all. Unless you believe that Foolishness got double-stacked and this is an elaborate ploy. @rastaban your post sort of summarized what I was going to say in a different post. Let's be blunt here - abstaining at this point in time is bullshit. Thinking: ##vote: chaoser | ||
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4 of us are town; 2 of us are confirmed, 3 of us are scum that's pretty good odds to me - we just have to figure out which two aren't scum out of 5 based on what looks reasonable to have I think we'd have Pyrr Misder and Brownbear all red for a team of BC/Pyrr/Brownbear/Xelin/Misder/SouthRawrea based on some mysterious instinct ##vote: BrownBear | ||
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On August 05 2010 09:13 Incognito wrote: d3 didn't seem to care or have any serious analysis I was thinking of playing a game of quickdraw with the mafia by placing an obviously bad vote, but then I went afk and promptly forgot about the game for a few hours >_> tbh all I wanted to do was take a hit this game keke~ | ||
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On August 06 2010 05:08 ~OpZ~ wrote: All I have to say is, Thank you D3 for not PMing me back. Argh...YOU SEE ME DIE!? So cruel and unusual. *sigh*...And I told you pyrr living was already an issue. Fail argument. And Rastban....argh....I really thought he could be town (notice in all my posts I had a question mark next to his name because I never trusted him) because BC mindfucking someone through PMs seems...very plausible. -_________- I hate you all. Argh Thank you BM...I always appreciate you modding. Just please man. Stick to the rules you start with. I'd Co-Mod for you next time if you need it... TBH it was one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard considering they most likely knew my role already. | ||
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