TL Mafia XXVIII - Page 9

On August 05 2010 06:32 Protactinium wrote:

I believe that was more Divinek just claiming Veteran to BloodyC0bbler...

On August 05 2010 06:39 Pandain wrote:
Honestly I feel I would've been safe if
1) Youngmini didn't immediately spurt out I false claimed
2) I wasn't miller

On August 05 2010 06:47 zeks wrote:
Arg I had a good feeling I was going to die but I didn't mind dying to the bomber really

but to have siniquity and lakris die on the same day was definitely out of my calculations

for the record I never called for a XeliN protect I was actually thinking that siniquity wouldn't protect anyone at all

well played at the end. no one took notice of the lurkers, and then when all the blues died the lurkers came out and won the game

On August 05 2010 06:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

Yea we really effed up the role claiming stuff but it was sorta necessary given the setup.

On August 05 2010 07:12 BrownBear wrote:
So wish I could have been mafia this game.

Not trying to pretend I played particularly well (I didn't), but god, some of the things town did were so freakin' dumb.

I still <3 you all though.

On August 05 2010 07:04 Ace wrote:
lol D3 this is going to haunt you. Guess I better start updating my Winning as Scum guide. Also listen to what flamewheel said about going back to read posts:



Also major props to BC on that situation with citizen. Town or scum it was definitely a pro town move to bust citizen out for lying about a role claim for multiple reasons, the most important being that no one could ever confirm him without confirming who ever he was allegedly fronting for. By the time that all got cleared up town was screwed unless somebody really sat down and thought about how the hell could rastaban be town with his fake roleclaim too ^_^.

On August 05 2010 07:17 Pandain wrote:


No credit for me? I withstood being blackmailed by youngmini and voted for citizen.

Albeit maybe I should've given it -.-

On August 05 2010 07:25 BrownBear wrote:


Exactly, I thought young was GF for a good long time. I thought BC was regular mafia, and South was maybe suicide bomber given how much he got defended.

Got 2 of 3 alignments right, 0 of 3 roles. Ahh well.

On August 05 2010 07:40 BrownBear wrote:
Let's just discuss the game and not start a dramabomb, guys.

So my gut instinct for who was originally mafia:

BC (after day 2)
chaoser (wrong)
Pyrrholuxia (didnt have much to go on other than weird voting patterns and sketchy behavior, but apparently that was enough lol)
tree.hugger (wrong)
SouthRawrea (right)
rastaban (after the fakeclaim, but this was the one where I was like "well, maaaaaybe...")

Well... I had 4 of 6 down no trouble. The issues I have with my play were:

1) Failed Day 1. Like, seriously failed Day 1. Forgot the game was even going on, rushed in and voted to escape modkill, and... yeah, you see what happened. It put me in a position where I was forced to work while many people did not trust me/people were actively suspecting me.

2) Gave up on the roleclaim idea way too quickly. After BC shouted it down, I knew BC likely scum, but did not then follow up with my second idea (instead of vetclaim, mass townclaim). I thought that town opinion was too against me and BC was too loud for it to stand a chance of succeeding. Looking back, if we had mass roleclaimed day 2, mafia wouldn't have stood a chance in hell. We would have lost blues, yeah, but mafia would have been screwed. When you know exactly how many of each role is in a game, roleclaims are uberpowerful, and we never utilized this weapon until it was too late and it was just green vs. red.

3) Didn't communicate my suspicions clearly enough in the thread. I had this great list I was running, but I never posted it, and I never said "well, what about this?" The reasons are twofold: one, I am working 16 hours a day and don't really have the time to devote to mafia fully, and two, I was still scared of getting lynched. Even after I was (mostly) cleared by BC flipping red and Pandain not flipping red, I was still too timid. Gotta take more risks.

Well, that's how BrownBear failed. Now did BrownBear succeed at all?

1) Nailed 4 of 6 mafia just by reading the thread. That's gotta count for something, even if I didn't get these findings out to town fast enough/at all

2) Called Pandain being miller. I tend to play by gut instinct versus statistical probability. The reason is, mafia is very much not black and white. Divinek might think it is, but he's wrong Mafia is shades of grey, and if a very pro-town player I've had a PM relationship with since Day 2 might be miller, I'm more inclined to think he's miller over he's scum. The reason I do this is because my gut instincts tend to be correct. Not always, but they tend to be. Check it out: Pandain flipped Miller. Pyrrhuloxia ended up being scum in the end. BC was scum. chaoser wasn't, okay, but my gut instincts were mostly correct.

If you don't like the way I play, deal. I trust my brain way more than I trust some numbers on a piece of paper.


So in closing, Brownbear's game was a lot of fail with a side dish of mild success. I also survived almost to the end as well, so that's something!

I will post in a couple hours with thoughts on the rest of the game (other players, the setup), and the Bearies.

On August 05 2010 07:40 Pandain wrote:


Also add to this that I always defended the "lurkers" because they had said they had "real life problems" and i always believed them T_T

On August 05 2010 07:48 BrownBear wrote:
nah, my plan was eh, but it was really to lead into a mass-roleclaim idea. You successfully scared me into not going for it, though, so good on you

And yeah, the argument was what sold it to me that you were mafia. Nobody noticed cause everyone thought I was scummy though. That, and young played horribly :/

On August 05 2010 07:49 Bill Murray wrote:
I agree on liking the way you played as town, BrownBear, not because it was extraordinarily good, but because people on TeamLiquid are bad at pressuring mafia as town. That made this "rigged setup" actually fair, because people on TL are just a LOT better as mafia than town

On August 05 2010 07:55 flamewheel wrote:

Hahaha Foolishness had you day one. When you guys killed him, nobody even batted an eye.
I felt kind of sad though because this game was run for Foolishness.

Stay alive in XXX buddy o/

Also let's BW more okay?

On August 05 2010 07:57 Bill Murray wrote:

yeah, i was like LOL at the medics all game... especially when roffles saved bc

On August 05 2010 07:59 Pandain wrote:


is that why you killed him? Haha I thought that would've been too miniscule a reason and mafia just wanted to hit a potential blue.

It was so much better for mafia when misder accidently left out the Foolishness post accusing BC lol.

On August 05 2010 08:07 citi.zen wrote:

There was no lie. There was a strategic switching of two confirmed players. Nobody else was supposed to know but zeks and kris, co-planners from the start. The subsequent vote proved we were correct to make the switch.

And no, what bc did was not pro town, not even remotely so. At worst the plan was supposed to cost me the lynching but reveal a mafia who would need to counter-claim. This public roleclaim "confirmation" is how 90% of games with pms end up. This is why this was a town favored set-up. If you think it's wrong for a person in that position to rc... I am puzzled.

On August 05 2010 08:15 Ace wrote:


Well from my P.O.V. this is how I viewed everything. There is no way you could have been a Mad Hatter for a couple of reasons:

1.) So early in the game very slim chance you'd have both bombs placed on scum correctly.
2.) With that in mind you'd never roleclaim if you were legit - you want to DIE if your bombs are placed correctly by an accidental mafia hit or a town lynch.
3.) With both these in mind it makes no sense for you to roleclaim to the town and if you do you'd be better off asking for everyone to vote for you so you get lynched and flat out ignore whatever BC is saying.

In short you weren't even acting like anyone who was a mad hatter with 2 bombs on scum would. If your bombs aren't on scum then they are on townies or just not placed at all which means Scum have every incentive to shoot you. Which means you definitely don't want to roleclaim. Looking at it in both ways like this I figured you had to be lying. But that wasn't the only problem.

If you were in contact with Detectives then how is it possible that you not only verified them to be legit but also got them to verify that your bombs were placed on actual mafia? In a span of 3 game days that would be a major leap of perfect execution. From the town perspective you are now the mouth of some unconfirmed DTs in the background that only a few people know about, but can't be revealed until shit hits the fan.

So if I am a townie why in the world would I trust you when I just realized you lied for what I would have figured was a small gain? You are the mouth of a hatter or detectives and even if that was true why do I care as town - you haven't given me a guilty result on anyone.

On August 05 2010 08:22 Bill Murray wrote:
Final thoughts as a mod, and not as a player:

If I ever run a large normal like this again, I will make sure that I edit the randomized list and switch good townies like foolishness and amber or opz (from this game) with like a SiNiquity

On August 05 2010 08:23 Pandain wrote:



Said this before to other people but I want all of humanity to share in this amazing quote. That last option.... I was laughing for like 5 minutes straight.