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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
BrownBear may defend that he has been camp counselor working long days, but this didn't prevent him from providing great input in the early game, nor has it kept him from posting in significant quantity in the more recent areas of the game. I would suggest rastaban and Chezinu as ideal detective targets for tonight. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
probably too late bro should have been doing this all game ^ | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On July 10 2010 16:47 Bill Murray wrote: Player List: Scummy/Lynchable: BloodyC0bbler - where the hell has he been? DCLXVI - lurking and inactive or unnoticeable for me AcrossFiveJulys - has been attacking me all game, and more scummy recently rastaban - hasn't done anything pro-town since day 1 Neutral: BrownBear - has been a little bit scummier lately, but maybe town Chezinu - too crazy to get a read on, but i don't want to lynch him Kinda innocent: zeks - mason with someone, likely A5J or Chezinu YellowInk - very pro-town play, other than his hatin' on me BrownBear - has been a little bit scummier lately, but probably town Likely innocents: Bill Murray - I'm the damn jailer, son Hesmyrr - Jailed him 2 nights in a row youngminii - Jailed him last night, and he DT checked me I've been scummier recently? How so? The only way my playstyle has changed is that I've started questioning you for some of your play choices, which nobody can deny are pretty questionable. Also, you have me up there twice  On July 10 2010 17:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Chez/brownbear/yellowink would make good choices however. Out of the three though, brown bear is the least active compared to what I have seen as his regular style, so if we have to vote on BM's list of 4, BB gets my vote. Sorry, dude, I've been working 16 hour days, so I don't have as much time to check mafia as normal. Although, I'm on BM's list as either "neutral" or "kinda innocent" (maybe somewhere in between), so either you're using a different list than me, or I'm missing something. Oh wait, actually, I think I see it. Are you using this list? On July 10 2010 17:32 Bill Murray wrote: well, citi.zen was going for "the best" players if he recruited L early.. yellowink/brownbear/chezinu/bc are the only people i could see him recruiting cross-reference this with my assessment of everyone, and BC is the one on both lists therefore, i am voting bloodyc0bbler, but not double-lynch. If you are, disregard my confusion On July 11 2010 04:39 YellowInk wrote: Well, since this thread is dead, and the appointed time has come (and no coroner has claimed), I'm going to finger BrownBear. I like him as the n2 recruit. Compare his early game post quality to his more recent behavior. He has posted a great deal throughout the game, but of late the number of places where he takes a significant opinion or provides productive input to the town has sharply declined. The difference is like night and day. I started on last Sunday, which corroborates pretty perfectly with when I stopped posting as much, does that clear it up for you? Also, BM - you were right, I was wrong. I'm willing to believe you are town, and I'm sorry. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
I have voted for you pending you proving to me that you aren't, or someone else proving that a third party IS scum. If there's any confusion as to whether or not I'm scum, then just have youngminii rolecheck me tonight. I promise you you won't find anything. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On July 11 2010 06:27 BrownBear wrote: You are not the first person to call me scum, but you continue in the fine tradition of several (likely town) players in this game of not providing cause. How am I to present a satisfactory defense if you do not provide points for me to counter as I did for you?YellowInk - I am not the n2 recruit. I think you are A recruit - not sure which night, but it's irrelevant. I have voted for you pending you proving to me that you aren't, or someone else proving that a third party IS scum. If there's any confusion as to whether or not I'm scum, then just have youngminii rolecheck me tonight. I promise you you won't find anything. I believe zeks to be likely town, but he ninjavoted me. I must believe BM to be town due to the circumstances of the game despite what his posts scream at me, but he also fails to provide reasons. These two have excuses for me to let them off the hook for not providing evidence since it is fair for me to assume they are not scum. You are not in the same boat. Provide content, provide reasons, provide evidence, make a good case against me. Then I will counter and perhaps be convinced you are not scum. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
" Also, BM - you were right, I was wrong. I'm willing to believe you are town, and I'm sorry. @ BrownBear: what are you sorry for, not being town? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
]"Provide content, provide reasons, provide evidence, make a good case against me. Then I will counter and perhaps be convinced you are not scum." He doesn't have to do that at all. Just the feel of your posts this game feel like you believe that the town needs evidence to lynch someone who isn't providing any. We don't. Your world of policy is not constructive towards town play, and gets people lynched for the wrong reasons. That's why people hate the way that I play, because I encourage craziness which, believe it or not, if tolerated, is pro-town. When you get into policy-lynching over "VI" players (village idiots) like myself, abenson... johnnyspazz? i don't know who else. It's different person to person because everyone has different opinions, it really stifles the ability to properly get scum to flail and squirm because you are focusing more on "bad posters" and why someone is doing what they're doing, when to properly be town, and for this website to be better at being town, people need to focus on WHAT they're doing. I am not 100% you are scum, my gut tells me you are, which is good enough for me. I am hesitant to really lynch anyone at this point, as everyone is so likely town, though. I would not mind lynching someone who is more inactive and trying to hide, though. DCLXVI would be a good target in that regard | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 11 2010 07:31 Bill Murray wrote: @mod: may i edit the previous post to finish the bold at the top? no | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On July 11 2010 07:30 Bill Murray wrote: I understand this line of thinking. Often you can use this sort of gut feeling to point yourself in the right direction. Unfortunately, if you are a town player and fingering another town player and using this kind of 'logic', scum can agree with you (similarly providing no reason), and the town on defense has no way to provide defense to the argument. This makes the town ripe for bandwagoning. Therefore, I demand evidence. If no reasoning is provided, you just make it too easy for scum to take advantage of your gut.[b]@ Yellowink: [/b He doesn't have to do that at all. Just the feel of your posts this game feel like you believe that the town needs evidence to lynch someone who isn't providing any. We don't. Your world of policy is not constructive towards town play, and gets people lynched for the wrong reasons. That's why people hate the way that I play, because I encourage craziness which, believe it or not, if tolerated, is pro-town. When you get into policy-lynching over "VI" players (village idiots) like myself, abenson... johnnyspazz? i don't know who else. It's different person to person because everyone has different opinions, it really stifles the ability to properly get scum to flail and squirm because you are focusing more on "bad posters" and why someone is doing what they're doing, when to properly be town, and for this website to be better at being town, people need to focus on WHAT they're doing. I am not 100% you are scum, my gut tells me you are, which is good enough for me. I am hesitant to really lynch anyone at this point, as everyone is so likely town, though. I would not mind lynching someone who is more inactive and trying to hide, though. DCLXVI would be a good target in that regard Consider that my gut is screaming that you are mafia. youngminii to some degree as well. Unfortunately, if you two are mafia, we've already lost the game. I therefore play as though you are town despite my instinct. Obviously this argument does not apply to me - I am not a 'confirmed' townie, so I am a reasonable target for a lynch. For my generic defense as a town player, I would point to my posting record and all that I have contributed to the understanding of this game as well as formulate and disparage strategy where appropriate. I initiated the game pointing out that everyone should contribute. From this base of knowledge there is now a great deal of information now to be gleaned. Further, I would say that among all the players in this game, I have been one of the leading contributers with respect to assisting the town in finding what direction to take - what is good vs what is not as good. Many examples of my behavior can be found throughout this thread that significantly benefit the town. To go on about those who are 'confirmed' town, zeks also gets a pass in this respect since the real masons would have come out to finger zeks today at the very latest, so you can now consider him confirmed town. Since Ace roleblocked DCLXVI on night 2, you can also know that DCLXVI is town since if DCLXVI was even the night 2 recruit, the mafia KP would have been blocked since recruitment occurs before mafia KP. Beyond this is merely conjecture, but considering we have 4 confirmed townies, I think it is reasonable for zeks' mason companion to reveal. I would be more comfortable with this and zeks confirming while alive with his own voice than after death as I suspect that zeks did not provide a very secure cryptogram. For now my vote remains on BrownBear for the reasons I stated earlier. It is believable that his counseling started at the time which I notice the significant difference, but it doesn't explain why he is able to still post a similar amount of quantity while the quality sharply drops. If anyone has questions about my actions and cares to frame them in a manner better than their 'gut', I would be glad to respond. | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
On July 11 2010 07:30 Bill Murray wrote: [b]@ Yellowink: [/b He doesn't have to do that at all. Just the feel of your posts this game feel like you believe that the town needs evidence to lynch someone who isn't providing any. We don't. Your world of policy is not constructive towards town play, and gets people lynched for the wrong reasons. That's why people hate the way that I play, because I encourage craziness which, believe it or not, if tolerated, is pro-town. When you get into policy-lynching over "VI" players (village idiots) like myself, abenson... johnnyspazz? i don't know who else. It's different person to person because everyone has different opinions, it really stifles the ability to properly get scum to flail and squirm because you are focusing more on "bad posters" and why someone is doing what they're doing, when to properly be town, and for this website to be better at being town, people need to focus on WHAT they're doing. I am not 100% you are scum, my gut tells me you are, which is good enough for me. I am hesitant to really lynch anyone at this point, as everyone is so likely town, though. I would not mind lynching someone who is more inactive and trying to hide, though. DCLXVI would be a good target in that regard wut? I don't know if it is even worth it to listen to BM anymore. He doesn't read half of the thread and posts whatever he feels like. apparently he is above reasoning and logic so he can just post stupid, ignorant shit and then claim that everyone else is wrong because he is more active and helpful for the town. I found a total of 0 useful posts by BM since I last posted. YellowInk may be mafia for all I know, but at least he posts content that is relevant. Chezinu posts randomly but his posts are actually useful if you know what to look for. BM on the other hand... it is painful to read and watch him accuse others of not playing well for the town. So in the case that Youngminii is really the DT, we have how many confirmed townies? zeks, youngminii, BM, DCLXVI? I do not see any reason why the other mason should not come out assuming the GF is dead. It only hurts the town. I suppose he may be a blue role and want to protect himself, but it is not that much more likely that the second mason is a blue. We have accounted for several blue roles already so there should not be very many left. I don't think that we could lose this scenario with 5 confirmed townies (with double lynches) I will do some player analysis tomorrow, I really need to sleep now. Very long day. | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On July 10 2010 18:09 youngminii wrote: You spelled my name wrong  While I'm not ruling out BC as a townie, I'm not convinced he's scum and I think there are other people that we should concentrate on, namely BM's four. The best play on scum's end would be to get rid of the DT (ie. me). Scum knows that I'm DT but they also know they can't touch me because of the jailing. The only way they can get rid of me for now is to sacrifice their KP for two nights. Hence my suspicions lead me to YI. He's the one who suggested/pushed forward the idea to roleblock me. As scum, he knows I am a DT and the best way to neutralize my ability is to roleblock me, knowing that he can't touch me otherwise. Sacrificing KP is a major blow to scum so instead of that, blocking me is the best option. Now I would have liked to see what his reaction would have been after finding out I was roleblocked (maybe I should've faked it) but since that's too late, there's no other place for me to lay my accusations. So if we end up lynching someone other than YI (like BB) then my check will go to YI tonight. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Semi-confirmed: Bill Murray youngminii zeks Hesmyrr the likely other mason: A5J confirmed by behavior in my eyes: BC YellowInk BrownBear Chezinu The person we are putting pressure on next: rastaban | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On July 11 2010 07:26 Bill Murray wrote: @ BrownBear: what are you sorry for, not being town? For being kind of a dick to you the last voting cycle, sorry bro :/ | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
So play. Talk. Vote. Use your townie power. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
going to finger BrownBear. I like him lol | ||
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