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On July 07 2010 11:43 citi.zen wrote:
Not surprised at all. I told you fake claiming becomes a dominant strategy. The worst that can happen is you lose a goon, but the GF lives. Aka town lost tomorrow.
I sort of don't get why me, but that's OK too. Was it that I ruined the lynching of the lovers? Was I too quiet this game? W/e, gg town - you can't win now.
BTW - bm really is town, checked tonight. I checked L the other night.
this to me screams detective
notice how he said "TOWN" and not "TOWNIE"?
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Youngminii is fakeclaiming
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give me 1 reason why it's not possible
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On July 07 2010 14:37 Bill Murray wrote:On July 07 2010 11:43 citi.zen wrote:
Not surprised at all. I told you fake claiming becomes a dominant strategy. The worst that can happen is you lose a goon, but the GF lives. Aka town lost tomorrow.
I sort of don't get why me, but that's OK too. Was it that I ruined the lynching of the lovers? Was I too quiet this game? W/e, gg town - you can't win now.
BTW - bm really is town, checked tonight. I checked L the other night.
this to me screams detective
notice how he said "TOWN" and not "TOWNIE"?
Why did he lie about rolechecking L , then?
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On July 07 2010 14:29 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 14:04 zeks wrote:
citi.zen must be gf
desperate but pathetic attempt to save him from BM - knew if GF died it'd be over um... 10v3 with 3 mafia.... uhhhhhhhhhh that's pretty good odds for mafia buddy why would i out myself? im trying to lend the town a different perspective. scummy=/=scum i am a scummy player i am not scum i am a power role, specifically, our jailkeeper. Playing disruptively and this scummy should result in a policy lynch. Fortunately, if youngminii is truthful, we don't need to policy lynch. Also, stop inflating numbers and such to try to get people to roleclaim. Your numbers are wrong. No one is claiming. If you're a town jailkeeper I hope the mafia hits you to save us the failed (read: didn't find scum) detective check. If you survive the night, we might figure test your truthfulness - or maybe a DT will have investigated you anyhow. Jailkeeper obviously don't cover BM since it'll mess up our DT checking if they decide to go with BM, though in fairness I don't think he's likely godfather so probably not worth it, but that'll be up to you. All jailkeepers (including you, supposedly, BM) should jail youngminii.
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On July 07 2010 14:37 Bill Murray wrote:
give me 1 reason why it's not possible I'll give you two.
1) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132755¤tpage=57#1121
On July 07 2010 11:43 citi.zen wrote:
Not surprised at all. I told you fake claiming becomes a dominant strategy. The worst that can happen is you lose a goon, but the GF lives. Aka town lost tomorrow.
I sort of don't get why me, but that's OK too. Was it that I ruined the lynching of the lovers? Was I too quiet this game? W/e, gg town - you can't win now.
BTW - bm really is town, checked tonight. I checked L the other night. The lie.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132755#2
On June 27 2010 03:34 DarthThienAn wrote:
Detective
You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night, starting on Night 2, you may ask for the role of any player. I will PM you the results at the end of the night (the results will reflect that night’s recruitment). Why it's a lie.
2) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132755¤tpage=59#1166
On July 07 2010 12:30 citi.zen wrote:
Oh my, what a big mistake I've made! You got me guys, good job there. Admission.
I think I'm done with this thread for tonight. Town, play it smart. No claiming. Ignore BM.
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oh shit lol i forgot about that
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no wait, you all are right. i forgot they can only check once. i'm honestly the jailkeeper, though.
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"On July 07 2010 11:43 citi.zen wrote:
Not surprised at all. I told you fake claiming becomes a dominant strategy. The worst that can happen is you lose a goon, but the GF lives. Aka town lost tomorrow.
I sort of don't get why me, but that's OK too. Was it that I ruined the lynching of the lovers? Was I too quiet this game? W/e, gg town - you can't win now.
BTW - bm really is town, checked tonight. I checked L the other night."
he can safely say i'm town because he KNOWS i'm town. I don't see why I didn't see it just based upon him being able to say "BM IS TOWN" without saying "bm probably is town"
like I say Hesmyrr probably is town because I jailed him twice.. he can be recruited tho
i am going to jail youngminii...
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also, what i mean to say is i should have seen him break that jeep's scum tell when he said "bm is town". He wouldn't do that to a fellow mafia member at all. This whole argument on me is WIFOM so give it a rest.
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I like youngminii's plan, it is fair. What I said originally was "heavy suspicion on BM" not "BM IS MAFIA OLOLOLOL", remember that. I think it is a good idea for youngminii to rolecheck BM tonight. citi.zen's admission pretty much 100% confirms young as a DT. Here's what I think should happen.
BM: Jail youngminii
2nd jailkeep (if there is one): Jail BM
Young: rolecheck BM
roleblocker: don't roleblock either of them please
If youngminii dies, we know BM is lying. youngminii can tell us what his results are the next day. If BM dies during the night... then so it goes.
Tomorrow, we gotta reread everything citi.zen's said all game, see if we can catch any scummy-looking gentlemen based off who he backs/opposes.
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It took almost 10 pages of us telling you he lied and how for you to figure it out? I don't buy that, surely you can't be that oblivious. I brought up the point about C. calling you town about 8 pages ago, which all depends on his playstyle. The argument against you now is the fact that you spent 10 pages yelling and pointing fingers in all directions while ignoring what everyone else was posting.
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so yea. These last few pages pretty much show why Bill Murray is permabanned from any games I host.
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That's mean 
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On July 07 2010 17:53 Ace wrote:
so yea. These last few pages pretty much show why Bill Murray is permabanned from any games I host.
Would you mind hosting the next game? 
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Overall summarization for convenience
Ace
Roleblocks DCLXVI (Ace writes "DCLXVI" as his death post)
youngminii
Claims DT, citi.zen is GF. Originally went for mass roleclaim but reversed his position when YellowInk criticized him.
citi.zen
Counter-claims DT, claims to have gotten townie claim on both BM and L. Not possible since DT check is only allowed at start of N2.
Point of interest: incriminating post comes at 11:43, citizen points this out at 11:44
Bill Murray
Claims jailkeeper, jailed Hesmyrr for n1 and n2. Attacks YellowInk and youngminii. Later on claims to not have known citi.zen's contradiction.
YellowInk
On July 07 2010 13:13 YellowInk wrote:The town plan in summary: Do not roleclaim Lynch citi.zen Roleblock youngminii Jail youngminii No coroner usage Detectives spy on whomever you think is most likely to be godfather besides citi.zen ** Mad Hatter bomb Bill Murray Ignore Bill Murray's posts Scratch your head at Chezinu Smile if you're town, this game is probably about to end in victory ** This is because we want to plan for our worst case scenario - the 10% I alluded to earlier. If youngminii is playing us and he is in cahoots with citi.zen, we're still on godfather hunt. If citi.zen is really the godfather, we practically can't lose. + Show Spoiler [Why we can't lose] +youngminii will get to keep getting to DT people and the mafia won't be able to target their hits effectively. After 2-3 nights following, if he hasn't found any scum, youngminii will give us a list of confirmed townies that he'll reveal which will ensure our victory even if he gets killed. We'll be able to mop up with a double lynch endgame. All of this is even assuming we have no other roles in the game besides 1 jailer and youngminii as our DT. I'm sure we have much more than this.
Divinek-Abenson is confirmed Lovers.
With death of Traitor, zek is highly likely to be confirmed mason.
My opinion on all of the claims
Ace blocked DCLXVI but there was NK, so only way DCLXVI can be anti-town is if he: 1) was recruited night two, 2) is Godfather. Of course though both possibilities are slim they should not be discounted. More concrete thing I want to mention is that Roleblocker is dead. So we should not make and push for a plan that fundementally depends on Roleblocker, pointing this out because I saw disturbing amount of posts speaking about roleblock after day three post.
Now let's get to the meat of the matter. Some people already have pointed out several possibilities regarding youngminii-citi.zen debacle:
1) youngminii is DT, citi.zen is Godfather.
2) youngminii is Mafia, citi.zen is Mafia.
I am keeping this possibility open because for being an Godfather, citi.zen seemed to be surprisingly amenable to surrendering once his "jig" was up. Don't know, I think he went down too quickly and conveniently instead of fighting with claws and teeth.
3) youngminii is Godfather, citi.zen is Mafia.
This I find much less likely than second possibility b/c mafia does not know who the Godfather is and will truly believe he is DT. Also fakeclaiming DT might bring unnecessary spotlight he exactly would not want, I think. I mean if he is fake DT real DT will be investigating him immediately upcoming night.
citi.zen cannot be PR or Townie because he first fakeclaimed, and when its logical inconsistency was pointed out citi.zen admitted he was lying and gave up; also eliminating idea that he wasd angry green lying to kill fake claimer.
As regards to Bill Murray, if there is any real Jailkeeper which DID NOT start out as Dream Catcher, please counter claim. In absense of counterclaim there are only two probabilities: 1) Bill Murray is jailer and he is indeed being horrible Townie, and 2) Bill Murray was jailer but recruited. I glanced over YellowInk's post and it seems pretty solid for now besides second scenario, I'll try to think of a plan to improve situation for all contingencies, I hope all of you others do it too. I am voting for citi.zen.
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Also mass roleclaim is stupid as hell, but I do would like role claim coming from coroner. I looked at the role list and coroner ability activates before mafia kill and recruitment, which makes him a ideal role that can be mod verified. Considering the situation if there are any other Coroner alive, as Dream Catcher who caught the coroner, I recommend him to claim now and pop the ability immediately after n3. It's worth it to absolutely confirm the validity of youngminii-citi.zen conflict.
It's a long shot, but throwing it out here. So if there really is coroner... speak out now?
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^ Very nice post. Sums up the situation nicely. I think a coroner popping tonight would be the easiest way to prove my being DT, so let's hope there's one out there.
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