EPTSo exciting to see the 1 New PM at the top when you're signed up for a mafia game
What's the purpose of the mafia roleblocker in Setup 2 that flamewheel posted? It seems like he wont be able to block anything.
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Zyrre
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So exciting to see the 1 New PM at the top when you're signed up for a mafia game What's the purpose of the mafia roleblocker in Setup 2 that flamewheel posted? It seems like he wont be able to block anything. | ||
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If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by, So I guess he means if both are somewhat inactive. Even so, a team with one good player and one inactive should be looked upon as a single good player for a regular game in my opinion. We don't gain anything from lynching the inactive half do we? Maybe looking at them slightly more suspicious, but not much. | ||
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I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. | ||
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On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote: My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me. This would be bad for mafia in my eyes. In the first day they can easily start voting early since they only need a few weak arguments at that stage to start off the voting and they will probably get a lot of townies along with them. Doing what I did would be terrible if I was mafia. If I later would want to change my vote to the best/most active townie, I would have to explain myself based on all the posting that has been done today. Instead of just the early few pages. I'm casting my vote on BM's team right now. He's arguments and plans still feel off to me. | ||
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BM wrote this: and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder... about me. The only other mafia game I played in did not have roleblockers(it was in the role descriptions, but no one got it/used it afaik). So yes, I wasn't entirely sure what purpose they served without blues. I don't think this makes me more likely to be mafia. If I was I would've asked my mafia mates about it. | ||
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Do you want me to quote it all in one post? It seems unnecessary. | ||
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BM: It would give us LOADS of information bro. Zyrre was kissing up to someone not on his team earlier in the thread for no apparent reason. If he flips red I have major FoS on someone. I'm assuming you're talking about either this: YI said: If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by, So I guess he means if both are somewhat inactive. Even so, a team with one good player and one inactive should be looked upon as a single good player for a regular game in my opinion. We don't gain anything from lynching the inactive half do we? Maybe looking at them slightly more suspicious, but not much. or this: BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI. I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. One is a simple clarification + me actually disagreeing with YI because I did not understand the voting rules (teams are lynched instead of players). The other would not be anything to go on if we would flip red. YI posted a whole lot, he pointed something out that seemed reasonable and that I would therefore base my voting on. I don't see how you can call this kissing up. | ||
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I'm usually offline from ~09 KST to ~18 KST, which is why I don't respond during the most heated discussions. | ||
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And, did I say there were only two sides? | ||
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You switched your vote off my team. You ask me about something that I've responded to already(if you thought I was mafia, shouldn't you at least read through my posts?). And then you say this: remember he denies that there are two sides... Referring to these posts: + Show Spoiler + BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI. I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. So what am I supposed to say if I suspect BM because of what he said (and YI pointed out the flaws) chez? And, did I say there were only two sides? You call that denying there are two sides? | ||
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Also, as laxer asked, is there an easy way to get multiple quotes in a post? I'm just finding them and adding them manually. | ||
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On June 25 2010 05:57 Ace wrote: I've illustrated my case on L the past few pages. If you need it to be more clear let me know. Reading through this it does sound convincing. L would be an easy target for mafia to go after though. Only one person that needs to be implicated, and L has been posting quite a lot. Some of his mistakes are ones I would make myself. BUT, since none of Ace's posts seem like mafia and Ace has been bashing L since the start, that seems highly unlikely. | ||
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On June 26 2010 03:40 YellowInk wrote: Ugh, this is really slim pickings to work with. 12 posts with any content (some not much) in 16 hours. Well, I guess that gives us a reason to lay on some pressure. People who have said something of note (currently making no judgement about whether their content makes them look good or baD): Durak, bumatlarge, DarthThienAn, Divinek, BrownBear, DCLXVI, and maybe half credit to Nikon since despite being a oneliner showed some alignment with a kind of thinking. This means we need to hear from LaXerCannon, Ace, L, more from Nikon, Zyrre, meeple, stormtemplar, and johnnyspazz. My vote is going to team 7 for resumed inactivity. This posting pattern alone is scummy. When they return to active status, I will definitely still count this as a mark against them. However, as with day 1, I expect that they will at least come forward to defend themselves and we can judge them on their merits. I know I haven't posted much, I just like to read and respond to others thoughts more. And midsummer is a big holiday in sweden so I've been afk a lot. I do understand however that that behaviour makes it too easy for mafia to just tag along. I'll analyze darth's posts before I go to sleep since I got to see his mafia style in the previous game until the end. On June 26 2010 04:03 YellowInk wrote: Now for what I'm actually thinking about. I'm still not a big fan of what Team 3 has had to say. I still think there's a good chance this is a read team due to their passive push behind BM's attacks on me. I don't feel that either Bum or LaXer's commentary have been significantly beneficial to the town. I think that even Team 7's limited/defensive posting yesterday gave us better direction and information than Team 3. Going by voting records, Team 9 looks the worst to me. While some people have carried on the torch of 'Team 9 still looks kinda scummy', consider that Team 1 and Team 2 were both voting against Team 9. Now they're dead. Granted, this is soft evidence, mafia could have done this just to make us look harder at lynching 9. With L being a single player team, he's almost just as effective if he's mafia and less effective if he's town. It's also going to be harder to pull scum tells out of this 'team' since there is only one player talking. For my part, I want to hear L talking more than the average player to make up for this. I know he's at work right now, but I wasn't impressed with his (lack of) posting at the end of day 1. Per the schedule he had posted and his posting patterns halfway through day 1, I had expected activity from him at the end of day 1 in the couple hours before the close of the day. Especially so since there was such a balance between 3 teams that anyone could easily sway the results of the vote! I'd like to note here that in my conversation with Radfield about talking at night, this would be an example of one of the more subtle thigns I chose not to talk about at night. If I had brought up L's partial inactivity at the critical time, the mafia might have chosen to leave L alive specifically because they knew I wanted him hounded for an answer and there are other people who already suspect him for various reasons. I'm not saying any of this makes L red, it's just another piece of evidence to look at. I want to hear L's explanations. All of this is soft evidence so I'm not pointing fingers about any of it yet. Lets hear what these teams have to say. The part about L is certainly true. But as I mentioned in my previous post he is also an easier target for the mafia to use as distraction. I'm not familiar with his playing style, so I don't know if he usually posts like that or not. Another reason why I will analyze darth(he is teamed with Ace who has been leading the charge on L). | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 4 gazillion posts Voted: Team 9 These are the ones I found with most significance Opens up very town like. Posts logical blue tactics. Reasons that johnnyspazz should have no reason to vote for L before anything was posted Pointing out that one of Ace's comments about L was only down to a way of thinking, so no real relevance and should be focusing on other things - acting "independantly" leans towards townie Suggesting that I vote for bumatlarge/laxer rather then BM/Chez - spending time to get my vote off a townie, no matter where it goes after that seems like something mafia wouldn't do. Could probably go both ways though since mafia might want BM/Chez spamming the thread Not much of importance during night Analysis on Radfield after his death - He did include that Radfield wrote about Ace possibly being mafia. This could easily be mafia thinking a few steps ahead, but why make the analysis on Radfield in the first place then? Korynne never mentioned suspecting Ace and would be a much better target for analysis My thoughts: If he is mafia, he is doing the same mistake as last game and helping the town too much. And since he is this active, a change in his posting shouldn't be too hard to pick up on | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + My response in bold On June 26 2010 11:13 Divinek wrote: well since lax did nikon, and i wanted to look at that team i guess ill go more indepth at zyrre wtf is this? I'm leaning towards him, why leaning, why not cast the first vote? Might it look bad? Is bm really that confusing? Are there any original ideas in this post? Nope, just agreeing with someone and leaning towards someone we now know is town 100%. It was early day 1, and yes I'm terrible on day 1. This is why I wanted to wait longer to make up my mind. he already explained this but i still think it's something to keep in the back of your mind, why wouldnt he just pm flamewheel. I dont actually know the answer to this question myself but why wouldnt he? scum radar alert! Why would townies have to go with weak arguments? Townies could be just as retarded and go with anything when there's so little info, we have good enough players that can make good enough arguments as it is. Yes, townies could accuse and vote early as well, therefore mafia can do it without raising suspicion. And the point of it is that the stronger arguments come out later on day 1 because of the amount of posts. If you don't have any convictions until the end of day 1 and then ignore what other people said that can be considered mafia-style. Blah blah mind games saying im not red could be red etc loop his arguments and plans still feel 'off', i already addressed this before, that has to be the worst logic ive ever seen for casting a vote, and as we all know now, we know this team is green even if they acted stupid so surely a red would go 'oh i could vote for the crazy town team and it wont look bad' I posted my initial suspicion when BM and YI had had an argument the length of about 2-3 posts, that seems risky to do if I was red. Yes, I probably should've quoted exactly what I was referring to, but I didn't. HE CASTED HIS VOTE AFTER GOING AGAINST WHAT HE JUST SAID HE WOULD HAVE TO DO IF HE WERE TO VOTE AN ACTIVE PLAYER. I quoted BM's lynching plan and explained why I thought it was wrong. I guess I could've quoted the continuation of YI/BM and other bashing on him, but as I posted right after reading the whole thread I felt it was obvious what I was referring to(I said myself it was badly written). meh some mind game stuff you can pull out of this, but it's his explanation for it. Simple i guess doesnt really give any reason other than, oh im siding with people that obviously some of them have to be town so it makes me look more pro town but i really have no reasons of my own note: STILL NO REASON FOR VOTE, just he 'felt' off Same as I responded to above still no come back from my attacks at his reasoning, just empty defenses openly admitting just band wagoning on a vote, though i guess this isnt the worst thing in the world for the first vote, but still these are pretty shallow and weak reasons for a vote. ok fuck you. This is the second post where you're like 'this team is very likely to be mafia' and now you're adding well another team might be, IMO, WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR OPINION? You didnt state any reason for saying why bums team might be mafia. You're just trying to throw in little jabs. I agree my posting was shit, I'm just looking at it from my perspective too much and not from others. Which is why I didn't quote a lot of stuff. Voting staying on bm for obvious reasons, if they are so obvious can you please point them out? Sigh this is looking so weak to me. Plus my read on bums team is quite green at this point so it makes me think you KNOW both of those teams are green and you'd be fine killing either of them The obvious reason was that if I changed my vote at that point, my team would have the most votes, why would I want to get lynched? switching your vote cause others are, not for logical reasons, not for something you truly see as supsicious. POST some content man I was not switching with the main bandwagon of accusation, since more people we're switching off my team I felt safe too switch and not be lynched first post with any reasoning behind anything. But this stuff isnt backed up by a vote, it's just well this person could be mafia and someone who doesnt seem like mafia is going after non mafia stuff seems unlikely confusing emptyness. This post was about 4 hours before Day 2 STARTED, I dont want to vote that early since I dont see a point too it. Especially since Ace and L were already in full debate mode. Well until anything else comes up for me im voting team 7. Could people tell me what they think, is my first level reasoning too weak here? Are these adequate scum reads? Both him and his team mate have been among the more inactive people, and both of them have voted for the only two teams i really think are green, one of which is now dead. | ||
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I quickly looked through DCLXVI's post, and aside from the ridiculous argument about Koryenne's vote switch being mafia and arguing to lynch kory/rad(which he said was just fishing for information), I don't see anything scummy. | ||
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Also some incorrect statements from L in there, for instance: You didn't attempt to build an argument around why the Jeep tell was wrong; Ace's post against it was this one: no its not. It's pretty bad theory and only pans in the most simple of newbie games. The "third" vote idea doesn't even make sense because BM doesn't understand what it meant. It had nothing to do with the 3rd player voting - it had everything to do with trying to catch where a scum would vote without drawing attention aka getting on the wagon but without being blamed for tipping it. Being that scum will vote wherever they think will allow them to escape scrutiny that statement is nonsense. I interpret this as: It doesn't apply to a lot of players and should only, if ever, be used as a slight suspicion together with independent stronger suspicions. | ||
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I looked in the voting thread earlier and though I saw it was in 24h. | ||
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