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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 22 2010 16:22 GMT
#61
Im offended by your statement!

We should really get this show on the road as to who are candidates for lynching. I dont feel comfortable just resting my vote on someone who Im not even 50/50 on. But we cant just let ourselves get swayed so we should start deciding soon. Im not sure whether having alot of different people under two red roles is good or bad, as they can spread enough while still stacking a bit with not mch consequence, but then again, we can take the direction a team is going and question them. I'd think teammates would be fine disagreing on points and not hinder the town in certain places, but we should be wary of a DT team trying to play off a rolecheck without getting mafia suspicion. If we even have one

So this doesn't happen I'd suggest a DT team to gather two rolechecks and publicly post the info on the third day, or as soon as they find red. The medic would protect the proclaimed DT baring a roleblocker for as long as possible. I dont think mafia can chance publicly faking DT with only 2 reds in the game, so trading a DT for 1 red would help alot. I think checking a town would be relatively useless as PMs are banned, so try to check legitimately suspicious teams. Id think this game will be very down to the wire if there are no blues and a half decent mafia squad. Otherwise we have have a really good chance with proper analysis.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 22 2010 16:25 GMT
#62
chez:+ Show Spoiler +
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
June 22 2010 16:39 GMT
#63
Bill:+ Show Spoiler +
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lol, clueless in The Prism!
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
June 22 2010 16:46 GMT
#64
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 22 2010 16:49 GMT
#65
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
June 22 2010 16:49 GMT
#66
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lol, clueless in The Prism!
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 22 2010 16:57 GMT
#67
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
June 22 2010 16:59 GMT
#68
The key is to move so that you will be unreadable.
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lol, clueless in The Prism!
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
June 22 2010 17:06 GMT
#69
On June 22 2010 17:57 johnnyspazz wrote:
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Di-dah-di-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-di-di-dah-dah, Dah-di-dit Di-dit Di-di-di-dah Di-dit Dah-dit Dit Dah-di-dah, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-di-dah-dit Di-dit Di-dah, Dah-di-di-dit Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-dah Di-di-dah Di-di-dit Dit, Di-di-di-dit Dit, Di-dah-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dit Dah Dit Dah-di-dit, Di-dah Di-di-dah-dit Dah Dit Di-dah-dit, Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah, Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-di-dit Dit Dah-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-dit Di-di-dah

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On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk posted:
First, just a note about activity. It's probably fair to expect every individual player to have some threshold of posting else the team should be put under scrutiny for inactivity. If we see particular players going inactive, we should not allow it and hold the team accountable. If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by, it's an easy way for mafia to try to duck under the radar or otherwise not provide much info for us to get reads on.

why should players be punished for having terrible teammates? i think it all depends on the types of posts the inactive player teammate makes. if you have a guy who's very inactive/useless and his teammate isn't, we wouldn't want to lose the good player just because his teammate sucks. i dont really understand how mafia can "duck under the radar" if one guy is active and the other isn't. can you elaborate on this?

It's already been answered by another player sufficiently, but I think there's something else worth considering in a team game.

If you get a read on one player as mafia and their teammate as town, do you accuse them? Would you hang them for it? My answer to this question would be 'yes'. Remember that if we all appear to be town, the mafia wins most games, so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. If you get a read on someone as mafia you need to put it to good use.

Now extrapolate to a semi or even fully active team member and an inactive teammate. We have an inactive 'read' on one player and a whatever (lets assume town for sake of argument) read on the active player. Is this someone to consider hanging? I again say 'yes'. Of course we go after the red as a priority, so like in any other game, targeting an inactive is something you do when you don't feel sufficiently confident about a read on anyone else.

Now if the one person is posting so much that the activity basically makes up for the other player being inactive, I'd give them consideration for a pass on this. The point is that we need every player to be active so that we have as many different reads on as many different teams as possible allowing us to root out the red. Allowing one player to be inactive (or even just semi-inactive / laying low) could allow their potentially skilled mafia teammate to be more elaborate in their lies or deception without worry of cross team tripups. This is why I think a hard stance against inactivity is appropriate even here in this team game.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 22 2010 17:13 GMT
#70
On June 23 2010 02:06 YellowInk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2010 17:57 johnnyspazz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Di-dah-di-dit Dah-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Dah-di-dah Dah-dah-di-di-dah-dah, Dah-di-dit Di-dit Di-di-di-dah Di-dit Dah-dit Dit Dah-di-dah, Di-dit Di-di-dit, Dah-dah Di-dah Di-di-dah-dit Di-dit Di-dah, Dah-di-di-dit Dit Dah-di-dah-dit Di-dah Di-di-dah Di-di-dit Dit, Di-di-di-dit Dit, Di-dah-dah-dit Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dit Dah Dit Dah-di-dit, Di-dah Di-di-dah-dit Dah Dit Di-dah-dit, Dah-di-dah-dah Dah-dah-dah Di-di-dah, Dah-di-dah-dit Di-di-di-dit Dit Dah-dah-di-dit Di-dit Dah-dit Di-di-dah

On June 22 2010 14:24 YellowInk posted:
First, just a note about activity. It's probably fair to expect every individual player to have some threshold of posting else the team should be put under scrutiny for inactivity. If we see particular players going inactive, we should not allow it and hold the team accountable. If one player is quiet and the other player just kind of scrapes by, it's an easy way for mafia to try to duck under the radar or otherwise not provide much info for us to get reads on.

why should players be punished for having terrible teammates? i think it all depends on the types of posts the inactive player teammate makes. if you have a guy who's very inactive/useless and his teammate isn't, we wouldn't want to lose the good player just because his teammate sucks. i dont really understand how mafia can "duck under the radar" if one guy is active and the other isn't. can you elaborate on this?

It's already been answered by another player sufficiently, but I think there's something else worth considering in a team game.

If you get a read on one player as mafia and their teammate as town, do you accuse them? Would you hang them for it? My answer to this question would be 'yes'. Remember that if we all appear to be town, the mafia wins most games, so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much. If you get a read on someone as mafia you need to put it to good use.

Now extrapolate to a semi or even fully active team member and an inactive teammate. We have an inactive 'read' on one player and a whatever (lets assume town for sake of argument) read on the active player. Is this someone to consider hanging? I again say 'yes'. Of course we go after the red as a priority, so like in any other game, targeting an inactive is something you do when you don't feel sufficiently confident about a read on anyone else.

Now if the one person is posting so much that the activity basically makes up for the other player being inactive, I'd give them consideration for a pass on this. The point is that we need every player to be active so that we have as many different reads on as many different teams as possible allowing us to root out the red. Allowing one player to be inactive (or even just semi-inactive / laying low) could allow their potentially skilled mafia teammate to be more elaborate in their lies or deception without worry of cross team tripups. This is why I think a hard stance against inactivity is appropriate even here in this team game.


since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team? if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game? such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do:
so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much.
?

I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this.
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
June 22 2010 17:20 GMT
#71
well hopefully if im to up my activity ill spam so much ill confuse myself

nothing like colour coding dah posts too

omg the spoilers
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
June 22 2010 17:21 GMT
#72
BM and Chez... you can PM each other. >.> So like, stop spamming up the thread... *goes to look up the morse code stuff*
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 22 2010 17:22 GMT
#73
Yeah, even if you are blue keep posting. Its very difficult to make headway as an active mafia as you inevitably try to screw with the town protecting yourself or teammates. Last game, we tried everything in our power to be as green as we could, but jst having one little fluke set us all back. And we didnt and somewhat couldnt take advantage of the power we did have, as being mafia requires being alot more far sighted then the town, because of the severe number disadvantage. So town can afford to make really instant decisions to flush out someone who has laid plans long term. Mafia has to genuinely not care about winning to fit in with not just a townie's purpose, but also a unimportant vanilla townies mentality, which would put them into the pawn to be killed for the good of the town persona. Mafia cannot replicate that role.

Make yourself expendable
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 22 2010 17:22 GMT
#74
Yeah, even if you are blue keep posting. Its very difficult to make headway as an active mafia as you inevitably try to screw with the town protecting yourself or teammates. Last game, we tried everything in our power to be as green as we could, but jst having one little fluke set us all back. And we didnt and somewhat couldnt take advantage of the power we did have, as being mafia requires being alot more far sighted then the town, because of the severe number disadvantage. So town can afford to make really instant decisions to flush out someone who has laid plans long term. Mafia has to genuinely not care about winning to fit in with not just a townie's purpose, but also a unimportant vanilla townies mentality, which would put them into the pawn to be killed for the good of the town persona. Mafia cannot replicate that role.

Make yourself expendable
Together but separate, like oatmeal
YellowInk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States578 Posts
June 22 2010 17:25 GMT
#75
On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:
since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team?

Yes.

if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game?

You’re going to need to stop muddying the waters with your code if you want me to reply to you. Why are you calling me an article of clothing? What is a yellow turban supposed to mean?

such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do:
Show nested quote +
so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much.
?

I think my posts are doing a decent job of drawing out scummy accusations. People are generating suspicion based on my words.

I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this.

At this point, I don’t actually believe you have a red read on me. I don’t know if that means you’re red yourself or just trying to draw something out of me that might actually give you a red read.

That being said, the coded messages are obnoxious. Knock it off. I want to be able to go back and reread the thread without having memorized or kept notes or retranslate every single code that you and your buddy decide to post. All they do is muddy the water – something scummy players love to do when they can make it appear innocuous.

Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
June 22 2010 17:26 GMT
#76
Also i tend to really agree with bm's line of reasoning here.

'hey guys this is what we should do to catch dem red fellars.. right?' seems quite suspicious enough to cast my random vote
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 22 2010 17:28 GMT
#77
God damn phone. The anal spamming doesnt help us :/
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
June 22 2010 17:35 GMT
#78
YellowInk, I believe BM is referring to a game Caller ran, called the Three Kingdoms Mafia where there was Yellow Turban as a 4th party. I believe he must be mistaking you for someone else because your name is not on the player list.

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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
June 22 2010 17:37 GMT
#79
Flamewheel can put a the town list in the OP of the vote thread? it would make life easier for me, and I dont want to get in trouble. Sorry yellow but your looking pretty viable for a first lynch as of now...

and no "I know im not mafia therefore I am not mafia" logic please lol

Still not going to bandwagon just yet from a team who has that cheezenoodle guy on it
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
June 22 2010 18:14 GMT
#80
On June 23 2010 02:25 YellowInk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2010 02:13 Bill Murray wrote:
since i view you as red, we should lynch your entire team?

Yes.

Show nested quote +
if I feel like you are posting like you did when you were a yellow turban, i shouldn't sit idly while you try to ruin my game?

You’re going to need to stop muddying the waters with your code if you want me to reply to you. Why are you calling me an article of clothing? What is a yellow turban supposed to mean?

Show nested quote +
such wise words from someone who is likely to be scum. perhaps you are doing the exact thing you're saying scum will do:
so the generic strategy for mafia is to appear to be town - preferably without helping them too much.
?

I think my posts are doing a decent job of drawing out scummy accusations. People are generating suspicion based on my words.

Show nested quote +
I am going to assume we are out of the RVS, and use this hypocrisy as the basis for my voting you. You are doing exactly what you'd advocate red to do - appearing town without helping all that much. Instead of discussing what someone would do... why are you even thinking of that, by the way?... you should be scumhunting but are not. Even L's obvious OMGUS is a lot less suspicious to me than this.

At this point, I don’t actually believe you have a red read on me. I don’t know if that means you’re red yourself or just trying to draw something out of me that might actually give you a red read.

That being said, the coded messages are obnoxious. Knock it off. I want to be able to go back and reread the thread without having memorized or kept notes or retranslate every single code that you and your buddy decide to post. All they do is muddy the water – something scummy players love to do when they can make it appear innocuous.



Nice try at trying to shake your mud off and put it on me -- it's not going to work. You are in line with your scum meta this game, and since you've come into the spotlight, i will not let you out of it or you are gone, lynched, donzo. period.

by taking the spotlight like you did you are either anti town who will not stay in the spotlight and are going to be lynched or you are going to help the town by staying in the spotlight you have created for yourself.

as to people who dislike encoding messages, i do not specifically see where we cannot communicate with other pro town members in the thread. i'm sure the people who are complaining (radfield and korynnes team, and team 5) are actually the teams likely to be mafia from my perspective, which is why they're complaining.

Newer players, notice how YellowInk has no logical argument towards me so he has to use colors with his posts to back up his weakness?
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