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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
Player Team # # posts Radfield 1 2 Korynne 1 13 Bill Murray 2 20 Chezinu 2 25 LaXerCannon 3 6 bumatlarge 3 15 aCe 4 12 DarthThienAn 4 5 Durak 5 4 YellowInk 5 20 L 6 14 Caller 6 1 Nikon 7 1 Zyrre 7 2 meeple 7 1 Stormtemplar 8 5 johnnyspazz 8 9 BrownBear 8 4 DCLXVI 9 4 MooCow 9 3 Divinek 9 9 Also, I saw someone format this more nicely in another game. Do you have to post it as an image or is there a way to get a table? I tried clicking all the buttons and none of them seem to make tables. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
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YellowInk
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@ Durak's post counting - I'm actually third in quantity of posts. Chezinu is first, BM is second. Now if you're interested in quality... well lets just leave that to viewer discretion. @ BM claiming sarcasm - that's a pretty awful way to present sarcasm. You may have been in a sarcastic frame of mind in writing it, but it definitely didn't come out that way. Muddying the waters. @ Chez re BM Are you guys really playing the same role? ^^ Entertainment indeed. We need to do more team style mafia. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On June 23 2010 14:03 L wrote: I'm glad you can't read, and I'm glad you learned that larger posts take time to write. Good job! I'mma let you finish, but I just have to say that you used this same argument against me and that was the worst argument of all time. On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote: Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. Yup. I was writing a big post and it fell behind as other people posted quickly rather than the nefarious reasons you insinuated. Now, what do we call it when people hold double standards? If you were looking at this sort of thing from outside where you're sitting, what would you have to say about yourself? | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On June 23 2010 14:53 Chezinu wrote: So really, we aren't killing anyone. We are just killing meeple who went afk anyways.. Not that anyone should switch votes and kill me... We should just kill meeple... yeah... uh oh... I spoke too much... how about team 8? What if team 1 shows up last minute? Its too late voting will end in like 8 hours, don't kill me! Just don't do it! Honestly, the voting for inactives is for emphasis that we the town are unhappy with their work thus far. If they're going to get 2/3 modkilled it may still be worth hanging the 1/3 remaining since they are clearly inactive. If mafia, that's still contributing to KP, but the voting influence is mostly eliminated. Is this something worth killing? It may be worth just considering other targets. We definitely still have plenty of time to discuss. I havn't been altogether impressed by team 9's content. MooCow has regurgitated a bit of what others have said and provided no real content. MooCow has also had the time to post elsewhere on TL despite having only 3 posts in this game. DCLXVI has posted nothing of relevance except 'I agree with voting on BM' in his 4 posts. In Divinek's 11 posts he has gotten slightly involved with my and Durek's arguments, poking here, questioning there. But mostly he's just posted one liner 'hey look I'm here' and finished with an 'I don't know if I'll be posting tomorrow so I'll vote now'. If team 7 is looking to get mostly modkilled, the last player is almost assuredly town and team 9 may just be a choice. If team 7 'suddenly shows up' at the end and posts no content, I'd probably want to lynch them for it. I do question the potential for partial team inactivity leading to strategic modkilling, but this probably isn't a road worth investigating. I really havn't decided one way or the other on this - I'm tired and headed to bed. Bottom line is you all need to post more. I just don't understand how people can join these games and not want to get knee deep in the middle of it. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
Lynching inactives is more a policy of encouragement to me than anything else. For instance, consider how many votes were (still are!) on team 7. Nikon and Zyrre have posted recently with much more enthusiasm of late. If they were not on the block to be lynched, would they have been quite as active as they are now? Many of their posts are more strongly worded because they are looking to persuade people towards voting elsewhere. I would agree with you that doing a bandwagon-lynch inactive at the end of day is largely ineffective. They don't have enough time to react, or even if they do, there may not be enough time to get votes shifted off of them. I am currently satisfied that team 7's activity level has risen to a more acceptable level, but they need to maintain it. Is there enough time left to pressure team 9 into doing the same? | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
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YellowInk
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I still think it's fairly likely that at least one of the teams between you and bum/LaX is mafia. I still think it's much more likely that bum/LaX is the mafia one. Because of this, hanging you gives me more information if you don't flip red. So I'm not altogether against hanging you. Given no better info, I do intend to go after bum/LaX tomorrow if you come up pro town. I don't know if people will listen to me or not. No one has really commented on my arguments, but neither have I pressed them due to apparent lack of interest. I still hope the DT is seriously considering investigating bum/LaX! So consider this me giving you your other target. I'm moving my vote back to bum. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
Here is the read explanation and response to bum's pass/agg attack: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=131987¤tpage=5#81 | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On June 24 2010 01:41 Chezinu wrote: How will lynching us give you any information? Anyways, I really wanted to change my vote too as I stated earlier. We just need enough people to change to same target. If I am reasonably confident that at least one of you is mafia due to the nature of the attack and one of you is lynched, that makes it likely the other is mafia. If one of you is lynched and you come up mafia, it makes it reasonably likely the other is town. The combined pressure, the heavily red sounding post from bum, and the illogical attacks from BM, all of these circumstances make me think that scum is involved somewhere. Since the mafia player tends to be the one more towards the shadows (and clearly bum has done a good job of not drawing attention to himself), I strongly lean towards bum being the more likely red. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
The content from this team isn't even as good as Team 7's (now that they've picked up the ball) and what content they do have mostly paints them red. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On June 24 2010 02:08 Nikon wrote: Yes, the majority of the bandwagon on me happened while I was sleeping, and since Zyrre is from Europe as well, I can only assume the same for him... That's fine. I had just done a post count after the 24 hour mark and your team came up with 1, 2, 1 posts. That was just way too low to allow - it was a reasonable bandwagon. Glad to see you guys picking it up. Just keep it up. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
I think stormtemplar is noob and needs to post more. Of his 5 posts, one was edited, and this was the only post with any content of his thoughts. He has pulled the noob card saying this is his first game. He needs to not ninjavote. Stormtemplar explain yourself! It's still nothing compared to the transgressions bumatlarge has made. He doesn't get the noob card, either. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
Also, don't put words in my mouth - I was quite clear about how your post was flawed. I never said a DT should sit on scum info. I pointed out how aligning to a plan of DT not saying anything until day 3 no matter what is a bad idea. That being said, you're making good adjustments to your 'play' in apologizing for 'errors', but I'm not exactly convinced. @DCLXVI This is not a new crusade. I called out bum much earlier and was my opening vote. As some time passed and team 7 was shown to be inactive after 24 hours and no one seemed interested in going after bum, I switched to apply pressure. As it stands now I don't have solid reads on anyone - bum is just the best target I've got. As an aside, I'm curious what L/Caller have to say about recent events. Is Caller even going to play? L is probably at work. I'd like to hear more from them though preferably in a way that doesn't confuse most people. Also Rad/Korynne, it seemed like you were going to get more active but then you got quiet again. You're right that we probably should be giving you guys more flak. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
@ all the 3 player teams to each individual player: Honestly I havn't been impressed with any of your individual content. Some of you have come up to medium level, but none of you have really been shining. Whatever else you want to say about BM/Chez, they've been very active. For some of those who havn't said as much on the 2 player teams, most of those few posts have been thick with information about their thoughts and stances. As a member of the town you are expected to each of you individually provide enough content that we can get a fair read on your stance so that we can figure to some reasonable degree if we think you are town or scum. I wonder if being on a 3 player team makes you feel that you don't need to say as much? I expect more of you. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
I had considered shifting to team 9 before going to sleep, but at that point team 9 was no worse than team 7. As you can see, the team 9 analysis is before team 7 picked up their activity - I was posing an alternative location for pressure. I had hoped that would kick team 9 into gear. When it got too late in the day, there was no reason to apply pressure to team 9 since their activities aren't precisely red, they're simply inactive. I'd be on board with putting the squeeze on team 9 at the start of tomorrow if they havn't shaped up. If BM turns up green I still thing bum would be an excellent target. Speaking of - since my 'crusade' on bumatlarge does not appear to have been well received, can people post why they don't agree with my analysis? Is it because BM looks to be a better target? Is it because you really think bum is more likely to be green? I'd like to hear responses on this because I feel like my posture is falling on deaf ears. I'd like to hear from anyone who cares about what I have to say. :D At any rate, it's not something happening today. If BM/Chez flip red, that makes bum look much more green and Team 9 deserves more scrutiny. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
So yeah, I add them manually. Just part of my habit. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
I'm going to try to refrain from repeating myself now, perhaps linking to prior posts with answers to questions/statements made in my direction. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On June 24 2010 07:53 Radfield wrote: @YellowInk: I looked through Bumatlarge's posting history: Comment Talks about previous game Responds to Yellowink, States the obvious about not being inclined towards anyone Decent Post Decent Post Random YellowInk FoS Few more posts then goes into full spam mode. After that he stops spamming and starts making decent posts again. I don't really get a huge scum vibe from him. I think that perhaps you are seeing him as more scummy then he is because of his random FoS at you. Here's what I think of bumatlarge's posts. + Show Spoiler + 34 Oneliner useless 37 Oneliner useless 43 Decent post, commentary about preference of targets but declining to start pointing fingers. 61 Previously analyzed post that reads red 73 Generic town-aligned advice 74 double post 77 Oneliner useless 79 Random FoS on me (in support of BM/Chez) 99 Vote placed on me, claims town flip makes me clearer scum 101 Twoliner useless 108 Fights when I call out his awful plan of post 61. Asks for clarification. 123 Wants me to go into hidey-hole with him (reads red to me) 172 Shifts vote away from me (after no one beyond BM supports attack on me) to inactive team 196 Buddies with Durak, my partner 205 Useless (drunk?) post 207 Oneliner useless 228 Oneliner, maybe not useless, but not very content filled either  262 Oneliner useless 279 Oneliner useless 321 Decent post, requesting information 330 Oneliner, calling Team 8 active 368 Substance post, some ok, most trash (day 4 self bandwagon???) calling for self DT clearing (to avoid being lynch target), etc 371 Trash post, potentially claiming I said things I did not. On the upside at least we agree a DT should finger a red if they find one. 372 Backpedal post. Realizes his errors and apologizes for post 61 377 Defends reasoning for vote citing team 7 inactivity and now team 8 380 Responding to Durak's questions, little of use but decent post 435 Backpedal post. Apologizes for post 123 claiming it was a joke. Claims got 'comfortable' and is reason for making useless posts. It's fair to say that FoS being targeted at me could color my view, but this post lineup still reads more red to me than the rest. I'm not happy with BM, but bum reads more red to me. I don't like inactivity, so I'm not a fan of team 9 at the moment - though that seems a problem better solved tomorrow. | ||
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YellowInk
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