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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 25 2010 02:40 GMT
#408
proof that I was going to post from my phone:

+ Show Spoiler +
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"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 25 2010 02:57 GMT
#411
On June 25 2010 11:50 johnnyspazz wrote:
whatever forget the second half of my post

i don't remember any plan to block you and radfield. can you please point to the post where this is stated? i must've missed it.



here:

On June 23 2010 00:17 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2010 00:00 Hesmyrr wrote:
On June 22 2010 08:03 Hesmyrr wrote:
Also I'm not sure I can maintain this level of activity for future days yet, so I would like to turn Radfield's mayoral proposal down. In interest of proposing more candidates, I would like to nominate Roffles. He jumped straight into discussing spell mechanics, including whether AK was block able or not, which I think is type of discussion mafia would shy away from a little. I do not know scum hunting abilities of most players however, so I would appreciate if more people voiced who they support.


Guys, you are missing this post.

acrossfivejulys -> Amber[light].
AFJ, what specific part of amber[light]'s post did you like? It is in responsibility of nominee to also give a reason for nomination so if nominated is mafia he/she can't go like "oh I picked someone in random lol". We need to know if the nomination is mafia push, or legit pro-town reasoning.

zeks -> Radfield or Amber
I just need a clarification in your argument. Why are you nominating conservative posting townies? I don't really get it.

johnnyspazz -> YellowInk
I have already pointed out this is poor, half-hearted nomination which hurts the nominated as much as the nominee. However, I still give big plus to johnnyspazz because he was catalyst that started nomination mechanics instead of some people rising up to elect themselves, which allowed townies to take more definite positions than they would have been early game.

Radfield -> Hesmyrr
Radfield, you had one game with me (Three Kingdoms Mafia) where I had not shown any indication in my ability to catch scum, and had given up my team when simple pressure had been applied to me. There are plenty of players here, some already nominated, which are also highly active, so why particularly nominate me?

Hesmyrr -> Roffles
My justification for this choice is that his inquiry of questioning seemed something mafia is unlikely to do. I rather have someone I believe to be pro-town elected, since investigating mayoral position is more perilous than some seem to believe (elaborated below).

Amber[light] -> Radfield or himself.
I really do not like this. Although I can see why you would like to classify the town into two distinguishable categories, this also breaks the town nomination system and gives you too much control over our choice of candidates. I would very much like an explanation of why you chose Radfield as your rival candidate over other players. Secondly, wow are you stressing the fact detective needs to check you. I understand that determining alignment of mayoral positions is crucial, but you are leaving out the fact that: 1) more than one detective will likely check you since they aren't coordinated effectively nullifing the town investigative power d1, 2) you could be godfather and then claim pr with occulumency d2, and 3) presence of Mafia busdriver.

I propose alternative plan. Below is the player list:
Subversion
Jugan
stormtemplar
Jayme
acrossfivejulys
johnnyspazz
lakrismamma

Radfield
LuDwig-
JeeJee
Hesmyrr
YellowInk
~OpZ~
zeks

~Roffles
DCLXVI
ElyAs
Thegilaboy
LaXerCannon
Amber[LighT]
Abenson


The person with investigative powers in red tag investigate MoM
The person with investigative powers in green tag investigate pardoner
The person with investigative powers in blue tag investigate someone else.

Much harder to counter, I think.


~OpZ~ and Amber[light] voted for Radfield.
zeks and AcrossFiveJulys voted for Amber[LighT]

Casual question to ~OpZ~... If you don't like Radfield, why are you voting for him?



Actually what you're proposing to do role checks is what I had in mind. Either that or if you are within five players of myself (1 below, 4 above) and you can role check to role check me. This will lower the possibility of overlap, but doesn't guarantee it. From there what we could do is a player cushion style. So what you do is if you are a detective then check the person above OR below you. If you stumble upon a death eater then IMMEDIATELY come forward. In future nights we will have a protection schedule set up like the detective schedule for Day 1. I was also trying to think of a reason to block your thoughts for a night, but it really won't benefit us as much, especially if players are coming forward if they find DE's. We also don't know how many times a player can use "x" spell... I'm pretty sure BM gave number maximums since it would be a bit imba if the DE's can use the AK curse an infinite amount of times.

Now this also goes back to the idea of role blockers as well. To avoid role blocking the detectives we should have the MoM, the Pardoner and the other candidates be role blocked. If any of these players are detectives they should let us know as soon as possible. What we can do is place medic (episky) on them so they can do a thought check, if they're actually able to. The role blockers will actually prevent spells, good or bad, for the night. It doesn't guarantee that they're not DE's, but it allows for the detectives to do their work without being blocked.

Also how does the bodyguard role work? Are they just protecting other players at random, if any in this game?

And I believe it is possible for detectives to have red or blue spells. I think the idea of the spells being colored is just to show whether the spell was actually "bad" or "good" in terms of the books.

We also need to decide on potential lynch targets. Right now we have a few people who are inactive so they should be considered FIRST. People like Abenson, should start posting since being quiet is not helpful.


No one spoke up, so I was assuming this was okay....
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 25 2010 02:58 GMT
#412
Page 11, for reference
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 25 2010 13:12 GMT
#417
On June 25 2010 18:53 lakrismamma wrote:
Im off for the midsummer party. -sorry I didnt have time for post analysis.
Im back on Sunday hope you catch some scums by then!


wtf dude? did you want to be lynched?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 25 2010 19:12 GMT
#448
On June 26 2010 03:19 YellowInk wrote:
The lakrismamma bandwagon sucks. I'm surprised people like ~OpZ~, Amber[Light], and Thegilaboy are voting for this assuming they are actually town. They should know better. +2 scummy points for each of you.

I think LuDwig- is a much better target if you want to go after inactives. There are no modkill rules in place. Though if BM is looking for a replacement for LuDwig-, maybe that'll do. I would agree with the sentiment that it's probably better to try to find red than go after inactives only if we are going to trust that BM is going to moderate inactivity. However, it's really hard to find red when there's 15 pages of game and 21 players, even if 3 of them are already dead.

Considering this game lagged before even getting started due to insufficient interest to fill BM's roster, I'm voting LuDwig- unless he becomes active or replaced, or something sufficiently red turns up.

Also, I couldn't find a deadline for the day. Does it end at 10:05 June 26?


I voted as a placeholder. I was anticipating changing my vote depending on how the discussion turned today.

I agree we should avoid touching the inactive players (the really inactive ones). Let BM deal with them by replacing them etc. and we will focus on who we have.

Just to clarify Ludwig- DID IN FACT POST after the game started. Check my analysis post a couple of pages back. The thing is I genuinely believe his internet access has been cut, because I stated I couldn't even find a recent post of his on TL, except for this thread.

I don't know how I feel about lynching Radfield or YellowInk. How much information will that really provide? There were three bandwagon voting patterns that occurred. In fact one of the bandwagoners turned out to be a blue (ffs!!!) It's not a really fair assumption to say "well if we lynch x and he turns up red, then everybody who bandwagoned for x must also be red." I agree that it's incredibly suspicious that there was a vote bandwagon for Radfield (that really wasn't so much of a bandwagon), but one of those bandwagoners was ALSO blue. And it's understandable how there was this push for YI at the end because of the suspicion that radfield and I are in cahoots with some epic mafia plan.

We need to make a differentiation between people who are inactive and people who are not trying. The person who is doing the least effort should be lynched today. The problem is we need to establish whether lynching said target will open up clues elsewhere.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 25 2010 19:13 GMT
#449
Also BM I would suggest asking my gf to participate as a replacement because she was interested, but I told her my role so that would be incredibly unfair
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 25 2010 19:15 GMT
#450
I will say this ONCE AGAIN:

IF YOU WERE A DT AND SEARCHED FOR SOMEONE AND DISCOVERED A SHADY CHARACTER.....

..maybe now is the time to come forward?

We can't guarantee you will be safe for another night and we need to get these clues analyzed, especially if you're having trouble figuring out who the characters are.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 26 2010 00:19 GMT
#475
On June 26 2010 07:31 YellowInk wrote:
As an additional note, even if I weren't voting zeks, voting Abenson does not fit with Radfield's plan. Going after Abenson at the beginning of the day makes sense to pressure him to talk. Going after Abenson at the end of the day is likely ambush bandwagoning a townie.


I completely agree with this, so I'm not going to vote Abenson... however at the same time we did put pressure on him twice, and he has REFUSED to post anything.

I feel bad voting for zeks, but we might gain more information based upon who targets him. Voting for Abenson will just literally rid us of another townie, if anything. There's little risk and absolutely little reward with this choice.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 26 2010 01:06 GMT
#495
you better not have been lying elyas
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 26 2010 01:39 GMT
#505
Okay guys make sure if you are a DT to check elyas!

Meds should protect themselves

Roleblockers should know what to do (check a few pages back)
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 26 2010 01:39 GMT
#506
also whatchamacallit never got a PM... so she can't really do anything yet I guess
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 27 2010 14:19 GMT
#569
On June 27 2010 22:41 Hesmyrr wrote:
Bah, the thing I wanted to happen happened, but not really
gl town! Get those darn Death Eaters.

@ Mod: I know the way I could have died without netting a kill and is aware I am not supposed to reveal it, but can you at least do some clarification on PGO itself? If DE being protected by medic targets me, does that DE die or not?


This scenario should not have happened. The medics should have been protecting themselves, if possible. There's no way a DE could protect himself AND kill within the same night.... unless another DE is able to protect as well?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 27 2010 16:38 GMT
#579
On June 28 2010 01:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Yep, as opz and radfield have just gone back and forth about, something extremely fishy has just happened. JeeJee claimed he was going to reveal information, then claimed he found nagini but didn't give a name. Then, opz said he "agreed with JeeJee that lakrismam should be lynched" before JeeJee said any such thing.

We better hear a good explanation for why this is happening. We are already losing, and lynching another town aligned and suffering another night would put us into an almost unwinnable position it seems. If JeeJee/Opz are mafia (it seems like a possibility since they must have communicated by PM), lakris seems like the perfect target since he's not here to defend himself. I'm not about to vote for lakris until I hear a truthful explanation from you two. If you ARE indeed detectives, death eaters will be going after you tonight anyway (and meds can cover you), so you might as well tell the town what happened.


This.

We've been saying this from the beginning that if you know something to just come forward. We're going to make sure you are protected. It would be foolish for a DE to target a DT if we're making sure you are okay. If anything that risks them wasting an AK (depending on how their spells worked).

I'll keep my vote on Lakrismamma since he was supposed to die yesterday.. but we need an explanation.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 27 2010 18:50 GMT
#589
I'll unvote I forgot about that :/
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 27 2010 23:20 GMT
#599
Nice work
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 28 2010 14:12 GMT
#614
On June 28 2010 17:52 lakrismamma wrote:
Sorry guys that I was unactive. Not much I could do about the lynch by the time I got back yesterday so I didnt make a alaborate defence.
Im just not sure you realise how big of a deal midsummer is in Sweden.
Good luck everyone gooo Death eaters =)


Apparently more important than being a death eater? Blasphemy!
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 28 2010 17:33 GMT
#622
you should probably not be told who to hit so mafia can't protect, or if we suggest someone and they do try to protect them we know that we should consider that individual for a lynch.

It can really work both ways, and I figured we were in night mode, but BM never said not to speak
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 28 2010 17:34 GMT
#623
Doing the latter will most likely prevent them from using another AK (if they're able to do so)
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 28 2010 18:28 GMT
#626
On June 29 2010 03:23 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2010 02:33 Amber[LighT] wrote:
you should probably not be told who to hit so mafia can't protect, or if we suggest someone and they do try to protect them we know that we should consider that individual for a lynch.

It can really work both ways, and I figured we were in night mode, but BM never said not to speak

Mafia can protect...?


I assume they have access to all spells we have
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 28 2010 21:44 GMT
#642
On June 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Whichever one is alive in the day, Day vig the other one. I suspect YI could be voldy, so we gotta find the horcrux. Anyone with an investigative role, or spell, post in thread and come out. We gotta find the hidden horcrux now. I'm expecting one of me and JeeJee to be dead. Or maybe amber...Amber just cuz he's here often and has 2.5 votes (which is how Lakris died!!)

I have no legit info on YI other than my post earlier. Spazz was okay with killing him, so I'm not sure about him. But the talk of it kinda went down. Now, my biggest case against spazz (didn't he nominate YI?), and he was completely against lynching Lakris day 2, and Spazz voted for YI day 3?

I'm not going to go over YI again, but here is some evidence...
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2010 03:39 YellowInk wrote:
@ JeeJee/LM/~OpZ~ shenanigans:
I think it would be a good idea to wait untill JeeJee himself confirms LM is Nagini. Who is to say that ~OpZ~ isn't just twisting this whole thing? Remember that lynches occur when majority is hit, not just at end of day. My vote isn't going for a LM into JeeJee lynch untill I hear the words from the horse's mouth.

Show nested quote +
On June 26 2010 03:19 YellowInk wrote:
The lakrismamma bandwagon sucks. I'm surprised people like ~OpZ~, Amber[Light], and Thegilaboy are voting for this assuming they are actually town. They should know better. +2 scummy points for each of you.

I think LuDwig- is a much better target if you want to go after inactives. There are no modkill rules in place


Also


don't worry i can't die tonight.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
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