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Radfield
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I love how I shot up to being number two most likely without a single piece of evidence . Citizen, we've been PMing back and forth but we might as well get this out in the open. Obviously something I said made you think I was mafia, and it's likely the fact that I was saying it's a bad idea to use the vig shot on moocow.
By using the vig shot tonight it means that we lose an entire night and day cycle. Instead of a lynch or lose situation on day 5, it becomes a lynch or lose on day 4. That means we lose a night of medic protection, dt checks, and watchering. Does this at least enter into the decision making process of the night vig shot?
I realize you feel quite sure that moocow is mafia, and frankly I think him most likely of our blue claimers to be mafia, and one of the most likely left in the game. Check the thread, I've said it before. But that doesn't mean he should be the first to go. We have other good targets.
If you doubt my alignment, at least check with ludwig and meeple. They are our most townie players in my mind, and I've been part of a mini town circle with them since the beginning of the game.
Anyways, if you think me scummy, at least drop a shred of evidence my way.
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Radfield
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Meeple, Ludwig, Citizen, Foolishness and AFJ seem likely to be town at this point. Seems like Foolishness is claiming one of vig or medic, which means we still have one blue among these 5 (assuming AFJ is green)
Radfield Flamewheel Moocow Redtooth Chezinu
Flamewheel and moocow are going to die soon, which leaves us with redtooth, chez and myself. Presumably one of chez or redtooth are the vig(or medic) so the other one is the last mafia. This of course hinges on whether or not people believe I am a townie. I imagine people at the center of the town circle have all this info though, which means we should have this game in the bag unless citizen or AFJ have duped us. Thoughts? Corrections?
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Radfield
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At least I know your reasoning now.
I still agree with leaving the blues for now, it's premature to kill them off.
I did not advocate lynching AFJ, I advocated vigging him. There is a subtle difference there. The reason I advocated vigging him is because we wouldn't be able to get a lynch going on him given that most people think he is town aligned. I am still mildly suspicious, and he does lead us towards our dt's sanities, which is a good thing.
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Radfield
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On June 16 2010 08:42 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Can't believe he asked you to get ME shot, wow... yeah, radfield is either very dumb or very mafia. Btw, the last person I said that about was L in my PM conversation with him.
Though citizen, I really would swap your suspicion of moocow with Ludwig.
The fact of the matter is, you had and have a lot of scummy stuff going for you.
However, if you asked me right now if you're town or not, I'd probably say you're town. I tried hard to get you lynched, and surely you understand that I'm still hoping you're mafia, because it makes me right. Unfortunately I was probably wrong about you. The part Citizen didn't post was that first and foremost I advocated not vigging anyone.
What can I say though, you've been on my mind this game, and none of the other targets have really done much at all to warrant attention.
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Radfield
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On June 16 2010 09:40 citi.zen wrote: Look, Radfield is red. If meeple and Foolish trust him, so much the worse.
I am going to stop, so I don't "dominate the debate" and other people can slowly figure this out too. Or not. Either way I did my part.
ugh
The worst part is that when you find out I'm green, you're still going to think you're justified here.
Basically you're entire case against me is that I'm saying not to use the vig hit on moocow tonight, and that I thought AFJ was somewhat suspicious. I've been very clear about my actions this game, and as far as I can tell, it's only you and AFJ that find me suspicious.
There are a few ways in mafia to be sure of something. I'm 100% sure that you have none of those on me.
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Radfield
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On June 16 2010 10:21 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 10:20 Foolishness wrote:On June 16 2010 10:19 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: MooCow PM me and citizen and meeple please Meeple is not confirmed but only likely town -- there are plenty of mafia plots that could involve meeple right now and I don't want to give mafia any unnecessary opportunities. Only PM me and citizen. Foolishness there is no way both me and ciziten are mafia -_-
Yeah, someone else getting roleblocked basically clears AFJ completely. Either way, as long as two people get the results it's fine, because you can't have one of the dts and both citizen and AFJ as mafia. So the results will come back unaltered.
Option A, the medic saved someone. Quite likely. Mafia are backed into a corner and went for another prominent blue.
Option B, we have a vet. Very Very unlikely
Option C, the mafia opted not to use there kill because they were worried about the watcher. The only reason I could see this happening is if the mafia are among people who are quite confirmed as townies, and didn't see any reason to risk it. ie, they think they are unlynchable. This seems fairly unlikely.
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Radfield
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On June 16 2010 10:33 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: This is going to get very, very interesting when we hear back about who got hit and what meeple saw.
No matter what happens, we just bought ourselves a ton of time
Start Day 3 8v2 Start Day 4 6v2 Start Day 5 4v2
we have three days to hit 1 mafia, which would buy us an extra day to hit the second mafia. Very good news.
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Radfield
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On June 16 2010 13:41 LuDwig- wrote: Just wake up. Checked radfield. Result: Green.
This is interesting. A not so subtle hinting that I'm the other mafia?
Reasons I am not the last mafia: Meeple would be dead twice over. I knew on day one that Meeple was the medic. Ludwig actually told me he trusted me as a townie and that Meeple had roleclaimed as the doctor. I PMed meeple that Ludwig told me he was the doctor, and meeple confirmed it. Me and meeple have been PMing since then.
Night one I would have roleblocked tree.hugger and killed meeple. Not sure why the mafia didn't do this. But supposidly it was because they figured tree.hugger would watch ludwig and bust him.
Night Two I knew that Foolishness was the watcher. I would have roleblocked him and killed meeple. Absolutely no downside. Can't get watched, can't get medic saved. Obviously the mafia thought that meeple had lied to ludwig though, because they made a huge mistake.
Seems like ludwig is the roleblocker as well, given that all the dt targets keep getting roleblocked. Also makes sense to have your roleblocker claim as a dt.
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Radfield
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I'm not the last red, so continue focusing your attention on the other unconfirmed folks so that once I'm dead you have some leads. I'll try to analyze Chezinu, Flamewheel, and redtooth to give you my opinion on who the last mafia is. If your dead set on lynching me, so be it, but I'll do my best to help out before I go.
It seems like at this point meeple, citizen, AFJ, Foolishness and probably moocow are all town. Presumably we all agree on this.
We get a day 4 lynch, day 5 lynch and day 6 lynch unless something very strange happens, like a second Day Vig who is mafia aligned. Assuming this is the case, we get an autowin if Redtooth gets modkilled.
Day 4 Radfield Day 5 Flamewheel or Chez Day 6 Chezinu or Flamewheel lynch or lose
If redtooth doesn't get modkilled, he should probably be lynched.
We should have this in the bag. However, mafia has almost certainly won if either AFJ or Citizen is mafia.
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Radfield
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On June 17 2010 08:26 meeple wrote: Ludwig is most definitely the roleblocker... that's the only way he can hold up his claims to be a dt...
Also... Radfield is the last mafia I beleive... too many close inexplicable ties with Ludwig then last minute trying to push away.
I trusted Ludwig because I was being impulsive about his defense of me early on and took a risk (and a rather stupid one)... but when I didn't die I thought that it kinda proved that he wasn't red... since who wouldn't take a lovely medic dangled in front of you like that. I didn't really trust Radfield... was kinda forced into it by Ludwig...
Anyways... tommorow's lynch of radfield should clinch the game for us...
Actually I never pushed away from Ludwig until Foolishness told me he was mafia. I defended ludwig up until that point, even recommending to Foolishness that we could use him as a potential medic claim to hide that you were the medic.
I find it strange that you think because I trusted Ludwig that I am mafia. I trusted him for the same reasons you did: you didn't die. The fact that I pushed so hard for Ludwig as town should be an indication I am NOT mafia. Mafia don't make things quite that obvious. Also, the fact that I was pushing for AFJ when basically everyone else in the thread thought he was town is not an indication of mafia, but one of town. If I was mafia, there's no way I would stick my neck out to try and lynch/vig him, when there were WAY easier targets to get lynched, a ton of the players were mostly inactive at that point. Mafia stay low, they don't tie themselves together obviously and try to get obvious townies lynched. That's the sign of someone not putting enough effort into the game, but still playing like they have been(busiest time of the year for me).
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Radfield
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On June 17 2010 14:08 Foolishness wrote: So who's getting checked tonight? Obviously we should do one of: Radfield, redtooth, Chezinu. Then we must decide who to kill tomorrow assuming a green result.
So I would say, we check redtooth and kill Radfield. Unless of course the result of the check is Mafia.
Trust me, if it was me as mafia, I would concede. What kind of player do you think I am? I'm not here to waste people's time.
I very much doubt redtooth is mafia, as he's playing a very strange pseudo inactive strategy if he is. It's just too obvious. He'll probably be modkilled anyways though. I think Flamewheel would concede at this point. I know Chezinu would not concede at this point. Also, Chez seems quite confident that I am not mafia, and he seems to be the only person in the thread who really thinks so. The only other player in this game who was sure I was pro-town was Ludwig.
Also, Flamewheel isn't necessarily not mafia because he got roleblocked. Ludwig needed to roleblock Flamewheel so that if the watcher looked at flamewheel, he would see that both 'dts' visited. Also, we have a watcher, tracker, doctor and dayvig. It seems likely we have a naive dt and not a sane one. Having a sane dt would make this game a cakewalk.
I recommend that if you lynch me, you then lynch Flamewheel and Chezinu, in whatever order you like.
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Radfield
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Well, Chez IS crazy if that's what you mean....
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Radfield
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On June 18 2010 07:31 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2010 07:30 Chezinu wrote:On June 18 2010 07:28 meeple wrote:On June 18 2010 07:21 Chezinu wrote: So the results came back green and your just acting crazy because I have rubbed off on you? Or do you wait til day for results and you have decided to start acting crazy because I have rubbed off on you? I most definitely had an influence on that last post.
btw, this game is dead. It's dead because its basically over... no more suspense Who's mafia? Pretty sure radfield's the last one...
The best part is that I'm not the last mafia. The fact that you're all so sure is blinding you to the real last mafia. Hopefully the thread picks up once I die.
Is Redtooth dead? Is night over? Presumably in 20 minutes or so night is over?
I really don't understand all the 'pushing away' from ludwig that you keep talking about meeple. I think you've kind of invented that in your mind to make me seem more mafia than I am. I was quite confident ludwig was legit until Foolishness told me he was the last mafia. I never "pushed away".
Somewhere along the way you guys started thinking I was red, but you really don't have nearly as much evidence on me as you think. You're all acting as if I was rolechecked and came back red, but really all you have is this:
I trusted Ludwig. I trusted him for THE EXACT SAME reasons as meeple. The fact you were alive meeple almost guaranteed Ludwig must be town.
I thought AFJ was mafia, and lying about getting roleblocked to try to squirm out of getting lynched. It just seemed so implausible at the time that he would be roleblocked(but of course it makes sense, I just wasn't being open minded to the possibility).
That's basically the entire case against me, and it's very thin. I don't even understand how Foolishness and Meeple could possibly think I'm mafia...I KNEW your roles guys. I've jumped forward with my ideas and opinions all game, and some of them were wrong. I think it strange that you guys think I would play this bad if I was mafia. I gaurantee you, when I'm mafia, it won't be that obvious.
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Radfield
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Yeah it happens, I'm glad my passionate last post got in there before the end
Good Game All!!
Citizen, amazing take-out of L
Meeple, and Foolishness, great work on catching Ludwig
AFJ, sorry I doubted you much, to my own detriment.
Good job mafia on sniping Tree.hugger night 1
Sorry to all that I didn't play a bit better, I was definitely off this game, and couldn't put in quite as much effort as I normally do. Quick question Korynne, what was Moocow's alignment?
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Radfield
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Chez did anyone of your random riddles and codes actually state you were mafia?? Because that would be kind of fun.
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Radfield
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On June 18 2010 10:18 Vivi57 wrote: also, I was the only person who voted for scum day 1 or 2 :D
That's true, nice read. Too bad you didn't convince us too.
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Radfield
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On June 18 2010 10:29 flamewheel wrote:Thank god it's over. Also too many information roles. hosts. =.=
Well if moocow was naive then it's just the watcher and tracker
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Radfield
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On June 18 2010 16:01 Chezinu wrote: Btw, Who said that at most there were going to be 5 blue roles? That was a good call.
Hmm, I guessed we would have at least 5 blue roles, but I was quite wrong on which roles I thought would be in it.
On June 18 2010 18:21 DarthThienAn wrote: GUYS RADFIELD DIDNT DIE?
Stop the presses! First ever late game scenario for me
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