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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 08 2010 10:50 GMT
#98
Thanks for the heads up.
I'll join if you guys still have a spot.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 09 2010 21:55 GMT
#130
On June 10 2010 06:50 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Sup bitches! MooCow hope you're not bitter <3

Haha i'm not.
Looking at the above posts so far I hope this game has lots of lols.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 09 2010 21:59 GMT
#132
You should vote to lynch yourself and then later we'll get a bandwagon on someone else in the last few minutes before the lynch!
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 09 2010 22:03 GMT
#136
I'm not!
I was trying to be funny. I laughed at the thought of it. ^^~
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 10 2010 00:04 GMT
#157
On June 10 2010 08:14 Vivi57 wrote:
This should be fun.

Also, is lynching an inactive really best? We've done that since forever and people are so used to the strategy that I don't think it'll give us as much in the way of vote lists and voting patterns to analyze.

I say that we make everyone talk then analyze behavior and if someone appears scummy, we shouldn't insta go for the inactive.

Lynching inactive people does this, it forces people to talk unless they want to be lynched.

If someone appears to be scummy then of course we should lynch them but how do we get people to appear to be scummy? By forcing them to talk. How do we get people to talk? By lynching the people that don't talk/are inactive.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 10 2010 12:00 GMT
#188
With all this talk about DT's vs Watchers vs Trackers and Ludwig claiming to be a DT.
And plans involving DT's etc, aren't DT's a bit useless in this game?

From Incognitos post below there's only a 25% chance we actually get a DT that's not going to give us wrong information.

Ex If we get an actual DT claiming someone is scum and we lynch them and they flip townie, then of course we are going to lynch the DT that told us that information. So the DT is useless because he was a Paranoid DT.

So whoever has a DT role should probably keep their info to themselves until they know which sanity level they are at.
On June 09 2010 13:29 Incognito wrote:
PMing is allowed this game.

Sane DT - is like a regular alignment cop.
Insane DT - alignment cop that gets flipped results
Paranoid DT - Always receives Mafia from checks
Naive DT - Always receives Town from checks

Medic variants removed.

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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 10 2010 21:33 GMT
#222
It was pretty funny but Chez only shoots blanks apparently.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 11 2010 16:06 GMT
#263
I'm going to shake things up a bit.

If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.

I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 11 2010 17:54 GMT
#268
On June 12 2010 02:40 flamewheel wrote:
So as many would have thought, we've ended up with a lot of people claiming green, myself amongst them. As citi.zen said, most likely there will be mafia hiding in this crowd, since we've only had two... wait a minute.

Hmm, MooCow and LuDwig-...

So we have two people claiming Detective. This is going to take some thought, since we also have a Tracker claim--meaning that there'd be a very minimal chance of there being two DTs. So obviously, one of them is lying.

...To PM land we go!

Oh also MooCow I'm not sure how you could have expected LuDwig- to "screw up" on Day 1 seeing as very little to mess up on.

Yea there wasn't really that much to look out for but I thought a mafia would be likely to try an claim a blue role as soon as possible, which he did.

When Chezinu fake shot him, his reaction was funny and I just have a gut feeling he isn't blue/townie unless there happens to be 2 detectives which everyone is saying there is a low chance of that being.



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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 11 2010 17:59 GMT
#270
Just read AFJ's posts and I guess he might be a vet or something role claiming a detective.

I guess that is fair but it seemed like he tried to role claim so quick.

I might be wrong but detectives just don't see that strong in this game. There's a 50% chance i'll be completely useless. i.e. Paranoid/Naive.

But if anything does happen to me I think it's safe to say you guys can try lynching LuDwig the next day.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 11 2010 18:18 GMT
#277
On June 12 2010 03:13 johnnyspazz wrote:
do you know if you're roleblocked or not? cause if the tracker follows the roleblocker and the person who is blocked knows he's roleblocked, then the roleblocker just revealed himself.

Yea the person you roleblocked will be informed that they were roleblocked.

I'm a bit fearful for my life now that i'm in the open like this so i'm going to ask if there are any kind medics around.

No offence to you LuDwig but is anyone else reading LuDwig posts with a bit of an Italian accent with his grammar and wordings or is it just me?
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 11 2010 19:38 GMT
#285
Updated Role claim list:
Ludwig (Detective)
tree.hugger(Tracker)
MooCow(Detective)

Radfield
Ohn
johnnyspazz
AcrossFiveJulys
RebirthOfLeGenD
L
Flamewheel
redtooth
Vivi57
Foolishness
~Opz~
cit.izen


Still have meeple and Chezinu left to role claim.

As a DT I would have no problem doing any of the mentioned things to help the town but as flamewheel mentioned there's a lot of problems with DT's in terms of their sanity and trying to find it out.

I said this in an earlier post but with all the drawbacks of being a DT ( sanity ) I'd have no problem if mafia killed me and you guys somehow manage to figure out who did it. That'd be great for town.

I'll vote later because i'll be around before the time's up but currently Jspazz has the highest due to inactivity.

@LuDwig It's easy to understand and it's not poor at all. I was just saying that I think of an Italian accent when you do mess up.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 11 2010 22:29 GMT
#294
BAM i'm here to rescue you again AFJ!

So LuDwig claims he had a long PM discussion with Meeple. He said meeple was helpful and stuff and he's not suspicious of him. He also claims that meeple said he was a townie I believe LuDwig.

From Flamewheel posts I understand that "Meeple is always around". Which means he's probably played a few games before. What i'm thinking is could meeple be taking advantage of LuDwig because imo from this POST. LuDwig comes off as a new player to the game. I am too ( only my 2nd mafia game and I died near the start of my first. )

Also since meeple messaged LuDwig after LuDwig roleclaimed, why didn't meeple come out and also roleclaim his townie role like everyone else?

I'm not sure if meeple is a really kind helpful guy like AFJ or what not but I just thought i'd point this out.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 11 2010 23:04 GMT
#300
There's no "I hate meeple funfest"

I only gave my thoughts about you because of what LuDwig said and you have to admit it was a bit suspicious.

Voting for Jspazz though due to inactivity and him voting someone then saying he wont be here to change if needed etc.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 11 2010 23:27 GMT
#304
Is there anyone specific that the town in general wants to be inspected from the DT?

If no one has anyone specific I think i'll just check the 2nd person with the most votes for lynching.

Also remember the sanity thing. Insane, Sane, Paranoid and Naive.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 12 2010 01:29 GMT
#314
On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:
damn.

Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.

Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.

Sound decent? Comments plz.

Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo.

I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 12 2010 02:37 GMT
#323
On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:
On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:
On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:
damn.

On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.

Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.

Sound decent? Comments plz.

Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo.

I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates.

Please do not send in your night action right away!!!

Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets.


If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid?

I'll wait for the town to decide whoever they want checked out.

I just threw my idea out there because no one else had any.

If I were mafia I wouldn't of risked myself by coming out and saying i'm the 2ND DT in the game with everyone believing that there is only 1 DT in the first place. I welcome any watcher/tracker.

Well there's a 50% chance i'm completely useless in terms of checking people out and on top of that making people believe I am protown.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 12 2010 02:42 GMT
#324
Ok since we have 2 DT's and we need to figure out their sanity how about both LuDwig and I check the same person and respond with our results.

While having the watchers and trackers on us and our targets? Then we can try and work something out with the information we get.

I know there's a lot of drawbacks to this method but it's just a suggestion for the time being.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 12 2010 17:46 GMT
#337
On June 13 2010 02:25 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 12:56 L wrote:
On June 12 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:
On June 12 2010 11:35 L wrote:
On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:
On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:
On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:
On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:
damn.

On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.

Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.

Sound decent? Comments plz.

Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo.

I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates.

Please do not send in your night action right away!!!

Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets.


If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid?
Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own?


lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive

I'm not being defensive. I'm wondering why you're purposely not answering your own question. This post hasn't really answered the question either, so feel free to get to it whenever you feel like doing some work.


It was a question to make people think and discuss... if they're both checking the same person (me?) then we can see which detective to trust and kinda follow their lead.

I think we should check on someone that we want to lynch to help find out the sanity level of the DTs.

So we should decide on someone soon because the night is almost over. ACTIVITY?!
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 12 2010 18:00 GMT
#339
On June 13 2010 02:50 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2010 02:46 MooCow wrote:
On June 13 2010 02:25 meeple wrote:
On June 12 2010 12:56 L wrote:
On June 12 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:
On June 12 2010 11:35 L wrote:
On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:
On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:
On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:
On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:
damn.

[quote]
Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo.

I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates.

Please do not send in your night action right away!!!

Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets.


If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid?
Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own?


lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive

I'm not being defensive. I'm wondering why you're purposely not answering your own question. This post hasn't really answered the question either, so feel free to get to it whenever you feel like doing some work.


It was a question to make people think and discuss... if they're both checking the same person (me?) then we can see which detective to trust and kinda follow their lead.

I think we should check on someone that we want to lynch to help find out the sanity level of the DTs.

So we should decide on someone soon because the night is almost over. ACTIVITY?!


The problem with checking someone that we want to lynch... is that they might turn up red and while that would bag up some red it also wouldn't tell us anything about the sanity of the cops.

Eh?! Getting a red like that is totally worth not knowing the sanity level of the DT's imo.

Besides it only slows the us down by a bit if we don't know the DT sanity level but it's a huge gain getting a mafia.

What do you guys think of Chez? If he is going to get mod killed from inactivity we can experiment on him. I hope not though because he seems like a fun mafia guy to play with.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 12 2010 21:52 GMT
#353
Hmm I thought we were going to decide and try and get a plan into motion?

Is it just LuDwig throwing in his vote for AFJ?
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 12 2010 23:22 GMT
#364
AcrossFiveJulys is town aligned.

From my DT findings. LuDwig said he's going to sleep so we won't get to see what his findings are until later.

Surprised no one protected treehugger..lazy medics
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 13 2010 00:42 GMT
#370
So in terms of waiting for blue information we only have to wait for LuDwig and meeple? I don't think anyone else rc'd a blue role other than the dead treehugger.

I already revealed my information on AFJ ( town ) aligned.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 13 2010 10:49 GMT
#411
AFJ + Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2010 16:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Ok. 2 "detectives" checks have come back townie on me. I think this should convince most of you that I'm indeed townie so that we don't have to waste a lynch.

The possible scenarios right now are MooCow and ludwig are both detectives or 1 of MooCow, Ludwig are detective 1 are veteran. I didn't include the scenario where 1 or both are role claim faking because it doesn't seem likely that a mafioso would risk there being exactly 1 detective or exactly 1 veteran but not both (otherwise there'd be 3 role claimed detectives and clearly 1 would be lying). I also didn't include the other clearly improbable scenarios.

MooCow detective, Ludwig detective:
The only way I would turn out to be mafia is if both of them are either naiive or insane. This seems improbable.

1 detective, 1 veteran:
If I'm mafia, this would imply that we have one naiive or insane detective. We won't gain much from lynching me because if I flip townie that will only say that our detective is either naiive or sane. Furthermore, we won't know whether to trust ludwig or moocow's findings because we won't know which is the detective unless they both decide to reveal their roles. This undesirable situation is a result of L's rather myopic plan.

I hope this justifies going after other targets besides me today (hopefully going after someone that seems suspicious from their voting and posting behavior) since lynching me would provide minimal help and waste a townie and a lynch.


Yep, even though the results are good ( both us DT's getting the same results ), I think we chose a bad target ( AFJ ) to investigate because I don't think he's suspicious or mafia like enough and the results show him as a townie

As I said before we should of investigated someone that was inactive or someone that we were willing to lynch 100% as a test figure to check everyone out.

I know LuDwig had to sleep so he just chose AFJ which is fair enough imo. So as a town group maybe we can chose 2 people before hand ( while we still have 3 days before the night action ends ) to chose who we want to investigate/track then we can get some very solid information.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 13 2010 12:47 GMT
#416
I'll do a bit of my thoughts and analysis on Flamewheel!

Flamewheel

*First post he revels he's actually the Godfather, lynch him.

Posts in the actual start of the game : 18
#141 Gives some of his thoughts on the balance of the game. Nothing really solid.

#151Wants to lynch an inactive which we did ( Jspazz )

#164He's up for roleclaiming which we all eventually do except for Chez.

#242 A bit later he rc's townie, just in between the mass rc'ing of townies.

#279 Gives his thoughts on 2 people rc'ing DT's ( MooCow and LuDwig) but imo doesn't really say anything useful.

#326He votes for himself ( knowing that he won't be lynched but just as a placeholder because he won't be back in time for the voting )
He also gives a plan that's almost exactly the same thing I posted for the 2 DT's and watcher to do.

Lasts few posts were just *one *liners not saying much.

Conclusion
He's actually not that active in this game imo. A lot of his posts end with something like he'll be back in a few hours or has to do something for a few hours, which is understandable, but may also be a mafia trying to cover up for his inactivity.
He doesn't say much in any of his posts but he did say he will do an analysis.
All of these things make me suspicious of him and I think he's mafia from my analysis so far.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 13 2010 16:06 GMT
#419
On June 13 2010 23:29 LuDwig- wrote:
I think that we need to put some fixed point in the game. We really don't know nothing for sure. We only know that two people claimed DTs, that they told us they rolechecked and that AFJ is green.
Are they sane, insane, naive?
The only way to know it (or at least starting to make thnigs more clear)is lynch AFJ ..

I also thought on lynching MooCow...because i really don't believe him...If it turs out red it would be a great move..but if he is a DT for real? That would be a huge loss for the team that can make us loose the game.

We can lynch another people at random..but then..why simply don't lynch you?

What? You're not making much sense...

You can lynch me if you want if it helps the town i'm all for it because DT's aren't that useful as you say.

Also I don't think we should lynch people at random either... that's why we are trying to find suspicious behavior from players and such to lynch them... and not... randomly....
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 13 2010 16:07 GMT
#420
On June 14 2010 01:04 LuDwig- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 07:47 Radfield wrote:
##Vote Redtooth




can you explain this?
In this thread you say a thing then you do another one?

???

Lol. That was his vote from yesterday....

Today ( using TL time June 13th ) Radfield voted for AFJ..
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 14 2010 00:40 GMT
#456
On June 14 2010 09:34 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2010 09:23 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Vivi57 just ninja'd a vote:

+ Show Spoiler +

##vote AcrossFiveJulys

to help confirm sanities. I may or may not muster up enough energy to do a pbpa of citizen/foolishness/meeple/moocow later so this vote is also here incase I don't make it back in time.


People, if you are just looking at the last page of the thread, vote for me ONLY if you think I'm suspicious as mafia, NOT if you think it's going to reduce detective uncertainty. If I get lyched and flip green, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are naiive or sane. If I get lynched and flip red, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are insane or naiive. So guess what? This doesn't help much; either way they could still both (or the 1) be naiive. The only way to know for sure the detective(s) sanity after that will be if the detective happens to get back a red role check and you lynch them. Banking on that happening soon isn't smart. This is not a good plan for the town, people.

This is a pretty good argument imo,

Oh! another tip: If you are the person about to get killed you should totally pretend to be Dvig and type a command to kill someone. That will add suspense!

Both you and radfield milked all the cool suspense out of that Dvig trick no one will be fooled by that anymore
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 14 2010 03:24 GMT
#475
Even though I invested AFJ I still don't think we should lynch him because even if he is mafia they still only have 1KP so that doesn't really change much unless we get a role blocker and either way if we do get role blocked again someone should come out and say so.

I'm one for lynching the inactive in this game especially because of the 1KP mafia. Either way AFJ is heavily in the spotlight we can rest assured that he'll be banging on about something in the coming days, which would either help us or make us lynch him.

Now with AFJ being suspected of being a mafia and me coming out and defending him will obviously make me look like a mafia.

If I were mafia I would not chose to investigate another mafia target.
There were a couple ways I could of avoided this situation.
1. Chose the target before letting LuDwig chose the target. Why would I want to risk investigating another mafia member? ( I'm a lot more active than LuDwig but I let him chose ). I wanted to investigate someone inactive so we could lynch them as a test pig.

2. I wouldn't come out here and try to defend him and draw attention to myself. The risks of me doing this as a mafia almost has no reward. If it were 1KP/2Mafia then yea I would of been rewarded if AFJ is safe but doing this gives me nothing as mafia. If he flips red I can plead insane/paranoid and it puts me in the same boat as LuDwig. ( I also posted my findings on AFJ before LuDwig did )

So I don't think he's really mafia but maybe he is. For today I think we should just look at 2 of those inactive, lynch one and pre-plan for the night so we can all be on the same targets ( meeple, if he checked AFJ and came out with his information this would be a lot easier )
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 14 2010 12:06 GMT
#489
? LOL indeed
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 14 2010 12:17 GMT
#490
So citizen is a vig and he killed L?

@LuDwig we also need the tracker/watcher to be involved to make sure everyone is telling the truth.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 14 2010 17:39 GMT
#509
On June 15 2010 02:37 Foolishness wrote:
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On June 15 2010 02:31 citi.zen wrote:
On June 15 2010 02:27 Foolishness wrote:
On June 15 2010 02:00 meeple wrote:
I'm down with RoL more than Vivi57... there's little/no case to be made for/against Vivi since he's so inactive.

To go by history, Vivi57 is usually inactive when he's townie, and very active if he has a blue role. Not as sure as when he's mafia, but I'd go for RoL just in case.

You're pretty confirmed too I guess, with A5J.

You mind explaining any of that?

I think he's saying that because L wanted to lynch you if AFJ was red.

But the problem with that plan was if we did follow L's plan and lynched AFJ, he would of probably flipped town, and we wouldn't have to lynch you.

So I don't think Foolishness is pretty confirmed.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 14 2010 19:13 GMT
#516
Voting for RoL for inactivity and all around suspiciousness.

I'll change it to whomever seems more appropriate later if needed.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 14 2010 21:39 GMT
#534
I think he was just trying to confuse the town. He claimed he had private information and both dt's checked you out so you were a very easy target for him.

can we agree on a target before hand so we aren't confused about who we are going to lynch the next day so all our blue roles can check each other out and hopefully help the town.

These are the candidates for the next day lynch, Vivi and ohn. We can obviously change as the game flows but I want to make sure we are all on the same page for when the night action comes in.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 14 2010 22:55 GMT
#539
On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:
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On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.

If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.

I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much.



haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__.

How to discover who is lying?

The plan is quite easy!
[blueTracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night!
So we will know for sure who is lying

MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right?


BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb).

yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot.

But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure
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Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo.

I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 14 2010 23:06 GMT
#542
On June 15 2010 08:00 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote:
On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.

If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.

I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much.



haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__.

How to discover who is lying?

The plan is quite easy!
[blueTracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night!
So we will know for sure who is lying

MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right?


BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb).

yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot.

But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure

Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo.

I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now.

We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that)
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I never said I wanted to lynch LuDwig atm. I just said i'd check up closer on him.

I've been trying to rally people to chose an early target to lynch as a test pig for us all ( the blues ) to check up on and prove our roles.

I don't mind trying AFJ idea but I don't like bringing in extra people because it can cause so much more confusion with more lies and claims from other people rather than having one target.

I suggested Vivi and Ohn earlier. Vivi just improved some of his activity and some pretty good information.

Foolishness also chooses ohn. So if we can decide earlier so our night actions aren't made last minute and from one person like last night ( LuDwig ) we can work some stuff out.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 14 2010 23:29 GMT
#548
On June 15 2010 08:18 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2010 08:13 Foolishness wrote:
On June 15 2010 08:06 MooCow wrote:
On June 15 2010 08:00 Foolishness wrote:
On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote:
On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.

If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.

I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much.



haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__.

How to discover who is lying?

The plan is quite easy!
Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night!
So we will know for sure who is lying

MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right?


BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb).

yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot.

But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure

Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo.

I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now.

We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that)

I never said I wanted to lynch LuDwig atm. I just said i'd check up closer on him.

I've been trying to rally people to chose an early target to lynch as a test pig for us all ( the blues ) to check up on and prove our roles.

I don't mind trying AFJ idea but I don't like bringing in extra people because it can cause so much more confusion with more lies and claims from other people rather than having one target.

I suggested Vivi and Ohn earlier. Vivi just improved some of his activity and some pretty good information.

Foolishness also chooses ohn. So if we can decide earlier so our night actions aren't made last minute and from one person like last night ( LuDwig ) we can work some stuff out.


We got 2 hours until day is over. RoL is already dead unless something drastic happens, which it won't. So we might as well talk about what night actions are going on. First thing is obviously to coordinate DT checks. We might as well vote on it.

##vote Ohn for DT checks


I'm leery of DT checking ohN because he may not respond to us asking him if he got roleblocked, which is very important information if you buy into the plan I proposed (even if we don't end up lynching ludwig or moocow, in the end the more information the better right?).

I think we should go with my earlier plan of 2 DT's checking one target ( possibly Ohn ). Watcher/tracker follows up on us or the target to make sure everyone is telling the truth and we all reveal our information.

But with the new info we have ( AFJ and citizen MAYBE 100% town or someone we can REALLY trust) how about we PM our findings to them so we don't reveal it to the public and we'll continue from there?
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 14 2010 23:34 GMT
#550
On June 15 2010 08:31 Chezinu wrote:
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On June 15 2010 08:28 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
On June 15 2010 08:20 Foolishness wrote:
On June 15 2010 08:18 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
On June 15 2010 08:13 Foolishness wrote:
On June 15 2010 08:06 MooCow wrote:
On June 15 2010 08:00 Foolishness wrote:
On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote:
On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.

If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.

I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much.



haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__.

How to discover who is lying?

The plan is quite easy!
Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night!
So we will know for sure who is lying

MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right?


BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb).

yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot.

But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure

Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo.

I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now.

We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that)

I never said I wanted to lynch LuDwig atm. I just said i'd check up closer on him.

I've been trying to rally people to chose an early target to lynch as a test pig for us all ( the blues ) to check up on and prove our roles.

I don't mind trying AFJ idea but I don't like bringing in extra people because it can cause so much more confusion with more lies and claims from other people rather than having one target.

I suggested Vivi and Ohn earlier. Vivi just improved some of his activity and some pretty good information.

Foolishness also chooses ohn. So if we can decide earlier so our night actions aren't made last minute and from one person like last night ( LuDwig ) we can work some stuff out.


We got 2 hours until day is over. RoL is already dead unless something drastic happens, which it won't. So we might as well talk about what night actions are going on. First thing is obviously to coordinate DT checks. We might as well vote on it.

##vote Ohn for DT checks


I'm leery of DT checking ohN because he may not respond to us asking him if he got roleblocked, which is very important information if you buy into the plan I proposed (even if we don't end up lynching ludwig or moocow, in the end the more information the better right?).

Him not responding means he's of no use to the town, and even if he's town aligned he should die. Also confirming DT sanities out of it is even better for us.

Obviously if you have someone better, give reasoning and vote. There's no reason not to unless you're mafia.


Hmmm... ok, I'm fine with ohN as long as we have our less suspect detective (MooCow) rolecheck him and have Ludwig role check another (bit more active) person (call them person A). That way A will probably be the one to say they got role blocked, if anyone.

And dude, it's time to stop accusing me of being mafia.


I'm here and I'm willing to change my vote. I'll be around for like another 30-40 minutes.


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Just a FYI we aren't voting ohn for this current lynch right now. This is for the next lynch so we can confirm for all our blue roles on who to check.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 14 2010 23:43 GMT
#552
What I mean is if we were going with my plan, both DT's get their information right and we PM it to a someone we trust so one or the other can't copy each other ( although there's only a 50% chance ).
The PM'd person confirms that he has both the DT's results and goes public with it.
The information will become public to everyone just not initially.

Basically imo it's just an extra method to stop one or the other from claiming to find the same info ( only 50% chance though ) but still worth it and pretty easy to do.

We can even PM 2 people ( AFJ and citizen ) you guys confirm it and then come out with the information to the public.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 15 2010 00:00 GMT
#554
On June 15 2010 08:50 meeple wrote:
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On June 15 2010 08:43 MooCow wrote:
What I mean is if we were going with my plan, both DT's get their information right and we PM it to a someone we trust so one or the other can't copy each other ( although there's only a 50% chance ).
The PM'd person confirms that he has both the DT's results and goes public with it.
The information will become public to everyone just not initially.

Basically imo it's just an extra method to stop one or the other from claiming to find the same info ( only 50% chance though ) but still worth it and pretty easy to do.

We can even PM 2 people ( AFJ and citizen ) you guys confirm it and then come out with the information to the public.


Well... I think its a good idea to PM citi.zen with the info... since then at least you're unaware of the other people's findings... I doubt its really all that useful since it's not really that profitable to copy the other persons results.

Well my thinking was

Scenario

Both A and B claim DT. A post his findings first to the public. If B is mafia he can simply copy whatever I say to make himself also look like a DT.

Although as I said there's only a 50% chance this will even do anything. If either the DT is a mafia in hopes that they don't want to potentially screw up.

It's pretty simple to do with someone we trust and as i said before it may or may not be useful but it just adds a bit of trouble for the mafia.

It was a suggestion but if no one wants to do it fair enough we can just go public straight away with our information.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 15 2010 00:17 GMT
#560
Would Vivi, as a mafia, give information on another potential mafia and throw him under the bus like that?
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 15 2010 00:18 GMT
#561
woops wanted to add

I'm not sure that he would give that kind of information.

But i'm willing to change my vote to whomever because we are basically wasting our lynch on an inactive.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 15 2010 00:58 GMT
#577
On June 15 2010 09:55 Foolishness wrote:
Assuming all 3 are killed, we need to discuss who DTs are checking as well.

Yep we should definitely find a new target after all the killings and decide so we don't have to do a last minute scramble.

Also first mafia game bandwagon hoo!
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 15 2010 01:07 GMT
#586
On June 15 2010 10:03 meeple wrote:
Ah well... hopefully we see red blood tonight... with 4 kills its hard to beleive we won't. Still its shitty to win by inactivity

Was thinking the same thing.

I thought this game was supposed to be really active -_-;;
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 15 2010 01:14 GMT
#590
Haha no one even mentioned ~OpZ~.

Hi-five mod kills!
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 15 2010 01:19 GMT
#594
Well right off the bat i'm thinking LuDwig. Thanks Vivi ( now deceased ).

He seemed to have really wanted to follow L's plan and defended him etc. He also seems new to the game so I think L was helping him along a lot. His posting has dropped a bit since L got shot.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 15 2010 01:34 GMT
#602
On June 15 2010 10:28 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
My suggestion for night actions:

MooCow investigates Flamewheel
Ludwig investigates redtooth
Meeple watches Flamewheel
Medic flips a coin to protect MooCow or Meeple (if ludwig dies and flips town we pretty know MooCow is mafia, otherwise we all suspect ludwig)
Hatter plants bomb on whomever they choose besides the above people

Flamewheel/redtooth: it's very important that you say if you got roleblocked. If one of you lies, we can kill both you and the detective who investigated you in order reduce the mafia count to 1.

People like?

I have no problem following this plan but i'll admit I don't 100% really understand this plan but if everyone likes it i'll follow suit.

Explain this to me as if I were an 8 year old.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 15 2010 01:57 GMT
#607
On June 15 2010 10:51 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
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On June 15 2010 10:48 Foolishness wrote:
On June 15 2010 10:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Shit I just realized there's a vulnerability in my plan: the role blocker can just role block meeple.

Thinking....

If we have both DTs check the same person, and kill that person, we can nearly figure out both their alignments. This would immensely help prove you innocent as well (assuming you are). Don't you want to be confirmed innocent?


That's only going to help if the role check(s) come back red. That plan is fine to fall back on if we can't construct a more elaborate one that will give us juicy information.

Why does it only help if the RC comes back red?

We chose someone that we want to lynch in advance and no matter what the RC comes back as we lynch them to help solve our sanities.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 15 2010 02:27 GMT
#613
Have you been following the thread? You did this before.

I'm suspicious but you're using my ideas in the first paragraph. I suggested all these things before Foolishness. If I were mafia why would I give the townies ideas on how to do things etc?

What exactly makes you guys trust LuDwig?

His actions protecting L and pushing for L's plans?
His sudden inactivity as soon as L is shot?
His initial reactions from when Chez was fooling around shooting people?
His overall low activity?
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 15 2010 02:31 GMT
#615
2nd I died near the start of my first so this is probably the furthest i've been
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 15 2010 20:54 GMT
#637
Yea I must be REALLY bad at this game for citizen ( if he's town ) to want to kill me.

I'm not even trying to look like mafia and i'm DT but I still come off as mafia!

2 faces -__-;; T__T.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 15 2010 21:01 GMT
#639
Yea I figure and well as you can see from the last game you can probably guess what i'm going to flip right AFJ?

Who do you guys want me to check before I die tonight? Night actions need to be sent in soon.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 15 2010 21:13 GMT
#641
Cool thanks.

Do we have a night action plan? We need to send our requests in soon. If I still live till tomorrow I say we still target someone we are going to 100% lynch tomorrow also.

Let's quickly work on this one. In terms of inactivity and checking through the names

Redtooth stands out. His total posts in this thread since the game started so far is 7
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 15 2010 22:33 GMT
#648
Either way both of you guys want me to check on Flamewheel.

Checking on Flamewheel for my night action.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 15 2010 23:02 GMT
#660
Wow it's really kicking off now!

Let's all go mental let's all go mental! ( Useless post )
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 15 2010 23:23 GMT
#665
Well the thing is only you trust meeple and LuDwig a lot because you are in a mini circle.

I'm sure most of the people would trust citizen and AFJ a lot more than the others.

My trust list would be AFJ and citizen.

My suspicious list
Meeple
LuDwig ( not very suspicious of him but wary )
Redtooth ( he's so inactive 7 posts in the game so far )
Radfield
Flamewheel

I'm not sure of Chez so far but let's not kill him and keep him for the lols~
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 16 2010 01:18 GMT
#678
Hmmmmm? Very sneaky move by the mafia? Or all the mafia is afk lol.

I got my PM for Flamewheel. How do you guys want to do this?
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 16 2010 02:12 GMT
#693
On June 16 2010 11:08 Foolishness wrote:
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On June 16 2010 11:05 meeple wrote:
Bahaha... alright well... so... I have a story to tell... but I'm going to wait to tell it just to keep you guys in suspense. The end result is good though... there was a mafia found last night...

Seriously you guys are about to shit your pants

Too late!
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 16 2010 02:31 GMT
#698
Aww wtf that's not shocking! AFJ and I had that wrapped up!

I thought you were going to come and say AFJ or something is mafia then I would of shat my pants.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 16 2010 02:35 GMT
#700
You guys did do a sexy scooby doo scheme to catch him!
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 16 2010 03:44 GMT
#708
O another reason why I kept piping up saying why DT's are kinda useless is because we don't role check we can only find out the alignment of a person. Town/mafia

And we are either sane insane paranoid naive
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 16 2010 12:48 GMT
#725
We can save the panda by lynching LuDwig, ending the day earlier and voting Chez for mayor!

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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 16 2010 17:53 GMT
#729
Can I investigate dead people to figure out my sanity? Thought it would seem like a bit of a waste but meeple was thinking about investigating him just to see if my RC was working.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 17 2010 00:55 GMT
#749
Do we have enough votes for the day to end early?
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MooCow
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June 17 2010 00:59 GMT
#751
On June 17 2010 09:56 Chezinu wrote:
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On June 17 2010 09:55 MooCow wrote:
Do we have enough votes for the day to end early?

Unvote so we can kill redtooth! I don't want to die yet!

How are you going to die?
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 17 2010 01:03 GMT
#753
Don't know but I won't vote to lynch you!

The heavy suspects list is pretty short it's either

Redtooth
Radfield
Chezinu

It'll be a bit more tricky if it's not either of you guys but the game should be pretty wrapped up if we did things correctly.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 17 2010 01:13 GMT
#764
O... interesting.. @ mafia doesn't want to concede.

Special Night announcement

Chezinu is the new MAYOR

REJOICE!!
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 17 2010 01:21 GMT
#772
Hmmm as I said before and did an analysis of Flamewheel I thought he was suspicious.

in Flamewheel last post here he uses the word "concede" and Korynne also uses that word. This might be clutching at straws a bit but maybe Flamewheel pm'd her and she just wrote that pretty quickly without thinking.

This might be a bit hard to understand due to my bad explaining but hopefully someone gets it.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 17 2010 01:25 GMT
#774
Yea fair enough. It's a very common word but it was just something I noticed ^^

Clutching at straws!
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 17 2010 20:47 GMT
#790
On June 18 2010 04:06 Chezinu wrote:
I'm pretty sure Moocow already checked me though, I thought that was the reason the Mayor was in green font.

Mafia can be Mayor!

I used the green font to throw them off whilst I check you tonight.
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
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June 17 2010 22:05 GMT
#791
BREAKING INFORMATION! I KNOW WHO THE LAST MAFIA IS AND IT'S CRAZY!!!

Player List:

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1. flamewheel

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5. Radfield

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7. citi.zen

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8. Foolishness

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9. redtooth


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11. meeple


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17. AcrossFiveJulys

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6. Chezinu
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 17 2010 22:31 GMT
#797
<_> You guys already knew who the last mafia was after Korynne posted anyway

Let's rejoice that we won though?! But a bit too much inactivity imo
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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 18 2010 01:27 GMT
#812
On June 18 2010 10:18 Vivi57 wrote:
also, I was the only person who voted for scum day 1 or 2 :D

Haha that's pretty funny..

VICTORY HORN!!

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MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
June 18 2010 01:37 GMT
#816
Nah I was sane.. I found out Chezinu was mafia earlier than the day ended that's why I posted those spoilered posts but no one understood it.
Making history not reliving it.
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