EPTIs it just LuDwig throwing in his vote for AFJ?
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MooCow
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Is it just LuDwig throwing in his vote for AFJ? | ||
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MooCow
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From my DT findings. LuDwig said he's going to sleep so we won't get to see what his findings are until later. Surprised no one protected treehugger..lazy medics  | ||
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MooCow
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I already revealed my information on AFJ ( town ) aligned. | ||
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MooCow
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AFJ + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2010 16:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Ok. 2 "detectives" checks have come back townie on me. I think this should convince most of you that I'm indeed townie so that we don't have to waste a lynch. The possible scenarios right now are MooCow and ludwig are both detectives or 1 of MooCow, Ludwig are detective 1 are veteran. I didn't include the scenario where 1 or both are role claim faking because it doesn't seem likely that a mafioso would risk there being exactly 1 detective or exactly 1 veteran but not both (otherwise there'd be 3 role claimed detectives and clearly 1 would be lying). I also didn't include the other clearly improbable scenarios. MooCow detective, Ludwig detective: The only way I would turn out to be mafia is if both of them are either naiive or insane. This seems improbable. 1 detective, 1 veteran: If I'm mafia, this would imply that we have one naiive or insane detective. We won't gain much from lynching me because if I flip townie that will only say that our detective is either naiive or sane. Furthermore, we won't know whether to trust ludwig or moocow's findings because we won't know which is the detective unless they both decide to reveal their roles. This undesirable situation is a result of L's rather myopic plan. I hope this justifies going after other targets besides me today (hopefully going after someone that seems suspicious from their voting and posting behavior) since lynching me would provide minimal help and waste a townie and a lynch. Yep, even though the results are good ( both us DT's getting the same results ), I think we chose a bad target ( AFJ ) to investigate because I don't think he's suspicious or mafia like enough and the results show him as a townie As I said before we should of investigated someone that was inactive or someone that we were willing to lynch 100% as a test figure to check everyone out. I know LuDwig had to sleep so he just chose AFJ which is fair enough imo. So as a town group maybe we can chose 2 people before hand ( while we still have 3 days before the night action ends ) to chose who we want to investigate/track then we can get some very solid information. | ||
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MooCow
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Flamewheel *First post he revels he's actually the Godfather, lynch him. Posts in the actual start of the game : 18 #141 Gives some of his thoughts on the balance of the game. Nothing really solid. #151Wants to lynch an inactive which we did ( Jspazz ) #164He's up for roleclaiming which we all eventually do except for Chez. #242 A bit later he rc's townie, just in between the mass rc'ing of townies. #279 Gives his thoughts on 2 people rc'ing DT's ( MooCow and LuDwig) but imo doesn't really say anything useful. #326He votes for himself ( knowing that he won't be lynched but just as a placeholder because he won't be back in time for the voting ) He also gives a plan that's almost exactly the same thing I posted for the 2 DT's and watcher to do. Lasts few posts were just *one *liners not saying much. Conclusion He's actually not that active in this game imo. A lot of his posts end with something like he'll be back in a few hours or has to do something for a few hours, which is understandable, but may also be a mafia trying to cover up for his inactivity. He doesn't say much in any of his posts but he did say he will do an analysis. All of these things make me suspicious of him and I think he's mafia from my analysis so far. | ||
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MooCow
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On June 13 2010 23:29 LuDwig- wrote: I think that we need to put some fixed point in the game. We really don't know nothing for sure. We only know that two people claimed DTs, that they told us they rolechecked and that AFJ is green. Are they sane, insane, naive? The only way to know it (or at least starting to make thnigs more clear)is lynch AFJ .. I also thought on lynching MooCow...because i really don't believe him...If it turs out red it would be a great move..but if he is a DT for real? That would be a huge loss for the team that can make us loose the game. We can lynch another people at random..but then..why simply don't lynch you? What? You're not making much sense... You can lynch me if you want if it helps the town i'm all for it because DT's aren't that useful as you say. Also I don't think we should lynch people at random either... that's why we are trying to find suspicious behavior from players and such to lynch them... and not... randomly.... | ||
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MooCow
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On June 14 2010 01:04 LuDwig- wrote: can you explain this? In this thread you say a thing then you do another one? ??? Lol. That was his vote from yesterday.... Today ( using TL time June 13th ) Radfield voted for AFJ.. | ||
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MooCow
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On June 14 2010 09:34 Chezinu wrote: This is a pretty good argument imo, Oh! another tip: If you are the person about to get killed you should totally pretend to be Dvig and type a command to kill someone. That will add suspense! Both you and radfield milked all the cool suspense out of that Dvig trick no one will be fooled by that anymore | ||
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MooCow
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I'm one for lynching the inactive in this game especially because of the 1KP mafia. Either way AFJ is heavily in the spotlight we can rest assured that he'll be banging on about something in the coming days, which would either help us or make us lynch him. Now with AFJ being suspected of being a mafia and me coming out and defending him will obviously make me look like a mafia. If I were mafia I would not chose to investigate another mafia target. There were a couple ways I could of avoided this situation. 1. Chose the target before letting LuDwig chose the target. Why would I want to risk investigating another mafia member? ( I'm a lot more active than LuDwig but I let him chose ). I wanted to investigate someone inactive so we could lynch them as a test pig. 2. I wouldn't come out here and try to defend him and draw attention to myself. The risks of me doing this as a mafia almost has no reward. If it were 1KP/2Mafia then yea I would of been rewarded if AFJ is safe but doing this gives me nothing as mafia. If he flips red I can plead insane/paranoid and it puts me in the same boat as LuDwig. ( I also posted my findings on AFJ before LuDwig did ) So I don't think he's really mafia but maybe he is. For today I think we should just look at 2 of those inactive, lynch one and pre-plan for the night so we can all be on the same targets ( meeple, if he checked AFJ and came out with his information this would be a lot easier ) | ||
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@LuDwig we also need the tracker/watcher to be involved to make sure everyone is telling the truth. | ||
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MooCow
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I think he's saying that because L wanted to lynch you if AFJ was red. But the problem with that plan was if we did follow L's plan and lynched AFJ, he would of probably flipped town, and we wouldn't have to lynch you. So I don't think Foolishness is pretty confirmed. | ||
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MooCow
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I'll change it to whomever seems more appropriate later if needed. | ||
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MooCow
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can we agree on a target before hand so we aren't confused about who we are going to lynch the next day so all our blue roles can check each other out and hopefully help the town. These are the candidates for the next day lynch, Vivi and ohn. We can obviously change as the game flows but I want to make sure we are all on the same page for when the night action comes in. | ||
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On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote: [/blue]+ Show Spoiler + On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote: haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! [blueTracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying  MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb). yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot. But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo. I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now. | ||
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MooCow
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On June 15 2010 08:00 Foolishness wrote: [/blue]We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that) I never said I wanted to lynch LuDwig atm. I just said i'd check up closer on him. I've been trying to rally people to chose an early target to lynch as a test pig for us all ( the blues ) to check up on and prove our roles. I don't mind trying AFJ idea but I don't like bringing in extra people because it can cause so much more confusion with more lies and claims from other people rather than having one target. I suggested Vivi and Ohn earlier. Vivi just improved some of his activity and some pretty good information. Foolishness also chooses ohn. So if we can decide earlier so our night actions aren't made last minute and from one person like last night ( LuDwig ) we can work some stuff out. | ||
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MooCow
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On June 15 2010 08:18 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: I'm leery of DT checking ohN because he may not respond to us asking him if he got roleblocked, which is very important information if you buy into the plan I proposed (even if we don't end up lynching ludwig or moocow, in the end the more information the better right?). I think we should go with my earlier plan of 2 DT's checking one target ( possibly Ohn ). Watcher/tracker follows up on us or the target to make sure everyone is telling the truth and we all reveal our information. But with the new info we have ( AFJ and citizen MAYBE 100% town or someone we can REALLY trust) how about we PM our findings to them so we don't reveal it to the public and we'll continue from there? | ||
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MooCow
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On June 15 2010 08:31 Chezinu wrote: I'm here and I'm willing to change my vote. I'll be around for like another 30-40 minutes. [/pink] Just a FYI we aren't voting ohn for this current lynch right now. This is for the next lynch so we can confirm for all our blue roles on who to check. | ||
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MooCow
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The PM'd person confirms that he has both the DT's results and goes public with it. The information will become public to everyone just not initially. Basically imo it's just an extra method to stop one or the other from claiming to find the same info ( only 50% chance though ) but still worth it and pretty easy to do. We can even PM 2 people ( AFJ and citizen ) you guys confirm it and then come out with the information to the public. | ||
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On June 15 2010 08:50 meeple wrote: Well... I think its a good idea to PM citi.zen with the info... since then at least you're unaware of the other people's findings... I doubt its really all that useful since it's not really that profitable to copy the other persons results. Well my thinking was Scenario Both A and B claim DT. A post his findings first to the public. If B is mafia he can simply copy whatever I say to make himself also look like a DT. Although as I said there's only a 50% chance this will even do anything. If either the DT is a mafia in hopes that they don't want to potentially screw up. It's pretty simple to do with someone we trust and as i said before it may or may not be useful but it just adds a bit of trouble for the mafia. It was a suggestion but if no one wants to do it fair enough we can just go public straight away with our information. | ||
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