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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
also, my picture has the fountain where Incognito died. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 14 2010 10:54 DarthThienAn wrote: Nah. mine was better flamey. Yours doesn't have lightning. Roles, Actions, and Cluesets coming up! | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
 Darth, you were the person I was trying hard to connect to Day 3's kill, because of the force power stuff. But the whole "sticking to the face" thing got in the way of completing that for me. Zeks was onto that via PM to me shortly after my panic-attack when you announced the DT thing. crate redirected me more than anything afterwards, and following that the DCLXVI pm I received pretty much got me back to a town-view of you. You guys did well. Both yourself and crate particularly did an excellent job pretending to be town-aligned. Though with Onihunter's huge support (and mimicry of your "go for inactives" idea) I was still on reserve. I did get fooled though, no excuses there, especially by crate. May I ask why Oni/Bum were thrown under? I get that Onihunter was probably because of TGB, but why Bum? Was it only because I was likely to begin the lynch against him anyway, further validating yourself and getting the fake DT in? O, and I can't believe I'm posting this, but: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/TalonionPoet/EPIC.png) My brother dared me to take a screenshot and post it at the end (I talk about the game outside of the forum; again, addicted). Three out of five isn't too bad. :p | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Mafia: Hugoboss21, crate (Godfather: Veteran, onihunter, bumatlarge, 3 Lions, and DarthThienAn (Mayor) Power Roles: Detectives: DCLXVI and deconduo Medics: littlechava and CompX Veteran: MTF Vigilantes: AcrossFiveJulys and Icysoul Mayor: YellowInk Bodyguards: LaXerCannon and pyr0ma5ta Townies: Thegilaboy, Zyrre, LunarDestiny, Deucegladlier, MooCow, barth, zeks, TyranoS_NiveK, BrownBear, jiabung, supernovamaniac, Misder, ElyAs, sputnik.theory | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
We (being Incognito and I) had hoped that the Mafia would try to hit him again Night 3. That would have made a record, since he was protected. Actions list coming up... argh this is going to be annoying to type. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
(and Veteran role for saving my life on Day 2!) | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
Town played pretty mediocre, mafia played worse. The better side won. I shouldn't be too surprised given that this was a new player game, I guess. I think I still like being on the town side better. But it was interesting to be on the other side and I learned a good bit I hope. My plan this game was to play like I was town but make two changes: First, I would strategically disappear at certain times (I can pull this off because I don't really post on Teamliquid elsewhere). My tiredness and such was legit, but there were a lot of little posts that I didn't make because I wasn't town. Second, I left a lot of stuff out or uncommented on. I think it did okay. I had tells, but the town wasn't going to pick up on them the way it was playing. I think next game I'm not going to play the way I did this game or last game. --- I never officially took on the duty but I felt like I was in charge of all the hits except for the ones aimed at MTF (which, if you go read our forum, I was skeptical about). Night 1 my plan was to just snipe people who didn't look like they would be protected and cut down voting power. Night 2, I hit AFJ because he was thinking properly and (most importantly) getting the town to listen, and I had started to think he might have a power role to boot. Pyro was because he was also looking pretty smart and I was really hoping that the town wouldn't listen to him. That he was banned was the icing on the cake because it meant that no medic was ever going to protect him Had I stuck with my gut and not hit MTF (I thought from Day 1 he was Vet, and it turns out I was right) I'd have targeted Zyrre and then deconduo on nights 1/2. That would have been a much better result. Night 3 didn't matter when half of us were already outed. --- I thought Darth didn't do a particularly good job. He really flubbed up Day 2 voting imo by switching to MooCow; I was pretty close to outright accusing him in my posting afterward but I didn't want the town to actually listen. His attack on LunarDestiny was terrible and I'd have never for a second bought that he was "just trying to keep LD alive." (What really got me is that there were legit arguments for being against LD, but instead Darth picks ones that actually in my opinion reflect on him as much as on LD). However, had the rest of our team played as well as Darth, we'd have roflstomped the town (well, that and if we don't hit MTF). I'm not really going to judge my own play. My plan kind of tripped me up because the rest of my team was terrible and I wasn't anticipating that happening. Here's how bad our team was: + Show Spoiler + Did you post in the thread? You need to do both. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I voted in Day 3 so I'm pretty sure I'm not getting modkilled. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: You around? I saw littlechava saying you're gonna get modkilled, so I'd really appreciate it if you would make sure you've both posted in the main thread (have you done that?) and voted since the beginning of Day 3.... PM from me to 3 Lions about 40 minutes before he gets modkilled. x.x --- There are a couple big things I think the town should have been doing. Firstly, waiting so long to vote on every vote is generally not so great because it stifles discussion (or rather, it doesn't generate discussion like votes do). Of course, the counterpart to that is that you need the town to actually be smart enough to read arguments and such instead of just voting with the bandwagon. Along with that is the town calling for activity. Sure, go ahead, post that it's good--that's true. But you're not going to get activity by just calling for it in the thread. You have to do stuff to make it happen, which is accusations or FoS's or voting or directly asking questions of specific people. The amount of time the town spent doing nothing was terrible. Apparently the town DTs played well, so credit to them, but the most vocal posters were pretty much just bad. MTF had his clue-hacks on again (one of the many things I didn't mention is that the only good clue analysis I'd ever seen in TL mafia came from either Camlito or MTF) but he didn't really do anything else (granted, in this setup, he'd have gotten Darth and I long before we could have won if we tried to play on). LunarDestiny was all over the place, giving questionable advice, and generally would have been causing more confusion than anyone on our side except no one listened to him. I was expecting a lot more from BrownBear since he'd actually played before, but he says nothing of import on Day 1, disappears on Day 2, and then follows the bandwagon for the rest of the game. YellowInk was definitely bad on Day 1 (though he did look town because no one on our side would have had the balls to jump into the spotlight so obviously except maybe Darth), but he improved a lot afterward. He made some definitely questionable moves (his "fishing" with the double lynch suggestion on Day 2 especially -> I was pretty sure as mafia that we 100% did not want a double lynch on Day 3, and in retrospect I was right; looking for mafia by jumping on the people who make a pro-town move is generally not a good plan, but nothing came of it anyway) but I think that's just inexperience. Of course on our side there was 3 Lions who got himself modkilled, hugo who just barely didn't; and then oni and bum didn't do a good job of starting off with a pro-town impression (and bum pushed for a rolecheck on me at some point. I wasn't really paying attention to his posts much but I did notice that and did not like it -> it's definitely a good way to make the town more suspicious of me, and I think DCL caught this). So I can't criticize too much I suppose. You can go pick apart my play if you want. I don't think I'm good at Mafia on either side, but at least I think I know what I'm doing when I'm town. --- I don't really know who I'd pick for town MVP. MTF did well on clues but I already said what I think about clues. I was very impressed by Pyro's small volume of posting and had he been more active I think he'd have been good. The DTs did well with their checks certainly. Town LVP is Deucegladlier :p Mafia LVP is definitely 3 Lions. Darth did better than anyone else but perhaps me (I'm not going to judge overall how well I played). --- MTF: There was no fake DT. The DTs legitimately checked oni and bum, so Darth's hands were tied in both cases. My brother dared me to take a screenshot and post it at the end (I talk about the game outside of the forum; again, addicted). Three out of five isn't too bad. Here's the problem, MTF: You didn't try to convince anyone of any of that. Okay, great--you got us. That means nothing unless you can convince the town that you're right. And in your position, you should have been trying to drop the hammer on that whole list. --- Also, I was right about 0 millers being a possibility :p | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
onihunter was for obvious reasons. I actually didn't have the foresight to kill off deconduo and TGB simultaneously (deconduo was the real DT btw), because I'm so used to a 1 KP mindset. That could have saved onihunter for a little bit longer, but at that point, I was stuck. It's unfortunate that 3 L had to get modkilled that same day. bumat, I could've handled better, but crate and I had already half given up during the night, foreseeing hugo's death, and a 50% chance of bumat getting lynched as well today. The Yellow/LaXer kill was mostly for the lols. I'm surprised more people didn't wonder about why Yellow got killed instead of me. | ||
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CompX
Canada216 Posts
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pyr0ma5ta
United States458 Posts
On June 14 2010 11:13 crate wrote: I was very impressed by Pyro's small volume of posting and had he been more active I think he'd have been good. \o/ You flatter me.  | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
As you noted (and I noted at the beginning of the game), I play a very clue-dominated style. While I did note suspicions towards several people who did turn up Mafia by looking through their posts, I just didn't feel comfortable calling out anybody without clue backing. I am, perhaps, too cautious a townie. :p That is certainly a fault of mine. I agree with your town LVP. Seriously, Deucegladlier, just why? | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
On June 14 2010 11:06 MTF wrote: May I ask why Oni/Bum were thrown under? I get that Onihunter was probably because of TGB, but why Bum? Was it only because I was likely to begin the lynch against him anyway, further validating yourself and getting the fake DT in? I pmed darth telling him to announce my rolecheck in the thread and reasons as to why he should if he was a townie. Then said that I had someone else who knew about our conversation. | ||
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littlechava
United States7216 Posts
I'm definitely guilty of not doing anything this game. I was way too lazy to put in the time I needed to to be a good town poster - if I ever play again I'll have to keep this in mind. Luckily there were worse people around =]! | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On June 14 2010 11:14 DarthThienAn wrote: haha except after that you started to support me completely. Indeed. I even voted town on your poll there.  Thanks, by the way, for the link to the Mafia thread. Interesting to see what the other side was thinking. (I'm guessing edits are okay at this stage in the game. :p) | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On June 14 2010 11:12 flamewheel wrote: Heh MTF's save was amazing. We (being Incognito and I) had hoped that the Mafia would try to hit him again Night 3. That would have made a record, since he was protected. Actions list coming up... argh this is going to be annoying to type. well I knew he was protected night 3 so :p @crate: Yeah I messed up in a couple of places. The whole LD thing was kinda unfortunate but YI and MTF knew about it. No one really called me out on it, which is why I didn't need to ask them to "clear my name". Honestly, I expected more townies to jump on it, but no one really did so that ended up being a dead end in terms of lynching. The MooCow thing was mostly funny. Interestingly enough, the town didn't suspect me all that much though. crate, you might have, were you a townie, but that worked out well for me I guess. The reason why I would pick MTF for town MVP is (other than clue analysis) his analysis was actually pretty on-target except for me and you. I'm pretty sure I saw him say that onihunter, bumatlarge, and hugoboss21 were likely mafia at some point, and 3 Lions, well the clues would have killed him, but he got himself modkilled anyway. That, and no one else really stood out to me. Mafia MVP either me or you, I had the town pretty convinced about my alignment, but I probably should have listened to you more and thought more things through first. Sloppy play on my part, but I'm still learning, so that's fair enough. =p. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On June 14 2010 11:26 MTF wrote: Indeed. I even voted town on your poll there. Thanks, by the way, for the link to the Mafia thread. Interesting to see what the other side was thinking. (I'm guessing edits are okay at this stage in the game. :p) That thread is atrocious. A lot of me spamming. On June 14 2010 11:24 littlechava wrote: I was less suspicious of you (edit: Darth) after LaXerCannon/YellowInk died because he said he had another medic roleclaim to him. I thought the most likely situation was that YellowInk's other roleclaimer was a fake, but in retrospect that's pretty retarded. Obviously he would have cleared himself by saving MTF. Oopsies! I'm definitely guilty of not doing anything this game. I was way too lazy to put in the time I needed to to be a good town poster - if I ever play again I'll have to keep this in mind. Luckily there were worse people around =]! haha it was so funny that you didn't suspect me at all. I guess it was good that I could lie about YI knowing who the bodyguard was (he didn't iirc). | ||
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