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Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
June 12 2010 15:33 GMT
#1346
MTF also seems extremely unlikely to me, since mafia would have to have wasted 2 hits just to get him some credit. Why not just stop at 1?

Out of the ones crate listed at the end of his post, I'd say zeks is the most likely to be mafia. With BrownBear being another, less likely, possibility.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
June 12 2010 18:59 GMT
#1353
Darth being mafia would certainly be the worst case right now. But as I posted earlier, him calling out oni would be stupid since he had a free mafia (3 lions) to sacrifice.
So really the only thing pointing towards that right now is the breathing heavily clue and the fact the YI was hit instead of him.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
June 12 2010 19:14 GMT
#1354
IF we decide that DTA probably is not mafia, the reason for them choosing to kill YI might be because he was on to some more mafias.

In some of his latest posts he gave us a list of who should be investigated/analysed:
BrownBear
Littlechava
Misder
TheGilaboy
Zeks

He was also a bit more aggressive towards inactives than DTA was.

Several people have already expressed concerns about zeks, and misder could fall under the slightly inactive category(though he made some good analysis that I agree with)
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
June 12 2010 22:18 GMT
#1365
Hitting vigilante + bodyguard and then bodyguard + pardoner two days in a row indicates mafia had extensive knowledge over townie roles. Onihunter also broke out the math to justify it as probable right after the vigi + bg hit. MTF's claim to fame happened before the first double blue hit. This could mean that MTF is mafia, or that MTF + DTA is mafia(im assuming the potential mafia posing as medic would only roleclaim to YI if their intention was to get him + bodyguards, therefore we can't know who he is). Now it does seem rather unreasonable for mafia to waste another hit AFTER that, though the possibility is still there.

I'm mainly throwing this out there as an idea for discussions about the next lynching. I think we can find some better targets for today, I'll be posting my ideas later.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
June 12 2010 22:32 GMT
#1366
Later = now apparently (during sc2 beta downtime)
I think zeks is a good target along with either hugo or sputnik. Seems like sputnik might be modkilled though, so I'd say zeks and Hugoboss21.

zeks for all the previous reasons stated.
Hugoboss21 seems like a mafia doing the bare minimum to me.

I'll hold off on voting in case anyone convinces me to vote for someone else
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
June 13 2010 03:51 GMT
#1398
I am super inclined to lynch DTA at this stage.

Here's why:

1. Two clues
"...the sound of his killer's heavy breathing." Darth vader reference
"he felt a weight push against him" Darth using the force
Can't see these clues linked to anybody else

2. Forced to out onihunter
He is most likely in touch with a real DT. He can't be sure that player has not told anybody else about his findings, therefore he needs to out oni or he himself will be under investigation.
This invalidates his reasoning against MTF's arguments
+ Show Spoiler +
MTF, if I'm mafia and have been in contact with my first DT since day 2, why wouldn't I have killed him by now? If you're gonna say that he had a third townie to accuse me if he died, then that's easily solvable - mafia get 3 KP in the beginning, 2 last night. Just kill the DT and the confirmed townie, makes for a nice clean job and the town loses a DT.


3. Extremely unlikely timing
21 hours after this day started(and any DT checks were delivered) bumatlarge posted some accusations against DTA. Within 3 minutes DTA claims that a DT told him that bumatlarge is mafia. Also changes his first statement that it was a cluecheck to it being a rolecheck after zeks asks what clue it was on (no obvious clue relates to bumatlarge)

4. Timing attack
They kill both bodyguards, a vigilante, and YI right as we have double-lynch activated. If we lynch two townies at this stage, after the mafias night-slaughter we will be at 9 townies AND mafia will have 6 voting power(one or two modkills are also likely, making it almost certainly a lost cause).

5. Voting
Two confirmed mafia voted him for mayor, and he was the swinging power to get MooCow.

All this is just overwhelming, surely others must feel the same way?
As for my second target, Misder seems like the best option.
+ Show Spoiler +
Recent surge in activity, pointing fingers in all directions(DTA's proposed target, DCLXVI), and also quickly followed BBs suggestion that he investigate DTA. Odd conclusion, did have SOME hesitation in the middle of his ramble, but quickly discarded it. His last post indicates he blindly believes in DTA.
Also followed the mafia votings.

But more on that tomorrow, sleep time.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
June 13 2010 10:30 GMT
#1414
The outcome if bumatlarge is green: you lynch me and I'm mafia. Mafia are down to 3, with only 3 voting power. Town has 13 - 1 - 2 (assuming perfect hits), 10 vs 3, still pretty good odds, especially if we still have 2 dts and 2 medics and 1-2 veterans in there.


We are lynching two people today. Which means Town could be 13-2-2=9. And during that day we would be 9 townie vs 4 mafia with 9 vs 6 voting power.

Considering bumatlarge's reaction though, I'd say he's most likely mafia.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
June 13 2010 11:37 GMT
#1415
I also would like to hear your response to my post darth.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
June 13 2010 18:31 GMT
#1421
In about 8 hours two people are getting lynched.
17 people are still alive.
I have a plan to secure liquiville from these mafia scumbags.

DarthThienAn or bumatlarge are almost certainly mafia (could be both or none, but far less likely. discussed at the end of this post)

If we lynch them both, we are in excellent shape to take our town back

There will be 15 people inhabiting our town after today, and only 3 of them will be mafia.
With no mayor in play we will have 12 voting power vs 3, great shape as we will most likely have solid leads after analyzing their posting.

Compare that to 9 voting power vs 6 if DTA is mafia. It will be game over.

In the absolute worst case scenario(which I reaIly can't see happening at this point), we will be 9 vs 4. Still a slight fighting chance.

The point of all this:
It is extremely dangerous if DTA is mafia, we lose ALOT more on him being alive as mafia then dead as townie

I am therefore casting my vote on DarthThienAn AND bumatlarge
If you are truly rooting for liquiville, you should do the same
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
Zyrre
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden291 Posts
June 13 2010 22:13 GMT
#1433
+ Show Spoiler +
oya, and I gave you guys a bonus one through modkill yesterday too, when I could have just had him lynched and saved onihunter for another day and left mafia with 3 KP.


Not sure if you are doing this intentionally, but MTF already said why you could not do this and I quoted him.

Anyway, I was only pushing it this hard since DTA being mafia would be the only way we could lose this. But since I wasn't getting any reaction, I'll stop. Maybe I'm just overestimating the mafia.
"Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way."
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