EPTThree Kingdoms Mafia (三国演义)
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Fixed that for you there. | ||
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I'll try my best, ok lol. | ||
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On May 18 2010 06:50 Bill Murray wrote: I am a Lord, I have no special abilities. We've had 2 people roleclaim without telling us what their roles do. That is quite odd. | ||
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Instead of talking about people they'd want killed on day one, people are busy giving someone a free day vig power. So lets talk about people that should be killed. Target 1: On May 18 2010 11:43 Abenson wrote: Yay *Jumps on bandwagon* ##VOTE: Radfield I can't understand abenson shitting around after being repeatedly told to stop being such a waste of air. On the topic of "can the person granted the day vig hit disobey the town?" well sure, but then we just shoot him the day after. I'd expand upon this but I'd rather not until someone's dumb enough to pick someone random for their day hit. | ||
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Not even Manuel L. Hackson In fact I yelled at caller for not giving me Cao Cao, but he told me all the roles were done by RNG exclusively (and as a side note I owe Ace a punches for that). Because of that, I don't think your case against BC is as strong as you've made it out to be. I still think abenson is a better kill because frankly stupidity like his should be metagamed against. He's basically afk trolling deadweight every game. In terms of the behavioral analysis, all of the pins you put on BC can be put on abenson as well, but abenson doesn't act differently when he's mafia or town. If he's part of the turbans, there's pretty much nothing that'll give him away later on, and he'll always be a "oh, we'll kill him tomorrow" candidate. That said, under abenson I'd put BC until he makes a reply post. Apart from those two, Jugan, Scamp and Tricode seem to be worthy people to pressure or kill on day 1. Maybe more pressure when it comes to scamp, but the other two are just as deadweight. | ||
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Initially each faction consists of just one person. Every night, each faction may recruit another player to their team. Some players are unrecruitable, however, including enemy faction leaders. If the faction leader is slain, the entire faction collapses and dies with him. However, you can recruit enemy players as long as they are not the faction leader. If a player is recruited by multiple faction leaders at the same time, they all cancel out. The wording of this is ambiguous because of its position. Do the turbans start with multiple players? There is also a 4th Party in the form of the Yellow Turbans. They may recruit anybody but faction leaders and Yellow Turbans cannot be recruited. However, if the Yellow Turbans try to recruit a faction leader, they all die. | ||
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1) YT might be able to grab more than 1 person per night. 2) YT might start with a bunch of people. Both of which are both good and bad. On the good side, the YT has a far higher chance of leader picking early if they have a smaller available group to pick. YT not only has to dodge picking an unaligned person, but they also need to avoid picking a group that the other leaders are avoiding (who must themselves avoid each other). So for any given day, the YT "don't taze me bro" list is 6 people if the other leaders don't cross their streams. But that also means that the YT might have a day 3-4 win if they recruit perfectly and no one lynches their converted army mens. So yeah, given that 70% of people won't be on YT's side when we reach a LYLO situation, you should care pretty hard about who they are. | ||
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Fishball's pretty much spamming while saying he doesn't want to play. Given he and I have had altercations in the past I'm wondering if that's intentionally done to make it look like he doesn't have a power role, or whether or not he is indeed a leader. Brownbear, by contrast reacted a bit too emotionally to being called out as the YT leader so it probably isn't him. He might be a grunt if they start with grunts. Given that it makes sense But I'm most interested by LunarDestiny. Low post count. Very little commentary besides trying to drive wedges between people, no real contributions. If Radfield's right we're in more trouble than we originally imagined: Nothing at all about a leader, which would kinda make sense if the YT's started with more then 1 person. They're more like mafia, collectively making decisions. What this also means is that we can't kill the YT in one shot; YT's going to recruit a person per day, then even if we kill them, they're going to recruit more like some retarded hydra metaphor. This leads me to believe that if YT is indeed a group as such that there are multiple DT/vig roles in the game and that the YT is probably starting with 1 or 2 members. For the purposes of our analysis, if the YT starts very small there won't be much in the way of them trying to play off each other or secure early votes. What's more, radfield, by putting up this fact noted something that a non-leader based YT would NOT want told to the public, so i'll give him my brofist armies for today. On the topic of the neutral plan: if we don't kill a leader with this kill or tomorrow the plan's essentially over. we'd have 8+4 people on teams, and even chain kills from that point would have another 3+2+1 people recruited for a total of 18 players, unless recruitments overlap, which they will. | ||
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On May 20 2010 05:19 Bill Murray wrote: tricode: pretty much cleared yourself off the lynch list right there. good job. You realized he made a big post to say "I've been inactive, but I'm also going to be inactive in the future" and you're taking that as a sign that he's active? ... ok. | ||
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On May 20 2010 05:24 BrownBear wrote: Could you finish that sentence please? I'm not about to attack you, I'm just actually curious what you were gonna say. Well, i actually saw that too after I re-read the post, but its kinda complete as it is. "given that, it makes sense." To elaborate, it would make sense that someone would laugh that they've been caught as being, say, the godfather, if they're actually just a grunt. Since the pin IS false and they can see the absurdities behind the argumentation, they're more likely to rage or laugh it off like most people do. Generally speaking, when accused people laugh the issue off if they're innocent, but we've had a rash of townies being really dumb and getting really angry instead of trying to clear themselves off what they obviously know is shitty logic. Given that mafia are put into a position of introspection and self-censoring, they're kinda a bit slower to jump to either option because of how thread mechanics work. In short, its much harder for an accurately pinned person to fake an emotional defense because instead of being an emotional reaction, it becomes a calculated play. But yeah, if the YT do have a leader format, so far I'd say you aren't him. | ||
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On May 20 2010 05:28 Fishball wrote: My posting period on weekdays is pretty much the same everyday, usually during my lunch hour in the office. I don't know what our past has to do with this, unless you are a leader and think I wouldn't want to be under you so I want to quit? Also, I'm pretty confident that everyone in this game has some sort of power from their roles. If I were a leader, I wouldn't need to go emo. Then again, you can argue this could be an act, and here we go in circles again. Nah, its more that I know you're prone to rage, hence why It kinda makes sense that you'd rage a bit. Your logic on the past page, however, hasn't been as unrefined as it normally is when you rage. So its mostly a question of whether or not you're bluffing. This post basically states that you've got some kind of role, too, so I dunno. | ||
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On May 20 2010 05:44 BrownBear wrote: You basically wrote a huge post to tell us that a situation directly analogous to a normal mafia team is a stupid way to set up a team and is thus impossible. Fair enough as far as your logic goes. I'm neutral (for now), and I'm still pretty convinced that the YTs operate pretty much the same as the other factions, albeit with some extra rules. I'm betting the YTs actually have a leader because if they did not, it would be a travesty. Assume that the YTs don't have a leader, and that there are three of them. Person A and B want to recruit someone, say, Bill Murray, and Person C wants to recruit Fishball. Normally, Person A and B would just send off one PM to Caller saying "Yo, the Yellow Turbans are recruiting BM tonight, kthxbye" and all would be good. Person C, however, is a dick, and doesn't want to accept that he lost the vote. So Person C decides to be a dick and just PM Caller before Person A or B does, saying "Yo Caller, we're recruiting Fishball tonight." I'm assuming Caller doesn't want his inbox cluttered up by all the Yellow Turbans voting, and doesn't want to have to tally up the votes, so he will probably just go by the first person who votes. Thus, if Person C beats out Person A and B, then the Yellow Turbans will recruit Fishball instead of Bill Murray, despite Bill Murray winning the majority vote within the YTs themselves. This, quite frankly, is a stupid way of setting up a faction. Note, however, that I have never played as a Mafia character in any other Mafia game, so I'm not sure how the voting works for that: I'm just going off the voting structure of a similar-style game played on another forum (with werewolves instead of mafia, but you get the idea), where the host took the first PM in at night to be the nightkill, so teams could get easily derailed by one person being a dick. For that game, it wasn't really a big issue, since one person hijacking the pick just meant that another random player got killed, and a KP wasn't wasted. In this format, however, there is actually a penalty (a very serious one at that) for picking the wrong person, so one idiot could actively mean the death of an entire team. It is for this reason that I think one of the two following scenarios is more likely: 1) YTs operate as a team, but they all send in nightvotes and Caller tallies them up. This is very unlikely for the following reasons: This would clutter the crap out of Caller's inbox, and he probably doesn't want to deal with that shit, and also, he has said in this thread that teams can choose whether they want to notify new recruits that they have been recruited or not. Obviously, YTs would most likely want to notify their new recruits, but in the case they choose not to, for whatever reason, that would leave one Yellow Turban completely out of the loop, so he wouldn't be able to vote. That would be silly. 2) Given the problems with the above scenario, this is the far more likely one: The Yellow Turbans have a leader, who acts as all other leaders, and has the final say in recruitment. So, from what I see, it looks like the Yellow Turbans should be the same as any other faction, just with the added danger of all getting murdered, and the ability to grow very strong very quickly. Given that we have 20+ games consisting of people playing under the exact same conditions, it stands to reason that you might be a tad wrong with your reasoning. Is your conclusion wrong? I dunno. Your reasoning, however, is. Mafia teams typically send in 1 hit list, and if multiple people send in a list, the person who sends it last is assumed to have the proper list. The team will generally bitch if someone sends in a random list, so typically the team will get together in IRC or in pms and come up with a consensus list. Alternatively they'll pick someone and let him pick. In the last instance, the rest of the team AFKs and someone, mostly L, gets annoyed and picks people who would be hilarious and puts that into a PM which is filled with jokes and comedy. | ||
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On May 20 2010 06:34 Trezeguet23 wrote: I love how L was called out for not posting, then he posts and shit hits the fan. This should be a daily tradition. Yeah, I might as well follow the trend thusfar and post bitter one liners. Posting actual analysis makes people go crazy with the one liners. | ||
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On May 20 2010 06:57 barth wrote: You missed my name  I haven`t posted since I don`t feel like over analyzing with almost no information at our hands at the moment. I also don`t want to have everyone throw shit at me right off the bat. He also missed MyHeroNoob, who as far as the search function is concerned, hasn't done a single thing all game. | ||
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On May 20 2010 07:52 LunarDestiny wrote: Radfield, kill this person, ok thx. Give us the result man. Finally something concrete is happening. | ||
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On May 20 2010 08:06 LunarDestiny wrote: If you want to waste the kill, sure. Yep. That confirms it. Kid's useless. | ||
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