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Bill Murray
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XeliN
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XeliN
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Radfield
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On May 24 2010 21:45 XeliN wrote: Oh and Bill I roleblocked you last night, wasn't sure who to go for and I remember you jumping at the opportunity to lynch me as well as demanding I reveal my role so figured you were in need of some blocking. What do you mean you roleblocked Bill last night? We've only had one night cycle so far, and you roleblocked me so..... Unless you mean you going to roleblock Bill tonight. | ||
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Scamp
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Anyway, the way I see it is that if I were a recruiter I would message someone I had recruited and ask to use their name and then have them risk claiming something random instead of myself. It's also highly feasible that Caller gave them all safe claims as mass nameclaim is an obvious way to break the game. | ||
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~OpZ~
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On May 24 2010 22:14 Radfield wrote: What do you mean you roleblocked Bill last night? We've only had one night cycle so far, and you roleblocked me so..... Unless you mean you going to roleblock Bill tonight. Obv. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On May 24 2010 22:25 Scamp wrote: Darth, honestly, you've never explained yourself to me once. I'm not going to force the issue since I'm not getting any support, but to claim you've explained it over and over is simply false. Unless your explanation is that you have no good explanation. Then it's true. Anyway, the way I see it is that if I were a recruiter I would message someone I had recruited and ask to use their name and then have them risk claiming something random instead of myself. It's also highly feasible that Caller gave them all safe claims as mass nameclaim is an obvious way to break the game. While I will say he did give you an explanation, although a shitty one, yes...Now did anyone come out and state his role yet that he has been saying can back him up? | ||
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Abenson
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XeliN
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XeliN
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before I went to sleep, but yeah I guess I mean "I'm going to" | ||
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XeliN
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DarthThienAn
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On May 22 2010 10:44 DarthThienAn wrote: before I go, so that i don't killed while I'm away, I'm Ma Chao. sup yo. On May 22 2010 13:30 TwoToneTerran wrote: If you are Ma Chao, what's your power? Because, funnily enough, I am Ma Chao and my power isn't all that thrilling but atleast I know what it is. Don't just name the first tiger general that comes to your head. It's obvious you were fishing for a response, because there's no way someone ISN'T Ma Chao. Hell, don't even give me the power, give me the reason for his power -- the logic behind what Ma Chao is capable of. At this point I'm going to vote for anyone who wants to take you out as you're blatantly lying. On May 22 2010 13:42 DarthThienAn wrote: It's uhh, it's good that you came out of lurking though. So quick, too. Why the lurking, and then suddenly being active at the right time to see my claim after 3-4 days or not posting? hmm? On May 22 2010 15:22 TwoToneTerran wrote: Um, I wasn't lurking? I had just caught up on the thread since my last few posts when we were arguing who to give our armies too. I saw your post and obviously that's my #1 reaction. But you admit to lying and fishing roles. Not comfortable with that. On May 22 2010 21:18 DarthThienAn wrote: To be honest, the situation concerning me is irrelevant. We need people to nameclaim and see where the contradictions come up. I don't know the first thing about the Three Kingdoms except what I've been reading on Wikipedia. So the whole "first five general that comes to your head", well I guess that's true. Stumbled upon the article and figured, Caller already had a couple, why not one more =D. I already explained my reasoning as to why I did what I did. I took Caller's "trolling is encouraged" to heart, first of all, but then decided I wanted to get more information for the town. I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name. Since this will say nothing about my role (I don't think), I'll claim for real this time: I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway. kk, nuff said. @MyHeroNoob: uhh. he's either retarded or... well, he can explain his reasoning to us. + Show Spoiler [TTT's last post] + On May 23 2010 04:26 TwoToneTerran wrote: Could you tell me that circumstantial evidence? Dude copped to lying and fishing for my role, because it's a well known character in the story. It's like if someone lied about being Jiang Wei -- too important and the person needs to respond as for him to not get away scott clean on that role claim. + Show Spoiler [Radfield's] + On May 23 2010 19:42 Radfield wrote: As far as I can tell, we have 5 suspicious targets. Ohn, Myheronoob and fishball, Iaaan and Trezguet. I'm pretty sure we can either kill or check in some fashion all 5 of these players. If there is another neutral aligned player out there who has a nightkill power, I suggest you hit Ohn. The other 4 I think are covered. As far as Darth is concerned, he both name and role claimed to me long before he started lying about his name in the thread. I really don't know what his game plan was, but I don't think he's very suspicious right now. And given that Darth was trolling, I don't really find TwoToneTerran suspicious at all. On May 23 2010 20:25 DarthThienAn wrote: I didn't really care who I brought out. We need names, no? Even now, we still don't know Ohn's name. I was luring out the lurkers who hadn't given their names. I figured Ma Chao would be in the game, and went with it. I claimed to both Radfield and BrownBear, who are, as far as I'm concerned, two of the town's most trustworthy people right now (or else I wouldn't have claimed to them). My plan was never meant to be game-altering. Just trying to get a little bit more information out there for the town. On May 23 2010 22:08 DarthThienAn wrote: Radfield doesn't suspect me because he already knew who I was (Zhou Yu) 2-3 days ago, beginning of day 2-ish. The more people that give the names, the less people on the list of suspects. I thought Ma Chao was likely to be in the game. He's here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Tiger_Generals with two others in the game (three now), which makes 4/5. He's also here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_the_Dragon which I based on Caller's picture in the OP ^^ Again, I know nothing about Three Kingdoms except for what I've read on Wiki... what exactly are these "far more likely names" other than the obvious leaders? On May 23 2010 22:10 DarthThienAn wrote: ebwop: Basically, the reason in what I did is pretty simple and obvious. You're just trying to make it seem like some elaborate scheme of mine to trick everyone? And the whole "dropping hints" thing that I did doesn't really matter. I was just having fun trolling. On May 23 2010 22:25 DarthThienAn wrote: I thought about Zhang Fei... but the wiki article on him isnt as directly related to Three Kingdoms... or at least the sections aren't as nice =D Who are Huang Gai and Zhang Liao? lol. And Meng Huo? Again, my thought process: "Hey let's bait someone into nameclaiming" -> find name -> claim name -> done. I didn't think someone would be so direct as to say "I'M MA CHAO" I thought they would be more like, "KILL DARTH" but a straight up confession works too. glhf, man. Let me know what you come up with... reading characters' info has really told me nothing about their roles, just history. -_- On May 23 2010 22:53 DarthThienAn wrote: By all means, keep thinking like that. All Wikipedia offers is history, and plot. It hardly describes their characters. And I hardly pay attention to the details that it offers, since they are unrelated to this game. I never claimed that I was doing extensive research on the game's characters. I've only said that everything I know comes from Wikipedia - that's not saying "I know everything about Three Kingdoms." And by all means, waste your time protecting TwoToneTerran, the lurker who disappeared for three days, came back to say "I am Ma Chao," posted a couple more times, and disappeared yet again without contributing while being quite active in other forums. Waste your time trying to figure out my "hidden intentions" rather than deal with concrete things. Anyway, that's not important. Night actions: deal with Ohn, Fishball/MyHeroNoob, and Trez/Iaaan. How shall we go about this? On May 24 2010 00:21 DarthThienAn wrote: Reason? I told you my reason. It wasn't a great reason, but I don't think it was a bad one, or one that hurt the town in any way, unless you keep trying to over-analyze it. Wiki describes them, but not in any way relevant to this game.. perhaps you could give an example if you feel differently? When I read people's characters bios, I could not see the relation to their roles, which made me conclude that Caller just randomized names + roles. "Something stinks about your play." ok. I'm playing for the town or "neutral". Can you smell it? How have I come up with nothing? I provided my reasoning - you just won't accept it. On May 24 2010 06:55 DarthThienAn wrote: To bait someone into nameclaiming. Also, Caller... that was the lamest day post ever for waiting more than half the night -___-. Hesmyrr didn't die? Sweeettt. On May 24 2010 16:50 DarthThienAn wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2010 13:02 Fishball wrote: Ok, got some free time now so here it goes. I am not Meng Huo. I claimed Meng Huo for only one reason; To avoid being recruited. Who would want to recruit a player that does not have any special abilities besides deserting his own faction? I know the Three Kingdoms very well, which allows me to come up with this role. Guess what, Meng Huo with the exact same ability I came up with actually exist in this game (assuming that MyHeroNoob is also telling the truth, and did not "make up" the same role like I did). Earlier in the thread, I replied to Radfield with the following. My role has a passive ability, and if I were to be recruited, I would have no choice but to "help" my leader, whether I know it or not, want it or not. ---------- I am not a leader or recruiter. When Hesmyrr brought up the neutral victory at the beginning, I was the first one to propose that a mass role claim would be needed (role claim, not just name claim). BrownBear also PM'd me right away after I claimed Meng Huo. I could have easily abused this opportunity and lied if I were hostile to the neutrals. I didn't. LunarDestiny had a good read here. ---------- As for our current Night, I propose to have Tricode check me, just to further validate my creditability, as motive itself is never enough. Regarding MyHeroNoob, even though he has been quiet all game, and we don't know whether his claim is fake or not, compared to the other dual claimers, he shouldn't be our focus right now. In the past few pages, I noticed DarthThienAn has been trying to push the focus on the other two claim incidents, instead of his dual Ma Chao claim. Looks kinda fishy to me. Trezequet23's claim of Cao Pi being able to kill the recruiter, if the recruiter isn't Cao Cao doesn't really make sense (Judging based on my knowledge of the Three Kingdoms). I would send Abenson on him, as I have a hunch he could be YT. Iaaan's claim of Cao Pi being able to rebuild Wei after Cao Cao's death, if recruited by Cao Cao makes a bit more sense, but it is still a somewhat bizarre skill. Yet this is a Caller game, so who knows. Right now, YT is still our biggest threat. If Abenson's role claim is true, his power is one of our best weapons. We want to kill YT/Leaders, but not trim down our neutral numbers in the case we are wrong. I would still propose role checking Abenson. We would never want to be lead blindly. Like mentioned by others already, it is safe to assume YT already has at least 3-5 members right now. You might not know if you're recruited if they choose not to notify you. It is like a hidden plague amongst us. If we're lucky, we should be able to catch at least 2 original YT among these dual claims. Look at it from my perspective. I've explained myself over and over to Scamp, giving him the same reason every time as to why I did what I did. Any further discussion on it, unless someone has something new to ask me, is a waste of time to the town. Which is which I "tried to push the focus on the other two claim incidents." We need(ed?) to cover all of the bases regarding night actions to make sure we get the most information we can out of tonight and confirm who's lying, etc. Do you agree with me? We've done incredibly well to kill 2 leaders in two days, although we lost Hesmyrr. Now, however, the rate of recruitment is half of what it could have been in the beginning - and like Caller said, we're in a great position to win as neutral. + Show Spoiler [Scamp's posts] + On May 22 2010 14:20 Scamp wrote: Are you guys just gonna ignore the fact that two people claimed the same person? On May 22 2010 14:26 Tricode wrote: Edit (or w/e you're suppose to type) I believe DarthThienAn admitted to lying basically to fish for info? On May 22 2010 14:50 Scamp wrote: Dumb reason to lie IMO. Get someone to claim their name? What's the point? He also claimed so he wouldn't be killed while he was away. He's clearly not away. You're supposed to type EBWOP. Also you're not the only person I was talking to with the ignoring thing. On May 23 2010 20:19 Scamp wrote: Oh yeah let's not suspect Darth for having a failsafe to a plan that had no point. And if that weren't enough, he decided to leave clues as another failsafe, y'know, in case the first failsafe failed. So what was gained for bringing out Ma Chao? Nothing as far as I can tell. I can't figure out what his deal is. On May 23 2010 22:02 Scamp wrote: Honestly, I really don't care about your defense. I'm more concerned why Radfield doesn't find you suspicious. But hey, since you're kind enough to reply, let's stick with you. There still is no point to what you did. We didn't need names, since they were coming along just fine. Even now, we will learn Ohn's name very fast when we kill him. Ma Chao was also very likely NOT to be in the game. If no one claimed Ma Chao were you just going to speak up and say "I was just funnin'. I'm really Zhou Yu." Pretty doubtful IMO. And if you're drawing out names, there were far more likely names to go with other than Ma Chao. Basically, there's no reason in what you did. On May 23 2010 22:15 Scamp wrote: Pretty much anyone who claimed after you did is more obvious. Huang Gai. Zhang Liao. ZHANG MUTHERFUCKIN' FEI??? I don't include Meng Huo. Yeah I think there's some elaborate scheming going on. The reason in what you did is NOT simple and obvious, otherwise I would understand why you felt you needed to do that. Since you won't explain such a simple and obvious thing....I don't think it is. Basically I think I will look up Ma Chao and figure out why anyone would want to know who he is. I also think that anyone that can prevent TwoToneTerran from being recruited should do so. Stupid useless TTT. Protect him. Bleh. On May 23 2010 22:33 Scamp wrote: Who knows? Maybe you or someone you know wants to recruit Ma Chao for some reason. It could be in your role PM for all I know. Find Ma Chao and this will happen... Your thought process is still silly and unnecessary. Hey, the town supports a mass nameclaim, there's only about seven or so people left who haven't nameclaimed....so let's bait someone into nameclaiming! The point: Lulz! AGAIN, DON'T LET ANYTHING FUCKING HAPPEN TO TwotoneTerran! And don't ask me who those people are. Look them up in the wiki. I'm surprised you haven't done that already, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN READING CHARACTERS' INFO. On May 23 2010 23:47 Scamp wrote: By all means, Darth, keep pretending like you had a good reason, or even ANY reason to do what you did. By all means, Darth, keep using wiki as a basis for name-hunting, and then downplaying the use of it at all. Wiki does describe all the characters, BTW. By all means, keep pretending like you're doing something useful for the town. Something stinks about your play. I have given you countless chances to provide any reasoning and you've come up with nothing. Radfield also needs to answer as well. On May 24 2010 06:24 Scamp wrote: I could give an example if I could actually confirm what anyone does. As for your reason, I must have missed it. What was it? On May 24 2010 22:25 Scamp wrote: Darth, honestly, you've never explained yourself to me once. I'm not going to force the issue since I'm not getting any support, but to claim you've explained it over and over is simply false. Unless your explanation is that you have no good explanation. Then it's true. Anyway, the way I see it is that if I were a recruiter I would message someone I had recruited and ask to use their name and then have them risk claiming something random instead of myself. It's also highly feasible that Caller gave them all safe claims as mass nameclaim is an obvious way to break the game. | ||
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XeliN
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DarthThienAn
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anyway. + Show Spoiler + "I was fishing" "We need people to nameclaim..." etc "I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name." @Xelin: " I'll claim for real this time: I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway. " "I didn't really care who I brought out. We need names, no? Even now, we still don't know Ohn's name. I was luring out the lurkers who hadn't given their names. I figured Ma Chao would be in the game, and went with it. I claimed to both Radfield and BrownBear, who are, as far as I'm concerned, two of the town's most trustworthy people right now (or else I wouldn't have claimed to them). My plan was never meant to be game-altering. Just trying to get a little bit more information out there for the town." " Radfield doesn't suspect me because he already knew who I was (Zhou Yu) 2-3 days ago, beginning of day 2-ish. The more people that give the names, the less people on the list of suspects. I thought Ma Chao was likely to be in the game. " "Basically, the reason in what I did is pretty simple and obvious. ... And the whole "dropping hints" thing that I did doesn't really matter. I was just having fun trolling." "Again, my thought process: "Hey let's bait someone into nameclaiming" -> find name -> claim name -> done. I didn't think someone would be so direct as to say "I'M MA CHAO" I thought they would be more like, "KILL DARTH" but a straight up confession works too." "I never claimed that I was doing extensive research on the game's characters. I've only said that everything I know comes from Wikipedia - that's not saying "I know everything about Three Kingdoms."" @whoever said I was pushing for the other double claims: "Anyway, that's not important. Night actions: deal with Ohn, Fishball/MyHeroNoob, and Trez/Iaaan. How shall we go about this?" I did so after explaining myself several times, so that's hardly "dodging" my situation. "Reason? I told you my reason. It wasn't a great reason, but I don't think it was a bad one, or one that hurt the town in any way, unless you keep trying to over-analyze it. ... How have I come up with nothing? I provided my reasoning - you just won't accept it." "To bait someone into nameclaiming." " Look at it from my perspective. I've explained myself over and over to Scamp, giving him the same reason every time as to why I did what I did. Any further discussion on it, unless someone has something new to ask me, is a waste of time to the town. Which is which I "tried to push the focus on the other two claim incidents." We need(ed?) to cover all of the bases regarding night actions to make sure we get the most information we can out of tonight and confirm who's lying, etc. " tl;dr version: I did my fake claim to draw out another player's name. Simple as that. I chose a fairly random name, but one I thought would be in the game, based on what I knew from Wikipedia - which wasn't much. Credentials? Radfield already said I claimed to him beforehand - BrownBear hasn't said anything but he hasn't been active lately since he's been moving home from college. Maybe you should PM him to do so if it's that big of a deal to you. Officially: I am Zhou Yu. I'm not going to roleclaim at this point, because that's retarded and I don't need to. Enough people know my role that we can make use of it. Can we move on now? Or is there something else you want me to explain? Ask me directly, now, or else shut up and focus on the matter at hand, instead of going in circles with me. | ||
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DarthThienAn
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On May 24 2010 23:23 XeliN wrote: Thats nice but it doesn't exactly constitute telling us your role. Explain why I should tell you my role? | ||
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XeliN
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Roleclaim please, although if I am alone in thinking you should then there is no need to. | ||
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Abenson
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On May 24 2010 23:32 XeliN wrote: Because once roles are open then they are still just as useful for the neutrals, but close to useless for the teams. No-one can use a night ability without it being linked to them. It means we can officially co-ordinate together as a town and in general it would make your long-ass explanatory posts that much more credible. Roleclaim please, although if I am alone in thinking you should then there is no need to. I'm already following what the town asks, just not directly. People have stated what they were doing for their night roles; I can base my night actions off that information. Roleclaiming = "Hey recruit me" unless it's Meng Huo, or maybe even if it's Meng Huo. I don't think roleclaiming would add any credibility to my explanations, especially to those who aren't even listening to what I'm saying. Just like in regular mafia where roleclaiming makes you a target for night kill, roleclaiming here makes you a target for recruitment. The only reason why I would roleclaim would be if it would help the town somehow, which, at this point, I fail to see how it could - hence, I'm not going to roleclaim until I need to. And my "long-ass explanatory posts" aren't even that long. The most recent one was a bunch of quotes of several explanatory posts where I repeat myself and try to satisfy Scamp with his saying that I haven't explained myself. It was supposed to be spoilered, but, eh. missed a tag somewhere. | ||
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XeliN
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The fact that apparently the only person you have told is Radfield is also odd. | ||
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Abenson
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