Pick Your Power Mafia!

On May 03 2010 19:26 Radfield wrote:
Stupid. I thought we had another 24hrs to vote.

As far as the inventor goes. It seems like there are two possible routes. Protection from mafia(bulletproof vests) or Detective kits. With the mafia only at a KP of 1, and the SK being able to shoot through vests, detective kits seem like a much better option. If we can get a bunch of detective kits out and about, it will make us much more likely to win. Keeping in mind that we possibly have a completely useless alignment cop, and Zona's 5:1 claim, lots of dt kits are probably our surest way towards a victory.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't be creative though. Ideally you would combine the two roles in a sweet-ass invention. Like some sort of security robot who can protect you at night and be sent out to investigate during the day. The robot could capture everyone who visits you at night and force them to reveal their role/alignment. Etc

On May 04 2010 14:13 Korynne wrote:
Hmmm, this further increases my suspicion of BM/Foolishness.
I'm assuming d3 could've died trying to protect one of them.

Well now that mafia copy cat has a nub weak doctor role...

Can someone claim alignment on BM/Foolishness? I guess it's a bad idea to reveal your role so soon though. =\

FoS on BM/Foolishness, but certainly don't want to lynch the wrong one here. =\

Cellphone seems like a reasonable invention, given that mafia wouldn't need a cell to PM each other. If inventor tries to give the invention to someone who died during the night (ex. d3) is the invention basically wasted?

On May 04 2010 14:46 johnnyspazz wrote:
i'm guessing his cellphone allows you to pm people
one of the hits wasn't mafia, i'm guessing SK killed caller and mafia hit d3? after all, assuming the mafia has copycat, why would they hit caller?

On May 04 2010 21:08 Radfield wrote:
OK, no excuses for not voting today folks.

Looking through the thread, an obvious target has emerged. However, I'm assuming that no one has blatently lied so far about their role. Even if that's the case, we will quickly be able to find the liar. So for the moment I'm going to treat everyone's comments about themselves as FACTS.

Facts: d3 and caller are dead
Facts: Qatal, Korynne, Opz and possibly Falcynn(he's been a touch ambiguous) have no role
Facts: Bill Murray is the Inventor and therefore Foolishness is the CompVig
Facts: Someone took Copy Cat before Qatol, this person is likely mafia.
Facts: Hobbes has a "fun, fun role", probably not Copy Cat,

# Bill Murray - Inventor
# Foolishness - CompVig
# Korynne - VANILLA
# Falcynn - VANILLA
# [NyC]HoBbes - Fun Role(Not Copy Cat)
# ~Opz~ - VANILLA
# d3_crescentia - DEAD(Medic)
# Caller - DEAD(VANILLA)
# sidesprang - ?????Copy Cat?????????
# Qatol - VANILLA

Assuming these are all facts, we've just found a mafia! Of course, these are not facts, and someone could be lying. But this gives us a great place to start.

Lets assume we lynch Sidesprang, 1 of 2 things happen:
1. He is anti-town. HOORAY!
2. He is pro-town. WHOOPS

If he is pro-town, all of a sudden the finger has to be pointed elsewhere:

1. Qatol: He's lying about someone else claiming Copy Cat
2. Someone who claimed Vanilla is lying: Korynne, Opz or Falcynn
2a Both Korynne and Opz claimed they tried for CompVig(this situation needs to be analyzed closer) but it lends a tad of credibility.
2b Falcynn wishy washily claimed VANILLA without actually doing it
3 Hobbes actually took Copy Cat and then posted as a "fun role" to allay suspicion. This seems least likely; being high up in the draft he had no need to take Copy Cat.


I think this is a great place to start. If I've made a mistake up to now someone please point it out.

So, with Sidesprang as a suspect, lets look at his posting history





Hmm, only two posts of any substance, and only 4 posts the entire thread. Both posts read like scum if you ask me. First post has a lot of words but little substance. Second post is mainly regurgitated obvious pro-town stuff, with a vote for the most inactive person. Also, Amnesia does NOT look fishy, he looks inactive.

Now whether you are or are not Mafia Sidesprang, your actions and the claims of others paint you out to be one.

Once again, this is a starting point folks.

##Vote Sidesprang ##

On May 04 2010 21:43 Radfield wrote:
Just remembered we need to vote on Comp Vig hits as well. We all know who the CV is, so please play along Foolishness. There's no point in hiding it anymore, if I can figure it out, anyone can. If you are NOT the CV Foolishness, you need to let us know, because that pegs Korynne as a liar. (Again, I'm running on the assumption that Bill is Inventor, which is highly likely at this point, and would be extremely risky for him to claim it if he's not)

Originally I was going to propose ~opz~ or Falycnn. As I thought they would be most likely to be lying about CopyCat if Sidespring flips green, but looking closer I don't think it likely that either are lying. I really believe that Sidesprang WILL flip red, and at this point I think if he flips green we hit Qatol. BUT, I don't think we should hit Qatol until we find out Sidesprang's alignment. Which means we shouldn't use our CompVig hit on Qatol.

Honestly, I don't think Qatol is mafia either at this point. If the Day Vig hit Sidesprang today, that would make this easier. If Sidesprang flips green, we start hitting the people who claimed VANILLA. Worse case we kill VANILLA townies, best case we hit mafia. If Sidesprang flips red, we celebrate and move on.

Obivously we don't want to waste our DayVig, but this seems like a decent time to use it. If people disagree please voice it. However, our DayVig is likely near the top of the list, which means they might not live long anyways. Hobbes, I think you're the DayVig, and I also think it likely you will be targeted soon. You're one of the few people at the top of the list who has a role. You are not the Inventor or CV so you won't get medic protection. Lastly, you claimed a 'fun, fun role' which makes you a mafia target. I'm kinda hoping you actually chose Meth Man and then posted 'fun, fun role' in an effort to get yourself hit by mafia. If so you're awesome. But if not, you need to use you're ability while you still can.

Please speak up people, I think my reasoning here is sound, but I'm open to other suggestions.

On May 04 2010 22:48 Radfield wrote:


More importantly Citizen, Are you going to vote Sidesprang?

We learn a lot more with him than anyone else at the moment. If he flips green, we KNOW someone has lied and we have the likely candidates of ~opz~, Qatol and Falcynn.

Think about it though, Sidesprang is the perfect distance down to pick CopyCat. Not high enough to get a great role, and just high enough to beat out Qatol. The perfect spot to take that pick if you're mafia and have 4 slots.

On May 05 2010 00:46 Falcynn wrote:
Although yeah, I kind of agree with not hitting Qatol with our CV yet...

On May 05 2010 01:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:

You see what I'm saying? -_-
And dropping Korynne from his earlier list. Shit, I didn't even read the thread yet, before my picks..

Actually...

Good point Falcynn. Let's see what role foolishness is.

## VoteKorynne ##

He's claimed vanilla also, why isn't he a decent target....Other than sidesprang not talking. I truly don't care about sidesprang, I'll vote for him if I must, but I'm not going to be led like a sheep by someone that screams suspiciousness at me.

On May 05 2010 01:30 Radfield wrote:



If he did that then it was awfully anti-town. Qatol stated he was going for the copy-cat, why would another town player swipe it right before him instead of grabbing another useful role? It doesn't make any sense.

But yeah, if he flops town aligned copy-cat that sucks, but he deserves it for screwing over the town plan.

On May 05 2010 05:41 Korynne wrote:


Okay seriously OpZ you need to read, or be more clear.

A weak doctor died, which means that he could've tried to protect a mafia and got killed. Seeing as how we're all like PROTECT BM AND FOOLISHNESS, d3 could've died protecting one of them. I'm not implying BM or Foolishness should've died, I'm saying d3 could've died trying to protect one of them if they are mafia. Granted, SK probably killed someone and mafia killed someone but then again one of their kills could've been blocked so who knows...

Also citi.zen, why do you vote for killing me out of me OpZ and Falcynn, I have no opposition to you killing me for information (finding out that BM/Foolishness is mafia/compvig) but you didn't state a reasoning.

On May 05 2010 06:54 DarthThienAn wrote:


lol. Korynne, that doesn't tell us anything, why'd you roleclaim?



Opz is also suspicious to me though. He claims he went for CompVig AFTER Korynne already stated that she went for it and failed - not only is that a useless roleclaim, but it's completely un-confirmable, which makes me think he might be lying. Well, you can confirm with a Role Check but that requires the Role Cop to claim, which obviously is not a good idea. His pointing out that going CC is retarded makes that just a little bit more suspicious, trying to cover his tracks and whatnot. He's also been (in general) against most of what the town has been saying, and without much justification, which is scummy to me.

Definitely agree with the CV at night deal.

I have a question though (read Qatol's post), who are we lynching? He/Rad I think suggested Day Vig'ing sidesprang and then lynching someone else? And what do we do in the case that no one picked Day Vig?

Back to reading that essay -_-

On May 05 2010 07:02 DarthThienAn wrote:
@giving people vests, it makes mafia immune to serial killer kills as well... which is a luck-based thing, but IT STILL PROTECTS THEM at night. So I think we need something more creative that just bulletproof vests =[. The alternative is doing it anyway and assuming our information will get better if we delay the game. But we don't really want to save mafia - I can see this still being done, but there's gotta be something better, any ideas? >_>

Also, do we want to take a closer look at the inactive people? ie. Amnesia, who basically hasn't posted ANYTHING here. Read: mafia scum trying to hide and stay out of the spotlight, or: busy with life, and still useless -__-. Other players have been posting from time to time, although some of them post worthless these (maybe that includes me, from other's perspectives...)

I think there should be a way to work with that CV+medic dealio, but I'm gonna go back to the drawing board on that.

On May 05 2010 08:27 Foolishness wrote:

Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance.

At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered.

I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him.

Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia.

I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day.

And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today.

I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not.

This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this.

That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople.

Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point.

You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night.

We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia).


If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill.


Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right?

On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote:
Foolishness, let me address your post in pieces:

Yay another person trying to "subtly" poke holes in my credibility. Having fun over there with your buddy ~OpZ~?

Agreed. I feel much better about johnnyspazz, but after the day 1 voting fiasco, I don't trust the town to get their act together in time on anyone except sidesprang. I also think there is a decent chance that he is mafia. At the very least, he hasn't been helpful at all. I'm willing to gamble on this one.


Except you have something to contribute. If you took anything other than CompVig, you should have already roleclaimed because then we have a confirmed mafia in the first 3 players.

Fine. I nominate johnnyspazz. We can worry about the higher people on the list later.

Really? You think Bill would lie about taking the inventor role? Here's the thing: If he's innocent, it doesn't help the town for him to lie about his role. It just makes us lynch people around him whether or not we actually have solid reads on them. I would hope that he is smart enough to see that.


Actually, that is wrong. Either you are town and legitimately got roleblocked (telling us there is a mafia roleblocker out there) or you are mafia and did not get roleblocked (telling us that there is no mafia roleblocker out there). I'd like to be able to figure out which of these cases is the truth.


In which case nobody except the mafia will claim to be roleblocked and I'm happy.

I think Amnesia is a useless townie. He's too prominent to be mafia. I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia want to use him as a scapegoat. johnnyspazz > Amnesia


And I think we need to clear the DayVigi from our suspect list. That would be easier if they took their shot.

We can't do anything BUT trust that it did what it was supposed to do at this point. But he really needs to be giving something else out: tracking kits, vet lives, dt kits. I would say meth bombs except I'm still not sure that Cell Phone isn't a detonator.

On May 05 2010 09:01 Qatol wrote:

Really? Then why was his first post afterwards his numbers? But then you aren't exactly clean to me either. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the mafia had 4 of these 5: you, johnnyspazz, foolishness, jeejee, sidesprang

On May 06 2010 04:17 DarthThienAn wrote:
Well the DT kit is a one time thing... I don't know if that applies to ALL inventions though.

On May 06 2010 07:39 Radfield wrote:
I'd like to bring this back to our compvig hit. At this point it seems like everyone who has posts an opinion has said to hit Johnnyspazz. Personally I don't find him all that scummy, so I'd like to propose a possible second target.

At first I was suspicious of Falcynn, but I checked though his history and the main thing that jumped up was that he voted second on the sidesprang lynch, so he seems slightly in the clear.

But you know who does strike me as scummy? Scamp. I'm not familiar with his posting in other games, so this might be the norm, but he has accused just about everyone in this game of being mafia. Lets check out some posts






This one is taken slightly out of context, but still somewhat incriminating. He followed it with:


Finally puts a vote on Sidesprang, AFTER a majority was reached(I think)

So what do we have here, early on he pushes for a quick lynch of either BM or Foolishness, while downplaying the importance of the CopyCat. We now know that the copycat was in mafia hands. He puts a hard or soft FoS on pretty much any active poster he can: BM, Foolishness, Korynne, Falcynn, Qatol and myself.

This is not an open and shut case, but I'd love for a few other people to take a close look at him.

Also I am not yet recommending we switch our compvig vote. Lets stick with Johnnyspazz for now unless more people agree with me on Scamp.

##CompVig Johnnyspazz##

On May 06 2010 07:03 johnnyspazz wrote:

he's just trying to be 100% safe.
if you were mafia-aligned, then you would stack the mafia hit and compvig hit to get past medic protection to kill him. if that is the case, then the item he gives you will end up countering your compvig hit somehow.
if you are town-aligned, then you just use the item to role check someone.

On May 06 2010 10:56 Foolishness wrote:

This

On May 06 2010 10:54 Foolishness wrote:

I think BM has gone back and forth between about 4 people so far for who he thinks is most obviously mafia. Don't worry, it'll blow over in another few hours at the current rate.

On May 06 2010 12:08 citi.zen wrote:

You entire stance on this issue is extremely shaky. First you don't want a gun. Then you are OK with it, but would simply make it bullet-piercing (even though that still allows a medic-protected red to live, presumably). Then you are "ok" with the gun detonating if the attacker hits Bill - yet the whole freaking point of the gun is that it CAN ONLY KILL REDS - so if Bill is town making the gun he should have no need for it to detonate, since IT CAN'T KILL BILL ANYWAY.

This is very shaky reasoning about a very simple matter, totally out of character for you Qatol.

On May 06 2010 12:25 Zona wrote:
I don't think we have the momentum to switch the compvig vote away from johnnyspazz tonight, but still, here are some considerations for the future:

Falcynn doesn't have many posts, and most of his statements are just questions about the game or agreement with plans others have posted. His excuse is that he's working on a film-making contest and thus is busy. The only interesting thing of note is his offer to sacrifice himself so that the alignment cop could use him to determine sanity, but nothing has come of that.

Almost everyone but Foolishness himself now acknowledges that he's the compulsive vig. We'll see tonight whether or not the compulsive vig will follow the town's direction. A lot of his early posts include doubts about the public roleclaims during the phase when most of the town was talking about them. Pretty abrasive too, but he's been like that in previous games. We'll learn more when we see the comp vig results.

Among the players still living Jeejee has few posts. He thinks he knows Hobbes's role as he was unable to get what he picked, and first expected something from it "he sure isn't doing shit with it" but then changed his mind:

"i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see.
atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue."

Actually given this statement I think it's JeeJee's job to keep an eye on Hobbes. And Hobbes should be thinking from his end of things if what JeeJee's saying adds up.

Scamp has been pretty accusative all game. He's noted Falcynn and Qatol as mafia on his "list" and at one point said "Personally, I'm wondering if there's a good reason not to lynch Foolishness right now." But he's also taken a lot of contrary opinions to the town concensus which I think in itself is a good thing, as we should be open to various possibilities and not just focus on one interpretation of things. One interesting thing that occurred earlier in the game is Qatol's insistence that Scamp pick doctor.

Opz hasn't said much recently...neither has Korynne, who was pretty active early on.

On May 06 2010 12:34 Qatol wrote:

The original gun we were talking about could kill innocents. I hadn't thought of a gun that cannot kill innocents until someone else had brought it up. I'm okay with a gun that can't kill townies. Bill still has to give the gun to someone else to use. While it can't shoot him, he is giving it to someone we basically know has KP (though he hasn't acknowledged it). Thus he wants it to be able to detonate if that player shoots him even through other means. This idea also protects him in the future if he happened to give a gun to the mafia because if the mafia hit him, the gun blows up one of their members.

On May 06 2010 12:50 citi.zen wrote:
I actually like JeeJee's pay in this game. First time for everything I guess. Good suggestions on invention, calling BS when he sees it, not bad. Here's a good example on the ongoing invention fiasco, where Qatol seems to keep raising half-baked objections:


Well said, no idea how Qatol missed that one too.

On May 06 2010 12:55 Falcynn wrote:
I'm actually done with the contest, that was on Friday/Saturday, I was only using that reason for why I missed the role claims. My activity here is mostly due to the fact that I usually don't have much to contribute other than agreeing with others =/ In flamewheel's game (mafia XXII) I was criticized for not saying much and was told that even if all I do is agree with others, then at least say so as that appears less scummy and helps the town by knowing where the townies stand.

So even though I usually don't have anything new to add to any discussions, I figured I should at least take the advice from last game and get involved with the discussions, even if all I do is agree with people.

Anyways, I'm going to go ahead and just say (even if it makes me seem scummy) that I agree with lynching BM or calling for him to be CV'd if he makes some other obscure item that goes against what all the other townies have said. The gun that only kills mafia sounds like a great idea, but really, as long as BM invents something that shows he's at least listening to us rather than just taking things in his own hands would do a great deal to make him less suspicious.

Right now, it seems BM is doing a good job (probably not intentionally, but that's beside the point) in dividing the town and distracting us.

On May 06 2010 13:03 Zona wrote:
Actually the more I think about it the more I like the gunpowder detection kit idea. The tracker role is able to see the serial killer when the serial killer goes out on the kill, so there is a way for the serial killer to be detected - as long as functionality doesn't depend on the serial killer's alignment itself. A gunpowder detection kit will detect not based on alignment, but ability to kill - so I'm expecting that it would be able to detect the serial killer's guns.

A gunpowder detection kit - that's what I suggest the inventor invent.

On May 06 2010 19:09 Radfield wrote:
I have been shot at and saved by the medic. Good work medic.

Likely scenario:Foolishness kills Jspazz, Mafia shoot at me, SK kills Bill Murray.

If you think about it, BM was a bigger threat to the SK then anyone else in the game. Considering that the only way the SK can get found is either the tracker or BM's inventions.



Wow, the likelihood of us lynching you for this move was decently high... oh well

On May 06 2010 03:13 Qatol wrote:

I can't believe I missed this earlier. No bombs please. I don't trust that day 1 cell phone not to be a detonator. Please let's just stick with something that prevents hits. We are losing town members too fast. I like the security camera/trip wire idea suggested earlier if ace allows it (prevents the hit and shows you your attacker). Otherwise, just something that turns a player into a veteran would be quite useful.

On May 07 2010 08:18 Qatol wrote:

Fine, I'll bite. I agree that he is suspicious and we need to lynch someone right now.
##Vote: DarThienAn##
Though citi.zen never ceases to amaze me with his ability to come out of nowhere and vote.
I want to try something out tonight.
##CompVig: citi.zen##
This is just a theory, but I think he is the serial killer. Why? Well go back and look at his discussion of inventions. He specifically emphasizes inventions that not only the town, but the SK would also be immune to (immune to alignment checks, guns that can only kill MAFIA not guns that CANNOT KILL INNOCENTS)
Finally, I'm hoping that the SK will work with us tonight (and they very well might if I'm off base on this). In that case, I'd like them to hit either Scamp or JeeJee based on how this lynch comes out.

On May 07 2010 08:48 Radfield wrote:
There is flaw in our plan Qatol. By putting down all these follow up names(Scamp, Citizen, JeeJee) it's likely they just won't vote for Darth. Hobbes has stated he's gone for the night.

That means to get 7 we need Zona, Opz, Falcynn(where did you go????) and Foolishness to all vote in favor of Darth. If Darth IS mafia and one of those 4 are mafia, then they can stop the vote from going through. However, there is the chance that someone may be Floridian too, which could push us over.

I propose that if Scamp, Citizen or JeeJee vote for Darth, then we hold off on voting them off the island. Prove your pro-townness and vote off Darth!

On May 07 2010 08:22 Radfield wrote:
The thing with Foolishness is, it doesn't really matter if he's town or mafia aligned. At some point his CV hits will become a dangerous detriment to the town and we'll have to lynch him just to stay alive. We also have to lynch him before it becomes possible for him and the mafia to make a double hit and gain a huge advantage.

Other than that we keep him alive for the extra kills until we're down to one mafia, then we lynch him. There's just no reason to have a CV with only one mafia around.

On May 07 2010 09:01 Korynne wrote:
Right, it's okay if mafia isn't everyone else's priority in life but I'm the one being the suspect for it. >_>

Most of your posts are like 5min posts, I even went through them again afterwards to make sure. They're mostly like 1-5 lines long and are like conversational rather than analysis. I'm taking my information from zbot so it's not updated with your entire afternoon writing stuff, but I mean given that everyone is accusing you today it would be rather silly to sit back and read and not post long defenses. Though my bad on the explanation on not voting sidesprang, it was in the johnnyspazz long pots so I skimmed and didn't catch it.

On May 07 2010 09:13 Foolishness wrote:

Perhaps I should play like you and make a claim about someone and not back it up with any evidence? And I should also not read the thread, because other people aren't important. Thanks for your input on who we should lynch, really helps us here.

On May 07 2010 10:03 Radfield wrote:



That part wasn't directed at you Opz. I assume you will vote for Darth because it makes sense to you. I don't really suspect you much right now.

The pro-townness part was for those people who I most suspect are mafia.

On May 07 2010 10:05 Radfield wrote:



That's actually not a bad idea, although it really depends on the situation. There may be a time when we simply can't risk him being mafia and getting off a double kill.

On May 07 2010 10:19 Foolishness wrote:
It's not worth my time to respond to you.

On May 07 2010 10:19 Foolishness wrote:
It's not worth my time to respond to you.

On May 07 2010 10:26 Scamp wrote:
Oh never mind. I think I just got crazy double-vote ninja'd.

On May 08 2010 16:03 Korynne wrote:
OpZ that seriously made very little sense with the BP claiming... No one wants to die. Claiming BP is letting yourself die to lynching... no one's that stupid.

On May 08 2010 18:57 Qatol wrote:
And I realize my proposal is somewhat similar to something OpZ has been talking about. The only difference is this way doesn't involve a modkill.

On May 09 2010 01:28 Korynne wrote:
I repeat, if you are bulletproof, you would be a retard to claim bulletproof and let the town lynch you.

On May 09 2010 05:19 Korynne wrote:
I guess if that's what it comes down to. =(

If Falcynn is mafia I'm blaming it all on you Qatol. xD
If Qatol turns out mafia then it's citi.zen's fault for clearing you. =P

With a good amount of you wanting me dead I don't suppose there's anything I can do about it. Foolishness has been wanting to get his hands on me for ages. xP

I guess I'm okay with this plan, I could always try to argue between me and Falcynn if/after OpZ turns out town.

So we all good with lynching OpZ then? (other than OpZ, of course. xD)

I'd like to hear if OpZ has a roleclaim before he is lynched.

On May 09 2010 13:16 citi.zen wrote:

It really is a compliment. There are few people I would be this paranoid over.

On May 09 2010 13:38 Korynne wrote:
Gee chill out. I did my own number analysis to agree with Qatol's verdict on assuming citi.zen is pretty much innocent.

If my "sheep ass" causes town to lose then you didn't do your best to stop it from happening. There's good players and bad players, and if you're going to just say fuck everyone else I'm better than you then you're not very helpful to town winning as a whole. This isn't a game where you win if you found all the mafia, it's a game where you have to convince the entire town to lynch the mafia.

More days = more time to analyze, but also less tries for town. We already mentioned that.

If we don't lynch anyone and tell Foolishness not to compvig anyone, then we are left with 4 townies and 1 mafia tomorrow, at which point we lynch someone, mafia kills someone, and we're left with 2 townies and 1 mafia and we make our final guess.

If we do lynch someone, Foolishness compvig's someone, then mafia kills someone, we're left with 2 townies and 1 mafia tomorrow. The difference here is that we killed 2 suspicious people and mafia kills someone that's pretty cleared, whereas in the case where we don't lynch, we kill 1 suspicious person and allow mafia to kill off 2 people that are pretty much cleared. So clearly lynching is better than not lynching.