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On May 08 2010 19:07 Foolishness wrote: After being so incredibly retarded I'm almost okay with shooting myself right now. Honestly I'm probably too tired so I'm just going to wait until I calm down and sleep and then discuss it. REMEMBER DONT READ PAGE 44 GUYS! I'm agreed here. I think I'm going to sleep on this before saying anything else. I'd like to hear what citi.zen has to say as well. | ||
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On May 09 2010 01:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: You use my idea, AND PUSH FOR MY LYNCH. Wow...Are you fucking kidding me? My BP idea? Well hello, we can verify BP! Have foolishness HIT him. Mafia can't claim it and be legit unless the mafia got it. I think it would be interesting to see because the role is actually pretty useless for mafia (SK bullets smack through it). That was my idea. Not like the mafia had truly to fear the comp vig...Easy kill on him. That was why I said BP should claim. It makes wonderful sense to me. Foolishness can verify BP. Yes we can verify BP. I'll even assume that the BP is innocent (though we have no reason to believe that - mafia could have taken the role to deny it from the town). 3 issues: 1. Why should we think there even is one? 2. If we DO shoot the BP does it help us? It results in a 3 townies 1 mafia end game which is still lynch or lose. The town could follow the BP's selection about who is mafia, but that's still a 1 in 3 chance of hitting red unless the BP has a strong read. 3. What if the last mafia has the Jack of All Trades role? We still haven't seen that role show up, and we definitely haven't seen it use its night kill ability unless it was blocked and nobody claimed (unlikely). If that last player is Jack, we may have to win this with that night hit that you want to use on the bulletproof. I'd just rather take 3/2 shots at winning this instead of 2/1 (lynch, compvig hit, lynch(if no jack)) Also, BP may still be able to soak the Jack hit. | ||
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On May 08 2010 23:29 citi.zen wrote: LOL @ foolish(ness). So... with Zona red I am more inclined to think Qatol is town. Not sure who I like as red and on weekends I always have less time. Opz seems like a good candidate, and am OK lynching foolishness too. We decided that the final lynch or lose situation is slightly easier if we don't kill Foolishness now. You are probably taking the mafia hit tonight (because of your numbers), so please pick all 3 hits you want to see done. That leaves 4 players for our first 2 hits: Korynne, OpZ, Falcynn, and myself. If you want to take me off the list too, that leaves Korynne, OpZ, and Falcynn. Please pick 2 of them. Then add Foolishness to the list and pick 1 more player. Apparently Foolishness can't shoot himself. Unfortunate. That said, the two I would like to see take a hit are Korynne and OpZ. Sorry OpZ, I know we are using you a bit. However, do you see what kind of situation we are placed in? You, Korynne, and Falcynn will likely each push for the other 2 to die right now. That leaves the other 3 of us to figure out who to lynch/CompVig. I just don't see Falcynn being able to make the night hit on JeeJee. (I checked his posts and basically all of his posts in the last week have either been here or in a blog about his film. I think his activity levels are at least the same on TL as they are here.) That leaves me with Korynne and OpZ. I'm okay with dealing with you two in either order. However, I'm thinking I want OpZ to go first because of Korynne's CompVig claim. Yes, I realize that OpZ claimed he also went for it and missed, but Korynne claimed first. I think it is more likely that she does not have a role. Meanwhile, with OpZ's newfound interest in the BP role, I think there is a possibility that he has said role. If we want to kill the two, we need to lynch him and shoot her. It can't be the other way around. The only reason I can see for going after Falcynn is in the hopes that he has the Jack role. So I guess I'm advocating this order: OpZ, Korynne, Foolishness. Thoughts citi.zen? Foolishness? | ||
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On May 09 2010 06:20 citi.zen wrote: ## vote OpZ## Could you contribute more on secondary suspects at some point please? It doesn't have to be now, but it has to be before the next day post. Oh, and ##vote OpZ## | ||
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On May 09 2010 11:02 ~OpZ~ wrote: two townies = Vanilla townies. -_- Foolishness, if you're compulsive vig, we can just use you as our lynch. Honestly, this was gives us more time, because no body factored in NO LYNCH as an option for us to use. iirc at least. Last few pages have been confusing as hell. So lets just give ourselves another 12 hours to decide on who to kill. (Been at work, not inactive. Worked 1 -9 EST) No lynch gives the mafia more of a chance to whittle us down and gives us less of a shot at winning this. If we give the mafia more chances to shoot townies, that necessarily gives the town less chances to try to hit the mafia. The mafia will NEVER hit himself. Our shots at least have a CHANCE at hitting the mafia. 5 1 - no lynch 5 1 - mafia hits an innocent, town hits an innocent 3 1 - we get 1 more shot to win this. We can lynch here, we can use the CompVig hit, we can lynch the next day (this is probably the smartest choice because 2 vs. 1 is easier for the town than 3 vs. 1). That is still only 2 kills for the town. I'd rather have the town take 3 shots at winning this. | ||
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On May 09 2010 11:33 citi.zen wrote: I don't know Qatol - if you were really the great town scum-hunter you would have been hit instead of JeeJee last night. After all, JeeJee had gone after Scamp and seemed pretty harmless. Now you are suggesting the mafia will hit me next, because of the all powerful "numbers theory". Then you want to kill Foolishness. So you'd be left with people who don't question you, in a nice end game you can control. Maybe you are town aligned, and you really think the mafia would never think their number selection would be analyzed. Maybe your plan is good. Maybe we should follow it. I am ok with that - right after you flip green. ##Vote Qatol## I'm sorry you feel that way. Why would I have been hit last night? JeeJee was basically confirmed innocent already. You have been trying to get me lynched for 2 game days now. Why should the mafia hit someone when the town will waste a lynch on them on the next day anyways? If it had really been my plan to get rid of people who question me, don't you think I would have offed you sooner? I don't understand how you think I'm playing such a deep game; I guess I am the most amazing player to ever play this game for me to have had the foresight to see this endgame coming. I'll just take your attitude as a compliment. Whatever. I don't believe this change in voting matters anyways. We already reached majority. Unless Ace has changed his voting policy from WAW, your change in vote doesn't change anything. You can try to get me CompVigi'd at night if you wish, but I guarantee to you that it will be a waste. | ||
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I will be on an airplane for most of the day tomorrow, so don't expect to see much of me around here. I'll check in in the morning just to see the situation and vote for the CompVig if necessary. But it is unlikely that I will be back in time for the day post. | ||
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So ## CompVig Falcynn## If citi.zen has a compelling reason to vote for Korynne instead, I'm okay with going for that. Sorry, I'm just running out of time today. I MIGHT be back in time for the day post (I should be back sometime between midnight and 1am EST) but I don't want to gamble with it. | ||
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I think I personally messed up the worst in the early/mid game (like after I got sick and the day or so after I came back from it). Unacceptably poor play during that time frame, and no wonder the mafia decided to keep me alive as a distraction to the town. Town caught SOOOO many breaks this game. Radfield was acting so pro-town the only way I had even a little shot at getting him was through the numbers (because mafia picked 6 1, 8 1, 12 1 - 10 1 makes sense as a mafia number). We are really lucky the mafia used their Day Vigi hit on him. Zona's modkill was big too, though we lost Hobbes who was just as important to the town. JeeJee was totally vouching for him, so he was pretty low on the suspect list. Either way, it was fun. I probably won't play again for a while (defending myself for that long was just exhausting and totally sapped my will to play - that post to citi.zen about being pissed off was 100% serious) but it will fun to see a few of the players from this game develop. There were a few players who played very well. | ||
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On May 11 2010 13:46 Ace wrote: Masons are important in all setups. The ability to talk at night lets you get a read on players away from the thread and probe with no interference allowing you to form circles. I guess it depends on the Mason's own ability to get information but a good Mason is dangerous if Town aligned. I didn't give the town the other version of Mason's that get to choose 1 player to Mason to permanently during the game and getting their alignment because I thought that would be too broken. I seriously considered taking this role before I decided to control the copycat role. Private communication is VERY strong/important in these kinds of games. Oh and thanks Ace and Versatile for hosting this game.  | ||
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On May 11 2010 13:55 Ace wrote: Don't worry, your #s theory was huge. When I read it I was like Mafia still have have the game won, but as the days went by and they kept letting it go along with other shots I started laughing at the irony of them dying because they got the picks they wanted. Mid-Late game wasn't that bad because since town got to breeze early game with no pressure it became a battle of numbers (which sucks for scum). Yeah we basically had it when Zona died. There was just nothing the mafia could do to come back from that. 3 shots to kill 1 mafia with that few players left? Pretty much a lost cause for the mafia. | ||
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That being said, I'm VERY happy he hit me instead of citi.zen. I would have voted Korynne. (The idea was I was trying to make Foolishness and Korynne absolutely CERTAIN which way I would vote. Then if I died, my mafia pick was correct. If the mafia let me live, it was so they could survive the lynch. Definitely a risk, but there were reasons in my mind to vote for each of them.) Obviously, I had total faith in my numbers theory, so if citi.zen was alive, I would have lynched the other one no matter what. | ||
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On May 11 2010 14:01 Ace wrote: @Foolishness: I had this weird argument in my head that town could have been screwed by. Something about "why isn't Foolisness dead yet if he's an innocent CV?" Which means one of the Scum isn't scared to get shot by accident, which means there's a Scum Bulletproof which means Falcynn/Korynne/Qatol/Citizen is lying about having no role. I thought about that too. However, I had a different reason for deciding it was still possible: sheer KP. We were totally missing with our CompVig hits (notice: we didn't hit red with that once all game). The mafia like us whittling down the town quickly because mafia just don't win super long games without someone seriously screwing up. I figured the mafia were just gambling that we would continue to miss with the hit if Foolishness was innocent, though it DID point towards Foolishness being mafia. The only other reason I could think of was that they were worried that he had a medic on him, but that one seemed like a long shot. | ||
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On May 11 2010 14:00 Foolishness wrote: I recall you saying about a month ago that you were planning on hosting a TL mafia game after you were done with finals. Surely Qatol is not a man to go back on his word eh?  Well blame d3/Korynne and Caller for hosting in my time window. Also, my summer school starts on the 18th when I thought it wouldn't start until June. I would only be able to host if the signups closed sometime around the end of the week/ the start of next week because the setup would take a while (I'm planning on doing a clues game the next time I host but those take a decent amount of work on the front end to figure out). | ||
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On May 11 2010 14:44 citi.zen wrote: Yup, I did not roleclaim precisely because I though ambiguity would keep the mafia guessing a bit longer. In truth, I was an idiot and never submitted any picks to Ace. I didn't read the rules, instead assuming everyone got a role and I'd just get what's left from the role list. Interesting things happen when you put pressure on people: some make mistakes, others are very eager to take sides, etc. In general lively conversation is good, and I've never been afraid to stir things up a bit. Your plans always seemed like a mix of genius with something evil, so figured I'd start with you! And Radfield - good job man. Up to that medic protection claim you did better than anyone. Yeah but there is a point where pretty much anyone will slip up at least a little. You were nitpicking pretty small stuff for literally days on end. I was playing as much pro-town as I possibly could and you were still finding little things to yell at me about. On top of that, it felt to me like you were barely reading what I was posting. I agree that conversations are a good thing, but I didn't like your method for provoking it very much. I agree that there were totally loopholes in my plans that I could have been exploiting (like if I were mafia, the numbers theory could have been used to help the mafia instead of hurting them), but I put myself into the spotlight far too readily and I'd like to think I didn't really break down too much. After a while, you are just derailing the thread. | ||
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On May 11 2010 15:02 citi.zen wrote: Agreed - when you are offering a lot it's impossible not to slip here and there. Then again, with good players, these are exactly the sort of things you need to watch out for. You, Ace, Incognito, must always seem pro-town, even if you are red - you chose the way of the Jedi. Someone like L or Caller use the dark side of the force and play a different style altogether - a dose of nonsense is par for the course. On my side though, a big problem this time around was that I did not have enough time to carefully build my arguments / think the big picture through, so I can see how it was frustrating arguing with me. Sorry for that. Hey whatever. You saw that you were being irrational soon enough that we could still win it and just before I gave up and let the town kill me to shut you up. | ||
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