Pick Your Power Mafia! - Page 2

On May 05 2010 08:27 Foolishness wrote:

Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance.

At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered.

I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him.

Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia.

I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day.

And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today.

I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not.

This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this.

That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople.

Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point.

You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night.

We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia).


If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill.


Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right?

On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote:
Foolishness, let me address your post in pieces:

Yay another person trying to "subtly" poke holes in my credibility. Having fun over there with your buddy ~OpZ~?

Agreed. I feel much better about johnnyspazz, but after the day 1 voting fiasco, I don't trust the town to get their act together in time on anyone except sidesprang. I also think there is a decent chance that he is mafia. At the very least, he hasn't been helpful at all. I'm willing to gamble on this one.


Except you have something to contribute. If you took anything other than CompVig, you should have already roleclaimed because then we have a confirmed mafia in the first 3 players.

Fine. I nominate johnnyspazz. We can worry about the higher people on the list later.

Really? You think Bill would lie about taking the inventor role? Here's the thing: If he's innocent, it doesn't help the town for him to lie about his role. It just makes us lynch people around him whether or not we actually have solid reads on them. I would hope that he is smart enough to see that.


Actually, that is wrong. Either you are town and legitimately got roleblocked (telling us there is a mafia roleblocker out there) or you are mafia and did not get roleblocked (telling us that there is no mafia roleblocker out there). I'd like to be able to figure out which of these cases is the truth.


In which case nobody except the mafia will claim to be roleblocked and I'm happy.

I think Amnesia is a useless townie. He's too prominent to be mafia. I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia want to use him as a scapegoat. johnnyspazz > Amnesia


And I think we need to clear the DayVigi from our suspect list. That would be easier if they took their shot.

We can't do anything BUT trust that it did what it was supposed to do at this point. But he really needs to be giving something else out: tracking kits, vet lives, dt kits. I would say meth bombs except I'm still not sure that Cell Phone isn't a detonator.

On May 05 2010 09:01 Qatol wrote:

Really? Then why was his first post afterwards his numbers? But then you aren't exactly clean to me either. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the mafia had 4 of these 5: you, johnnyspazz, foolishness, jeejee, sidesprang

On May 06 2010 04:17 DarthThienAn wrote:
Well the DT kit is a one time thing... I don't know if that applies to ALL inventions though.

On May 06 2010 07:39 Radfield wrote:
I'd like to bring this back to our compvig hit. At this point it seems like everyone who has posts an opinion has said to hit Johnnyspazz. Personally I don't find him all that scummy, so I'd like to propose a possible second target.

At first I was suspicious of Falcynn, but I checked though his history and the main thing that jumped up was that he voted second on the sidesprang lynch, so he seems slightly in the clear.

But you know who does strike me as scummy? Scamp. I'm not familiar with his posting in other games, so this might be the norm, but he has accused just about everyone in this game of being mafia. Lets check out some posts






This one is taken slightly out of context, but still somewhat incriminating. He followed it with:


Finally puts a vote on Sidesprang, AFTER a majority was reached(I think)

So what do we have here, early on he pushes for a quick lynch of either BM or Foolishness, while downplaying the importance of the CopyCat. We now know that the copycat was in mafia hands. He puts a hard or soft FoS on pretty much any active poster he can: BM, Foolishness, Korynne, Falcynn, Qatol and myself.

This is not an open and shut case, but I'd love for a few other people to take a close look at him.

Also I am not yet recommending we switch our compvig vote. Lets stick with Johnnyspazz for now unless more people agree with me on Scamp.

##CompVig Johnnyspazz##

On May 06 2010 07:03 johnnyspazz wrote:

he's just trying to be 100% safe.
if you were mafia-aligned, then you would stack the mafia hit and compvig hit to get past medic protection to kill him. if that is the case, then the item he gives you will end up countering your compvig hit somehow.
if you are town-aligned, then you just use the item to role check someone.

On May 06 2010 10:56 Foolishness wrote:

This

On May 06 2010 10:54 Foolishness wrote:

I think BM has gone back and forth between about 4 people so far for who he thinks is most obviously mafia. Don't worry, it'll blow over in another few hours at the current rate.

On May 06 2010 12:08 citi.zen wrote:

You entire stance on this issue is extremely shaky. First you don't want a gun. Then you are OK with it, but would simply make it bullet-piercing (even though that still allows a medic-protected red to live, presumably). Then you are "ok" with the gun detonating if the attacker hits Bill - yet the whole freaking point of the gun is that it CAN ONLY KILL REDS - so if Bill is town making the gun he should have no need for it to detonate, since IT CAN'T KILL BILL ANYWAY.

This is very shaky reasoning about a very simple matter, totally out of character for you Qatol.

On May 06 2010 12:25 Zona wrote:
I don't think we have the momentum to switch the compvig vote away from johnnyspazz tonight, but still, here are some considerations for the future:

Falcynn doesn't have many posts, and most of his statements are just questions about the game or agreement with plans others have posted. His excuse is that he's working on a film-making contest and thus is busy. The only interesting thing of note is his offer to sacrifice himself so that the alignment cop could use him to determine sanity, but nothing has come of that.

Almost everyone but Foolishness himself now acknowledges that he's the compulsive vig. We'll see tonight whether or not the compulsive vig will follow the town's direction. A lot of his early posts include doubts about the public roleclaims during the phase when most of the town was talking about them. Pretty abrasive too, but he's been like that in previous games. We'll learn more when we see the comp vig results.

Among the players still living Jeejee has few posts. He thinks he knows Hobbes's role as he was unable to get what he picked, and first expected something from it "he sure isn't doing shit with it" but then changed his mind:

"i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see.
atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue."

Actually given this statement I think it's JeeJee's job to keep an eye on Hobbes. And Hobbes should be thinking from his end of things if what JeeJee's saying adds up.

Scamp has been pretty accusative all game. He's noted Falcynn and Qatol as mafia on his "list" and at one point said "Personally, I'm wondering if there's a good reason not to lynch Foolishness right now." But he's also taken a lot of contrary opinions to the town concensus which I think in itself is a good thing, as we should be open to various possibilities and not just focus on one interpretation of things. One interesting thing that occurred earlier in the game is Qatol's insistence that Scamp pick doctor.

Opz hasn't said much recently...neither has Korynne, who was pretty active early on.

On May 06 2010 12:34 Qatol wrote:

The original gun we were talking about could kill innocents. I hadn't thought of a gun that cannot kill innocents until someone else had brought it up. I'm okay with a gun that can't kill townies. Bill still has to give the gun to someone else to use. While it can't shoot him, he is giving it to someone we basically know has KP (though he hasn't acknowledged it). Thus he wants it to be able to detonate if that player shoots him even through other means. This idea also protects him in the future if he happened to give a gun to the mafia because if the mafia hit him, the gun blows up one of their members.

On May 06 2010 12:50 citi.zen wrote:
I actually like JeeJee's pay in this game. First time for everything I guess. Good suggestions on invention, calling BS when he sees it, not bad. Here's a good example on the ongoing invention fiasco, where Qatol seems to keep raising half-baked objections:


Well said, no idea how Qatol missed that one too.

On May 06 2010 12:55 Falcynn wrote:
I'm actually done with the contest, that was on Friday/Saturday, I was only using that reason for why I missed the role claims. My activity here is mostly due to the fact that I usually don't have much to contribute other than agreeing with others =/ In flamewheel's game (mafia XXII) I was criticized for not saying much and was told that even if all I do is agree with others, then at least say so as that appears less scummy and helps the town by knowing where the townies stand.

So even though I usually don't have anything new to add to any discussions, I figured I should at least take the advice from last game and get involved with the discussions, even if all I do is agree with people.

Anyways, I'm going to go ahead and just say (even if it makes me seem scummy) that I agree with lynching BM or calling for him to be CV'd if he makes some other obscure item that goes against what all the other townies have said. The gun that only kills mafia sounds like a great idea, but really, as long as BM invents something that shows he's at least listening to us rather than just taking things in his own hands would do a great deal to make him less suspicious.

Right now, it seems BM is doing a good job (probably not intentionally, but that's beside the point) in dividing the town and distracting us.

On May 06 2010 13:03 Zona wrote:
Actually the more I think about it the more I like the gunpowder detection kit idea. The tracker role is able to see the serial killer when the serial killer goes out on the kill, so there is a way for the serial killer to be detected - as long as functionality doesn't depend on the serial killer's alignment itself. A gunpowder detection kit will detect not based on alignment, but ability to kill - so I'm expecting that it would be able to detect the serial killer's guns.

A gunpowder detection kit - that's what I suggest the inventor invent.

On May 06 2010 19:09 Radfield wrote:
I have been shot at and saved by the medic. Good work medic.

Likely scenario:Foolishness kills Jspazz, Mafia shoot at me, SK kills Bill Murray.

If you think about it, BM was a bigger threat to the SK then anyone else in the game. Considering that the only way the SK can get found is either the tracker or BM's inventions.



Wow, the likelihood of us lynching you for this move was decently high... oh well

On May 06 2010 03:13 Qatol wrote:

I can't believe I missed this earlier. No bombs please. I don't trust that day 1 cell phone not to be a detonator. Please let's just stick with something that prevents hits. We are losing town members too fast. I like the security camera/trip wire idea suggested earlier if ace allows it (prevents the hit and shows you your attacker). Otherwise, just something that turns a player into a veteran would be quite useful.

On May 07 2010 08:18 Qatol wrote:

Fine, I'll bite. I agree that he is suspicious and we need to lynch someone right now.
##Vote: DarThienAn##
Though citi.zen never ceases to amaze me with his ability to come out of nowhere and vote.
I want to try something out tonight.
##CompVig: citi.zen##
This is just a theory, but I think he is the serial killer. Why? Well go back and look at his discussion of inventions. He specifically emphasizes inventions that not only the town, but the SK would also be immune to (immune to alignment checks, guns that can only kill MAFIA not guns that CANNOT KILL INNOCENTS)
Finally, I'm hoping that the SK will work with us tonight (and they very well might if I'm off base on this). In that case, I'd like them to hit either Scamp or JeeJee based on how this lynch comes out.

On May 07 2010 08:48 Radfield wrote:
There is flaw in our plan Qatol. By putting down all these follow up names(Scamp, Citizen, JeeJee) it's likely they just won't vote for Darth. Hobbes has stated he's gone for the night.

That means to get 7 we need Zona, Opz, Falcynn(where did you go????) and Foolishness to all vote in favor of Darth. If Darth IS mafia and one of those 4 are mafia, then they can stop the vote from going through. However, there is the chance that someone may be Floridian too, which could push us over.

I propose that if Scamp, Citizen or JeeJee vote for Darth, then we hold off on voting them off the island. Prove your pro-townness and vote off Darth!

On May 07 2010 08:22 Radfield wrote:
The thing with Foolishness is, it doesn't really matter if he's town or mafia aligned. At some point his CV hits will become a dangerous detriment to the town and we'll have to lynch him just to stay alive. We also have to lynch him before it becomes possible for him and the mafia to make a double hit and gain a huge advantage.

Other than that we keep him alive for the extra kills until we're down to one mafia, then we lynch him. There's just no reason to have a CV with only one mafia around.

On May 07 2010 09:01 Korynne wrote:
Right, it's okay if mafia isn't everyone else's priority in life but I'm the one being the suspect for it. >_>

Most of your posts are like 5min posts, I even went through them again afterwards to make sure. They're mostly like 1-5 lines long and are like conversational rather than analysis. I'm taking my information from zbot so it's not updated with your entire afternoon writing stuff, but I mean given that everyone is accusing you today it would be rather silly to sit back and read and not post long defenses. Though my bad on the explanation on not voting sidesprang, it was in the johnnyspazz long pots so I skimmed and didn't catch it.

On May 07 2010 09:13 Foolishness wrote:

Perhaps I should play like you and make a claim about someone and not back it up with any evidence? And I should also not read the thread, because other people aren't important. Thanks for your input on who we should lynch, really helps us here.

On May 07 2010 10:03 Radfield wrote:



That part wasn't directed at you Opz. I assume you will vote for Darth because it makes sense to you. I don't really suspect you much right now.

The pro-townness part was for those people who I most suspect are mafia.

On May 07 2010 10:05 Radfield wrote:



That's actually not a bad idea, although it really depends on the situation. There may be a time when we simply can't risk him being mafia and getting off a double kill.

On May 07 2010 10:19 Foolishness wrote:
It's not worth my time to respond to you.

On May 07 2010 10:19 Foolishness wrote:
It's not worth my time to respond to you.

On May 07 2010 10:26 Scamp wrote:
Oh never mind. I think I just got crazy double-vote ninja'd.