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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 02 2010 20:59 GMT
#261
BM and Foolishness obviously have very powerful roles. Likely inventor and compvig. We should be doubling up protection on these two, and role + alignment checking them both. Knowing their alignment is obviously essential, and knowing their role may become vital. If it becomes obvious later on that the inventor or compvig is an anti-town player, we need to know which is which, so we don't lynch a pro-town power role accidentally.

Anyone have any issues with this plan?


Also, no one wants to lynch you BM. That would be a terrible move for the town.
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
May 02 2010 21:36 GMT
#262
Why shouldn't we make Bill and Foolishness claim? Should one of them be the CompVig, we lynch him and put that power into Qatol's hands. Our Medic protect can then go on the remaining guy. The Tracker can then follow Qatol on Night 2 and report if he saw two visits from Qatol. I suppose the Mafia can always refuse to use their NK if Qatol's gunning for them.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
May 02 2010 21:39 GMT
#263
-.-

Qatol claims he didn't get copy cat. Next.
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d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
May 02 2010 21:40 GMT
#264
Whoops, I guess I missed that.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
May 02 2010 22:18 GMT
#265
On May 03 2010 05:11 JeeJee wrote:
also note, so far in this thread, the following people have claimed they don't have a role:
korynne - important role (not inv or rb) above him
jonny - silly
caller - silly
falcynn - silly
qatol - copy above him
opz - comp vig above him

i'm wondering why y'all revealed this info, but i imagine some of you are lying as docs or something which also sets up nice mindgames. if you're all telling the truth though then /facepalm

While I was skimming through the thread I noticed this post
On May 02 2010 08:32 Qatol wrote:
*snip*
The non-claimants are:
L's replacement
Falcynn
~Opz~
Amnesia
Scamp

and assumed somehow that Ace might've posted something revealing who hadn't claimed a role yet, so I was explaining why I didn't claim. Afterward I realized that Ace didn't mention anything about who claimed/who didn't, but I can't edit my post obviously so I just left it.

Anyways, is my alignment cop idea really that bad and that's why no one's mentioned it? Or did everyone just miss it?
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
May 02 2010 22:28 GMT
#266
Dude that was numbers not roles =[.
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DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
May 02 2010 22:30 GMT
#267
Also, we only have one cop who would need to figure out his sanity - the role cop and JOAT are auto-sane.

So lynching someone to figure that out is bad imo.
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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
May 02 2010 22:34 GMT
#268
I think it's pretty easy to see that CompVig is much easier to keep track of than the Inventor, if you had to choose between the two. As long as we all vote on who the CompVig kills each night, then the CompVig is basically adding a double lynch to the town, every night starting night 2. If the CompVig does not shoot the person we vote on, we lynch the CompVig, no exceptions (even if he kills a mafia).

Now we can tell the inventor to give someone bulletproof vests or whatever, but it'll be near impossible to know if he's actually going to do it, since he can invent whatever he wants. And it'll be very unlikely we catch him if he's got his own agenda. Say for example, he's giving guns to people and killing more people during the night. He can blame it on the SK or the Jack (and maybe the jack would counterclaim he didn't, but it'd still be messy).

I am not in favor of sacking a person to figure out alignment. First off we don't even know if there even is an alignment cop (it's reasonable to assume there is though). Most importantly, there's only 1 alignment cop in the game. In past mafia games I've seen, when cops didn't know their sanity, plans like this worked well because there'd be multiple cops (3 usually), and they'd all be able to figure out their alignment (or at least get close to it). With only 1 cop, it seems a waste of time to try to agree on someone to lynch in advance.

On May 03 2010 06:36 d3_crescentia wrote:
Why shouldn't we make Bill and Foolishness claim? Should one of them be the CompVig, we lynch him and put that power into Qatol's hands. Our Medic protect can then go on the remaining guy. The Tracker can then follow Qatol on Night 2 and report if he saw two visits from Qatol. I suppose the Mafia can always refuse to use their NK if Qatol's gunning for them.

I think it goes without saying that claiming early always benefits the mafia. Although it's quite easy to read between the lines in this game -_-
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 02 2010 22:46 GMT
#269
Ohhhhh not sure if I mentioned this, but to keep this game even somewhat balanced whatever the inventor invents at night I'll put in the Day post. You'll see the invention but not how it works.

Voting ends in ~4 hours.

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
May 02 2010 23:19 GMT
#270
On May 03 2010 07:30 DarthThienAn wrote:
Also, we only have one cop who would need to figure out his sanity - the role cop and JOAT are auto-sane.

So lynching someone to figure that out is bad imo.
Ah I see, guess I just suck at reading comprehension =/
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
May 02 2010 23:25 GMT
#271
Inventor and Compulsive Vigilante are NOT easy to keep track of. As in, if Foolishness and BM are not said roles but are instead mafia, they can easily pass the roles to someone else and that person will carry out the roles (as town directs them to). We definitely must check them for alignment.

Now looking at it this way, it feels like Qatol's plan was a terrible idea. Dx
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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
May 02 2010 23:34 GMT
#272
On May 03 2010 08:25 Korynne wrote:
Inventor and Compulsive Vigilante are NOT easy to keep track of. As in, if Foolishness and BM are not said roles but are instead mafia, they can easily pass the roles to someone else and that person will carry out the roles (as town directs them to). We definitely must check them for alignment.

Now looking at it this way, it feels like Qatol's plan was a terrible idea. Dx

Did you read my post? How is compulsive vigi not easy to keep track of? If he/she doesn't kill who we vote on, we lynch him. Everyone keeps saying he's deadly in the hands of the mafia but the only way he is is if the town is in a "need to lynch mafia or game is over" scenario (or close to it I guess). Otherwise compulsive vigi is just giving the town a double lynch. Yes, if the compulsive vigi is mafia, we don't have much way of knowing, but there are far worse concerns right now.

Inventor can pretty much do whatever he wants. Qatol wants him to give bulletproof vests to people. I'm all for that. However we only get to know the invention, and not specifically how it works. A clever inventor can think up something which may look beneficial to the town, but could be helping the mafia.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 02 2010 23:59 GMT
#273
Why don't we tell the inventor to give everybody a demo pack. Basically something that gives people the meth dealer's power. We force mafia to hunt down inventor pronto.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
May 03 2010 00:59 GMT
#274
We can\t know if he is the compulsive vigilante. If he doesn't do what town asks, we lynch him. And then find out he's mafia and not the comp vig, so then we still don't know who comp vig is...
TL Mawfyah~ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
May 03 2010 01:33 GMT
#275
i think we as a town should agree on what the invention should be and what it should do. that way we know if the inventor is pro-town or not.
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
[NyC]HoBbes
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States803 Posts
May 03 2010 01:36 GMT
#276
I agree with johnny on this one. Most of the power roles (Compulsive Vig, Inventor, etc.) should be put under the control of the town, since this gives us 2 important things.

1)- It allows the wisdom of the many, and hopefully the wisdom of the not-mafia, to influence these roles, and lessens the chances that they will inadvertently aid the mafia.

2)- it allows us to know immediately if one of these roles is being played by a mafia player, in the case that they do not follow the town's instructions.
Where'er you walk cool gales shall fan the glade
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
May 03 2010 01:39 GMT
#277
Which is great and all except we got to lynch someone right now. If Amnesia doesn't say anything he's getting my vote.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 03 2010 01:40 GMT
#278
d3 is playing too smart

i think he's scum

##fos on d3
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
May 03 2010 02:26 GMT
#279
What we need to do is have a game plan.

Vote on who the compulsive vigilante should kill, forces a mafia CV to play on our terms or look scummy. A doctor can also block this kill if we feel its needed. Many ppl have supported this idea and there is no drawback in using it.

Decide what the inventor should invent, its hard to keep tabs on the inventor but that role is far to powerful to be left completely alone. And since the day post tells us what is invented we can figure out if he is lying. Bulletproof vests sounds awesome, our strength is numbers and reducing hits is a good thing. We should NOT talk about who should get the vests imo as that only makes the mafia not hit that guy.

As for who to lynch is there a vote thread or do we just write it like qatol did ? if so

## vote : Amnesia

if you check his post he made one post right after getting our alignment and one post right after getting our role where he said nothing of worth. Seems like he follows the game but won't say anything. Might not be too fishy but I don't know what else to go after at this point.



Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
May 03 2010 02:33 GMT
#280
Dude by the way guys I'm the inventor!
Frankenstein shall be my first creation~
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