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On April 25 2010 10:17 Abenson wrote:
Alright, I would like to propose a policy: LAL
What does it mean?
Lynch All Liars
This policy is proposed with the mindset that townies have nothing to hide, and that the mafia are the one that needs to conceal something.
How are you even supposed to catch someone in a lie until AFTER you lynch them or get them DT checked? When are you actually going to expect a DT/Medic to publicly claim in this game? And even if Mafia were to claim DT, they have a good chance of getting away with it by picking townies at random to "check."
On April 25 2010 17:31 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Yeah Cresntia, I am inclined to agree. The LAL policy is implied in each game, if you can strait prove someone is lying then you lynch them. 9/10 its a mafia incentive to lie, however proving that in a game with no PMing is nearly impossible.
It seems like you are aiming for activity/discussion so I won't write you off immediately, but please don't fucking go inactive again, activity is so important in an 11 person setup, every person matters role or not.
I am aiming for activity/discussion; I wouldn't have signed up for this game otherwise. Also, I'm sick and thus I have a good amount of free time in the next few days. Also, this time there's no Italian internet to screw me over.
On April 26 2010 02:17 BrownBear wrote:
Lynch all Liars seems to be the best policy to me. Has the game officially started yet, or are we just kinda talking while waiting here?
The game has started. Bill didn't put up a fancy Day 1 post, so... *shrug*. All we need now is [nyc]hobbes to chime in.
On April 26 2010 04:29 XeliN wrote:
crescentia is your vote on Abenson serious and because you actually suspect he might be mafia because of his suggestion or more like a placeholder for now?
A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. It's hard to get a good read on Abenson given past histories - he's played exactly the same way no matter what his alignment was in previous games, and it becomes increasingly difficult to figure that out as the game drags on longer because his posts still wouldn't contain anything to analyze.
On April 26 2010 11:04 Abenson wrote:
People who voted for me:
d3 and Korynne
From what I see (and from my point view), you tried to start a lynch on me, but stopped as everyone else spoke out against it.
Stopped what? Wanting to lynch you? I'm afraid that's patently untrue, as you see that my vote hasn't changed anywhere - though if it did, it wouldn't have done anything to stifle my desire to see you gone. I remain unconvinced that your presence here will be beneficial in the later stages of the game no matter what your alignment turns out to be, and until you prove otherwise my vote stays on you.
Seeing as apparently what I was trying to say was unclear I'll number it.
1) Abenson had 4 votes
2) I saw 2 options, either Abenson would be lynched or there would be No Lynch, at this point in my mind there was no possibility of someone else being lynched as Abenson already had 4 votes on him.
3)I had a choice of voting or waiting, I decided to just go ahead and vote.
I voted Abenson because he was both the only possibly person to be lynched on day 1 and he had shown himself to not be very helpful. I would not have done it had he not already had 4 votes but hey my dream of lynching an inactive or someone randomly was not to be.
In a game this small, a random/inactive lynch is a pretty bad idea. Yes, our chances of hitting Mafia are 2/9 by random lynch anyway, so it's better to try and come to an informed decision anyway. Even if our information is wrong, we can turn back to those that suggested it in the first place and analyze their motivations.
The problem with your reasoning to vote is that it all amounts to "I voted because it was close," which is something that can be easily interpreted either way. My suspicions are split between you and BrownBear right now.
RoL where are YOU, by the way? Activity is so important in a small game like this, just like you said~
On April 28 2010 06:34 johnnyspazz wrote:
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On April 26 2010 09:27 Radfield wrote:
I think most people's mafia sense started tingling after the LAL post. However, I'm going to hold onto my vote for now. Remember it only takes 5 to lynch, and we still have 24hrs to get our votes in. Until we have 9 active posters I still think we need to put pressure on people: Johnnyspazz, Brownbear and (NyC)Hobbes I'm looking at you.
i'm not really sure why mafia killed radfield but this is the only post i could find where he attacks people. i would like brownbear and hobbes to talk about why they voted for abenson.
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On April 27 2010 16:24 XeliN wrote:
I don't see that I have that much explaining to do, the first vote of any game is pretty much a crapshoot and Abenson pretty much outlined that he wasn't not being very useful. I was against them initially rushing to vote for Abenson based almost entirely on his LaL posting but then he carried on being unuseful and providing no defence for himself other than accusing people of being scum.
while this is true, did you truly think abenson was scum when you voted?
in a small game without extra blue roles, lynching is our only way to kill mafia so we don't want to waste lynches. imo, it's better to keep obvious greens alive because it's one more person the mafia have to use a kp on.
It's interesting that you'd bring up Radfield's comment and then try to link it with asking others to justify Abenson's lynch. It's even more interesting that you'd link Abenson with the term "obvious green." Who else would you say is an actual obvious green? Would you call yourself an obvious green, and why?
But hey, if you want to lynch me that's okay. I'll even help you on the way, since it seems like there's nothing in the rules against it. If I'm actually town, the mafia should be jumping with joy to see another townie lynched... but if I'm mafia I'm pretty sure that my own comrade wouldn't vote for me, right? I suppose it all depends on what I flip, and if you're *really* that interested come vote and see.
Thank you so much. Let's get this out of the way, first.
Secondly, your vote DID matter, as there were only 3 votes on Abenson (myself, Korynne, Hobbes) at the time, and yours was the fourth. This is your second critical mistake - misrepresenting your own voting history. On that note, XeliN's vote was the one that decided it, and while I'd be happy to see what color he actually flips I'm fairly certain that you're the better target.
Your last critical mistake - posting an analysis that wasn't really an analysis at all, all so you could have a reason to jump on my bandwagon. Any player with a significant stake in the situation would rush forward to defend themselves vigorously, no matter if s/he was blue OR red (or some green with a massive sense of self-importance). Either your reading comprehension is severely lacking, or that you're deliberately misrepresenting the situation. In any case, it's not something we want to see in a pro-town player.
The other thing about it is that I actually don't care if I die so long as it gets a few reds in the process. You've just shown yourself to be pretty red now, though we'll see if you actually turn out to be scum or just embarrassed. =]
So, care to revise your thoughts, BrownBear?
Xelin, perhaps I should slow down a little bit and iron out the details.
You said that you might or might not have a night action, but my comment was in response to BrownBear incorrectly attributing the statement to me. I could care less whether or not you actually DO have a night action. It bothers me more why you would word things in a way that suggests that you could be blue when it's most beneficial just to lie and say that you're green no matter what your alignment is, unless you're reluctant about lying and end up telling some sort of misty half-truth.
As for BrownBear, I thought that's exactly what I did, highlight where the reasoning is screwy, explain why he's wrong, and place my FoS on him - only this time it actually comes with the vote first, and with a bit harsher language than I usually use. At this point, though, the kiddie gloves need to come off, and we *really* need to start pushing for scum.
It's late; I'm still sick and need to sleep for a good while. Good night.
Johnny, I think you're scum. In fact, I know you're scum. Why do I think this, and how do I know this? Let's start here:
On April 28 2010 11:19 johnnyspazz wrote:
no i wouldn't call myself an obvious green but i would say i'm trying to be pro-town
in my mind abenson was an obvious green and thats why i didn't vote for him. his posts weren't particularly scummy to me. your vote while partially justified also confuses me because all abenson did was bring up an underlying point in all mafia games.
A post that seems fairly innocent enough, though it's beyond me why anyone would call Abenson an 'obvious green.'
Let's move onto here:
On April 28 2010 15:22 johnnyspazz wrote:
Show nested quote +so xelin, why are you making such a big deal over something that's so trivial? d3 thought you had a night action and if you were green, you would just say, "i have no night action" and that would be the end of it. if you were blue, you would still stand by the same statement. now if you were scum, i'm guessing you would also do the same. however, you aren't doing this and it's quite puzzling to me. what harm could possibly come from claiming you have no night action?
On April 28 2010 14:59 XeliN wrote:
Xelin's the one that's actually claimed that said he doesn't have a night action
No, I, Did, Not.
Show nested quote +umm... did you read her post? d3 didn't just say, "brownbear, your analysis sucks." she poked many holes in brownbear's defense and specified exactly what was "wrong" with it. is this a pathetic attempt at trying to get the suspicion off your scum teammate?
On April 28 2010 14:59 XeliN wrote:
However, I agree with you that browns analysis does seem really lacking, but from what I know of you, you would highlight this, explain how how he is wrong in his reasoning and possibly place FoS because of it. Not jump to "Oh i had better lynch BrownBear now".. you really are acting unusually to me and it's making my thoughts that you are mafia all the stronger.
Show nested quote +LaL is only stupid if you use extreme examples to counter it. LaL is how every single mafia game should be played since nine times out of ten, the mafia players are lying. how can anyone say lynching liars is a bad thing? your defense is just plain awful; you make so many bad points. d3 has already pointed some of them out for me.
On April 28 2010 13:51 BrownBear wrote:
I liked the LaL policy at first, but then I thought about it seriously, and yeah, it's pretty dumb.
i wouldn't be surprised if both xelin and brownbear are both scum. right now, all of their posts reek of scum. can we lynch these two already?
Why, thank you for such a fervent defense - even though I didn't actually *ask* for one, nor did I expect one coming from you. I actually find it kind of surprising that you would do so, given that Xelin had just caught me in a pretty compromising situation after having asked him about his night action, and considering *I* started the entire interaction between us.
It fascinates me to no end why BrownBear would decide to jump on my bandwagon with such terrible reasoning, but given his track record so far in his games, I'm actually willing to bet that he's town - given that his whole analysis rested on the fact that he misread how the PM interaction went. What intrigues me *more* is that you would push for him so fervently - case in point:
On April 29 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote:
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On April 29 2010 02:12 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Otherwise, however, my suspicions lie with Johnny. Abenson's mislynch has given you a perfect opportunity to incessantly paint everyone in the game red pretty credibly. You've taken this and run with it in a big way, and your play in general suggest to me mafia in the style of DrH from Incognito's game, in which the mafia takes control of the thread, becoming the most frequent poster and "leading" the town. I don't know about you, it's mainly a feeling, so my vote is with Brownbear for now. Still, I want to make it clear that at least one person is extremely wary of you
hrm i would agree if you if the people i voted for kept flipping green but thanks for the heads up
LETS LYNCH BROWNBEAR ALREADY!
Why, so we can get rid of a townie, have a brief discussion about it, then get one of the town loudmouths killed during the night so suspicion falls back on the people they argued with?
Alright. Last order of business - this curious discussion with Korynne.
On April 28 2010 17:36 johnnyspazz wrote:
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What now? If I vote for one of them you're going to accuse me of being scum because I'll be the 3rd or 4th person to vote for them? Seems like I can't win here with you (and I don't intend to, it's a pretty poor accusation).
i guess choice of words were too strong. i'm not really saying you are scum at all, just saying in my opinion, not voting in this situation seems like scummy behavior. an actual red could just be lurking and waiting for 3 votes onto a green and then cast the decisive vote and skate by with another mislynch. can you see why i thought not voting looked like scummy behavior? there is a lot of information that one could use to cast a vote.
you're right tho, i forgot about your spirit vote on xelin a couple pages back. so i apologize for misinterpreting your actions. i really wasn't accusing you of being scum, only bb and xelin. i hope we're still cool.
Hey, you know what's a perfectly good way to broadcast your scummitude? Commenting on a situation of what a red would do so that you look all the more innocent for not doing it!
I'd prefer that I was hit by a train or found hanging from a lamppost or something.
WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS YO~
Xelin, did you ever check BrownBear's posts in the other thread? Same kind of posting/misreading going on in there. That's when I started to have my doubts about him being mafia, but it wasn't enough to quite shake my read of Korynne being town.
Korynne - gold star to her for this game. Definitely Mafia MVP.
On May 03 2010 06:33 XeliN wrote:
No cresentia thats why I initially was voting for Korynne, I saw how brown was in the other thread and thought that it was quite plausible that he misread the situation that strongly, but then when he PM'd me about the RoL vote I thought it no longer seemed plausible to be genuine misconception as it seemed so illogical...
This game is a testament to the fact you cannot let people get away with inactivity.
In hindsight lynching RoL on Day 2 actually seems to be the best move.
Considering how much backtracking BrownBear was doing in the other thread it really made me wonder. But then again, it wouldn't have really been distinguishable from being a bad mafia-aligned liar anyway. =/
On May 03 2010 06:56 XeliN wrote:
To get cresentia to trust you implicitly shows some very nice play, lynching him turned out to be a large mistake imo although as you said you couldn't have anticipated that.
Likely in part because she was so very town in the other game and I got mixed signals >_>